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Palestine-Wales Editathon Project / مرحبًا بكم في برنامج التبادل الثقافي بين فلسطين وويلز

Palestine-Wales Editathon Project

In collaboration with Palestinian editors and Wikimedians of the Levant, I've created a short competition / project over the coming month (August).

Arabic and Welsh-language editors will translate articles from en-wiki; English-language editors can develop existing articles based on Palestine culture. There's are two wish-lists of articles by Palestine cy-wiki editors. As most already exist in English, I've left the list blank, so that editors can choose themselves. If you add the number of kb in the next column, we'll be able to list the editors by number of kb. Take a look at the project page and be prepared for Sunday (1st August). I've met their main organiser, a wonderful person named Bara'a, and would like to arrange a Zoom meeting with her to discuss the project, if you're interested. Let me know on the Project page. And if you know of any past Welsh connections with the Palestinian people or Palestine itself, please get in touch!

The competition is run by Wikimedia UK, and there will be token prizes.

There are five fields of interest:

1. Women
2. Dishes/Food
3. Places of interest
4. COVID-19 Panademic
5. Culture

Enjoy! And any help would be appreciated! Thanks! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 13:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Update and thanks

• New article created in Arabic about Wales : 57
• New articles in Cornish about Palestine: 44
• New articles in Welsh about Palestine: 142
• Articles developed in English on Palestine: 0

Total # of new articles: 242

Year in Wales article layout

I'd like to get an opinion from as many as possible on some recent changes made without discussion. "Prince of Wales" and "Princess of Wales" have been removed from all the articles and replaced with the name of the UK monarch! See User_talk:GoodDay#Question for the discussion. Deb (talk) 15:43, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Having viewed the layout of the Year in Northern Ireland, the Year in England & the Year in Scotland articles. I noticed that they listed the reigning monarch in their Incumbent section. The prince of Wales is not the monarch of Wales, but rather a title. The British (before-1707, English) monarch reigns over Wales. PS - If Wales has left the UK & decided that (for example) Prince Charles is their reigning monarch? I'd like some sources on that. AFAIK, the Welsh monarchy ended in the late-1200's. GoodDay (talk) 15:49, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

PS: I was also planning on adding the legislatures (beginning in 1999) in the Incumbent section of the Year in Wales, Year in Scotland & Year in Northern Ireland articles. Sorry Year in England, you don't have your own devolved legislature. GoodDay (talk) 16:03, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Why should Year in Wales articles copy the Year in England and Year in Scotland formats that came along much later? Deb (talk) 16:44, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

And isn't that point about consistency just a bit disingenuous, GoodDay? As far as I can see, it was you who started inserting the name of the monarch on the Northern Ireland pages (e.g. 1999 in Northern Ireland). I can't see any suggestion on the Year in Wales pages that anyone was alleging that the Prince of Wales was the monarch. You're quite right: "Prince of Wales" is purely titular, and the person has no particular connection to Wales. I can see the argument for getting rid of that bit of information altogether, but substituting the name of the monarch serves no useful purpose. --Craigysgafn (talk) 16:51, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Only four edits in 2021 & less in preceding years. Talk about coming out of nowhere GoodDay (talk) 17:04, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Global edit count of 137,399 on 6 projects. You should have checked, GoodDay Deb (talk) 18:11, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Not an overly big deal. Thus my small print. GoodDay (talk) 18:12, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't oppose removing the British monarch from all the Year in constituent country articles, if the exclusion includes the 'prince & princess of Wales'. Those articles are best served with just the 'first minister' & other local political offices in the Incumbent section. GoodDay (talk) 16:55, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

That's not really up to you as an individual though, is it? Shouldn't you, out of politeness, notify the people who have been updating these articles for years? Deb (talk) 18:35, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, with all due respect to those individuals, they don't own those articles. I would though place an invitation here, at WP:ENGLAND, WP:SCOTLAND & WP:NORTHERN IRELAND, to attend an RFC on this (incumbents) topic. Just haven't figured out yet, where to hold said-RFC. GoodDay (talk) 19:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Update - Proper WikiProject found, RFC begun & invitations hounded out to all 'four' WikiProjects-in-question. GoodDay (talk) 19:42, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Recommendation

Incumbents

• First Minister – Mark Drakeford
• Secretary of State for Wales – Simon Hart
• Archbishop of Wales – John Davies, Bishop of Swansea and Brecon
• Archdruid of the National Eisteddfod of Wales – Myrddin ap Dafydd
• National Poet of Wales – Ifor ap Glyn

An example of what I'm posting about. GoodDay (talk) 17:31, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

RFC invitation

In relation to the above discussion, you're welcomed to an RFC at WP:YEARS. -- GoodDay (talk) 19:31, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with including the Princes (and Princesses) of Wales. They are incumbent postholders, after all, despite their being ceremonial titles. I'm not aware of current Princes or Princesses of Scotland or Northern Ireland, so the comparison with these other countries doesn't make sense. I've no opposition to including the (UK) monarch. Sionk (talk) 21:45, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

See aforementioned RFC & give your input there :) GoodDay (talk) 22:05, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

BTW, England has the Duke of Cornwall & Scotland has the Duke of Rothesay. GoodDay (talk) 22:07, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

The Duke of Cornwall is the same person as the Prince of Wales but has rights only in relation to Cornwall. Please provide the link to the RFC discussion. Deb (talk) 07:10, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

I already have, look above, in my 19:31, 14 August post. GoodDay (talk) 07:12, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Databases for historic sites

I have created a template, {{Coflein}}, that can be used for adding citations from the RCAHMW/Coflein website. It is modelled on the {{Cadw}} and works in a similar way. On the talk page for the Cadw template I have also described a possible way of making that template work for historic sites other than just listed buildings. I hope editors on Welsh historic sites will find both useful, but if there are issues with these that I have missed then any suggestions for error fixes or other improvements would be helpful. EdwardUK (talk) 23:41, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

I have made the changes to the {{Cadw}} template - it can now be used for Protected Wrecks, Registered Heritage Landscapes, Scheduled Monuments and World Heritage Sites in addition to Listed Buildings. EdwardUK (talk) 14:16, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

RfC on including an image of a child wearing the Welsh Not

Hi all. There's an RfC here on including a CG image to illustrate how the Welsh Not and how it was worn by a child. The image to be included is this one on the right, or a very similar image. Thanks! Cell Danwydd (talk) 11:56, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Useful links on the Wikiproject page

When I was creating the template {{Dictionary of Welsh Biography}}, (for adding citations from the DWB) I found the page WP:WALES/DWB, but it appeared to be an orphaned project page. My suggestion is that on the main page of this Wikiproject there could be a section added which contained links to pages like this, also it could have a list of useful sources (similar to the "Resources for editing" section of Awaken the Dragon) along with links to the relevant templates for citing them. EdwardUK (talk) 19:08, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

John Cledwyn Hughes (author)

Hi, I have recently had a short article on the Anglo-Welsh author, John Cledwyn Hughes, accepted on to Wikipedia. The more experienced editors who were kindly helping me suggested I let you know. I would be particularly interested in anyone who could help strengthen the objectivity and add sources as I am the daughter of the writer and it is clearly much better for others to contribute content! Diolch! Kittyo (talk) 09:45, 26 October 2021 (UTC)