Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wales

Gruffydd ap Llylweyn family name discrepency

I started a Talk:Gruffudd ap Llywelyn ap Iorwerth#Family naming inconsistency about a discrepancy I discovered to do with the spelling of the name Gruffudd in articles related to Gruffydd ap Llywelyn's family. Anyone care to give some advice as to how to deal with the situation? Cltjames (talk) 17:36, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Sometimes, if you want a job done you have to do it yourself. Simple explanation; consistency is needed & Gruffudd was the original modern spelling before a newer Gruffydd, therefore when historians first referred to Gruffydd (Griffiths) they would have pronounced the name with the 'u'. Simple amend, done! Cltjames (talk) 00:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Wrexham § a city or the former town/city centre of the City of the County Borough of Wrexham?

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Wrexham § a city or the former town/city centre of the City of the County Borough of Wrexham?. Do we interprete the Letters Patent literally, and regard the City to be Wrexham County Borough and not Wrexham, which in turn is something, anything but "city". DankJae 16:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Aneurin Bevan

Aneurin Bevan has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 16:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Informal discussion

An informal discussion of article issues, a "Before opening a reassessment", has been initiated at Talk:Dylan Thomas#Article issues and classification -- Otr500 (talk) 14:59, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Heneb: the Trust for Welsh Archaeology

We should probably have an article on Heneb, the successor body to the four Welsh Archaeological Trusts, which was established this year, [1]. Is there any preference as to title: Heneb or Heneb: the Trust for Welsh Archaeology? The former is simpler, the latter gives the reader a clearer idea as to what Heneb is. KJP1 (talk) 07:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd be inclined, initially at least, to simply make a redirect from Heneb to Welsh Archaeological Trusts until we see how Heneb is run and develops. It tends to be the individual archaeological trusts that are cited in articles, I think. Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's certainly true at present. Even Heneb’s own website comprises a single webpage, with links to the four trusts, in effect a re-direct itself. I'll do that for now and we can see how it develops. KJP1 (talk) 09:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@KJP1, @Tony Holkham, when I updated the pages a while ago on the merger, I did plan to make a Heneb page but couldn’t find enough sources then. Prefer Heneb over the name with a description like how Cadw doesn’t have theirs. DankJae 09:49, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

That's fine - I've done the redirect as Heneb, although I originally spelt it wrong! As and when there's more info., we can overwrite the redirect. At present, I can't even see such basics as CEO, board, charity registration, so my suggestion for an article was premature. That said, it certainly exists now. How it can, without any of the basics of corporate governance, is beyond me. KJP1 (talk) 09:56, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

p.s. I did not know that "heneb" is Welsh for "ancient monument". I wonder if they are going to set up their own database of historic sites, with their own set of identifiers. I've never really understood why, beyond the historical, Cadw and RCAHMW/Coflein have their own listing systems for what are, in many cases, the same places. KJP1 (talk) 09:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I looked up news articles and found two that refer to Heneb here and here, but nothing that refers to the establishment of the trust. Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Here are a few refs that might support an article on Heneb

• Council for British Archaeology
• FAME
• Appointments
• Letter heading
• Another letter

Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:52, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

My preference would be to rename/move the Welsh Archaeological Trusts article to Heneb leaving the original name as a redirect. The article on the WATs is an overview of the four organisations rather than on a separate entity, and contains nothing that would not be included as part of one of those articles or as part of the history for Heneb. The article can be reworked to include a history section and an updated overview rather than creating a separate article.

A note on citations - Heneb had always been the website for the Gwynedd Archaeological Trust, so the merger might not cause too many problems with citations from their website, but it may still be worth going through any articles that have citations from here and the other trusts websites and adding archive copies where possible in case these sites stop working after the new-look Heneb site has finished being "under construction". EdwardUK (talk) 14:34, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@EdwardUK, isn’t Heneb based on the Dyfed AT?

Neutral on converting Welsh Archaeological Trusts, as it links the old AT articles together but the article isn’t extensive. Wondered if we should re-approach the (old) trusts themselves, convert them to Heneb regions? Delete them? Merge into Heneb? Or keep historical as now? DankJae 15:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you are right it was Dyfed AT that changed name – but the website address Gwynedd had always used is heneb.co.uk, though checking again I see I made the mistake of thinking that this was the same as the new Heneb site (heneb.org.uk). EdwardUK (talk) 17:23, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:England–Wales border § Recently added maps

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:England–Wales border § Recently added maps. Concerning the graphics, potential OR/SYNTH of maps added in good-faith! DankJae 15:21, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Martha Hughes Cannon

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Draft:Duncan Barber - AfC

Hello everyone. I have created the draft Duncan Barber (businessman). Barber is a welsh engineer and latterly a businessman specialising in aeronautics. He lives in Penarth, and is also a car enthusiast. If any AfC reviewers have the time or inclination to review the draft, I would be most grateful. Thanks - Mac Edmunds (talk) 22:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Now reviewed - perhaps someone might be interested in assessing Barber’s Welsh importance? Mac Edmunds (talk) 09:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Anglesey Central Railway

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Postnominal letters and infoboxes

See Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography#MOS:POSTNOM for discussion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:32, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Draft:William Owen (composer)

Project members may wish to assist this article in passing a draft review (it failed). Here is the subject's entry in the Dictionary of Welsh Biography so the subject is clearly notable. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:10, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Have added a couple of sources, and tidied up a bit. As we have an image, thanks to Jason NLW, we should use it, and the addition of an infobox may help at a subsequent review. Is there anything that could be taken, with attribution, from the existing article on Wicipedia, [2]? Regards. KJP1 (talk) 07:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)