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Jimmy Carter Romania and Bulgaria both become full members of the Schengen Area. In New Orleans, an attacker rams a truck into a crowd and opens fire, killing at least 14 people and injuring 35 others. Former president of the United States and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Jimmy Carter (pictured) dies at the age of 100. Jeju Air Flight 2216 crashes at Muan International Airport, South Korea, killing 179 people. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Richard Parsons Paul Abine Ayah Bill Bergey M. T. Vasudevan Nair Helmut Schlesinger Michael Burkard view — page history — related changes — edit

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January 3

Portal:Current events/2025 January 3

January 3, 2025 (2025-01-03) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war East Aleppo offensive The clashes, prolonged since the fall of the Assad regime, between the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces and the Turkish-backed Syrian National Army escalate in the south-east of Manbij District, Aleppo Governorate, and the frontline of Tishrin Dam in Syria, increasing the death toll of both combatants and civilians. (SOHR) Red Sea crisis The Israeli Defense Forces report the interception of a missile and a drone launched from Yemen. (France 24) Business and economy Iron and steel industry in the United States U.S. President Joe Biden blocked a buyout bid by Japanese Nippon Steel for U.S. Steel. (BBC News) International relations Egypt–Syria relations Egypt bans the entry of Syrians from all countries worldwide, except for those holding temporary residency permits for non-tourism purposes. The ban also includes Syrians married to Egyptians unless they obtain security clearance. (Al Arabiya) Germany–Syria relations, France–Syria relations Germany's Annalena Baerbock and France's Jean-Noël Barrot become the first European Union Foreign Ministers to travel to Damascus after the fall of Assad to discuss a new political beginning with the Syrian Transitional Government and Syrian civil society. (Der Spiegel) (France 24) Law and crime 2024 South Korean martial law crisis Yoon Suk Yeol residence standoff Corruption investigators and prosecutors raid the central Seoul residence of recently-impeached South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol to arrest him for refusing to appear to three court summons. The raid is unsuccessful due to the Presidential Security Service blocking further entrance, leading to a multi-hour standoff. (The Guardian) The Syrian government arrests Aws Salloum, known as the "Angel of Death" of Sednaya Prison, accused of committing numerous acts of murder and torture against prisoners, including Mazen al-Hamada, who had previously spoken about this same jailer. (Monte Carlo Doualiya) A suspect is arrested in Rotterdam, Netherlands, for randomly shooting and killing three men between December 21 and yesterday. (The Sun) Politics and elections The 119th United States Congress meets for the first time in Washington, D.C. (CBS News) The United States House of Representatives, comprised of 219 Republicans and 215 Democrats, votes to select a new House Speaker between incumbent Speaker Mike Johnson and incumbent House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, with any candidate requiring at least 218 votes to be confirmed. (CBS News)

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RD: Britt Allcroft

Article: Britt Allcroft (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Evening Standard
Credits:

• Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
• Created by 66.185.84.206 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TheStarSwitcher (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Date death announced. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 16:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Devastating eruption located

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Article: Zavaritski Caldera (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The site of the volcanic eruption (pictured) which caused blue suns and global famine has been identified. (Post)
News source(s): AAAS, Jerusalem Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Wtmitchell (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A long-standing mystery has been solved. There's still work to do on expanding the article and updating related topics such as Graham Island and Little Ice Age volcanism. Those who measure significance by deaths should note that the resulting famines such as the Tenpō famine caused hundreds of thousands of deaths. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose the blurb: Average reader would not understand what is this even about, at least in first few glances. Blue suns? Should be wikilinked, googling it gives weird things. Which global famine(s)? Too vague. If it is about some 1831 global climate catastrophe, does Wikipedia have an article about or related to it? Googling 'Zavaritski Caldera' on news tab currently only serves one news item by daily mail. It should first be reported by few major general news media outlets so that we may 'it is in news'. I don't say it is not interesting, but very confusing. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 11:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

The meteorological use of Blue sun doesn't have an article, but it probably could, there's enough material out there i.e. [1]. Meanwhile, the article is a stub and I don't see it significantly in the news at the moment. Black Kite (talk) 12:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I was working on getting this started but got an edit conflict. Will leave it for now but my impression is that there's lots of work to be done around this. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose: the article is still a stub, and the blurb is not clear for non-initiated readers. Cambalachero (talk) 13:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Using the Little Ice Age article as a reference, there's multiple volcanic events that contributed to the changing climate from 1600-1900, and while discovering one of the sources is of scientific interest, this is not as key a breakthrough as the blurb seems to want to suggest. --Masem (t) 13:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose due to target article length/overall quality and a far too vague blurb for the average reader. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 13:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is a proposed (unconfirmed) interpretation of an event that happened in 1831. It's a mildly interesting result but has no major impact. I don't think this reaches the level of significance or broad interest that would merit an ITN blurb. In addition, the article is a stub with a single reference. We don't seem to have any article about the 1831 atmospheric phenomena, just a single bullet point in Little_Ice_Age_volcanism#1809–1831 - an indication that the event wasn't particularly influential or historically significant. Modest Genius ^talk 14:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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RD: Tariana Turia

Article: Tariana Turia (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RNZ, The NZ Herald
Credits:

• Nominated by MtPenguinMonster (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Co-founder of Te Pāti Māori MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support: Reference 32 is a dead raw link, but other than that I don't see any problems (and it's a minor detail that shouldn't stop the article) Cambalachero (talk) 13:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support looks good to me. A giant in NZ politics for sure. Ornithoptera (talk) 17:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Satis. Grimes2 (talk) 18:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

January 2

Portal:Current events/2025 January 2

January 2, 2025 (2025-01-02) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war 2024 Israeli invasion of Syria Israeli warplanes carry out airstrikes on defense factories and a research center in Al-Safira, Aleppo Governorate, Syria. (Xinhua) US intervention in the Syrian civil war According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, U.S. forces are deploying a new convoy to areas controlled by the Syrian Democratic Forces in Kobani, Aleppo Governorate, as part of operations to establish a new US military base in north-eastern Syria. (SOHR) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Eleven people are killed, including a Hamas police chief, in an Israeli airstrike on a refugee camp in al-Mawasi in the Gaza Strip. (BBC News) Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office announces that it has approved a delegation to Doha, Qatar for ceasefire talks. (Reuters) War in Somalia, War against the Islamic State Puntland military offensives into ISIS Puntland forces conduct airstrikes on ISIL hideouts in Bari, Puntland, Somalia, after they announced a military offensive against ISIL and Al-Shabaab. (Idil News) (VOA) 2025 New Orleans truck attack, 2025 Las Vegas Trump Hotel bombing Christopher Raia, the deputy assistant director of the FBI's counterterrorism division, says he believes that there is "no definitive link" between the two alleged U.S. Army servicemen perpetrators of the attacks, Shamsud-Din Jabbar in New Orleans and Matthew Alan Livelsberger in Las Vegas. (BBC) Business and economy German economic crisis The Handelsblatt Research Institute reports that the German economy is in its "greatest crisis in post-war history" after projecting that the economy will enter its third year of recession in 2025 with a 0.1% contraction, following a 0.3% contraction in both 2023 and 2024. (TVP World) Disasters and accidents 2025 Fullerton plane crash A small plane crashes through the roof of a commercial warehouse in Fullerton, California, United States, causing a fire, killing two people and injuring at least 18 others. (KABC-TV) (AP) Two officers were injured in an explosion of an unknown object at a police fence in Berlin-Wittenau; the reasons for this are still unclear. (tagesschau) International relations Syria–Ukraine relations Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy says that Ukraine will pledge support to the Syrian transitional government. (The Press Democrat) Politics and elections 2024 Venezuelan political crisis The government of Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro offers a US$100,000 reward for the capture of exiled opposition leader Edmundo González Urrutia, who claims that he is ready to take office as the legitimate president on January 10. (El Universal) (El País) Ecuadorian president Daniel Noboa decrees the suspension of his vice president Verónica Abad accusing her of contempt, and the handover of her functions to national planning secretary Sariha Moya. Noboa already appointed Moya to replace Abad in November 2024, but a constitutional judge reversed the decree in December. (Swiss Info) The Parliament of Ghana prevents a potential government shutdown by approving a provisional budget of ₵68.1 billion ($4.65 billion) to fund government operations through March, amid a transition to John Mahama's presidency. (Reuters) The Constitutional Court of Indonesia rules that the 20% electoral threshold for political parties to nominate a presidential candidate is not legally binding, potentially enabling smaller parties to participate in future presidential elections without the need to form coalition with larger parties. (Reuters) Science and technology 2025 in paleontology, Dinosaurs of the British Isles, Fossil tracks The largest site of dinosaur footprints of the Cetiosaurus and Megalosaurus dating back to the Middle Jurassic Bathonian stage 166 million years ago is discovered at a quarry in Oxfordshire, England, United Kingdom. (BBC News)

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RD: Rosita Missoni

Article: Rosita Missoni (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Italian knitwear designer. With her husband Ottavio Missoni, she co-founded Italian luxury fashion house Missoni. Death reported 2 January. Thriley (talk) 19:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Way too short to be posted to the Main Page. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 22:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose: Article is still a stub. It also merely says that she died, but not the causes of death or any reactions to it. Cambalachero (talk) 13:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Ján Zachara

Article: Ján Zachara (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): "Vo veku 96 rokov zomrel bývalý slovenský boxer a olympijský víťaz Ján Zachara". Denník N (in Slovak). 2 January 2025. "Legendary boxer Ján Zachara passed away". rtvs.sk. Retrieved 2025-01-02.
Credits:

• Nominated by Di (they-them) (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 1952 Olympic gold medalist, died on the same day as another 1952 gold medalist (Ágnes Keleti) Di (they-them) (talk) 16:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Current page size is 1427 B (243 words), generally still barely considered a WP:STUB.—Bagumba (talk) 18:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose: Article is very short, and does not mention the causes of death. Cambalachero (talk) 14:01, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Ágnes Keleti

Article: Ágnes Keleti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): blikk portfolio hvg
Credits:

• Nominated by 94.44.118.57 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The oldest living Olympian in history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.44.118.57 (talk) 07:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Second and and third citation above from Spworld2 (talk · contribs)'s duplicate nomination. His comment was

Ágnes Keleti has died, at the age of 104 , Hungarian Olympic champion, gymnast and Sportswoman. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 09:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment Actually, she wasn't the oldest at the time of her death. Both Yvonne Chabot-Curtet and Iris Cummings were older then Ágnes Keleti. She was the oldest living champion, however. But its almost there, the article. TheCorriynial (talk) 10:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support, she's a notable Hungarian athlete who not only won 10 Olympic medals, but was also inducted into the International Jewish Sports Hall of Fame, the Hungarian Sports Hall of Fame, the International Women's Sports Hall of Fame, and the International Gymnastics Hall of Fame. Di (they-them) (talk) 16:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• This is a recent deaths nomination, and so as per the notice, only the article quality should be considered (every person with an article is eligible to be nominated). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Procedural oppose as per WP:DENY. The nominator is blocked for sockpuppetry/block evasion, so we shouldn't be supporting that by allowing this nomination of theirs. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  If they verifiably died, they qualify. It doesn't help readers in this case to DENY. Per the WP:EVASION policy: This does not mean that edits must be reverted just because they were made by a banned editor (changes that are obviously helpful, such as fixing typos or undoing vandalism, can be allowed to stand), but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert.—Bagumba (talk) 18:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article is in quality to post. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 22:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Yoav Gallant resigns from Israel parliament

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Article: Yoav Gallant (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Yoav Gallant, member of the Israel Parliament (pictured), resigns at the age of 66, after being fired in November. (Post)
News source(s): NDTV The Times Of Israel
Credits:

• Nominated by ArPerfectlyEdits (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet. ArPerfectlyEdits (talk) 14:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Thanks for the information, but resigning from parliament is not ITN-worthy. He was already ITN with the fact, that the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant. Grimes2 (talk) 14:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. Resigning after being fired is hardly the news bombshell he might have hoped for, even if he is an international criminal. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Strong oppose first this doesn't meet WP:ITNSIGNIF. Also, this nomination was made by an editor with 29 edits, and so violates WP:ARBPIA (need to have 500 edits to edit this topic area). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  I don't understand your last sentence. Why should an ITNC editor have 500 edits? Grimes2 (talk) 17:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  That's coming from the Arbcom decision on anythibg related to the Israel/Palestine conflict, which includes when these topics appear on ITN. — Masem (t) 18:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

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January 1

Portal:Current events/2025 January 1

January 1, 2025 (2025-01-01) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Israeli airstrikes across the Gaza Strip kill at least 26 Palestinians, including four children. At least ten others are missing and believed to be buried under rubble. (Al Jazeera) 2025 New Orleans truck attack A man kills 15 people and injures 35 others, including two police officers, in a vehicle-ramming and shooting attack on Bourbon Street in New Orleans, Louisiana, United States, before being shot dead. The FBI says that it found an Islamic State flag in the suspect's vehicle. (Reuters) Somali Civil War The African Union Support and Stabilisation Mission, endorsed by United Nations Security Council on December 27, replaces the African Union Transition Mission as the African Union's peacekeeping mission in Somalia. (Voice of Nigeria) (UN Press) Arts and culture Public Domain Day The novel A Farewell to Arms and the cartoon characters Popeye and Tintin enter the public domain in the United States. (Rolling Stone) Business and economy 2022–2023 Russia–European Union gas dispute Russia's gas firm Gazprom suspends exports of Russian natural gas through Ukrainian pipelines after Ukraine refused to renew the transit agreement between its operator Naftogaz and Gazprom. However, Hungary will continue receiving Russian natural gas via the TurkStream pipeline. (Reuters) Foreign relations of Mexico Mexico's Tax Administration Service implements new tariffs, including a 19% duty on goods from countries without international trade agreements with Mexico and a 17% duty on goods from Canada and the United States under certain value thresholds. (Reuters) Moldova–Russia relations As announced, Russia's Gazprom halts its gas supplies both to Moldova and the self-proclaimed Transnistrian republic alleging non-compliance with payment obligations. (bne IntelliNews), (Politico) Disasters and accidents European migrant crisis Twenty-seven migrants from sub-Saharan Africa are killed, and 83 others are rescued after two boats capsize off the Kerkennah Islands near Tunisia, with searches ongoing for additional missing passengers. (France 24) Three people are killed and over twenty others are injured in a fireworks explosion at a house in Honolulu, Hawaii, United States. (CTV News) International relations Honduras–United States relations Honduran President Xiomara Castro warns that she might remove all US military bases from Honduras and seek to cancel the military cooperation with the United States if President-elect Donald Trump fulfills his threat to order mass deportations of Hondurans when he takes office next January 20. (The Tico Times) Law and crime 2024–2025 German New Year's Eve pyrotechnics incidents Five people are killed, several others are injured, and at least 330 people are arrested due to mishandling of pyrotechnics during New Year's celebrations in Germany. (RNZ) (1News) 2025 Cetinje shootings Twelve people are killed and four others are injured in a shooting spree in Cetinje, Montenegro. The perpetrator kills himself. (AP) (Al Jazeera) Al Jazeera controversies and criticism The Palestinian Authority suspends Al Jazeera's broadcasts and operations in Palestine, accusing the network of interfering in internal affairs and spreading incitement and misinformation. (Reuters) Capital punishment in Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia announces the execution of six Iranian nationals convicted of smuggling hashish. In Tehran, the Iranian Foreign Ministry summoned the Saudi ambassador in protest. (AP) LGBTQ rights in Liechtenstein Liechtenstein becomes the 39th country to legalize same-sex marriage. (GCN) Trump International Hotel Las Vegas Tesla Cybertruck explosion A Tesla Cybertruck explodes outside the Trump International Hotel Las Vegas in Paradise, Nevada, United States, killing the driver and slightly injuring seven other people. Police are currently investigating whether the fireworks that the truck was carrying were part of a terrorist plot. (ABC News) Five people are killed in a familicide mass stabbing when a son kills his four sisters and mother in Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh, India. (The Hindu) A police officer is killed and four other people are injured in a vehicle-ramming attack during a patrol in Nelson, New Zealand. A 32-year-old suspect is arrested. (AP) Eleven people are injured during a mass shooting outside a nightclub in Queens, New York, United States. (The Nightly) FBI agents announce the seizure of more than 150 homemade pipe bombs and other explosive devices from a home in Isle of Wight County, Virginia, United States, "the largest seizure by number of finished explosive devices in FBI history". (AP) Politics and elections Bulgaria and Romania finalize the process of joining the Schengen Area and lift their land border controls. (AP) Karin Keller-Sutter is sworn in as President of Switzerland. (Le News)

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RD : Wayne Osmond

Article: Wayne Osmond (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS, YourErie, ABC
Credits:

• Nominated by TheAstorPastor (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 The AP (talk) 08:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) 2025 Trump International Hotel explosion

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Article: Trump International Hotel Las Vegas Tesla Cybertruck explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ One person is killed and seven others are injured when a Tesla Cybertruck explodes (pictured) outside of the Trump International Hotel Las Vegas in Paradise, Nevada, United States. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times BBC ABC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)

 Spworld2 (talk) 09:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Strong oppose This was deliberated before but it was taken down. Now a few hours on, we have more coverage than smoke being reported by The Mirror, but it still doesn't appear that important. Also, the article is at AfD, but that appears to be SNOW keep at the moment. Departure– (talk) 05:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Departure– This is in favor of the AfD discussion, but the article should maintain its current status.

  This does not appear to be a normal explosion, there is international media coverage[2][3][4][5], one person was killed and 7 were injured, and there are reports that this is related to the 2025 New Orleans truck attack Spworld2 (talk) 05:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Whether it was intentional or not, a single death is not significant to post as a story, unless it was determined to be an act of terrorism (which doesn't seem to be the case at this point). --Masem (t) 05:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Masem Was it determined to be intentional or not? There was one death and more than 7 injuries, and this did not happen near a normal hotel. 2025 New Orleans truck attack still under investigation -

  FBI is trying to determine if the incident was an act of terrorism, CNN [6] reports Spworld2 (talk) 05:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  Are you suggesting MINIMUMDEATHS > 1? Banedon (talk) 08:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  It has a link. —Bagumba (talk) 08:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - this nomination has already been closed once. This could easily be just an accident or a grandiose suicide. The only reason there may be more coverage than local is because of the (possibly conincidental) timing with the New Orleans attack; which would make it the same story if there is a link. Nfitz (talk) 05:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Nfit It seems that the previous nomination was terminated due to lack of quality. This does not seem to be a normal occurrence. Spworld2 (talk) 05:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  The previous nom was withdrawn by the nominator.—Bagumba (talk) 08:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose as per the previous one being withdrawn in the face of unanimous opposes. I share the sentiments of one of the original comments. A car fire? Some Tesla cars seem to have this issue. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  To be fair, mass shootings (and other kind of mass-murders) are objectively more common in the US than car fires. 51.154.145.205 (talk) 11:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  In 2021, 650 Americans died in motor vehicle fires and 48,000 by firearms, but most are suicides; only about 480 were in mass shootings. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose as a single item, merge with the New Orleans blurb IF a connection is officially confirmed. Johndavies837 (talk) 10:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose we do not report incidents where only one person died unless if it is the assassination of a notable person.

Djprasadian (talk) 11:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, Vice President Elect Musk has "broken silence" to reassure us that Tesla Cybertrucks are perfectly safe. But he is still alive. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Vehicles explode (and cause injuries from said explosions) all the time, I don’t see what makes this particular instance so special. I may reconsider if concrete proof of the explosion being intentional comes out, but I doubt it. Hungry403 (talk) 13:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  I also see that this nom was closed already, another reason for opposition Hungry403 (talk) 13:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  Note: I'm pretty sure that Tesla Cybertrucks are not concrete-proof. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Wait It seems fairly clear that this wasn't a routine vehicle fire as the explosion was set up with fireworks and gas canisters. It seems conceivable that it's connected with the other truck terrorism incident and so we should await further investigation. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Wait @Andrew is right. Some new articles are now calling this a possible act of terrorism. [7], [8]— Preceding unsigned comment added by IDB.S (talk • contribs) 17:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

The police are saying this is likely a Suicide. I'm horrified that people keep recreating the article and reopening the discussion, when this was pretty obviously a good likelihood at the time this discussion was reopened! Close this abortion now. Nfitz (talk) 19:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose This was already previously nominated, discussed, and quickly closed. --SpectralIon (talk) 19:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support I was rejected from nominating it, however now that it was a terrorist attack and one person died, it only makes sense for it to be nominated. Two terrorist attacks in one day, sad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk • contribs) 20:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  There's no indication, User:SimpleSubCubicGraph, that this was a suicide. Why do you think this wasn't a suicide? Nfitz (talk) 20:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Nfitz well I've heard from some news sources that it is a terrorist attack. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 20:28, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  Do you have any references, User:SimpleSubCubicGraph? I haven't seen any since they declared that they believe it's a suicide. Nfitz (talk) 20:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support my alt blurb. ArionStar (talk) 20:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  Strong oppose (again) that altblurb. These attacks are not related in method or scope (active attack with 10+ deaths vs. a suicide with no additional deaths). Also, while most know where New Orleans is, Paradise in English internationally overwhelmingly is not used to refer to the Nevada location. Departure– (talk) 20:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  Sorry, I don't live in the US and I'm not familiar with American cities. ArionStar (talk) 20:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  Our article Trump International Hotel Las Vegas says it's in Paradise, not Las Vegas. Our blurbs shouldn't be factually wrong. Though why anyone wants to ITN a suicide I don't know. That's highly concerning. Nfitz (talk) 21:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  Trying to think of it as an explosion rather than a suicide might alleviate some of that concern. People nominate exploding meteors, exploding pipelines, exploding all kinds of stuff. Humans are often involved, but they're not the basis, like in pure death cases. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose The authorities have officially announced that this incident was not linked to the New Orleans incident. With that in mind, this is not nearly important enough for the main page. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• I'm just...appalled with this discussion, between the last nom and this one. I do agree with the consensus that this is a single isolated incident and not really ITN worthy, I really think the civility was lost some time ago with this one. Just a recommendation everyone - let's chill out a bit. DarkSide830 (talk) 20:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  It's free forum open to divergent opinions. The only civility lost was due to the tragedies. ArionStar (talk) 20:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  When divergent opinions go to reopening closed debatess and glorifying suicide, then that's a step too far. The article is a huge violation of MOS:SUICIDE. Nfitz (talk) 21:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  The original nomination was withdrawn, not closed otherwise. Reporting by major reliable sources has improved since then so reopening this wasn't quite as big of a problem as that, in my opinion. Departure– (talk) 21:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - This is now being reported as an isolated incident. As no-one but the victim/perpetrator died, I don't think it comes anywhere near the usual threshold for ITN, and I'm rather suprised it's still being debated. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose -- this really ought to be closed; clearly consensus won't develop to post this. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 05:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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(Posted) Schengen Area expansion

Article: Schengen Area (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Romania and Bulgaria join the Schengen Area, the European passport-free zone. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Romania and Bulgaria join the Schengen Area and lift land border checks.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Romania and Bulgaria both become full members of the Schengen Area.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Romania and Bulgaria both become full members of the Schengen Area by removing land border checks, seven months after their initial admission.
News source(s): CNN, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by UCinternational (talk · give credit)
• Updated by WikiContributor0830 (talk · give credit)

Support, I would argue that any changes to the composition of the Schengen Area are inherently relevant as the largest area with free movement in the world, and for years it has been a major topic of discussion here in the European Union that Romania and Bulgaria were the last EU members to not have been admitted (excl. Ireland who have an opt-out) because of a veto from Austria in the Council of the European Union. So it was very significant when the vote finally passed last month in the Justice and Home Affairs Council.

However, that wording is probably not ideal—in a legal sense, Romania and Bulgaria joined the Schengen Area on 31 March 2024 when border controls were lifted for air and sea travel. The news are that land border checks have also just been lifted, granting the countries full participation on the same level as all other 27 member states.

So I would propose re-phrasing the blurb to something like Romania and Bulgaria become full members of the Schengen Area, with land border checks lifted on 1 January 2025.

BochiBochiGalaxy (talk) 05:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Support, but agree with BochiBochiGalaxy, so also added altblurb 1. Yo.dazo (talk) 10:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Support on notability This is a major change in international policy. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:47, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Support ALT1 as a major change in policy that is in the news, so meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. And target article has enough information about this event to pass WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose This item is misleading because, currently, many major EU nations are actually operating border controls – Austria, Denmark, Germany, France, Netherlands, Sweden, etc. – see EU Commission. Schengen is effectively in abeyance and the article/blurb do not explain this. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:28, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support - Positive news, and any complaints about the article or story being misleading can be addressed in the article itself. Harizotoh9 (talk) 16:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support - important moment for those countries. Very notable event. - Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 18:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  Support per Eugen. ArionStar (talk) 20:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose - 2 nations joining the Schengen isn't that exciting. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 20:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Major development. @SimpleSubCubicGraph: ITN articles do not have to be "exciting", they simply must be important. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support altblurb2 as nominator. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 22:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Both are major European countries with relatively large populations. I like the original blurb the most, but I'm fine with any of them. This is certainly a development worthy for ITN. --SpectralIon (talk) 22:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  With the edits to the blurbs, I now prefer Altblurb 1 to the others. SpectralIon (talk) 06:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support alt2 - Significant development in international relations. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

NB: Since I made the above post, the blurbs have been edited by another user to be more verbose than they were previously. I liked the conciseness of alt2, which is why I voted for it. The current alt2 is not what I voted for; I would support the original blurb in preference to it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@GenevieveDEon: I've restored altblurb2 and moved the appended altblurb2 to a new altblurb since it was significantly appended by another editor without my knowledge. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 02:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• Posted ALT2. Schwede66 07:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: John B. O'Reilly Jr.

Article: John B. O'Reilly Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9]
Credits:

• Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Moeqas (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 6th mayor of Dearborn, Michigan. History6042😊 (Contact me) 22:41, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• In its current form, the article isn't ready. Date and place of birth are unreferenced. There is absolutely nothing about his early life, education, or work history. Schwede66 19:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Chad Morgan

Article: Chad Morgan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-02/chad-morgan-australian-country-music-singer-dies/104778248
Credits:

• Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian comedy country music performer known as "The Sheik of Scrubby Creek". HiLo48 (talk) 22:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

2025 Cetinje shootings

Article: 2025 Cetinje shootings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thirteen people including the perpetrator are killed and four others are injured in spree shootings in Cetinje, Montenegro. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Thirteen are killed in spree shootings in Cetinje, Montenegro. The shootings are the deadliest in Montenegro since 1944 during Nazi occupation.
News source(s): [10]
Credits:

• Nominated by SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk · give credit)

• Support on notability, oppose on quality Quite similar in scope as the 2022 Cetinje shooting, also taking place in Cetinje. Removed mention of terrorism in the blurb as it's not in the source beyond the involvement of counter-terrorist government agencies. The second shooting targeted the restaurant owner's family. Departure– (talk) 22:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Departure– Changed it once more to deadliest shooting in Montenegro since 1944. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 22:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

That's almost certainly not relevant. "Deadliest since X" isn't needed in a blurb. Departure– (talk) 22:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Departure– Please clarify if I am wrong but doesn't blurb mean short description? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 22:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Blurbs are almost always a single sentence and typically don't contain context in the blurb. For instance, we wouldn't have the second sentence read "Shootings in Montenegro are rare due to strict gun laws" either - that can be implied from the source or the article. Departure– (talk) 22:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I turned SSCG's changes into an altblurb. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality. Article is all of eight sentences. Notability is unclear. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Ad Orientem how is a terrorist attack that has killed as many people as the New Orleans truck attack not notable? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 22:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  The article does not indicate that this is a terrorist incident. If that is established I would likely support on the merits, though article quality does not meet the customary standards for ITN as of this comment. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Ad Orientem its still people dying... SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 22:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  I am not questioning the basic notability of the subject for inclusion in the encyclopedia. But we have a higher bar for blurbs at ITN. All of which said, the immediate problem is article quality. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support on notability, oppose on quality. This is the worst shooting in the country since World War II, so it definitely warrants inclusion. However, the article is way too short for the main page. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  Note: I oppose the altblurb, since those facts may not be correct. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - there's no mention in the article about these being the largest shootings since WWII. Perhaps because 11 died in the same location less than 30 months ago - 2022 Cetinje shooting (which was ITN). Also there were higher death counts for sprees murdering Albanians during the 1990s Yugoslav wars. This nomination is WP:OR. Nfitz (talk)
• Oppose per Nfitz. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 23:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC) Changed to Support on notability due to increased death count. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 18:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support original blurb on notability, wait on quality. This is definitely notable with 10 dead, but the article is a very short stub. I also oppose the alternative blurb per Nfitz. --SpectralIon (talk) 00:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  I now fully Support the original blurb seeing as the article quality has improved and the casualty count has risen. SpectralIon (talk) 20:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Weak Oppose - This doesn't seem terrorism related at all, and is rather a crazy person with a gun angry at the world after perceived slights. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC) (Note: with the updated death count, I only weakly oppose posting-- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 22:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC))

  @SpectralIon he killed as many people as the new orleans truck attack, what makes this not in the news? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 03:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  I supported this for ITN, did you mean to ping Rockstone? SpectralIon (talk) 03:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  @SpectralIon Yes, I am sorry. @Rockstone35 read above please SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 03:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  @User:SimpleSubCubicGraph we typically don't post things that are notable only for the number of deaths without something more. We wouldn't have posted a mass shooting that killed 10 people in the US, for example. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 03:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Rockstone35 so 10 people dying mean nothing to you? What if you were a family member of those people? Wouldnt you want everyone to hear what that person did? You cant be apathetic to these people just because they dont affect you. You need to understand how that not only affected the family and friends of the 10 but the entire city and nation of Montenegro. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  Opposing this doesn't mean I don't condemn the attacks or mourn the lives lost. Please don't set up a strawman. Of course I feel awful for the victims, as anyone would. But ITN isn't a newsticker. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 16:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  @SimpleSubCubicGraph, please read WP:RGW. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Weak oppose per Ad Orientem and Nfitz. Beyond deaths, special notability seems shaky. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability, oppose on quality. Wait until the article is not a stub to post it. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 06:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support The deadliest shooting since World War II is notable itsslf. Article looks better now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

There is no indication this this is the deadliest shooting since "Workd War II (sic)". And this isn't stated in the article. Nfitz (talk) 19:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

The government of Montenegro declared three days of mourning, which is a sign that this is a serious incident on national level. Furthermore, there's no reason why lives of Americans should be valued more than lives of Montenegrins as we already have a similar incident in New Orleans posted on the main page. After careful examination, there's indication that the opposition to this nomination on significance comes from editors who regularly support shootings in the US and complain about anti-American bias when they don’t succeed.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Please answer the question. I'm not sure what the USA has to do with this. The nomination is seriously flawed - that's the issue I have. Nfitz (talk) 21:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Nfitz: You state that something isn’t the case without providing any evidence that proves the contrary. The 2022 Cetinje shooting you’re referring to had 11 deaths, which is clearly less than 13 deaths in this one. Moreover, there were no murders of Albanians in Montenegro during the 1990s. Montenegro was part of Yugoslavia whose authorities committed murders in Kosovo. You’re welcome to provide additional evidence if you don’t agree with it. There are reliable sources reporting this as ‘the greatest massacre’ in the history of Montenegro (see this as an example), so you need to better elaborate your view that it’s not the case. After all, we typically don’t include such lines in the blurbs we post, so this is a relatively minor issue considering how the story is unfolding (there are three days of mourning, and a country-wide gun ban was proposed).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

If you are say that there were no murders of Albanians (contrary to our own Encyclopaedia), I have concerns. My point here is that the article nowhere mentions that this is the deadliest shooting since Work War II, itsslf (sic). Surely, User:Kiril Simeonovski, looking at the article makes that clear (at least at the time that posted). The deaths are indeed now higher than the other recent shooting in this town; I don't see the relevance to my comment. Nfitz (talk) 00:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Nfitz: I think you should learn some geography and history before participating in such discussions with claims that what you don’t like is flawed (note first that Montenegro and Albania are different countries that haven’t been part of the same political entity over the past 100 years).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, of Albanians. There's no reason to be rude, and for you to violate one of Wikipedia's most basic principles, just because I've correctly pointed out that the article didn't mention that it was the biggest shooting since World War II. Nfitz (talk) 09:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm not rude, just honest, and I wasn't bothered by your repeated sarcasm ("Workd War II (sic)"). Fair enough. Let's leave some room for others in this discussion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I think the situation in New Orleans is significantly different than the situation in Montenegro. Namely, the one in New Orleans is a terrorist attack, while this is a domestic violence incident that became a spree shooting. Would you support posting a similar shooting that happened in the US? Personally, I would not. Also, please don't cast aspersions, I do not appreciate your insinuations. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 22:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Rockstone35: Is there a specific Wikipedia policy that terrorist attacks should be assigned higher significance in ITN nominations? Innocent people died in both incidents, so the motives shouldn’t matter.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Kiril Simeonovski: there isn't a specific policy that we shouldn't include mass shootings in countries where they're common, and yet that's consistently what happens, so I don't know what your point is. If the motive doesn't matter, then neither should how often it happens or where. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

My point is that you cannot dismiss a shooting if it’s not a terrorist attack as we don’t have such policy. There are other indicators of notability, such as public response and policies. If there are days of mourning and proposals for country-wide gun ban, then it’s clear that this is a serious incident that affects the whole society.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

The main reason I opposed posting was because these types of shootings are routinely not posted if they happen in the US, despite the fact that they had the same number of deaths. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 15:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on Quality. Significance seems to be there, but as many of noted, the article is fairly short. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support - While the article would still benefit from expansion, it's just about sufficient. Despite the fact that Cetinje has had two of them in four years, shootings of this kind are generally very rare in Europe, and this is clearly more than noteworthy. I am not impressed by arguments attempting to differentiate the New Orleans killings from these by applying the politicised label of 'terrorism'; in a murder on this scale, the puported reason for the killings should not generally be a deciding factor in whether to post. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support - As noted above, the article is short and could benefit from more people writing to expand it, but it is more than enough to understand the event. Regardless of whether Cetinje was unlucky enough to have two modern shootings, these shootings are still extraordinarily rare in Europe. I will also note that I do not understand why so many people have tried to argue on the semantics of the word terrorism when twelve people have died, and that to most of the world this and the New Orleans terrorist attack have equal relevance – I think there is very clear U.S.-centrism at display in this discussion. BochiBochiGalaxy (talk) 05:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

  It isn't Americentricism, please don't cast aspersions. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 15:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support on notability; weak support on quality per GenevieveDEon and BochiBochiGalaxy. The article could and should be further expanded, but I think it conveys the basics of what happened sufficiently with some recent additions by editors. It is a landmark mass casualty event for a country that has caused a day of national mourning. The ripple effects of the shooting are also spurring a nationwide conversation about banning firearms. The call for gun reform are in turn attracting global news coverage, e.g. from the Washington Post to the Toronto Star. Opposing votes have mentioned the attack being motivated by mental health or family issues, but I point out these were also motivations of the Sandy Hook or Aurora shooters in the USA, attacks which had a lasting impact and which we did post without question. A non-terror motive does not negate that it is an impactful event, with casualties, that is leading to global media coverage. Flip^andFlopped ツ 18:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) 2025 New Orleans truck attack

Article: 2025 New Orleans truck attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 11 people are killed and 36 others are injured in a vehicle-ramming and shooting attack in New Orleans, Louisiana (street pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Eleven people are killed and thirty-six others are injured in a vehicle-ramming and shooting attack in New Orleans, Louisiana (intersection pictured).
News source(s): [11][12][13]
Credits:

• Nominated by Personisinsterest (talk · give credit)

• Wait on quality, support on notability. Going through some international news websites, this is the very top story on most of them and one of the top on all of them. I think a bit more information is needed in the article, but it's a matter of time as new information comes in. Heythereimaguy (talk) 13:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  I, along with other users, have edited the article as more information has surfaced to the point where I believe that the article is of high enough quality. Support. Heythereimaguy (talk) 17:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment We typically do not post shootings in the US due to their frequency, but I will note that the fact that they found improvised explosives in the truck and the suspect was wearing armored gear suggests this is more than a run of the mill shooting, very likely premeditated. Should at least wait until some more info on the motive (if they can figure it out, the driver was killed) --Masem (t) 14:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  For what it's worth, this was more a vehicle attack than a shooting. Heythereimaguy (talk) 15:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  The article is called "car attack" (actually now "truck attack"), so it is puzzling why one would ignore that central aspect when assessing the article's notability. Einsof (talk) 17:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• Wait on quality and support without image for notability, however, the current image of just the street is, in my opinion, irrelevant. We don't need an image for every blurb. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
• Use Terrorist attack instead of 'Car attack' if confirmed. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support quality is ok now. ArionStar (talk) 15:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support: This is the worst terrorist attack on American soil in years. BOTTO _(T•C) 15:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Personisinsterest: Would you be able to change the link in your nomination to 2025 New Orleans truck attack? The article has been renamed since you nominated it. BOTTO _(T•C) 17:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  Got it! Personisinsterest (talk) 18:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Its the new year and a terrorist attack happened. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 17:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support. Quality is fine given the amount of publicly available information. Notable based on high number of casualties for a vehicle-ramming attack. Einsof (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support Similar to the 2024 Magdeburg car attack that was posted at couple weeks earlier. Even more dead though and with an ISIS flag, bombs and guns, this is not run-of-the-mill in any way. Quality is good considering the amount of info available at the moment. --Torsodog^Talk 17:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 18:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) 2025 Trump Tower fire

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Article: 2025 Trump tower explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A cybertruck catches on fire near the Trump Tower with casulaties still unknown. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/breaking-trump-tower-explosion-horror-34403879]
Credits:

• Nominated by SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk · give credit)

• Oppose and topic ban User:SimpleSubCubicGraph from ITN. A car fire? And the sole source in the nomination is from a somewhat questionable tabloid list as WP:MREL. Nfitz (talk) 18:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  Don't WP:BITE. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs

• Strong oppose WP:NTRUMP - no casualties confirmed or reported yet, damage unclear but doesn't appear much, reporting is coming from inside the tower implying most inside are more or less safe but they're saying that the fire wasn't even at the tower. The "big story" is literal reporting on smoke via The Mirror. Departure– (talk) 18:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
• Wow Great to see some serious sources wading in: GB News, Daily Star, and Wiki's Favourite. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Nfitz I assumed it was a terrorist attack given that another one happened in New Orleans just a few hours ago. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

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December 31

Portal:Current events/2024 December 31

December 31, 2024 (2024-12-31) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks War against the Islamic State Opération Chammal The French Air Force conducts airstrikes against several Islamic State targets in Syria. (Le Parisien) Somali Civil War, Puntland military offensives into ISIS Ten Islamic State militants are killed by Puntland forces in an attempted attack involving suicide bombers on a military base in Dharjaale, Bari, Puntland, Somalia. This comes after the semi-autonomous region of Puntland announced a military offensive against the Islamic State and Al-Shabaab. (Garowe Online) (Reuters) (Idil News) Red Sea crisis The United States Air Force launches at least 12 airstrikes in Sanaa, Yemen. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents One crew member is killed and two others are missing after a cargo ship sinks in the San Bernardino Strait near Samar, Philippines. (News Central) Puerto Rico experiences a power outage, impacting 1.3 million clients. (The New York Times) (NBC News) International relations French military withdrawal from West Africa France–Ivory Coast relations In his New Year's speech, Ivorian President Alassane Ouattara announces that the French military base in Abidjan will be handed over to the Ivorian Government in January. (France 24) France–Senegal relations In his New Year's speech, Senegalese President Bassirou Diomaye Faye announces the closure of French military facilities and the withdrawal of all foreign military forces from Senegal beginning in 2025. (Le Figaro) Law and crime 2024 Ecuadorian conflict An Ecuadorian judge issues arrest warrants for 16 soldiers accused of the disappearance and murder of four children in Guayaquil after genetic tests confirm the charred remains found near a military base belong to the missing victims. (AP) 2024 South Korean martial law crisis The Seoul Western District Court issues an arrest warrant for impeached president Yoon Suk Yeol. (The Japan Times) Belgrade school shooting A Serbian court sentences the parents of a boy who killed 10 people in a Belgrade primary school in 2023 to over 14 years and three years in prison, respectively, for child neglect and abuse, and also sentences a shooting range instructor to 1 and a half years for perjury. (Reuters) Capital punishment in Zimbabwe Zimbabwe approves a law abolishing the death penalty in the country, effective immediately. (BBC News) Kivu conflict, Capital punishment in the Democratic Republic of the Congo A military tribunal in North Kivu, Democratic Republic of Congo, sentences 13 soldiers to death for charges including murder, looting, and cowardice, following territorial losses attributed to desertion during the conflict. (Reuters) Five people are wounded during a random mass stabbing amid New Year's Eve celebrations in Verucchio, Province of Rimini, Italy. The perpetrator is shot dead by a soldier. (Il Resto del Carlino) A man steals an excavator in Grünsfeld, Germany, and rams the excavator against vehicles, injuring four police officers, before being shot dead. (DW)

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RD: Fraser Stoddart

Article: Fraser Stoddart (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Twente University
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
• Created by V8rik (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Nobel Prize laureate in chemistry in the fields supramolecular chemistry and nanotechnology. Grimes2 (talk) 13:28, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Jocelyn Wildenstein

Article: Jocelyn Wildenstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:58D9:DCBF:4F69:EC26 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Swiss socialite best known for her extensive cosmetic surgery. 240F:7A:6253:1:58D9:DCBF:4F69:EC26 (talk) 02:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Arnold Rüütel

Article: Arnold Rüütel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [14]
Credits:

• Nominated by 2A00:807:C7:C82A:2859:B355:BAAD:86AD (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: 3rd President of Estonia from 2001–2006. 2A00:807:C7:C82A:2859:B355:BAAD:86AD (talk) 04:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Not Ready Multiple CN tags --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Several instances in the article of sourcing issues which need to be fixed. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 14:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Angelo Amato

Article: Angelo Amato (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [15]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
• Created by LCahill (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Italian cardinal who died yesterday. History6042😊 (Contact me) 04:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• Almost there One CN tag. But it's an entire list of his publications. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

 Added ISBNs Grimes2 (talk) 04:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Johnnie Walker

Article: Johnnie Walker (DJ) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
• Created by R. fiend (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cameron Scott (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: English disc jockey. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 16:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Support He seems to be quite popular as a DJ, including winning many awards. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. Curbon7 (talk) 12:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Note: currently 18 {cn} tags. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready per Martinevans123. Referencing is not up to scratch. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024 United States Treasury Hack

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2024 United States Department of the Treasury hack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Chinese Communist Party hacks into the United States Treasury, stealing valuable data (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The United States Department of the Treasury states that it was hacked by a Chinese intelligence agency.
News source(s): (Reuters)
Credits:

• Nominated by SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk · give credit)

• Oppose First, that blurb is extremely misleading on two angles: Chinese hackers are suspected, but there's not yet any connection to the CCP. Second, the data took was "unclassified documents", which means it is unlikely to be "valuable" data from the Treasure department. As such, this is nowhere close to a major scandle, they just had to report it after reporting it to Congress. At this point, its not a significant incident. --Masem (t) 01:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@Masem To your first point, yes that is true, a "suspicion" but 99% likely CCP hackers. Secondly, unclassified does not mean publicly available data, there are unclassified documents in the military, but that does not mean you can go around looking at it. Also the extent of the hack is still unreported. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 01:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Nonetheless I will still leave it up to garner a community census. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 01:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Which is why at this point, how significant this is is unknown, particularly compared to the phone network hacks earlier this previous month. As this happened earlier this month and only being reported on now, we should wait until we see if there's a serious diplomatic issue that develops. Masem (t) 01:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Oh no, my data! Seriously though, per above this isn't a major or important development yet. Much larger cyberattacks have happened since, such as National Public Data where actual valuable information was confirmed to be leaked, and that wasn't posted because we couldn't muster enough editors to get that up to quality. Tell me, what was stolen exactly? I'll reconsider if this gets more coverage. I'd give weak support on quality here. Departure– (talk) 04:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Departure– you know the Treasury will not leak what was stolen, but it was likely the programs that monitor and communicate with funding. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose the blurb, it is laughably breaking many WPian notions. Nothing to say on posting another blurb. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 08:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  Please do not WP:BITE. Gotitbro (talk) 09:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  I didn't mean it in a devious way, but that in the process of forming a blurb, it produced something which is a bit humorous, as well as not fit few Wiki guidelines. I hope SimpleSubCubicGraph didn't get it the wrong way. It is a good faith nom anyway. --ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 11:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  @ExclusiveEditor I'm sorry, I won't make a new post anymore if thats what you want SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  @SimpleSubCubicGraph You got me, I meant you to not post anything ever again, stop editing and take a pretty much sanyasa from this wiki world of illusions. --ExclusiveEditor(talk) 18:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  @ExclusiveEditor I can not tell if that is humor or not, and yes I am being serious. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 22:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Just the latest in Chinese intelligence activity abroad (Chinese espionage in the United States, Chinese espionage in California) and Chinese information operations and information warfare. 2024 United States telecommunications hack was another one of these along with the Chinese interference in the 2024 United States elections; this isn't as unique of a story as it would initially seem. If things escalate we can re-consider. Gotitbro (talk) 09:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 12:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Insignificant Setarip (talk) 16:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. -- KTC (talk) 23:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose and WP:WHACK! User:SimpleSubCubicGraph for a horrid nomination. Nfitz (talk) 23:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per everybody. --SpectralIon (talk) 23:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per further thought. After rethinking about the grand scope of the article, I have changed my opinion on the matter and no longer think it is newsworthy enough to end up on the front page. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 5:04:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

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December 30

Portal:Current events/2024 December 30

December 30, 2024 (2024-12-30) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Prisoners of war in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Russia and Ukraine exchange hundreds of prisoners of war in a deal brokered by the United Arab Emirates. Ukraine says that many of those released by Russia are soldiers captured during the Siege of Mariupol in 2022. (BBC News) Sudanese civil war Battle of Khartoum The Sudanese government says at least nine people have been killed and 121 others injured in shelling by the Rapid Support Forces in Khartoum. (Sudan Tribune) 2024 Israeli invasion of Syria Israel Defense Forces operating in the Syrian side of the 1974 buffer zone, in Quneitra Governorate, advance into the Syrian town of Madinat al-Baath. (The Times of Israel) Trinidad and Tobago declares a state of emergency as gang violence escalates in the country, due to five people shot dead at a shop in Laventille, Port of Spain the previous day. (BBC News) (Al Jazeera) Business and economy Syrian civil war Fall of the Assad regime The Syrian transitional government appoints Maysaa Sabreen as the first female governor of the Central Bank of Syria. (Reuters) Moldova–Russia relations Moldovan prime minister Dorin Recean states his country envisages the possible nationalisation of Moldovagaz company, which is 50%-owned by Russia's Gazprom, following the announcement by Gazprom that the current gas supply deal, to expire on December 31, will not be renewed. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents In Pakistan, ten people are killed and seven injured in a bus crash on a highway in Fateh Jang, Punjab. Separately, eight people are killed during a van–truck collision in Naushahro Feroze, Sindh. (AP) Three tourists are killed and seven others are injured in a fire at a hotel on Khaosan Road in Bangkok, Thailand. (AP) International relations Syria–Ukraine relations Syria says that it hopes to form a "strategic partnership" with Ukraine following a high-level meeting in Damascus, Syria, between Syria's de-facto leader Ahmed al-Sharaa and Ukrainian foreign minister Andrii Sybiha, where the two countries re-established diplomatic relations. Ukraine also vowed to send additional food aid to Syria. (Reuters) Law and crime 2024 South Korean martial law crisis The Corruption Investigation Office for High-ranking Officials formally requests an arrest warrant for impeached South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol over his declaration of martial law. (Reuters) 2024 Venezuelan protests Venezuelan prosecutor general Tarek William Saab announces the release of 413 protesters from prison. (Reuters) Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations The U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals upholds a jury verdict finding Donald Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation in E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump. (USA Today) Yazidi genocide Germany's federal prosecutor charges an Iraqi couple, allegedly members of the Islamic State, with enslavement, torture, and war crimes, after they allegedly kept two Yazidi girls as slaves and sexually and physically abused them. (DW) An Argentine judge issues arrest warrants for Nicaraguan president Daniel Ortega, Vice President Rosario Murillo, and several others for alleged crimes against humanity, invoking universal jurisdiction. (Arab News) Cuba releases Salvadoran national Raúl Ernesto Cruz León after he completes a 30-year prison sentence for his involvement in the 1997 hotel bombings. (BSS) The Supreme Court of Venezuela fines social media platform TikTok $10 million for "not implementing measures" to prevent viral challenges that allegedly led to the death of three children. (AP) Politics and elections Death and state funeral of Jimmy Carter U.S. president Joe Biden orders a state funeral for former president Jimmy Carter to be held in Washington, D.C. on January 9. Biden also orders flags to be lowered to half-staff for thirty days in accordance with federal law. (BBC News) Treatment of women by the Taliban The Taliban government of Afghanistan announces it will close all national and foreign nongovernmental organizations in the country that currently employ women. (AP) Kenya Police fire tear gas at demonstrators in Nairobi protesting against alleged government extrajudicial abductions in the past few months. (Al Jazeera) Science and technology The Indian Space Research Organisation successfully launches its Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle rocket carrying the Space Docking Experiment twin satellite mission from the Satish Dhawan Space Centre in Andhra Pradesh, with the satellites expected to perform a docking maneuver on January 7, 2025. (DW) (The Times of India)

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RD: Jorge Lanata

Article: Jorge Lanata (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Cambalachero (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Journalist from Argentina. It too me a pair of days to post this, as the article was mostly unreferenced and had to basically use WP:TNT. I hope that it is ready for RD status. Cambalachero (talk) 02:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Michael Newberry

Article: Michael Newberry (footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTE, BBC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: English-born Northern Irish footballer  The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Quality looks good to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Jamshid bin Abdullah

Article: Jamshid bin Abdullah of Zanzibar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Atheer.om
Credits:

• Nominated by Mr. Lechkar (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Last sultan of Zanzibar, claimant to the defunct throne since the monarchy was overthrown in 1964. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 10:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Support Article looks good, though it's also pretty short. Yo.dazo (talk) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• There's nothing on his early life and I conclude that it’s not fit for posting in its current state. Schwede66 16:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose He is insignificant. Although he may be the heir, that is about the peak of his fame. Zanzibar is apart of Tanzania now and even then was a state that nobody cared about, both strategically and relevance. This would not be good for In the news but rather Did you know and even then, its very hard if that should appear on that page. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 01:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

FYI, for RD we normally only oppose due to the quality of the article. If it has an article, the subject is notable enough to appear in RD. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Per Schwede66. Article needs a lot more info such as about early life, which could be expanded a bit. Plus, there's some cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Linda Lavin

Article: Linda Lavin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (ABC)
Credits:

• Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: great loss actress and she deserves --QalasQalas 23:38, 2024 December 30 (UTC)

• Comment: Article looks fine except the whole filmography is unsourced. RachelTensions (talk) 01:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Linda_Lavin#Acting_credits has remained largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 01:30, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Ethiopian Truck Crash

Article: 2024 Sidama truck crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ethiopian truck crash kills 71 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 71 people die in an Ethiopian truck crash
Alternative blurb II: ​ A truck falls off a bridge over the Ganale Doria River in Bona Zuria, Sidama Region, Ethiopia, killing 71 people and injuring 4 others.
News source(s): [16]
Credits:

• Nominated by Alexgmail2000 (talk · give credit)

• Oppose Article is a stub. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:14, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• It is no longer a stub, I believe. Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  I still believe it is a stub / article needs expansion. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  Someone with local sources to help us? ArionStar (talk) 17:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is decent and significant as the Minas Gerais road crash. The year 2024 is ending very badly. ArionStar (talk) 12:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Is "disaster" the right word for the article name? the sources seem to leave it as "accident" even with a toll that high? --Masem (t) 13:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  Like Madan Ashrit Highway disaster and Westdene dam disaster. ArionStar (talk) 13:17, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  The move from truck crash to this new title was not discussed and should be reverted. "Try to avoid the words disaster, tragedy and crisis because this characterization is too subjective. It is preferable to use specific event names, such as collision, collapse, explosion, outbreak, pandemic, sinking, oil spill, and the like."

  Also Oppose on quality and sourcing.

  Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 16:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  I moved the article. Ca ^{talk to me!} 16:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support The article significant because of many sources reported it numerous times. AsteriodX (talk) 15:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notabilty, Wait on quality, hopefully the article will improve eventually. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 17:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support What is it with disasters this week? Setarip (talk) 17:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Setarip what is with the entire year, so many incidents happening. its crazy, espically the latter half SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  Oh and Support SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on article quality WP:STUB QalasQalas (talk) 20:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Wait for article quality then support altblurb2 without picture as the current image is too low quality. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 22:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose bus plunge This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  "Truck" plunge. ArionStar (talk) 00:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  This is actually a very good point about how news media, now with 24/7 operations, needs news to cover, and why as an encyclopedia we should be wary of giving attention to every single accident that gets reported. — Masem (t) 01:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until article quality improves, then Support Altblurb 2 due to the high number of casualties. P.S. is going into edit source the correct way to reply to an ITN nom? This is my first time and I couldn't find info about it. --SpectralIon (talk) 00:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability once the article is no longer a stub. high number of casualties, significant coverage. Flip^andFlopped ツ 01:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Article is a stub and we don’t post those. Schwede66 16:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Little encyclopedic value to our readers. Tradedia^talk 23:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  I'm trying to do something but no updates yet. ArionStar (talk) 00:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• support just posted N'orleans with a dozen dead. Only logical.Sportsnut24 (talk) 21:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

We can make an exception here. It's so tragical. ArionStar (talk) 02:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support in principle - This is a truly unusually high number of fatalities for a road accident. I'm not at all sympathetic to the terse deployment of 'bus plunge' as a 'reason' to oppose this nomination. It's an overused cliche used to dismiss genuinely significant stories from less-reported countries, simply because they feature a particular class of road accident. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Schwede66: we have a consensus here. ArionStar (talk) 23:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  Nah, at 1106 B (172 words) "readable prose size", that is most certainly still a stub. And we don't post stubs. Schwede66 04:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

  So, we have a consensus with a stub. Can anyone help us to expand it? ArionStar (talk) 12:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

December 29

Portal:Current events/2024 December 29

December 29, 2024 (2024-12-29) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Fall of the Assad regime Syrian mass graves Three mass graves associated with the Assad regime are discovered in Al-Qabou, Homs Governorate. (SOHR) Operation Dawn of Freedom, Yazidi genocide The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reports that a humanitarian crisis has developed in Manbij District following its capture by Turkish-backed Syrian National Army (SNA) forces and Turkish artillery fire, leading to continuous water scarcity, power outages, and basic needs shortages. (SOHR) Sudanese civil war Battle of Khartoum Seven civilians are killed and several others are injured in a Sudanese Armed Forces strike on residential areas in the southern part of Khartoum, Sudan. (Sudan Tribune) Disasters and accidents Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev says that Russia accidentally shot down the Azerbaijan Airlines plane, accusing Russia of trying to "hush up" the crash, and demanding from Russia a full admission of guilt, punishment for those responsible, and compensation for the victims. (AP) English Channel migrant crossings Three migrants die attempting to cross the English Channel, with 45 rescued and treated for hypothermia and four hospitalized. (BBC News) 2024 Sidama truck crash At least 71 people are killed and four injured when a passenger-carrying truck drives off a bridge into a river in Bona Zuria, Sidama Region, Ethiopia. (The Guardian) (Voice of America) Jeju Air Flight 2216 A Bangkok-departed Jeju Air Boeing 737-800 with 181 people on board crashes during landing at the Muan International Airport, in South Korea, killing 179 people and wounding two crew members. (Bloomberg) (YNA) (Euronews) Three police officers are killed and two others are injured in a gas explosion at the police academy in Cairo, Egypt. (Reuters) Two pilots are killed when their light aircraft crashes into the sea near Ras Al Khaimah, United Arab Emirates, shortly after takeoff from Al Jazeirah Airport. (Inquirer.net) A tourist is killed and another is injured in a shark attack at a resort in Marsa Alam, Egypt. (Al Arabiya) International relations Cambodia–Philippines relations Cambodia pardons and repatriates 13 Filipino women who were convicted of human trafficking for participating in a surrogacy scheme prohibited under Cambodian law. (ABC News) Politics and elections 2024 Chadian parliamentary election Voters in Chad elect the 188 members of the National Assembly. (Al Jazeera) 2024 Croatian presidential election Croatians vote to elect the President between incumbent Zoran Milanović and seven other candidates. (Reuters) 2024 Georgian post-election protests Mikheil Kavelashvili is inaugurated as the 6th President of Georgia, with outgoing president Salome Zourabichvili announcing that she would vacate her residence at the Orbeliani Palace in Tbilisi. Zourabichvili continues to claim that the new presidency is illegitimate and calls for continued protests. (Politico) (AP) Death and state funeral of Jimmy Carter Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter dies at the age of 100 in Plains, Georgia, United States. (BBC News) At the conclusion of the annual year-end general meeting of the Central Committee of the Workers' Party of Korea, the appointment of Pak Thae-song to replace Kim Tok-hun in the post of Prime Minister of North Korea is announced. (Yonhap News Agency)

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(REVIEWERS NEEDED) RD: Dada Masilo

Article: Dada Masilo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SABC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Internationally acclaimed South African dancer and choreographer, who transformed classical ballets into stories about today's characters, in a fusion with contemporary dance and African dancing. The article was stubbish, with lost references. There's still room for more detail, but I'm looking at the next two already. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

2024 Estlink 2 incident

Note that I've moved the item to 29 Dec, the date of the ship's transfer to Porvoo (see ALT2), as otherwise, this would be stale by now. Schwede66 18:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Striking the stale original (25 Dec) blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 10:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Article: 2024 Estlink 2 incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The submarine power cable Estlink 2 is damaged by an oil tanker suspected of belonging to Russia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Finnish police take over oil tanker Eagle S, suspected of damaging submarine power cable Estlink 2.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Eagle S, suspected of damaging submarine power cable Estlink 2, is transferred to Porvoo for investigation.
News source(s): https://yle.fi/a/74-20133526
Credits:

• Nominated by NotAGenious (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I'll try to combine https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Eagle_S_on_the_map_of_MarineTraffic,_in_relation_to_the_Estlink_2_incident.png with the cropped version of the Estlink map if I get a chance to do so. A significant event mentioned in multiple international news sources. NotAGenious (talk) 14:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as it's yet clear the exact cause, whether intentional sabotage or something else. Just having massive reporting doesn't necessarily make it an appropriate WP topic since WP is not a newspaper. Masem (t) 16:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

  I disagree that finding an exact cause should be a requirement for appearing on the main page: the article, which has speculation from reliable sources, is useful by itself. NotAGenious (talk) 18:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose since it's not the first cable damaged in the area this past month and I doubt the impact will be anywhere near the Nord Stream sabotage in 2022. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 17:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:SPECULATION. Sorry, but we don’t post speculations.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

  it's confirmed that an outside force destroyed the cable, just the cause is under investigation NotAGenious (talk) 22:13, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support there's nothing speculative about an international sabotage incident that is an act of economic terrorism, and given the type of incident it is we may never know the full true story (just like in falsified elections for example), that shouldn't barr a posting though; WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't a compelling argument either. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:20, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

  The blurb speculates that the incident was caused by a Russian oil tanker (this isn't even mentioned in the article). Furthermore, the article is in bad shape to demonstrate why this incident is significant.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  the article does mention it. NotAGenious (talk) 11:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  Now that it's improved, yes, but it didn't when I wrote the comment.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  No, it was.

  the tanker Eagle S, registered to the Cook Islands and part of Russia's shadow fleet...

  The police confirmed that the tanker is suspected of having caused the failure

  NotAGenious (talk) 14:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support, although the blurb needs to be updated. A bigger story here is that Finland has seized a Russian tanker suspected of being involved in cutting the cable.[17] Nsk92 (talk) 23:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support even on the off-chance it was accidental, still a series incident. –DMartin 01:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• I've added an alternative blurb and #Reactions. NotAGenious (talk) 10:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  Notified WT:FINLAND and WT:ESTONIA for further input here. NotAGenious (talk) 18:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support ArionStar (talk) 02:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  Per above, do not add votes without giving your reason. Stephen 07:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  It's a major incident with huge coverage and international reactions. ArionStar (talk) 19:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Unusual international incident that our well-sourced article is being updated on. No tags, though the redlinks are arguably distracting. NATO response is highly notable. Given increasing tensions in the Baltic and the continuing news coverage, this altblurb is a good fit for ITN. Jusdafax (talk) 16:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Support - There was a covering of the Baltic Sea Disruptions in current events a few weeks ago. This is also notable due to rising geopolitical tensions. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 19:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Important enough in the context of the present cold war between East and West. Tradedia^talk 02:11, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Is this stale? The earliest item on ITN is from December 26. Natg 19 (talk) 07:28, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  If we're going with the alternative blurb, it's actually the 26th. If we want a blurb telling about the transfer to Porvoo for investigation, it was yesterday, the 29th. NotAGenious (talk) 12:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  The admins didn't check the consensus in time. A pity. ArionStar (talk) 02:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  I've added a second alt blurb (transfer to Porvoo) and request further comments.— Preceding unsigned comment added by NotAGenious (talk • contribs) 11:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  Updated image. NotAGenious (talk) 18:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment @Abcmaxx, Dmartin969, ArionStar, SimpleSubCubicGraph, and Tradedia: The original blurb is now stale. Please confirm which, if any, of the alt blurbs is suitable.—Bagumba (talk) 10:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  It is not suitable… a pity. :( ArionStar (talk) 20:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  either altblurb is fine Abcmaxx (talk) 00:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose whether stale or not. Article fails to demonstrate the impacts of the cable damage beyond what generally appear to be mild monetary concerns, without knowing how per-person energy prices will exactly be impacted by this. DarkSide830 (talk) 20:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  what about the reactions on a political basis? NotAGenious (talk) 21:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support the newest alt-blurb. This is a widely reported story about a specific prominent incident relating to a signficant wider crisis. It's not covered by ongoing, and I think the strongly suspected involvement of the Russian government is very relevant. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment re: stale The orig blub was already stale by 29 Dec, when the oldest blurb was Manmohan Singh's death on the 26th.[18]—Bagumba (talk) 07:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose The power failure is stale news. Blurbs should generally avoid speculation of what is suspected, leaving the nuanced NPOV details for the article. Stick to blurbing more tangible events like formal charges, sanctions, retaliation, etc.—Bagumba (talk) 08:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

2024 Chadian parliamentary election

Article: 2024 Chadian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Chad holds its legislative elections that have been delayed several times since 2011. (Post)
News source(s): [19]
Credits:

• Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)

• Wait until official results are in. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 01:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb Jimmy Carter

Article: Jimmy Carter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former American president and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Jimmy Carter dies at the age of 100 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former United States president and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Jimmy Carter dies at the age of 100.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Former president of the United States and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Jimmy Carter dies at the age of 100.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Nobel Peace laureate and former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, behind the campaign to eradicate dracunculiasis, dies at 100.
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Nableezy (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

• Definite Support No questions about it, as a former president and humanitarian that recently passed away. He a left lasting legacy and impact on the world. -- Rager7 (talk)
• Support blurb - obviously. No quality concerns as its a GA. --estar8806 (talk) ★ 21:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb The death of a former US President is notable, and the story is being reported by basically every source. Gust Justice (talk) 21:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Strong support blurb - A bit more of an update is needed, and a few floating "is" etc are still about, but obviously this should be a blurb. Departure– (talk) 21:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

These seem to have been fixed. Mooonswimmer 21:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Strong support - Death of a former president. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 21:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Strong support blurb Oldest former U.S. president ever and it's a GA. - Sebbog13 (talk) 21:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Strong support blurb Oldest former U.S. president ever and it's a GA. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 21:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support blurb - I've been vocal about the US-bias of many nominations here. But this is a no-brainer. Nfitz (talk) 21:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Strong support blurb This should be an uncontroversial one. No quality concerns. May he rest in peace.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb no brainer, article is in good shape Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 21:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb, Normally against US-bias but I think this is a fairly straightforward yes to a blurb here. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 21:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Strong support blurb with picture - extraordinarily influential figure, especially given his prolonged and impactful post-presidential career. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Strong support blurb Article is updated and a GA. Mooonswimmer 21:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Posted blurb charlotte ^👸🎄 21:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  Is it a caching error? I don't see it. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 21:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  It should be there now. I couldn't see it earlier either. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb per above. Grimes2 (talk) 21:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Strong support blurb/picture blurb GA article of a significant U.S. president. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 21:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Added altblurb2 -- AFAICT we usually say "president of X" not "X president", e.g. right now with Manmohan Singh. Giraffer (talk) 21:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for the correction! 31.44.227.152 (talk) 21:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support I think it's pretty evident; rest well. Nishi (talk 21:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Strong support blurb with picture, but suggest the following expansion to honor what he described as his most important legacy:

  Nobel Peace laureate and former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, behind the campaign to eradicate dracunculiasis, dies at 100.

  – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 21:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  Weak oppose only the part mentioning dracunculiasis, since it's only briefly mentioned once in the target article. Support everything else. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  I'm adding more; it's probably his most important work in terms of overall impact, but nobody's heard of it. Carter, along with Viktor Zhdanov, is probably one of two human beings who can claim credit for eradicating a major disease. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 21:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  (BTW this isn't me saying this, it's Carter—seeing them dead was his last wish.) – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• Post-posting - charlotte, would you be willing to also add "Nobel laureate" to the blurb, as suggested by the blurbs listed? Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  I don't think him being a Nobel laureate is significant enough (relative to him being president) to include in the blurb, but happy to add it/have it added if consensus here/one of the ITN admins think it should be there. charlotte ^👸🎄 22:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  That was the blurb supported by everybody? nableezy - 22:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality (but its been posted so too late for this) - the article does not provide a reason why he was a great or major figure - even though I know this should be the case. The Legacy section addresses his mediocere presidency but does not touch on his post-presidency efforts which is where this factor is coming from. I know this can be made, either from existing sources or from the obits coming out, but this should really be in place, a crystal clear section for reader to review of why a person was posted as a blurb on death, rather than all the hand-waving that is going on. Also, we should not be assuming that every former world leader should be blurbed. Masem (t) 21:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  Your wishes are demanding. Support addition of Nobel Prize laureate, only presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Barack Obama, Al Gore (Vice) are recipients. Grimes2 (talk) 22:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  The final paragraph of the lede & the lengthy Post-presidency (1981–2024) section do a fine enough job articulating his post-presidency efforts that opposing posting altogether is a bit much. That said, there is a lot of information in Post-presidency of Jimmy Carter which could be used to further expand the section on his main biographical page.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  The statement in the lede "but his post-presidency period (the longest in U.S. history) has received near-universal praise, including a Nobel Peace Prize in 2002." is not directly supported by sources in the bio article, though I'm sure the post-presidency article has that. This is a quality issue that should have been addressed before posting; I'm not doubting this, but absence of this type of information with sources on the main bio page is a problem even if that seems apparently obvious. Masem (t) 04:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• Post-posting support RIP. Davey2116 (talk) 22:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support for it being posted. Storied career, amazing, that he had such long marriage. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting support, at least he made it to 100. Sahaib (talk) 23:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Can Nobel laureate be added to the blurb as the nomination that all the support votes at the time of posting were referencing? Carters post-presidency is widely regarded as a defining trait of his life. nableezy - 03:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support addition of Nobel laureate, as this is prominently noted, often in the headlines, for major media sources covering this death. BD2412 T 03:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting support: Rest in peace to an incredible man, while not the most spectacular during his presidency, he definitely shaped a shining legacy after leaving office. Carter will continue to live on as one of the most memorable presidents the United States has ever had. Tofusaurus (talk) 03:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting support Article is in good shape, has been updated to the bone and Carter is an example of what warrants a death blurb. Remarkable legacy, treated harshly by history. Rest well, to a great humanitarian and humble being. Support adding Nobel to blurb I mean, he's also a nobel winner and most obits are including his laureate status to their headlines as well. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Added Nobel laureate. charlotte ^👸🎄 08:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Queen of Hearts: please could you revert this. You were correct in your comment above. There is a standard format for death blurbs, particularly of former leaders, and we don't usually "editorialise" in ITN blurbs. Him being the preskdent is the reason he's blurbed rather than his Nobel prize, and it should simply state that, in the same way as the former Indian PM further down. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  That isn’t editorializing and since when did we substitute an admins judgment over consensus for a blurb? nableezy - 09:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  It's totally editorializing. Inserting fluff about Carter winning a Nobel prize that isn't really relevant to the story of his death. To maintain NPOV and avoid bias at ITN, we stick to a standard blurb format for all politician deaths rather than going with bespoke wording for individuals that people happen to like, based on whatever random WP:LOCALCONSENSUS forms. Henry Kissinger also won a Nobel prize, but our blurb on him made no mention of that, so why the difference here? Admins are precisely supposed to use their judgment in these matters, as indeed charlotte did above, that's always been part of the remit.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  I have to agree with Amakuru, no need to add extra honours when its the office that he held that the vast majority of the world know him for. We didn't list Singh with his Indian of the Year or his Adam Smith awards so why do we need to further decorate Carter when President is prestigious enough. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  Removed the Nobel. Stephen 12:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  To be fair, the Adam Smith Prize or the Indian of the Year honor is not even close to the Nobel Prize. When Kofi Annan died, we listed his Nobel honor into the blurb. Same with Shimon Peres. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  That isn’t fluff, and there isn’t any overriding consensus that you can point to to claim that this is a local one that can be ignored. This is one of his main legacies, his work for habitat for humanity and the Carter center are absolutely as notable as his presidency. It is not fluff, it is not editorializing, and that part of the main page is not the fiefdom of a few admins here. This should be restored and this discussions consensus respected. nableezy - 12:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  Even if his work for habitat for humanity and the Carter center are absolutely as notable as his presidency, a questionable premise, he would be notable for that and not for being a Nobel prize laureate. Look at the first sentence of his article as it's always been: Only mentions president (and later humanitarian), no mention of Nobel laureate. The article itself indicates that being a laureate wasn't notable at all in comparison to what he's actually primarily known for, which is a president of the United States. Therefore (imo), saying that he's a Nobel prize laureate in ITN would indeed fall under UNDUE editorializing fluff. spintheer (talk) 02:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  Only mentions president (and later humanitarian)
  So... it mentions the work that earned him the Nobel Prize. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 02:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  He's notable for his work as a president and a humanitarian, not for being a Nobel laureate or the receiver or any other prizes (or otherwise) that resulted from his work as a president and a humanitarian. If you want to push for adding in the blurb that he was a humanitarian, be my guest. spintheer (talk) 02:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  Its almost as if your point hadn’t been proven false before your first response here nableezy - 03:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  My point is that if the article indicates that Carter's notable for first being a president, and second being a humanitarian, ITN should reflect that and not go off on its own bizarre mini RFCs to establish local consensus about Carter's notability outside of the article's talk page. If you want to establish that Carter was as notable for being a Nobel lauereate as he was for being the president of the United States or a humanitarian, then first get that changed in the first sentence of the article and then come back here and have the blurb reflect this change. spintheer (talk) 04:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  Every death blurb (for death by old age or other natural causes) leaves it as the principle profession that the person had, and avoids editorization. Definitely should not be adding "Nobel winner" here. — Masem (t) 13:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  And just to add, keeping the death blurb to just the profession prevents further bickering around the whole death blurb nomination aspect already. The inclusion of profession and profession only is a nice neutral way to present the blurb without trying to fight consensus on what other apsects to include. If the article is of good quality, other key factors (like Carter's humanitarism) should be identified within the lede. — Masem (t) 13:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  That isn’t true as demonstrated by the examples cited already. Whatever, this place doesn’t exactly abide by our rules anyway, what’s one more example? nableezy - 13:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  For the record, media reporting on the death widely reference the Nobel Prize in what would be the equivalent of our blurb. See:

  • Reuters: "Jimmy Carter, former US president and Nobel Peace Prize recipient, dead at 100"
  • ABC News leads with "Jimmy Carter, the former U.S. president known as a champion of international human rights both during and after his White House tenure and who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002 for his lifetime of dedication to that cause, has died at 100";
  • The Washington Post leads with "Jimmy Carter, a no-frills Southern governor with a mile-wide smile who was elected president in 1976 and served only one term before leading an extraordinary post-presidential life that included the Nobel Peace Prize, died Sunday at his home in Plains, Georgia...";
  • BBC News reports, "after leaving the White House with low approval ratings, his reputation was restored through humanitarian work which earned him the Nobel Peace Prize";
  • The Guardian reports that "Carter spent the decades afterward focused on international relations and human rights, efforts that won him the Nobel peace prize in 2002";
  • The Associated Press blurb on the subject says "Former President Jimmy Carter, a Nobel Peace Prize winner and the longest-living chief executive in U.S. history, has died".

  This is not fluff, this is the key fact. BD2412 T 17:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• Post posting support blurb No brainer support for death of former head of state/government. News across the world, article is in fantastic shape. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support inclusion of Nobel Prize and agree with other supporters above, his article quotes Polls of historians and political scientists generally rank Carter as a below-average president. Scholars and the public more favorably view his post-presidency, and winning a noble prize precisely shows this with other things. It may seem editorializing to few, but many disagree. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 17:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment This was closed, who reopened it? Can someone re-close it? Further blurb deliberation should be at WP:ERRORS. Departure– (talk) 17:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  This is an editorial decision, not a content error.—Bagumba (talk) 19:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  Significant blurb changes are at ITNC. Errors are used only for small corrections. — Masem (t) 19:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support including something about the humanitarian post-presidency career (e.g. the Nobel), which is the thing Carter is known for. It would make more sense to cut out the presidency TBH. (Though I wouldn't do that either). – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 19:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: all blurbs in this widely-supported nomination mention the Nobel Peace Prize, showing a very clear consensus for its inclusion. So why are we unilaterally not including it? RachelTensions (talk) 21:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Adding my support for including "Nobel Peace Prize laureate" in the blurb; his post-presidency was arguably as transformative as his time as president, and has received comparable RS coverage in the obits. Given that all the proposed blurbs included the Nobel, I did not feel the need to state this in my !vote above. Davey2116 (talk) 22:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose mention of Nobel Prize per Amakuru as it is editorializing the blurb to choose to add that secondary piece of info, which wasn’t included in Henry Kissinger’s blurb. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 05:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• (edit conflict) Restored Nobel to the blurb. It's been in the blurb candiates from the beginning, and there is consensus since the post for its inclusion. As mentioned above with Annan and Peres previously, it's not unprecedented. In other fields, I also see some recent examples beyond a simple listing of their occupation.[20][21] This is not required, and there are merits to avoiding squabbles with a more vanilla blurb. But there's no current rule at WP:ITN barring it, and the community can apply WP:WEIGHT, where needed, as was done here. This is consistent with the WP:YESPOV policy:

  As such, the neutral point of view does not mean the exclusion of certain points of view; rather, it means including all verifiable points of view which have sufficient due weight.

  —Bagumba (talk) 05:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  The community establishes WP:WEIGHT in the article's talk page, not in ITN. The article indicates that Carter is first and foremost notable for being a president and secondarily as a humanitarian, not for being a Nobel laureate. If ITN doesn't directly reflect that's written in the corresponding article, this sets a ridiculous precedent where anything can be written in ITN blurbs so long as there is local consensus for it here (if tomorrow we'll have a blurb that Carter has come back to life while the article's obviously unchanged, and enough people vote for that blurb, would that also be posted?) ITN discussions have significantly less editorial rigor and oversight than an actual article talk page, and shouldn't be the place to make substantive arguments about content, especially ones that very clearly would not, and have not, passed in the article's talk page itself (e.g. in this case that Carter's Nobel prize is anywhere near as notable as his occupation as a president). spintheer (talk) 06:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  this sets a ridiculous precedent: I had written, "This is not required". This blurb, in itself, does not set a precedent, any more than Annon or Peres did. The community is free to update WP:ITNBLURB to provide more guidance to posters on blurbs w.r.t. article leads, if there is consensus. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 07:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  He was a noted humanitarian, not a Nobel prize winner. And which Nobel anyways? Explains nothing about what the prize was for. Stephen 09:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  The blurb says Nobel Peace. Nobody had proposed humanitarian in the blurb, but feel free to gain consensus whether it makes more sense to be generic. —Bagumba (talk) 09:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Post-posting support for inclusion of some mention of his post-presidency humanitarian efforts, whether that means mentioning the Nobel Peace Prize or some other language. (I already !voted so this second !vote is only on the language and not the notability or quality.) It isn't a double standard that we didn't mention this for Kissinger. It was simply less relevant for Kissinger and more relevant for Carter. The post-presidency work Carter did to earn that Nobel was arguably more transformative than anything he did in his role as president, so mentioning it separately from his presidency makes sense. The same can't be said of Kissinger. I'd still be fine with replacing the word Nobel Laureate with the word humanitarian since some editors take issue with the decoration, but I'm also fine with just leaving it how it is right now and keeping the Nobel Laureate phrasing. Just as long as the phrasing acknowledges that this is a unique case where him being the president was perhaps not even the most important thing he did with his life. This isn't setting a dangerous precedent or slippery slope, he legitimately may be the only president in US history and one of few leaders worldwide who left the highest office in the land and then went on to do bigger and better things after that.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 14:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  simply less relevant for Kissinger is an opinion and the double standard here. Both individuals won a Nobel prize, and the articles of both individuals indicate that neither are notable for receiving that Nobel prize. The only discernible difference is personal opinion in ITN. spintheer (talk) 15:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  It would be a double standard if my position was that the Nobel Prize is itself inherently blurbworthy, but that isn't my view. It's worth mentioning separately for Carter because the reason why he received the award was for noteworthy contributions separate from his presidency. Kissinger's award was for his official duties as the Secretary of State, not for something separate. It's not about liking Carter more than Kissinger. For transparency I also won't deny that myself and likely many others do hold Carter in higher regard than Kissinger, but this isn't relevant to the discussion or the reasoning. It's simply about communicating that Carter's post-presidency is at least half of the reason why he's blurbworthy, even to those who are against blurbing just any former US president. With Kissinger, his time as Secretary of State was the sole reason. As I said before, I'm fine with replacing the award with the word humanitarian if it looks too decorative. I just don't take issue with the current wording.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 16:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, then say humanitarian, not nobel laureate. Ok, it looks like this isn't going to change, but this is an error that'll come back to bite us the next time somebody decides to editorialize some other news event. spintheer (talk) 16:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Remove Ongoing: 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon

Article: 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: The Ongoing section would benefit from some shortening, and this item seems like the best candidate for removal. The Israeli incursion in Lebanon is not in the news anymore (and the last event mentioned in the article dates back to 17 Dec). This is in contrast to the war in Gaza, or Israel's actions in Yemen, which are much more prominently covered in global news. Khuft (talk) 19:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Support removing—looks like the most sensible thing to trim. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 23:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• Strong oppose the only reason nothing is happening is because the 2024 Israel–Lebanon ceasefire agreement is in place. However than will end soon as it is only a 60 day ceasefire. 22:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC) History6042😊 (Contact me) 22:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  If it ends and the war restarts, we post again PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Im wondering if maybe we need to do a () next to Israel-Hamas war with all of the other Middle East battles that are also involving Israel, like Lebanon, Yemen, Syria, so on. TheCorriynial (talk) 20:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

There was a recent suggestion to include the entire listing of conflicts in the Middle East, but the problem is that they are not all directly related. While we can point to the Israel-Lebonon conflict as directly related to the Israel-Hamas one, events in Yemen or Syria are absolutely not part of that. That makes it all synthesis to combine them all. --Masem (t) 21:02, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support removing, no updates recently. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support removing This is no longer hot, as indicated by lack of recent updates. There are low intensity incidents happening and might continue for months, but does not justify "Ongoing". Tradedia^talk 02:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose not only has Israel violated the ceasefire almost every single day its been in force, but there is no signs that they are going to continue the ceasefire after its 60 days. Scuba 15:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Ongoing is not about if the event is still going on, but if the target article or an appropriate subarticle has been receiving updates, which has not been happening here. — Masem (t) 15:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support removal Lack of recent updates; per nom. If hostilities resume after the ceasefire, this can be re-nominated for addition at that time. Spencer^T•C 06:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
• Removed There's consensus for removal. If things flare up again, for example when the ceasefire expires, we can re-evaluate the situation. Schwede66 07:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Houston Tornado Outbreak

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Article: Tornado outbreak of December 28–29, 2024 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tornado outbreak in the Houston Area killing 2 people and injuring many others (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 2 people dead after tornado outbreak in the Houston area

• Support but with a completely reworded blurb. Three or more are dead, so the blurb is innacurate. How about "At least three people are killed during a widespread tornado outbreak across the Southern United States." I oppose adding an image as of now.

Meh. oppose per below. E_F⁵ 20:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Seems pretty minor, hard to find coverage outside the US media. Nfitz (talk) 20:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Strong oppose - not important overall. @EF5: we hardly post tornado outbreaks on ITN, and the smallest one I think that got posted was Rolling Fork's outbreak. The most recent was March 31, 2023, and almost every outbreak since then (with the possible exceptions of May 25 and April 26) have been well below the bar of importance for ITN. I'll add conditional weak support if the record-breaking claim of the Port Arthur tornado's duration is confirmed, but I highly doubt that. Departure– (talk) 20:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Not significant, at least not yet. Very minor. Setarip (talk) 20:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The oddness here is how late in the year this came, likely a result of global warming, but even with that, the relatively small death toll makes this a minor outbreak in the larger scheme of things. --Masem (t) 21:00, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  Late-season outbreaks have always happened. We posted the last big December outbreak (the one in Kentucky, USA) on merit as an outbreak, not based on climate change. I couldn't tell you why actual climate-change related blurbs (such as the yearly "hottest day in history" blurbs) never get posted. Departure– (talk) 21:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  Because as long as there's little progress to stall climate change by major nations, these records are always going to get broken year after year. And the 2021 outbreak was likely posted due to the high death toll (70+). — Masem (t) 22:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose Tragic, but it’s a typical tornado outbreak. Two deaths is very small compared to very notable tornado outbreaks like the 2011 Super Outbreak. INeedSupport 🎄 21:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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(Ready) 2024–2025 Georgian constitutional crisis

Article: 2024–2025 Georgian constitutional crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 2024–2025 Georgian constitutional crisis continues with Mikheil Kavelashvili inaugurated and Salome Zourabichvili claiming to remain President. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 2024–2025 Georgian constitutional crisis continues with Mikheil Kavelashvili inaugurated while Salome Zourabichvili says she remains President.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Amidst opposition protests, Mikheil Kavelashvili inaugurated President of Georgia.
Alternative blurb III: ​ A governmental crisis occurs in Georgia, as Mikheil Kavelashvili is inaugurated as president while incumbent Salome Zourabichvili intends to remain in office.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Mikheil Kavelashvili is inaugurated as President of Georgia while incumbent Salome Zourabichvili intends to remain in office amidst a constitutional crisis.
News source(s): Al Jazeera; The Guardian; Associated Press; BBC
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Boud (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The 2024–2025 Georgian post-election protests that have accompanied this crisis have been ongoing daily for two months with the biggest participation estimated at around 100,000 people - several percent of the total Georgian population. Boud (talk) 11:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment The expression "claiming that" is a bit WP:WEASELly; and Salome Zourabichvili stating that she retains her legitimacy as President would be more neutral, avoiding the connotation that Wikipedia is sceptical about her POV. I've added altblurb which seems less weaselly to me. Boud (talk) 11:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Ongoing? The nomination is not clear whether it's proposing this as an ongoing entry. Many other places have ongoing political tensions and rivalries so I reckon we need some big incident or civil war for this to stand out. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  The event itself - the overall crisis - is ongoing, but the Western mainstream media news coverage is not intense enough to justify ongoing in the ITN sense. This is not a proposal for ITN "Ongoing". In terms of the wording, it would be inaccurate to suggest that today's inauguration was a sudden crisis - it's a key symbolic event within the overall crisis - so "continuing" in the blurb is accurate. Boud (talk) 12:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Definitely has more encyclopedic value than the electoral college vote a few weeks earlier. Depending on how the world reacts, it could be a repeat of the 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis. Scaramouche33 (talk) 13:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose There is a similar Ongoing constitutional crisis in Somalia, WP:ITNUPDATE. QalasQalas (talk) 16:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  Response Somalia has been in a civil war for decades now, it has gotten its place in the spotlight but has faded away with time. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 19:15, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• strong weak support altblurb2 came here to nominate it, glad to see I was beaten to it. The inauguration is perhaps more important than the non-popular election itself with the repercussions per Scaramouche33 (day-before form PM and GD leader was sanctioned with many other by the state department). What the now former president claims is not relevant encyclopaedically/ITN. It is for the sub-article/s though. She'll likely be arrested before the new year if not tonight. It's 21:15 atm. Doesn't seem like much more than western msm blather quoting a french woman, she has left the presidential palace, despite claiming there is a train there and who will move her.Sportsnut24 (talk) 17:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  Support Definitely something to take note of. Additionally, I suspect Russia might invade Georgia again, to prop up the Dream Party. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 19:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb 3 per above. Added altblurb 3. Departure– (talk) 21:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

oppose altblurb3 she has left the presidential palace. She cannot conduct an enforeceable actions such as signing bills.Sportsnut24 (talk) 21:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support No one knows who the president of georgia is now, but it is an inauguration Setarip (talk) 21:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

everybody knows who the new prez is after being sworn in with his predecessor leaving the presidential palace.Sportsnut24 (talk) 21:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Leaving Orbeliani Palace has some but not much significance; it's not the presidential palace, it's a presidential palace; Zourabichvili was the first president to reside there: "Salome Zurabishvili to relocate Presidential Residence from Avlabari to Orbeliani Palace", 29 Nov 2018. Boud (talk) 01:41, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Important enough in the context of cold war between East and West. Georgia is one of the battlegrounds. Tradedia^talk 02:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support Article is a bit short for a leadership dispute of this magnitude, but it's good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  Support Per TDKR. ArionStar (talk) 13:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  @admins, please, check the consensus. ArionStar (talk) 02:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  Comment The article has increased in length, and attracting more editors to these articles would be useful, since the situation is even more complicated than stated in any of the blurbs: most of the sources seem to say that the de facto ruler of Georgia is a third person, Bidzina Ivanishvili, but they also consider it so obvious ("everyone" knows it) that it's not worth paying much attention to. Wikipedia content about his role in this context will improve with more people editing with good sources. I'm not proposing to change the blurb further - I would go for either Alt I or Alt IV. (Alt II seems a bit narrow, focussing on the protests rather than the broader political/institutional crisis. Alt III is not quite correct, since in principle, the government is run by the prime minister.) Boud (talk) 18:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  Blurb IV is ready. ArionStar (talk) 20:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support - A major political crisis. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Schwede66: It's ready. ArionStar (talk) 14:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Jeju Air Flight 2216

Article: Jeju Air Flight 2216 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Jeju Air Boeing 737-800 crashes at Muan International Airport, South Korea, after hitting a fence while attempting to land with 47 casualties reported out of 181 passengers on board. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 47 people are killed when a Jeju Air plane carrying 181 passengers crashed at Muan International Airport in South Korea.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Jeju Air Flight 2216 crashes at Muan International Airport, South Korea, killing at least 47.
News source(s): (Bloomberg)
Credits:

• Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)
• Created by Dora the Axe-plorer (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I think it needs a bit of work.

• Support Absolutely horrific footage, definitely worthy of the front page. --MaximumMangoCloset (talk) 02:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support holiday season is deadly this year. ArionStar (talk) 02:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  Terrible year for Korea PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Absolutely three deadly crashes within a month. QalasQalas (talk) 02:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support A no brainer, major plane crash with dozens of fatalities. JDiala (talk) 02:18, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt Blurb III Article probably needs its quality improved, but absolutely a notable event. RandomInfinity17 (talk - contributions) 02:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt Blurb II in line with the Flight 8243. Also, the death toll has reportly risen to 47. Unnamelessness (talk) 02:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Considering that if the death count ends up being over 132 it will have been the deadliest crash since 2020, this is quite a major incident and it deserves to be here. (offtopic but why was both the start and end of this year so bad for aviation?) interstatefive  02:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support could become the deadliest crash this year with 178 possible fatalities and its already the second deadliest. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 9:49 PM, 28 December 2024 (EST)
• Strong Support Dozens of fatalities have been found. Major news coverage. Article is a bit short but that is because there is no conclusive info yet, as the incident happened three hours ago. Wildfireupdateman (talk) 9:49 PM, 28 December 2024 (EST)
• Support seems to have extensive coverage from South Korean News sources, some western sources are also picking up on the accident. Yosh56 (talk) 10:02 PM. 28 December 2024 (EST)
• Strong support altblurb 2. For a new disaster article less than half an hour old it's of fantastic quality. This might be less geopolitically important than the crash in Kazakhstan but the human toll is telling. Departure– (talk) 03:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Altburlb II Fatality numbers can be updated via WP:ERRORS#Errors with "In the news". – robertsky (talk) 03:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

December 28

Portal:Current events/2024 December 28

December 28, 2024 (2024-12-28) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Winter of 2024–25 in the Gaza Strip, Gaza Strip evacuations The Gaza Strip Government Media Office reports that 110,000 out of 135,000 tents used as shelters by displaced Palestinians have "completely deteriorated" and are now unusable due to strong winter winds and heavy rainfall. (Al Jazeera) Syrian civil war Western Syria clashes Syria's new government announces "a large-scale sweep operation" in Latakia to arrest or eliminate all remaining pro-Assad insurgents and any threats to national security. (Al Jazeera) 2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan skirmishes Afghanistan's Ministry of Defense announces that they targeted several locations in Pakistan in retaliation for Pakistani aircraft conducting aerial bombardments within Afghanistan. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy Homelessness in the United States U.S. homelessness hits a record high in 2024, increasing by more than 18% in the past year, primarily due to high housing costs, natural disasters, and an increase in migration to major cities. (BBC News) Moldova-Russia relations Russian company Gazprom announces the supply of gas to Moldova will cease on January 1, 2025, alleging fails to fulfill its payment obligations. The Moldovan Prime Minister, Dorin Recean, accuses the Russian Government of deliberately weaponising energy flows to destabilise the country. (Euronews). Disasters and accidents Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira Bridge collapse The death toll from the highway collapse between Maranhão and Tocantins, Brazil, six days ago, increases to eleven, with six others still missing. (Correio Braziliense) Tornado outbreak of December 26–29, 2024 At least two people are killed in a tornado outbreak across the southern United States, with damage reported near Houston, Texas. (USA Today) International relations Lukoil oil transit dispute, Ukrainian energy crisis, Slovakia–Ukraine relations Slovakia threatens reciprocal measures against Ukraine's plans to suspend the transit of Russian oil to Slovakia on January 1, including suspending electricity supplies. In response, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy accuses Slovakia of opening a "second energy front" against Kyiv under Moscow's orders. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime The Afghanistan's Taliban government bans windows overlooking to places "used by women", and says that existing ones should be blocked. (RFI) Politics and elections 2024 Mozambican general election 2024 Mozambican protests At least 13,000 Mozambicans flee the country into Malawi amid widespread civil unrest due to the results of the recent general election. (DW) 2024 South Korean martial law crisis Impeachment of Han Duck-soo, Impeachment of Yoon Suk Yeol Impeached South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol is accused of ordering the authorization of the use of live firearms to stop MPs from overriding the martial law vote and to force the MPs out of the National Assembly legislature building. (BBC News)

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RD: Mary Anne Krupsak

Article: Mary Anne Krupsak (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [22]
Credits:

• Nominated by Engineerchange (talk · give credit)
• Updated by CmdrDan (talk · give credit) and Connormah (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Lieutenant governor of New York --Engineerchange (talk) 15:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support Sources Y, no dead refs, size Y, high quality NYT obit. Summary: passed. Grimes2 (talk) 17:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

(REVIEWERS NEEDED) RD: Martin Karplus

Article: Martin Karplus (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [23]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Math-ghamhainn (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Theoretical chemist, Nobel Prize laureate Grimes2 (talk) 15:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

(REVIEWERS NEEDED) RD: Shigeko Sasamori

Article: Shigeko Sasamori (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Created and nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Survivor of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and an advocate for peace and nuclear disarmament. Died on December 15. Death reported on December 28. TJMSmith (talk) 02:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support The article is mainly based on the NYT obit, but this is ok. Every paragraph is sourced. 2989 characters (465 words) "readable prose size". Article was created on December 31, 2024. Grimes2 (talk) 16:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Kari Dziedzic

Article: Kari Dziedzic (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ‘’Minnesota Public Radio’’
Credits:

• Nominated by Malvoliox (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Sitting Minnesota state senator and former majority leader, hoping to expand the article a little/add electoral history and more details about political work, but also want to make sure we can clean up any issues with citations etc. that I didn’t catch. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 14:50, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• @Malvoliox, the better source needed tag should ideally be resolved. Otherwise, support. charlotte ^👸🎄 01:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Replaced the bad source with a reliable recent one that details the case. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 15:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Charles Dolan

Article: Charles Dolan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:9DCE:E014:DC2:B389 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American billionaire businessman, founder of Cablevision and HBO. 240F:7A:6253:1:9DCE:E014:DC2:B389 (talk) 07:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support, article is well-cited and I don't see any quality issues. Unknown-Tree🌲? (talk) 22:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support, article is long enough and well-sourced, with no apparent issues. Could use some spot verification. Mooonswimmer 01:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Posted charlotte ^👸🎄 01:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

December 27

Portal:Current events/2024 December 27

December 27, 2024 (2024-12-27) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Somali Civil War Constitutional crisis in Somalia Ethiopian–Somali conflict, 2024 Ethiopia–Somaliland memorandum of understanding The United Nations Security Council approves the Resolution 2767 deployment of the African Union Support and Stabilization Mission in Somalia (AUSSOM), effective January 1, replacing the current African Union Transition Mission in Somalia. However, Somalia rejects Ethiopia's participation in AUSSOM amid tensions over a memorandum of understanding that Ethiopia signed with Somaliland in January. Somalia considers the memorandum a violation of its sovereignty and has instead asked Egypt to contribute troops to the mission. (Reuters) (Idil News) (UNSC) Israel–Hamas war Kamal Adwan Hospital sieges Israeli forces forcibly evacuate the Kamal Adwan hospital in northern Gaza. (BBC News) Russian invasion of Ukraine North Korean involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, 2024 Kursk offensive South Korea confirms the first capture of a North Korean soldier fighting against Ukrainian forces in Kursk Oblast, Russia, with the soldier later dying from his injuries. (BBC News) (Reuters) 2024 Baltic Sea submarine cable disruptions, 2024 Estlink 2 incident NATO announces that it will increase its presence in the Baltic Sea in response to the suspected sabotage of Estlink submarine power cables. (Reuters) Estonia deploys its navy to protect its remaining Estlink submarine power cable following the failure of Estlink 2. (BBC News) Red Sea crisis The Houthis launch a ballistic missile from Yemen, targeting Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv, Israel. The missile is intercepted before reaching Israeli airspace. It is the first time that the THAAD missile defense system is used by Israel to intercept a missile during combat operations. (The Times of Israel) (The Guardian) Houthi-run state television reports that American and British airstrikes have targeted the Ma'ain District of Sanaa, Yemen. No casualties are reported. (Anadolu Agency) Israeli–Palestinian conflict A 83-year-old Israeli woman and Holocaust survivor is fatally stabbed by a Palestinian former Shin Bet informant from the West Bank in Herzliya, Israel; the attacker was then shot and injured by police. (The Times of Israel) Business and economy Medog Hydropower Station China announces the formal approval of a proposal to construct the world's largest hydropower dam on the Yarlung Tsangpo river in Tibet. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 Azerbaijan Airlines suspends flights to seven cities in Russia following the crash of Flight 8243 on Wednesday, amid allegations that the plane had been hit by a Russian surface-to-air missile. (DW) United States National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby says that there is evidence that Russia shot down the Azerbaijan Airlines flight. (The Hill) Kazakhstan and Israel suspend flights over Russian airspace in response to the Azerbaijan Airlines crash. (Politico) A traffic collision between a truck and a bus kills eight people and injures 27 others in Veracruz, Mexico. (AP) Health and environment 2023–2024 mpox epidemic Kosovo reports its first case of mpox in a 30-year-old man who travelled to Africa. (Reuters) International relations Georgia–United States relations The U.S. State Department announces sanctions against Bidzina Ivanishvili, the billionaire founder of the Georgian Dream political party. Georgian prime minister Irakli Kobakhidze accuses the United States of "blackmail" over the move. (BBC News) (Al Arabiya) Syria–Ukraine relations, Grain From Ukraine program Ukraine announces that it has sent a shipment of 500 tonnes of wheat to Syria after Russia suspended shipments following the fall of the Assad regime. (The Kyiv Independent) Senegalese prime minister Ousmane Sonko announces the closure of all foreign military bases in the country, citing a decision by President Bassirou Diomaye Faye to remove foreign troops as part of a broader shift away from colonial-era military arrangements. (AP) Law and crime 2024 Zhuhai car attack, Capital punishment in China A Chinese court sentences the perpetrator of the car attack in Zhuhai that killed 35 people to death. (AP) Argentina–Venezuela relations, Conservative wave Venezuelan attorney general Tarek William Saab announces an investigation into a previously detained Argentine National Gendarmerie non-commissioned officer for alleged links to right-wing terrorism. (Reuters) The Montenegrin Minister of Justice approves the extradition of cryptocurrency entrepreneur Do Kwon to the United States over fraud allegations resulting from the collapse of the Terra and Luna tokens. (BBC News) Politics and elections 2024 South Korean martial law crisis Impeachment of Han Duck-soo South Korean prime minister and acting president Han Duck-soo is impeached by the National Assembly after refusing to appoint three Constitutional Court judges chosen by the Assembly to oversee president Yoon Suk Yeol's impeachment case. Finance minister Choi Sang-mok is appointed acting president and acting prime minister. (BBC News) (Reuters) 2024 German government crisis, 2025 German federal election, Scholz cabinet German president Frank-Walter Steinmeier dissolves the Bundestag and schedules new elections for February 23 after Chancellor Olaf Scholz's coalition collapses and no parliamentary majority emerges to form a stable government. (AP)

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(REVIEWERS NEEDED) RD: Ruth Butler

Article: Ruth Butler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Created and nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American art historian and academic. Died November 28. Death reported on December 27. TJMSmith (talk) 03:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support This recently created Article is in good shape, it is fully sourced and has 3065 characters (483 words) "readable prose size". Grimes2 (talk) 15:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

(REVIEWERS NEEDED) RD: Charles Shyer

Article: Charles Shyer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by 31.44.227.152 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Rusted AutoParts (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American film director, screenwriter, and producer. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 22:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Filmography not adequately sourced. Grimes2 (talk) 15:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Charlie Maxwell

Article: Charlie Maxwell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by cbl62 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American baseball outfielder (1947-1964), an All-Star in 1956 and 1957, known as "Sunday Charlie" and "The Sabbath Slugger" for his propensity to hit home runs on Sundays Cbl62 (talk) 23:48, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support well referenced and comprehensive. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Shall we wait till late Saturday to post this on the RD line so that he can appear on MainPage on Sunday (US time)? --PFHLai (talk) 15:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  Fine by me and yes, this does seem appropriate given his nickname. It will have fallen off this page by then, but that should not stop you from posting it at the desired time, PFHLai. I've certainly posted items before that had already been archived. Schwede66 18:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks for your support on this, Schwede66. --PFHLai (talk) 01:01, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Olivia Hussey

Article: Olivia Hussey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:C85F:CD98:861D:B7DF (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British-Argentine actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:C85F:CD98:861D:B7DF (talk) 03:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support, found two uncited claims, which I've added CN tags to. Article is fine otherwise. Support: CN issues now resolved. No more outstanding article issues from what I can see. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 11:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article in good shape, cn issues appear to have been solved. Yakikaki (talk) 18:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. --IDB.S (talk) 00:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Filmography sourcing needs improvement.—Bagumba (talk) 15:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Filmography needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Greg Gumbel

Article: Greg Gumbel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit) and CAWylie (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American sportscaster who called N.F.L. and N.C.A.A. games for CBS. Thriley (talk) 02:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Support First African-American sportscaster to call the Super Bowl. SigKauffman54 (talk) 16:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

That's not relevant here, only article quality is. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now due to justified orange tag for lack of citations. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Fixed up, support. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:48, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
• Not Quite Ready A handful of CN tags and there is currently no mention of his death in the body. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Support -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• @Ad Orientem: & @Muboshgu: Article has been fixed up to shape. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is now in good shape. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
• Posted charlotte ^👸🎄 01:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Kamal Adwan hospital burning

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Article: Kamal Adwan Hospital sieges (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israeli troops attack the Kamal Adwan hospital, the last one remaining in the northern Gaza Strip, forcing its staff and patients to leave (Post)
News source(s): Al-Jazeera, Associated Press
Credits:

• Nominated by Vice regent (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I know there's a daily tragedy in the Israel-Hamas war, but this is significant development given that its the last functioning one in northern Gaza Strip and hospitals have been a critical lifeline for Gazans. Further, burning down much of the hospital[24] is fairly unprecedented even in this brutal war. Feel free to suggest alternative blurbs. VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 20:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose basically covered by ongoing; I don't see how this one specific event is that significant to bring out of that. Just more to add onto the pile of war crime charges that international courts have against Israel here. --Masem (t) 20:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. The Kip ^(contribs) 22:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Covered by ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Already covered by ongoing, and is just one of many war crimes already done by Israel. By far the biggest one done. Setarip (talk) 13:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Sad but not a major event of the war. ArionStar (talk) 19:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) Impeachment of Han Duck-soo

Articles: Impeachment of Han Duck-soo (talk · history · tag) and Han Duck-soo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Acting President of South Korea and Prime minister, Han Duck-soo (pictured) is impeached by the National Assembly. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Acting President of South Korea and Prime minister, Han Duck-soo (pictured) is impeached by the National Assembly and is succeeded by Choi Sang-mok.
News source(s): BBC News, Reuters, South Korea National Assembly E-law Library KWNews (in Korean)
Credits:

• Nominated by Haers6120 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Queen of Hearts (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Impeachement of Acting President of South Korea is unprecedented, and deputy prime minister will be both acting President and acting Prime Minister will also unprecedented. I also feel that we may need an ongoing article title like "2024-2025 South Korea Political Crisis" Haers6120 (talk) 06:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

UPDATE: Han seems accept National Assembly's decision [25]. Haers6120 (talk) 08:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support charlotte ^👸🎄 08:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality the direct cause 2024 South Korean martial law crisis and the subsequent protests are buried deep in the article rather than in the lede and the article goes at length about procedural matters which is great but it's missing all the other context. Furthermore the martial law and protest articles should really be in the blurb. An event infobox would be nice too. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  we could nominate a seperate ongoing article if needed. Haers6120 (talk) 08:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  I disagree that your concerns are enough to oppose on quality, but I will try to work on this. Already added an infobox. charlotte ^👸🎄 08:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support --Takipoint123 (talk) 08:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose SK's government seems to be gridlocked and this impeachment just seems to be a procedural tactic which passed easily because only a simple majority was required as this was considered a ministerial-level matter. It reminds me of the difficulty in getting a stable Speaker of the US House. It's internal politics and there's more to come before they are out of the woods. Other countries such as France and Germany have similar issues and so we should have a fairly high bar for posting. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support significant news from the crisis Setarip (talk) 11:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Change of head of state and effective executive of the nation. And isn't this ITNR? Gotitbro (talk) 11:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it's ITNR, because Han was explicitly only the acting president, and is in his turn only suspended and not deposed. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Well the nom is listed as such and I don't think our ITNR rules for heads of state/government (state leaders) have ever been that granular to exclude such changes [of acting versus normally elected/appointed].

Also, I think we need to appreciate the difference between those countries where single state leaders hold effective power (South Korea) versus where where power distribution maybe more shared (France, Germany that have been cited here). Gotitbro (talk) 15:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose - Clearly the first impeachment following the attempt to declare martial law was major. Following that impeachment and resignation, the role of acting president fell to the PM, which was not meant to be a long-term determination. This impeaching is a result of more political infighting, and nothing specifically that Duck-soo did, and far less impactful than the original impeachment. Its basically a game of partisan musical chairs, since now the finance minister becomes next in line as acting president. --Masem (t) 13:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb Notable event. Han is the first acting president is the country's history to be impeached. This is a significant update from the fallout of the martial law crisis. Also, the altblurb is best as it illustrates the change in power so to speak. Article is in good shape too. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose - While this is significant, it's part of the continuing crisis. As Andrew notes correctly, France and Germany are also both experiencing unstable government at the moment, and we're not posting blow-by-blow accounts of those to ITN, but only the substantive changes at the top. South Korea's situation, while a bit more volatile, is broadly similar. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• France and Germany are bad analogies in this case, not least because South Korea's case already involves an attempted self-coup and two impeachments. Though I ultimately agree that a third blurb about largely the same crisis might be too much, there may be merit in instead adding this to Ongoing (if it can be maintained). Yo.dazo (talk) 16:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Another successful impeachment? Really? Unprecedented event in the South Korea's history. ArionStar (talk) 16:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Support This is another major and unprecedented development in a situation that has already proven itself to be blurb-worthy on at least 2 occasions Rahcmander (talk) 16:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Support For this is unprecedented situation and technically change of head of state. Would oppose another impeachment (which is probable in less than a week) as per Andrew. Didgogns (talk) 18:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support Nobody saw this coming This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk)
• Comment This is an extension of the initial coup. The root cause for both, is that for some reason I can't fathom, having a solid majority in the Parliament, doesn't give you any control of the government. Similar to the issues in the USA, but without the ability of the Parliament to pass legislation, or change the speaker. For some reason the party controlling the presidency and PM believe that letting the other party into power is some existential crisis - hence the extremes they'll go to (first illegally, and now legally). This will continue until a presidential election is triggered. I have no doubt the new acting President will be impeached quickly if he doesn't approve the nominations to the constitutional court. Perhaps South Korean Constitutional Crisis or something should be an ongoing? Nfitz (talk) 03:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  Is there news coverage of the events of this happening near daily? Not really. Just because two events have happened within a month apart doesn't make it an ongoing story, and the ongoing line is far too busy as it is right now to add anything else, particularly something that isn't having near-daily stories. Masem (t) 04:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  I've seen news reports several times a week since the coup, between the coup, and three impeachment votes. Nfitz (talk) 20:45, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Weak Support: This is just a greater part of the coup attempt by Yoon, but something I didn't see coming. TansoShoshen (talk) 10:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

@Admins willing to post ITN: I see consensus to post here. (I am of course far too involved to do it myself.) charlotte ^👸🎄 20:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree that there's consensus. May I suggest that we wait half a day or so? I've just posted the Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira Bridge collapse and it sits in the bottom slot. If we were to post this item now, it'll nuke the bridge article after only a few minutes. Schwede66 20:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Fine with me. charlotte ^👸🎄 20:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Ah I didn't see this conversation before posting the Jeju crash up. The bridge collapse wasn't removed as today's Featured Article slot is just a tad longer. I am uncertain if we want to post up Han's image as it will be adjacent to the plane crash blurb. – robertsky (talk) 04:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Posted, lost the probe and kept the bridge collapse for a bit longer. Stephen 04:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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