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google books: billboard "lori lieberman" 1972|1973|1974|1996

.... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 11:30, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tell the reader why she is famous.

@Binksternet:

I wanted to "Tell the reader" who she is, so I will restore without birth records. I saw other pages with Cal Birth Index. I will leave her birth name. gettyimages show touring. killing me softly is her main fame. most bios say born to.... I was surprised no info. So I tried to fill that in 98.248.161.240 (talk) 21:01, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are not going to be successful in this effort. The hard policy of WP:DOB dooms you to failure. Binksternet (talk) 21:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what it looks like is you deleted parents obits , real name and replacement gettyimages

98.248.161.240 (talk) 21:05, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you are not reading, only restoring real name and obits and a list of gettyimages

what is wrong about that?

98.248.161.240 (talk) 21:07, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Binksternet:

someone else added <<external media>> why the delete?

98.248.161.240 (talk) 21:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Binksternet:

hello?

98.248.161.240 (talk) 21:26, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Binksternet:

https://www.discogs.com/artist/841429-Lori-Lieberman

"Lori Ann Lieberman" 98.248.161.240 (talk) 22:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Binksternet:

"crap sourcing"

This is in the LA Times. In two separate obits. They do not say paid article.

"Lori Ann Lieberman"

https://www.discogs.com/artist/841429-Lori-Lieberman

98.248.161.240 (talk) 22:27, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

gettyimages choices for <<external media>> template removed

Favorites ?

98.248.161.240 (talk) 21:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

halfhearteddude

https://halfhearteddude.com/tag/norman-gimbel/

https://halfhearteddude.com/2009/08/killing-me-softly-again/

98.248.161.240 (talk) 21:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 2024 User:Binksternet at User_talk:98.248.161.240

Please stop your disruptive editing.

If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Lori Lieberman, you may be blocked from editing. Per WP:DOB, you cannot use California Birth Index on living persons. Binksternet (talk) 15:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I saw it used on other pages 98.248.161.240 (talk) 20:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"disrupt" is predjudice 98.248.161.240 (talk) 20:47, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you tell me which living person biographies reference the California Birth Index I will go around and remove such references. We had to wait more than a year after death to use that reference at Nipsey Hussle's biography. The person must not be alive, and they must not have died recently. Binksternet (talk) 21:08, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

talk at Talk:Lori Lieberman

where is California Birth Index mentioned in wikipedia:wikipedia ?

98.248.161.240 (talk) 21:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BLPPRIMARY says you can't use public records for birthdate or full name. WP:DOB says we can supply the birthday only if it is widely published. Binksternet (talk) 22:10, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Lori Lieberman. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Binksternet (talk) 21:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In this series of edits, you added the middle name Ann which does not appear in your cited sources. The sources are an obituary of Lori's mom which fails WP:USERG, and a nice write-up by Christine Lavin who is an expert observer, but doesn't give us Lori's full name. Obviously you are still relying upon the California Birth Index without explicitly citing it. Binksternet (talk) 22:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I said this before I made the edits and you did not respond. This is in the LA Times. In two separate obits. They do not say paid article.

"use the article's talk page"

98.248.161.240 (talk) 22:13, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Binksternet:

98.248.161.240 (talk) 22:14, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Binksternet:

https://www.discogs.com/artist/841429-Lori-Lieberman

"Lori Ann Lieberman" 98.248.161.240 (talk) 22:23, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You cannot cite discogs.com per WP:USERG and WP:ALBUMAVOID. Binksternet (talk) 00:10, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

O'Haire, Patricia “A Killer of a Song" New York Daily News

mentioned in

Edgers, Geoff (January 24, 2020). "She sang 'Killing Me Softly' before Roberta Flack. Now she just wants you to hear her side of the story". The Washington Post.

98.248.161.240 (talk) 22:01, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the .jpg

https://web.archive.org/web/20130514165758/http://www.don-mclean.com/i/kill.jpg 98.248.161.240 (talk) 22:02, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Song on airplane

Tell the chain of events?

98.248.161.240 (talk) 23:00, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 :what it looks like is you deleted parents obits , real name and replacement gettyimages
 :[[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240|talk]]) 21:05, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+::you are not reading, only restoring real name and obits and a list of gettyimages
+::what is wrong about that?
+::[[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240|talk]]) 21:07, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+:::{{yo|Binksternet}}
+:::someone else added <<external media>> why the delete?
+:::[[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240|talk]]) 21:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+::::{{yo|Binksternet}}
+::::hello?
+::::[[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240|talk]]) 21:26, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+:::::{{yo|Binksternet}}
+:::::https://www.discogs.com/artist/841429-Lori-Lieberman
+:::::"Lori Ann Lieberman" [[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240|talk]]) 22:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+::::::{{yo|Binksternet}}
+::::::"crap sourcing"
+::::::This is in the LA Times. In two separate obits. They do not say paid article.
+::::::"Lori Ann Lieberman"
+::::::https://www.discogs.com/artist/841429-Lori-Lieberman
+::::::[[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240|talk]]) 22:27, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+== gettyimages choices for <<external media>> template removed ==
+Favorites ?
+* https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/singer-songwriter-lori-lieberman-poses-for-a-capitol-news-photo/153460901
+* https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/singer-songwriter-lori-lieberman-poses-for-a-capitol-news-photo/153460898
+* https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/singer-songwriter-lori-lieberman-poses-for-a-capitol-news-photo/153460899
+* https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/american-singer-and-songwriter-lori-lieberman-posed-in-news-photo/157940661
+* https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/photo-of-american-singer-lori-lieberman-posed-in-1973-news-photo/136921311
+* https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/portrait-of-american-singer-songwriter-lori-lieberman-news-photo/504019456
+* https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/portrait-of-american-singer-songwriter-lori-lieberman-news-photo/504019454
+* https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/portrait-of-lori-lieberman-in-amsterdam-netherlands-on-21-news-photo/108796386
+* https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/portrait-of-lori-lieberman-in-amsterdam-netherlands-on-21-news-photo/108636752
+* https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/portrait-of-lori-lieberman-in-amsterdam-netherlands-on-21-news-photo/108796206
+* https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/singer-songwriter-lori-lieberman-poses-for-a-capitol-news-photo/153460899
+* https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/singer-songwriter-lori-lieberman-poses-for-a-capitol-news-photo/153460901
+* https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/singer-songwriter-lori-lieberman-performs-live-circa-1974-news-photo/153460903
+[[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240|talk]]) 21:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+== halfhearteddude ==
+https://halfhearteddude.com/tag/norman-gimbel/
+https://halfhearteddude.com/2009/08/killing-me-softly-again/
+[[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240|talk]]) 21:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
+== August 2024 [[User:Binksternet]] at [[User_talk:98.248.161.240]]==
+[[File:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Please stop your [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptive editing]].
+* If you are engaged in an article [[Wikipedia:Editing policy|content dispute]] with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the [[:Talk:Lori Lieberman|article's talk page]], and seek [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] page, and ask for independent help at one of the [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution#Ask for help at a relevant noticeboard|relevant noticeboards]].
+* If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents|Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]].
+If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at [[:Lori Lieberman]], you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]. ''Per [[WP:DOB]], you cannot use California Birth Index on living persons.''<!-- Template:uw-disruptive3 --> [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 15:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+:I saw it used on other pages [[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240#top|talk]]) 20:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+::"disrupt" is predjudice [[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240#top|talk]]) 20:47, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+:::If you tell me which living person biographies reference the California Birth Index I will go around and remove such references. We had to wait more than a year after death to use that reference at [[Nipsey Hussle]]'s biography. The person must not be alive, and they must not have died recently. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 21:08, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+::::talk at [[Talk:Lori Lieberman]]
+::::where is '''California Birth Index''' mentioned in wikipedia:wikipedia ?
+::::[[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240#top|talk]]) 21:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+:::::[[WP:BLPPRIMARY]] says you can't use public records for birthdate or full name. [[WP:DOB]] says we can supply the birthday only if it is widely published. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 22:10, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|link=]] You currently appear to be engaged in an [[WP:Edit warring|edit war]]&#32; according to the reverts you have made on [[:Lori Lieberman]]. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to [[Wikipedia:Consensus#In talk pages|collaborate]] with others, to avoid editing [[WP:Disruptive editing|disruptively]], and to [[WP:Consensus|try to reach a consensus]], rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
+Points to note:
+# '''Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;'''
+# '''Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.'''
+If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's [[Help:Talk pages|talk page]] to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an [[WP:Noticeboards|appropriate noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases, it may be appropriate to [[WP:Requests for page protection|request temporary page protection]]. If you engage in an edit war, you '''may be [[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing.''' <!-- Template:uw-ew --> [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 21:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+:In [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Lori_Lieberman&diff=1239840991&oldid=1239793864 this series of edits], you added the middle name Ann which does not appear in your cited sources. The sources are an obituary of Lori's mom which fails [[WP:USERG]], and a nice write-up by [[Christine Lavin]] who is an expert observer, but doesn't give us Lori's full name. Obviously you are still relying upon the California Birth Index without explicitly citing it. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 22:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+::I said this before I made the edits and you did not respond. This is in the LA Times. In two separate obits. They do not say paid article.
+::"use the article's talk page"
+::[[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240#top|talk]]) 22:13, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+:::{{yo|Binksternet}}
+:::[[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240#top|talk]]) 22:14, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+::::{{yo|Binksternet}}
+::::https://www.discogs.com/artist/841429-Lori-Lieberman
+::::"Lori Ann Lieberman" [[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240#top|talk]]) 22:23, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+:::::You cannot cite discogs.com per [[WP:USERG]] and [[WP:ALBUMAVOID]]. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 00:10, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
+== O'Haire, Patricia “A Killer of a Song" New York Daily News ==
+mentioned in
+Edgers, Geoff (January 24, 2020). "She sang 'Killing Me Softly' before Roberta Flack. Now she just wants you to hear her side of the story". The Washington Post.
+[[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240|talk]]) 22:01, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
+:the .jpg
+:https://web.archive.org/web/20130514165758/http://www.don-mclean.com/i/kill.jpg [[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240|talk]]) 22:02, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
+== Song on airplane ==
+Tell the chain of events?
+[[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240|talk]]) 23:00, 12 August 2024 (UTC)