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== Ended for 'personal reasons?' ==
== Is Torchwood back in 2020 ==

I think the most notable thing about Torchwood was the fact they managed to derail and destroy one of the most watched TV series' in history. There are countless primary and secondary sources supporting this. 13 episodes, 13 episodes, mini series, mini series. You tell me where the ratings plummeted. ;) Not to mention they kept screwing the time slots and changed the format of the show entirely and took freakin' years between each season, it went from a TV series to two mini series' with one banal narrative across each. But the article doesn't mention anything but it being on permanent hiatus due to personal reasons; which is kind of unbecoming of any article when the details are public knowledge. Just hoping the editors of this article could pick up their game and realistically address the fact this was a lesson of how to destroy a #1 global franchise, because Doctor Who is following the same tac, especially with the years between seasons and changed time slots. It's ratings are also taking a similar hit, and I can foresee it dropping off the radar again because people just can't be arsed watching a show on TV when they stuff around like that and instead will just download it. [[User:BaSH PR0MPT|BaSH PR0MPT]] ([[User talk:BaSH PR0MPT|talk]]) 23:03, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
:Torchwood wasn't as popular as you seem to state. But your opinion as to why it ended is original research and conjecture; Wikipedia cannot assert its own theories, only report what reliable sources say in a manner which gives due weighting. The fact that it underwent budget-driven format changes is mentioned, as was the critical reception of all the series, so readers can conclude what they like.[[User:Zythe|Zythe]] ([[User talk:Zythe|talk]]) 10:03, 10 March 2014 (UTC)


Could you give absolute confirmation that Torchwood will return to our screens in 2020? [[User:DoctorWhoEditor2|DoctorWhoEditor2]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoEditor2|talk]]) 18:16, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
== Twaddle ==


== Chibnall as showrunner? ==
Thorchwood is twaddle. This ought to be stated. [[Special:Contributions/86.155.0.186|86.155.0.186]] ([[User talk:86.155.0.186|talk]]) 14:35, 21 February 2014 (UTC)


@[[User:TheDoctorWho|TheDoctorWho]] I'm not convinced we should be listing Chibnall as a showrunner for Torchwood, on the basis of a single outlying passing mention that describes him as such. The first line of [[showrunner]] suggests that a showrunner must be an executive producer, which I think holds true given commonly understood production aspect of the position. Hence Chibnall being far more commonly described as "head writer" for the first two series. I've not seen any substantial indication that he ran the day-to-day production, and the article prose doesn't indicate that either. [[User:U-Mos|U-Mos]] ([[User talk:U-Mos|talk]]) 07:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
== Suzie Costello ==


:I wouldn't say there's an excess of sources crediting him as such, but there are a few others. [https://www.gamesradar.com/camelote28099s-merlin-has-a-major-makeover/ This GamesRadar+ source] for example. [https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-torchwood-return/ Barrowman also refers to him as such in this quote that Radio Times has]. I can't personally speak for the executive producer credit. While I know that IMDb isn't a reliable source, and I would need to actually verify he's credited as such, [https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1163823/ he does appear to be listed as a co-producer] for the first two series, which means he did serve in some sort of producer-related capacity. Similar to your reference of Wikipedia's page on showrunners, I'll also point out that the [[head writer]] article states "{{tq|In fictional comedy or drama TV shows, this is generally performed by an executive producer, who is usually also the showrunner}}" (emphasis on the term ''generally'' which provides room for exceptions). [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 07:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
I find it pretty weird that a main cast member is left out of this article, Indira Varma as Suzie Costello. I tried to put her in but the edits are not sticking so I would not be able to rate this as a good article.
::Okay, in that case I think it would be appropriate to have a footnote that includes all these sources, with wording such as "Some sources refer to Chibnall as a showrunner of the first two series due to his [[head writer]] role". I also think Davies should be listed above him, as he'd also be showrunner of the first two series and more indisputably so. [[User:U-Mos|U-Mos]] ([[User talk:U-Mos|talk]]) 08:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/67.206.162.48|67.206.162.48]] ([[User talk:67.206.162.48|talk]]) 20:54, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
:::I have no objections to that. It's early morning for me, and I'm currently replying on my phone, so I'll make the changes tommorow evening when I have my laptop unless you want to beat me to it. [[User:TheDoctorWho|<span style="color:#0000ff;">'''The'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff">'''Doctor'''</span><span style="color:#0000ff;">'''Who'''</span>]] [[User talk:TheDoctorWho|(talk)]] 08:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Sybil Natawa
::::All done. [[User:U-Mos|U-Mos]] ([[User talk:U-Mos|talk]]) 10:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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june 28, 2014

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Is Torchwood back in 2020

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Could you give absolute confirmation that Torchwood will return to our screens in 2020? DoctorWhoEditor2 (talk) 18:16, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chibnall as showrunner?

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@TheDoctorWho I'm not convinced we should be listing Chibnall as a showrunner for Torchwood, on the basis of a single outlying passing mention that describes him as such. The first line of showrunner suggests that a showrunner must be an executive producer, which I think holds true given commonly understood production aspect of the position. Hence Chibnall being far more commonly described as "head writer" for the first two series. I've not seen any substantial indication that he ran the day-to-day production, and the article prose doesn't indicate that either. U-Mos (talk) 07:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say there's an excess of sources crediting him as such, but there are a few others. This GamesRadar+ source for example. Barrowman also refers to him as such in this quote that Radio Times has. I can't personally speak for the executive producer credit. While I know that IMDb isn't a reliable source, and I would need to actually verify he's credited as such, he does appear to be listed as a co-producer for the first two series, which means he did serve in some sort of producer-related capacity. Similar to your reference of Wikipedia's page on showrunners, I'll also point out that the head writer article states "In fictional comedy or drama TV shows, this is generally performed by an executive producer, who is usually also the showrunner" (emphasis on the term generally which provides room for exceptions). TheDoctorWho (talk) 07:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, in that case I think it would be appropriate to have a footnote that includes all these sources, with wording such as "Some sources refer to Chibnall as a showrunner of the first two series due to his head writer role". I also think Davies should be listed above him, as he'd also be showrunner of the first two series and more indisputably so. U-Mos (talk) 08:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no objections to that. It's early morning for me, and I'm currently replying on my phone, so I'll make the changes tommorow evening when I have my laptop unless you want to beat me to it. TheDoctorWho (talk) 08:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All done. U-Mos (talk) 10:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]