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New Zealand

1874 Waitemata by-elections

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Original BLAR was contested. All the sources in the article are primary and I cannot find any secondary sources.

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics and New Zealand. Traumnovelle (talk) 10:02, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you explain what you mean by the sources being "primary"? They are secondary sources in my eyes. ―Panamitsu (talk) 10:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NEWSPRIMARY. News reports are primary sources in most cases. Traumnovelle (talk) 18:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:13, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Suggesting that by-elections to the New Zealand Parliament, or the House of Representatives as it was called back then, are not notable is time-wasting behaviour bordering on being disruptive. Schwede 66 23:48, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Elections to the New Zealand Parliament are clearly notable. Paora (talk) 09:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly notable and sufficiently sourced. Number 5 7 11:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miz Ima Starr

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WP:BLP of a cabaret performer, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for performers. As always, people are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show certain specific markers of achievement sourced to a WP:GNG-worthy depth and volume of third-party coverage in reliable sources -- but the only notability claim in evidence here is that Miz Ima Starr exists, and the article is referenced almost entirely to event calendar listings and the self-published websites of venues where she's performed, which aren't support for notability. The only potentially decent source is one newspaper article that is paywalled even in the Wayback Machine archiving link (meaning I can't actually read it to determine if it supports a meaningful notability claim or not), and isn't enough to singlehandedly vault her over GNG all by itself if it's the only GNG-worthy source she's got.
I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with better access to archived Australian and New Zealand media than I've got can find enough proper GNG-worthy coverage to salvage it, but nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have better referencing than this. Bearcat (talk) 16:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Australia, and New Zealand. Bearcat (talk) 16:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you, @Bearcat, that as it stands, it doesn't meet the GNG with reliable and accessible sources.

I had a look at the NZ media and I have found one piece in the PastPaper archive, I haven't been successful finding anything through the NZHerald or Stuff. I have found a passing mention to the Australia's Got Talent semi-finals in a journal article in the European Journal of Cultural Studies here, and a couple of other articles from the Australian Arts Review, Star Observer, and an interview with Joy Media, that I don't see currently referenced in the article. There is also some archival media coverage that I cannot access, such as this. Lastly, there is an IMDB page that has the films produced/directed - although I believe this is a disputed use of this source on Wikipedia, so might be best avoided.

I am not sure whether this will be enough to meet GNG but I am happy to contribute to rewriting and adding these references, if that would help it meet it. Ewhite31 (talk) 12:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete none of the references appear to be secondary and provide significant coverage.

I did find one reference that provides that but I don't believe it is reliable enough for a BLP. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Likely PROMO or COI. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 10:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1999–2000 New Zealand Figure Skating Championships

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I am also nominating the following related pages:

Non-notable figure skating competition. Recommend deletion or redirect to New Zealand Figure Skating Championships. I will attach all subsequent competitions in this series shortly. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports, Skating, and New Zealand. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is my problem with these stand-alone articles. All four disciplines are often not contested. There are often not enough competitors to award a bronze medal, and in some cases, even a silver medal. Many of these competitions featured no more than two or three participants. And most of the competitors who are listed are redlinked or unlinked (ie. themselves not notable). The competition results and scores are included (or should be included) on a skaters' individual article. The medal results are included on the parent article (in this case, New Zealand Figure Skating Championships). But these nations with small national championships are just not worth trying to maintain individual articles for each competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect all Not understanding why the nom could've just done this instead of having these articles stuck for a week in limbo outside of airing grievances about tropical nations having figure skating competitions despite not being in a position to medal in the worlds/Olympics. Nate • (chatter) 23:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Toadspike [Talk] 11:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Craig Ross (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:19, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This from Stuff is clear sigcov. Further coverage from the Dominion Post and again in same indicate he's of at least regional notability. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 11:39, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Darts, and New Zealand. Shellwood (talk) 13:23, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As above from Ser!, there is significant coverage in local media, and I have edited the article to include these references plus one other I found. Ewhite31 (talk) 10:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, appears SPORTBASIC is met.Canary757 (talk) 18:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Weet-Bix#Weet-Bix cards. El Beeblerino ^{if you're not into the whole brevity thing} 22:41, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weet-Bix cards

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Not one independent RS is in the article. Searching only turns up trivial mentions in RS without anything usable in an article. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Products and New Zealand. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 23:34, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I‘m not sure what is meant by RS but I have carefully assembled the albums and card lists from my own set. What is the reason for wanting to delete this page? A lot of NZ collectors use this. Tewheke (talk) 08:08, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RS means reliable source (WP:RS). You may want to read through WP:OR and WP:NOT. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:40, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as WP:FANCRUFT. Nothing wrong with having a collection of trading cards available for all to see but unless there are significant secondary sources accompanying the content, Wikipedia is not the venue for that. Ajf773 (talk) 09:12, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as this is clearly not an appropriate subject for Wikipedia. This would be better hosted somewhere like a private blog. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 01:07, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge consider instead a merge or expansion with the main article Weet-Bix#Weet-Bix cards section once enough Reliable Sources has been filled in, since its a related to a historically notable product after all.Villkomoses (talk) 14:24, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dratify worthy subject but the article just isn't there now. Go back and work on it and see if you can get it to a point where it can justify its place here. Otherwise, sadly will have to go. MaskedSinger (talk) 17:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:25, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Weet-Bix#Weet-Bix cards - Since the subject is already covered on the parent article, a Redirect would be the preferred WP:ATD here. As the small bit of information included in this article outside of the list of cards is already included at the target, including the sources, no Merge is necessary. Rorshacma (talk) 16:40, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Weet-Bix#Weet-Bix cards is a sensible AtD. Sources inadequate to pass GNG as except for the Howieson & Marsden source they are non-independent, database/catalogue and a blog. Rupples (talk) 18:22, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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