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== Nationality == |
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This field is being discussed at [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#For sportspeople]]. -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] ([[User talk:Beland|talk]]) 03:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:I vote we just eliminate the field from the basketball biography infobox. It’s not used in cases where the birth country is the same anyway. The hullabaloo about it is just another case of overreach from those who desire “one size fits all” across WP subjects and is not worth the hassle. [[User:Rikster2|Rikster2]] ([[User talk:Rikster2|talk]]) 14:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:I've seen the |alt parameter used in several articles including [[Paige Bueckers]]. Should this be added to the template's documentation? Does it work? [[User:Therapyisgood|Therapyisgood]] ([[User talk:Therapyisgood|talk]]) 21:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::On the one hand, people trivially add "French" to [[Joel Embiid]], though his notability is not associated with being Franch. On the other, [[Dominique Wilkins]] was born in France (U.S. military parents), but is American, which would be lost without some field, even if not labelled "Nationality". —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 05:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::This has been resolved (added to the template), thank you. [[User:Therapyisgood|Therapyisgood]] ([[User talk:Therapyisgood|talk]]) 02:18, 17 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:::So? This can all be discussed in the lede/prose of the article. If there is to be controversy about something as straightforward as national team participation then it is more trouble than it is worth [[User:Rikster2|Rikster2]] ([[User talk:Rikster2|talk]]) 15:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Ideally, the lead captures most of the lead. But yeah, drive-by editors mess with infobox fields more than they do prose. So, that's the bright side if it goes. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 17:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Pull BBR WNBA links from Wikidata == |
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== Birth_place — additional usage instructions == |
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This infobox should pull the Basketball Reference links for WNBA players from Wikidata like it does for NBA players. There are still a lot of WNBA players with these links missing. Pulling from Wikidata would be a lot faster than adding them manually. [[User:WikiOriginal-9|<span style="color: blue">'''''~WikiOriginal-9~'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:WikiOriginal-9|<span style="color: blue">'''talk'''</span>]]) 02:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Would there be any objection if I added any of the following text (taken from {{Tl|Infobox person/doc}}) below the existing one line already in the Usage section? |
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:Done. Seems uncontroversial as it's already done for NBA. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 04:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC) |
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* Use the name of the birthplace at the time of birth, e.g.: {{pval|Saigon}} (prior to 1976) or {{pval|Ho Chi Minh City}} (post-1976). |
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* [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons#Do not use flags to indicate locations of birth, residence, or death|Do not use a flag template]], coat of arms, or other icon. |
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* [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#Purpose|Omit unnecessary or redundant details]]. For example, it is not necessary to state: {{!xt|{{pval|New York City, [[New York (state)|New York]], United States}}}} when {{xt|{{pval|New York City, U.S.}}}} conveys essentially the same information more concisely. |
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* Countries should [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#What generally should not be linked|generally not be linked]]. |
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* For subsequent places (of death, etc.) it is not necessary to repeat jurisdictional details or links for the same place name. |
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Thank you! — '''[[User:WildStar|<span style="color:#000000">W<small>ILD</small>S<small>TAR</small></span>]]'''<sup>''[[User talk:WildStar|<span style="color:#808080"><small>TALK</small></span>]]''</sup> 15:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC) |
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== Alignment display of career history == |
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:Seems too prescriptive to add en masse. They should only be added on an as-needed basis. For my own curiosity, is there a previous discussion that establishes consensus for those items that are not linked to a guideline? —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 17:23, 15 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::Sounds reasonable. Added only the one. — '''[[User:WildStar|<span style="color:#000000">W<small>ILD</small>S<small>TAR</small></span>]]'''<sup>''[[User talk:WildStar|<span style="color:#808080"><small>TALK</small></span>]]''</sup> 16:09, 19 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I have reverted your change, because this does not look like consensus of any sort. Sports infoboxes and tables usually list "City, State/Province" for teams or BLPs related to Canada and the United States. – [[User talk:Sbaio|sbaio]] 16:20, 19 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::::'''Oppose bullet 3'''. This infobox uses City, State/Province consistently which mirrors pretty much any roster list or sport bio you see in North America. The rest are fine. [[User:Rikster2|Rikster2]] ([[User talk:Rikster2|talk]]) 16:35, 19 March 2023 (UTC) |
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{{re|Frietjes}} I see that you implemented [[Module:Sports career]] to handle a person's team history. It seems that the display has different alignments: left aligned for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Barnes desktop] and center for [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Barnes mobile]. Can that be made left aligned for both? —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 06:46, 25 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Template Needs To Be Cleaned Up == |
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: [[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]], yes, I have added explicit left alignment. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 14:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::Thanks [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]]. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 15:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== HOF player and coach links == |
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Template should include all parameters. You shouldn't need to add undocumented parameters and the Name of the player should be included within the borders like [[Template:Infobox NFL biography]] uses. [[User:Batgirl-Awsomeness|Batgirl-Awsomeness]] ([[User talk:Batgirl-Awsomeness|talk]]) 22:07, 28 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:Can you please be more specific about the changes you recommend? Also, when I compare [[LeBron James]] and [[Patrick Mahomes]] both have the player name “outside” the border. [[User:Rikster2|Rikster2]] ([[User talk:Rikster2|talk]]) 23:33, 28 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:Oh, I didn't realize that, sorry. Specifically when you add the infobox basketball biography, a good amount of parameters are not automatically generated. You have to add them as undocumented parameters. According to the template page it should have the following categories: |
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:However, most of these parameters are not autogenerated when inserting the template in the visual editor. [[User:Batgirl-Awsomeness|Batgirl-Awsomeness]] ([[User talk:Batgirl-Awsomeness|talk]]) 00:44, 29 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::For the name thing, I was thinking about the [[Template:Infobox baseball biography]] , I just mixed up the sport. [[User:Batgirl-Awsomeness|Batgirl-Awsomeness]] ([[User talk:Batgirl-Awsomeness|talk]]) 00:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::I don't use visual editor. Can you provide an example of a few fields that are not autogenerated? —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 04:23, 29 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Ok. I'll just list most of them to make things easier. |
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:::[[User:Batgirl-Awsomeness|Batgirl-Awsomeness]] ([[User talk:Batgirl-Awsomeness|talk]]) 04:48, 29 March 2023 (UTC) |
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Is there a really a difference between being inducted into the Hall of Fame as a player or coach? If not, then the labels have no reason to exist at all. ~ [[User:Dissident93|<b style="color: #660000;">''Dissident93''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Dissident93|<b style="color: #D18719;">''talk''</b>]])</sup> 21:58, 13 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Template-protected edit request on 30 May 2023 == |
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:I guess it's more for a person who had multiple roles to distinguish how they made the HOF e.g. [[Phil Jackson]] was inducted as a coach, not a player. I'd be okay to remove the distinction, and leave the details for the body. Considering the ibx was never extended to have [[Jerry West]] show his individual contributor induction or Olympic team induction, it's anyways incomplete. And the current design with [[Lenny Wilkens]] is a waste of space to repeat the same URL link. I don't think any other sports ibx makes the distinction either. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 05:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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{{edit template-protected|Template:Infobox basketball biography|answered=yes}} |
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::Also for Wilkins, why have "Inducted in 2006" for college HOF, but not for basketball HOF. Suggest tightening and remove for consistency. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 05:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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In two places the template uses <nowiki>[[Undrafted sportsperson|Undrafted]]</nowiki>, creating a line such as "[[NBA draft]] [[2006 NBA draft]] / [[Undrafted sportsperson|Undrafted]]", which would be more stylistically correct as "[[NBA draft]] [[2006 NBA draft]] / [[Undrafted sportsperson|undrafted]]" without the capitalization. |
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:::If the labels don't need to be listed, then we should just be using {{para|HOF}} and remove {{para|HOF_player}} and {{para|HOF_coach}}. ~ [[User:Dissident93|<b style="color: #660000;">''Dissident93''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Dissident93|<b style="color: #D18719;">''talk''</b>]])</sup> 14:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Actually, there are differences between the two which can be seen with Bill Sharman's [https://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/bill-sharman playing] and [https://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/bill-sharman1 coaching] links. So while the two templates ''do'' serve a purpose, I still think we should either just use a single HOF parameter or merge {{para|HOF_player}} to {{para|HOF}} and keep {{para|HOF_coach}} in the cases that warrant it like Bill Sharman. ~ [[User:Dissident93|<b style="color: #660000;">''Dissident93''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Dissident93|<b style="color: #D18719;">''talk''</b>]])</sup> 21:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::I can add in some logic where if the two parameter values are the same it only outputs one line, if that would make everyone happier. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 21:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::Isn't that how the current formatting is handled? The issue remains with [[Bill Sharman]] as both values ([https://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/bill-sharman bill-sharman] and [https://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/bill-sharman1 bill-sharman1]) link to valid, but different pages. ~ [[User:Dissident93|<b style="color: #660000;">''Dissident93''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Dissident93|<b style="color: #D18719;">''talk''</b>]])</sup> 21:29, 18 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::No, currently if all three parameters were given, all three lines would show. This is fine for Sharman, but for someone like Wilkens it leads to repetition. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 21:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::In cases like that yes. ~ [[User:Dissident93|<b style="color: #660000;">''Dissident93''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Dissident93|<b style="color: #D18719;">''talk''</b>]])</sup> 21:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::::[[:Category:Pages using infobox basketball biography with duplicate hall of fame parameters|Tracking category]] set up, currently only 3 players with duplicate HOF links but it will take some time to populate. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 14:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::It seems that Wilkens also has separate [https://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/lenny-wilkens/ player] and [https://www.hoophall.com/hall-of-famers/lenny-wilkens1/ coach] pages. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 15:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== NBA.com == |
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So, in both places, change <nowiki>[[Undrafted sportsperson|Undrafted]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[Undrafted sportsperson|undrafted]]</nowiki>. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 17:46, 30 May 2023 (UTC) |
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Is there any reason to use both NBA.com and [[Basketball Reference]] for stats? Also, nether link works for players that never played in the NBA like [[Oscar Schmidt]] but the BR link still shows as the infobox is calling [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2685 Basketball Reference NBA player ID] from Wikidata when local values set aren't set, so how could this be handled? ~ [[User:Dissident93|<b style="color: #660000;">''Dissident93''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Dissident93|<b style="color: #D18719;">''talk''</b>]])</sup> 21:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{complete2}}. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I. Ellsworth</span>]]''''' , [[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]] [[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'er there</sup>]] <small>18:40, 30 May 2023 (UTC)</small> |
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:The sites have slight variations in what they present and how. I don't think we should have a [[WP:LINKFARM]], but two isn't excessive. Re: Schmidt, the Basketball Reference link goes to https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/schmios01.html, which is a working—albeit (currently) mininal—page. Basketball Reference is evolving beyond the NBA, so the Wikidata description of "Basketball Reference NBA player ID" is no longer entirely accurate. Perhaps the site will eventually not have [https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/oscar-schmidt-1.html a separate international page] for him. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 15:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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Thanks. Maybe someone will want to discuss. Other cases worth discussing look like: "1958 / Pick: Territorial" and "1960 / Round: 5 / Pick: 39th overall". It's not clear why so many things are capitalized. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 21:45, 30 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::True, but that still doesn't solve the issue of having stat profiles listed with no stats actually provided. The NBA.com and BR links would at least look better on a single line (if both exist). And on a related note, would it be worth renaming the Medals section to "International" and include the international stats page there? ~ [[User:Dissident93|<b style="color: #660000;">''Dissident93''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Dissident93|<b style="color: #D18719;">''talk''</b>]])</sup> 15:57, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:This really isn't a recommended slash use per [[MOS:SLASH]] either, and it's not like it's a common domain format like a baseball [[slash line]]. Perhaps we move to something like "1958: territorial pick", "1960: 5th round, 39th overall pick".—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 10:33, 1 June 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I never liked "international", because it's ambiguous whether it means playing for a national team or playing professionally away from one's home country. Most NBA bios have a section named "National team career" in prose (e.g. {{section link|LeBron_James#National_team_career}}), if relevant. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 16:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::{{tq|True, but that still doesn't solve the issue of having stat profiles listed with no stats actually provided|q=yes}}: Perhaps, but we're just blindly providing the link because it's in Wikidata. What's the alternative? FWIW, the Schmidt page does have "More Oscar Schmidt pages at Sports Reference" at the bottom. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 16:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{small|Note: Notificiation of this discussion was left at [[WT:BASKETBALL]] and [[WT:NBA]].—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 10:38, 1 June 2023 (UTC)}} |
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::::It can be suppressed locally on his page if deemed unnecessary. I'm not that knowledgeable about the history of basketball, but I can't imagine there are many other cases like this anyway. ~ [[User:Dissident93|<b style="color: #660000;">''Dissident93''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Dissident93|<b style="color: #D18719;">''talk''</b>]])</sup> 17:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::I second Bagumba's suggestion. So far nobody else seems to care. Someone who is good at templates can give it a try, or compose an edit request. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 04:50, 10 June 2023 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|Paine Ellsworth|Bagumba}} one of you want to move this forward? [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 04:51, 10 June 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Done. Slashes removed. —[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 07:09, 20 June 2023 (UTC) |
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== Draft == |
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Is there a reason why this is formatted differently? American football and ice hockey infoboxes don't format the draft this way. [[User:Howard the Duck|Howard the Duck]] ([[User talk:Howard the Duck|talk]]) 14:30, 1 October 2023 (UTC) |
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Nationality
[edit]This field is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#For sportspeople. -- Beland (talk) 03:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I vote we just eliminate the field from the basketball biography infobox. It’s not used in cases where the birth country is the same anyway. The hullabaloo about it is just another case of overreach from those who desire “one size fits all” across WP subjects and is not worth the hassle. Rikster2 (talk) 14:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- On the one hand, people trivially add "French" to Joel Embiid, though his notability is not associated with being Franch. On the other, Dominique Wilkins was born in France (U.S. military parents), but is American, which would be lost without some field, even if not labelled "Nationality". —Bagumba (talk) 05:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- So? This can all be discussed in the lede/prose of the article. If there is to be controversy about something as straightforward as national team participation then it is more trouble than it is worth Rikster2 (talk) 15:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ideally, the lead captures most of the lead. But yeah, drive-by editors mess with infobox fields more than they do prose. So, that's the bright side if it goes. —Bagumba (talk) 17:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- So? This can all be discussed in the lede/prose of the article. If there is to be controversy about something as straightforward as national team participation then it is more trouble than it is worth Rikster2 (talk) 15:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- On the one hand, people trivially add "French" to Joel Embiid, though his notability is not associated with being Franch. On the other, Dominique Wilkins was born in France (U.S. military parents), but is American, which would be lost without some field, even if not labelled "Nationality". —Bagumba (talk) 05:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Pull BBR WNBA links from Wikidata
[edit]This infobox should pull the Basketball Reference links for WNBA players from Wikidata like it does for NBA players. There are still a lot of WNBA players with these links missing. Pulling from Wikidata would be a lot faster than adding them manually. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Seems uncontroversial as it's already done for NBA. —Bagumba (talk) 04:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Alignment display of career history
[edit]@Frietjes: I see that you implemented Module:Sports career to handle a person's team history. It seems that the display has different alignments: left aligned for desktop and center for mobile. Can that be made left aligned for both? —Bagumba (talk) 06:46, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Bagumba, yes, I have added explicit left alignment. Frietjes (talk) 14:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Frietjes. —Bagumba (talk) 15:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
HOF player and coach links
[edit]Is there a really a difference between being inducted into the Hall of Fame as a player or coach? If not, then the labels have no reason to exist at all. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:58, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- I guess it's more for a person who had multiple roles to distinguish how they made the HOF e.g. Phil Jackson was inducted as a coach, not a player. I'd be okay to remove the distinction, and leave the details for the body. Considering the ibx was never extended to have Jerry West show his individual contributor induction or Olympic team induction, it's anyways incomplete. And the current design with Lenny Wilkens is a waste of space to repeat the same URL link. I don't think any other sports ibx makes the distinction either. —Bagumba (talk) 05:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Also for Wilkins, why have "Inducted in 2006" for college HOF, but not for basketball HOF. Suggest tightening and remove for consistency. —Bagumba (talk) 05:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- If the labels don't need to be listed, then we should just be using
|HOF=and remove|HOF_player=and|HOF_coach=. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 14:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC)- Actually, there are differences between the two which can be seen with Bill Sharman's playing and coaching links. So while the two templates do serve a purpose, I still think we should either just use a single HOF parameter or merge
|HOF_player=to|HOF=and keep|HOF_coach=in the cases that warrant it like Bill Sharman. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)- I can add in some logic where if the two parameter values are the same it only outputs one line, if that would make everyone happier. Primefac (talk) 21:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't that how the current formatting is handled? The issue remains with Bill Sharman as both values (bill-sharman and bill-sharman1) link to valid, but different pages. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:29, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- No, currently if all three parameters were given, all three lines would show. This is fine for Sharman, but for someone like Wilkens it leads to repetition. Primefac (talk) 21:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- In cases like that yes. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Tracking category set up, currently only 3 players with duplicate HOF links but it will take some time to populate. Primefac (talk) 14:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- It seems that Wilkens also has separate player and coach pages. —Bagumba (talk) 15:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- In cases like that yes. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- No, currently if all three parameters were given, all three lines would show. This is fine for Sharman, but for someone like Wilkens it leads to repetition. Primefac (talk) 21:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't that how the current formatting is handled? The issue remains with Bill Sharman as both values (bill-sharman and bill-sharman1) link to valid, but different pages. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:29, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I can add in some logic where if the two parameter values are the same it only outputs one line, if that would make everyone happier. Primefac (talk) 21:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, there are differences between the two which can be seen with Bill Sharman's playing and coaching links. So while the two templates do serve a purpose, I still think we should either just use a single HOF parameter or merge
- If the labels don't need to be listed, then we should just be using
- Also for Wilkins, why have "Inducted in 2006" for college HOF, but not for basketball HOF. Suggest tightening and remove for consistency. —Bagumba (talk) 05:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
NBA.com
[edit]Is there any reason to use both NBA.com and Basketball Reference for stats? Also, nether link works for players that never played in the NBA like Oscar Schmidt but the BR link still shows as the infobox is calling Basketball Reference NBA player ID from Wikidata when local values set aren't set, so how could this be handled? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- The sites have slight variations in what they present and how. I don't think we should have a WP:LINKFARM, but two isn't excessive. Re: Schmidt, the Basketball Reference link goes to https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/schmios01.html, which is a working—albeit (currently) mininal—page. Basketball Reference is evolving beyond the NBA, so the Wikidata description of "Basketball Reference NBA player ID" is no longer entirely accurate. Perhaps the site will eventually not have a separate international page for him. —Bagumba (talk) 15:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- True, but that still doesn't solve the issue of having stat profiles listed with no stats actually provided. The NBA.com and BR links would at least look better on a single line (if both exist). And on a related note, would it be worth renaming the Medals section to "International" and include the international stats page there? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 15:57, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- I never liked "international", because it's ambiguous whether it means playing for a national team or playing professionally away from one's home country. Most NBA bios have a section named "National team career" in prose (e.g. LeBron James § National team career), if relevant. —Bagumba (talk) 16:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
True, but that still doesn't solve the issue of having stat profiles listed with no stats actually provided
: Perhaps, but we're just blindly providing the link because it's in Wikidata. What's the alternative? FWIW, the Schmidt page does have "More Oscar Schmidt pages at Sports Reference" at the bottom. —Bagumba (talk) 16:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)- It can be suppressed locally on his page if deemed unnecessary. I'm not that knowledgeable about the history of basketball, but I can't imagine there are many other cases like this anyway. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 17:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- True, but that still doesn't solve the issue of having stat profiles listed with no stats actually provided. The NBA.com and BR links would at least look better on a single line (if both exist). And on a related note, would it be worth renaming the Medals section to "International" and include the international stats page there? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 15:57, 19 November 2024 (UTC)