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==Deletion==
==Deletion==
Within a couple of hours of putting this together I get a threat of deletion! The subject is clearly notable. She has won 3 awards which I have now referenced so hopefully that will be enough to prevent deletion for now.[[User:S.tollyfield|S.tollyfield]] ([[User talk:S.tollyfield|talk]]) 22:25, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Within a couple of hours of putting this together I get a threat of deletion! The subject is clearly notable. She has won 3 awards which I have now referenced so hopefully that will be enough to prevent deletion for now.[[User:S.tollyfield|S.tollyfield]] ([[User talk:S.tollyfield|talk]]) 22:25, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
:Yeah, thanks. The problem here is not notability, but our rule [[WP:BLP]] which requires that all biographical articles must contain reiable sources when they are created. There is still much that needs sourcing, such as her biography, so I'm re-adding an appropriate tag. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<font style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">'''&nbsp;Sandstein&nbsp;'''</font>]]</span></small> 06:51, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
:Yeah, thanks. The problem here is not notability, but our rule [[WP:BLP]] which requires that all biographical articles must contain reiable sources when they are created. There is still much that needs sourcing, such as her biography, so I'm re-adding an appropriate tag. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">'''&nbsp;Sandstein&nbsp;'''</span>]]</span></small> 06:51, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
::Obviously a notable author. Nina Allan is one of my favorite writers and I'll see if I can add more info and reference in near future. But this is still a great start to this article. Excellent work.--[[User:SouthernNights|SouthernNights]] ([[User talk:SouthernNights|talk]]) 14:38, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
::Obviously a notable author. Nina Allan is one of my favorite writers and I'll see if I can add more info and reference in near future. But this is still a great start to this article. Excellent work.--[[User:SouthernNights|SouthernNights]] ([[User talk:SouthernNights|talk]]) 14:38, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately there is also another problem here: the text of {{oldid|Nina Allan|632165079|this version}} of the article was copy-pasted directly from [http://www.ninaallan.co.uk/?page_id=20 here]. That is a serious and blatant [[WP:copyright violation|copyright violation]], and quite unacceptable here. The [https://tools.wmflabs.org/dupdet/compare.php?url1=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FNina_Allan&url2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ninaallan.co.uk%2F%3Fpage_id%3D20&minwords=3&minchars=13&removequotations=&removenumbers= Duplicate Detector] shows that there is still unacceptable similarity to the source page. However, since (a) there have been a large number of edits since then, (b) some of the copied material has since been removed and (c) there seems to be consensus that she is notable, I've blanked this for listing at [[WP:CP]] rather than tagging it for speedy deletion as G12. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 14:44, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately there is also another problem here: the text of {{oldid|Nina Allan|632165079|this version}} of the article was copy-pasted directly from [http://www.ninaallan.co.uk/?page_id=20 here]. That is a serious and blatant [[WP:copyright violation|copyright violation]], and quite unacceptable here. The [https://tools.wmflabs.org/dupdet/compare.php?url1=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FNina_Allan&url2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ninaallan.co.uk%2F%3Fpage_id%3D20&minwords=3&minchars=13&removequotations=&removenumbers= Duplicate Detector] shows that there is still unacceptable similarity to the source page. However, since (a) there have been a large number of edits since then, (b) some of the copied material has since been removed and (c) there seems to be consensus that she is notable, I've blanked this for listing at [[WP:CP]] rather than tagging it for speedy deletion as G12. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 14:44, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
I've been in contact with the copyright holder - Nina Allan...who else? - and she says, "If you have further problems with the bots, do get back to me and I’ll give a simple copyright permission, no problem."[[User:S.tollyfield|S.tollyfield]] ([[User talk:S.tollyfield|talk]]) 21:32, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::I've been in contact with the copyright holder - Nina Allan...who else? - and she says, "If you have further problems with the bots, do get back to me and I’ll give a simple copyright permission, no problem."[[User:S.tollyfield|S.tollyfield]] ([[User talk:S.tollyfield|talk]]) 21:32, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
::::::{{replyto|S.tollyfield}} Tell her to follow the instructions at [[WP:DCM]]. Meanwhile, know that copying someone else's work is still intellectually dishonest. <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;">[[User:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span>]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">talk</span>]])</span> 19:11, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Intellectually dishonest - that's harsh, if not abuse! This is not a personal essay that I am claiming as my own work! Apparently the last thing the editors want is any original research. All I have done is copy the basic biographical detail from the author's own website - and frankly where else would you get it? - but then rearrange it into encyclopaedic format - so the appropriate details go into the infobox, etc.
References are then sought from elsewhere. I'm sure this is what everyone does. My mistake was to do this basic work on the Wikipedia page but there is nothing dishonest about it[[User:S.tollyfield|S.tollyfield]] ([[User talk:S.tollyfield|talk]]) 05:49, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
== Copyright problem removed ==

Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://www.ninaallan.co.uk/?page_id=20 and elsewhere. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, ''unless'' it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see [[Wikipedia:COPYRIGHT#Using_copyrighted_work_from_others|"using copyrighted works from others"]] if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or [[Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials|"donating copyrighted materials"]] if you are.) For [[Wikipedia:Copyrights|legal reasons]], we cannot accept [[Wikipedia:Copyrights|copyrighted]] text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of ''information'', and according to [[fair use]] may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original ''or'' [[Wikipedia:Plagiarism|plagiarize]] from that source. Therefore such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our [[Wikipedia:NFC#Text|guideline on non-free text]] for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators '''will''' be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. <!-- Template:Cclean --> [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 20:23, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

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Within a couple of hours of putting this together I get a threat of deletion! The subject is clearly notable. She has won 3 awards which I have now referenced so hopefully that will be enough to prevent deletion for now.S.tollyfield (talk) 22:25, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, thanks. The problem here is not notability, but our rule WP:BLP which requires that all biographical articles must contain reiable sources when they are created. There is still much that needs sourcing, such as her biography, so I'm re-adding an appropriate tag.  Sandstein  06:51, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously a notable author. Nina Allan is one of my favorite writers and I'll see if I can add more info and reference in near future. But this is still a great start to this article. Excellent work.--SouthernNights (talk) 14:38, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately there is also another problem here: the text of this version of the article was copy-pasted directly from here. That is a serious and blatant copyright violation, and quite unacceptable here. The Duplicate Detector shows that there is still unacceptable similarity to the source page. However, since (a) there have been a large number of edits since then, (b) some of the copied material has since been removed and (c) there seems to be consensus that she is notable, I've blanked this for listing at WP:CP rather than tagging it for speedy deletion as G12. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 14:44, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've been in contact with the copyright holder - Nina Allan...who else? - and she says, "If you have further problems with the bots, do get back to me and I’ll give a simple copyright permission, no problem."S.tollyfield (talk) 21:32, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@S.tollyfield: Tell her to follow the instructions at WP:DCM. Meanwhile, know that copying someone else's work is still intellectually dishonest. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:11, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Intellectually dishonest - that's harsh, if not abuse! This is not a personal essay that I am claiming as my own work! Apparently the last thing the editors want is any original research. All I have done is copy the basic biographical detail from the author's own website - and frankly where else would you get it? - but then rearrange it into encyclopaedic format - so the appropriate details go into the infobox, etc. References are then sought from elsewhere. I'm sure this is what everyone does. My mistake was to do this basic work on the Wikipedia page but there is nothing dishonest about itS.tollyfield (talk) 05:49, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://www.ninaallan.co.uk/?page_id=20 and elsewhere. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and according to fair use may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Therefore such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:23, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]