Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2012 January 29: Difference between revisions

Browse history interactively

← Previous edit Next edit →

Content deleted Content added

VisualWikitext

Inline

Revision as of 10:59, 29 January 2012

Recent AfDs: Today Yesterday

Media Organisations Biography Society Web Games Science Arts Places Indiscern. Not-Sorted

< 28 January	30 January >

Guide to deletion

Purge server cache

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. JohnCD (talk) 17:50, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rucka Rucka Ali

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

No evidence of notability. Sole citation asserting notability, from Current TV website, appears to be user-submitted content, and is marked as being sourced from subject's own YouTube channel. Note also the name of the Current TV user that submitted the Current TV article. -- The Anome (talk) 10:58, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(Also, this article is linked from quite a few others with out any supporting citation. If this article goes, so should all the unreferenced mentions to it in other articles.) -- The Anome (talk) 12:06, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Similarly the redirects at DJ Not Nice, Justin's Beaver and Toby Queef. -- The Anome (talk) 17:08, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~. I found nothing to suggest that the subjects meets any of our inclusion criteria.--Michig (talk) 12:04, 29 January 2012 (UTC) Actually I just found this, which kind of makes him notable, so I'm now inclined to keep.--Michig (talk) 17:41, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:47, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Weak Keep. ~~Fails to meet our N guidelines~~. Per charting. One need not meet GNG, if they meet our music notability guideline.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:12, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as Michig points out, his albums charted, making him notable. --Muhandes (talk) 13:55, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And although allmusic is usually reliable, here is billboard itself showing an album charting at 8 (peak at 6). --Muhandes (talk) 18:05, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:MUSICBIO indicates where a subject may be notable if they have been in the chart, however, I am not seeing how this subject meets WP:GNG as he lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. Mt king ^(edits) 23:51, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Frankly, I didn't know why we even had an article on an internet pseudonym in the first place.Jasper Deng (talk) 04:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:MUSICBIO#2. - Cavarrone (talk) 08:40, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That only indicates that the subject may meet WP:GNG, however there is no indication that the subject of this article actually does have any significant coverage in which case it fails WP:GNG and just saying passes WP:MUSICBIO#2 does not actually help the discussion, see WP:JUSTAPOLICY. Mt king ^(edits) 09:49, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Never said that charting (and having verifiable evidence of this) is a "proof" of notability, but it is an adequate sign to "presume" notability. If you want deprecate MUSICBIO, or at least remove criterium#2 from it, you're free to propose it, but this is not the proper place to restart the eternal dispute GNG Vs. SNGs. I just note that the last attempt to watering down SnGs related to people was rejected by community (here the discussion). Cavarrone (talk) 11:26, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I added to the article a source with a short biography from Rhapsody, which seems independent and reliable. I also added a BBC News online article about a minor controversy regarding his work, again, very clearly independent and reliable. I'm not claiming these on their own amount to WP:GNG, but they are just two mentions I found in the first two pages of the Google search, and I'm pretty convinced a thorough search will find more. I tend to treat WP:MUSICBIO #2 as supporting evidence in case of multiple chartings, when WP:GNG cannot be directly shown, on the assumption that when an artist is charting multiple times they are bound to be covered, even if I cannot personally find it. Of course, everyone can evaluate for themselves. --Muhandes (talk) 11:11, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:34, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Has charted with his albums. WP:MUSICBIO is meant to show notability in cases where WP:GNG is disputed. If an artist must meet both, there is no point in any other notability guidelines. A412 (Talk * C) 02:11, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. is an established artist and internet personality. Ice Hockey Hero 18:10, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:BAND Criteria states "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart." Reaching single digit rank of the Billboard charts definitely makes one notable. In addition, his songs are known to pop up on Pandora radio from time to time. Jerwong (talk) 03:57, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy Delete per WP:G12 -- the entire article foundation was a close paraphrasing of a copyrighted review. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 05:39, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

LG Optimus7

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Complete original research. I redirected this to LG Electronics, but this was undone by the author. This would need a complete rewrite to be of value to Wikipedia. I would not be opposed to restoring the redirect, but deletion is also a strong possibility (hence the nomination). ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 10:52, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete as copyvio, and redirect to LG Optimus 7: That article looks well, like some sort of review. In fact, it is. It needs to be G12'd. ViperSnake151 Talk 05:29, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete for now, obviously without prejudice against his doing something amazing in the future and becoming notable. Der yck C. 16:45, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bryan Binder

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Film director of questionable notability. Google search on "Bryan Binder" Breakaway (his only directing to date) shows only 11 unique results, none from reliable sources - it's not even listed on his IMDB page, which shows mainly minor assistant roles. A search on the movie claimed to have been written by him shows only 49 unique results, again from questionable sources. MikeWazowski (talk) 07:15, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I've improved on the article to show notability and have included reliable sources and news articles. I also Wikified the article. AuthorAuthor (talk) 19:35, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Appending my original "Keep" post: The Hollywood Reporter article does include Binder's name (in the 2nd paragraph), : http://warbirdsmovie.com/thehollywoodreporter.pdf AuthorAuthor (talk) 19:48, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 07:54, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 12:21, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Only one reference, The Detroit Jewish News, is about him, the others are about the films. That reference is iffy as it his hometown paper. Breakaway hasn't been released and according to IMDb War Birds hasn't started filming, but footage is shown in an interview. Per WP:CRYSTAL, Wikipedia isn't a crystal ball. Should only count on events that have happened. Even if the films were released, I don't he would pass WP:FILMMAKER. Bgwhite (talk) 07:17, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 10:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Alpha_Quadrant ^(talk) 03:22, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete already. Only source is local, any activities pending notability haven't occurred yet. WP:TOOSOON. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 03:27, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the above. Usual Caveats apply, however; if Mr. Binder does direct a major release, or if "Breakaway" comes out and gets coverage, then an article might work. But there isn't enough here to justify an article at present. UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 14:08, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to List of foodborne illness outbreaks in the United States. with no prejudice againt spinning out again if more material comes up Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:32, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2011 United States salmonellosis outbreak

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Minor event, delete per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:EVENT. A salmonella outbreak with 20 ill people, no deaths. Short term coverage only. Good sources, no problem there, but no WP:PERSISTENCE and no WP:EFFECT. Comparable to what is adviced in WP:AIRCRASH. Note that the article itself indicates (in the first source) that this outbreak is not exceptional or severe, and that the title is a bit of a misnomer since a few months before there was "salmonella-tainted ground turkey products that killed one person in California and made more than 100 people ill nationwide."[1] which seems to be another, more severe "2011 US salmonellosis outbreak" than this one... Fram (talk) 10:26, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:23, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:24, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

While the WP:NOTNEWS criticism seems sound, could this still be a merger candidate, perhaps to List of foodborne illness outbreaks in the United States or Salmonellosis#Incidence? An event that doesn't merit standalone article coverage may still merit mention. postdlf (talk) 19:47, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep FDA ruling for the food recall was challenged in court so not a single event, we have the FDA then the court case. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:49, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Norton. It's not the morbidity and mortality that makes it notable; it is the effect on FDA and administrative law that matters. Bearian (talk) 01:26, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- And what effect did it have? Fram (talk) 09:33, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per postdlf. Stifle (talk) 17:15, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of foodborne illness outbreaks in the United States. We do not currently seem to have enough material for a dedicated article. Can be spun off again should it turn out that there is much more to be said about it. Sandstein 08:19, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 10:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to List of foodborne illness outbreaks in the United States, WP:NOTNEWS issue. --SupernovaExplosion (talk) 06:11, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as per above. Presently, this is very short. If more information is added, it could be split into another article. Stedrick (talk) 17:58, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:30, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comtech systems

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Previous Prod with reason "Article on a local IT company with no indication of meeting the notability criteria for companies." Prod (and Notability tag) removed by article creator without comment so bringing it to AfD, on original Prod rationale. AllyD (talk) 09:58, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. ZZArch ^{talk to me} 10:01, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator. -- The Anome (talk) 10:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I don't think anyone could really object if this was speedied as an A7. Note: There appears to be a significantly more notable US company called Comtech Systems.--Michig (talk) 14:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 17:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 17:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I did find the owner of the store being quoted in this article but that's not about the store, and it's a far cry from significant. -- Whpq (talk) 23:00, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:29, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Simple Complications

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Sources do not appear to support notability of either the book or the author. ZZArch ^{talk to me} 09:07, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have cited the novel, which on-line is only available on the kindle store. Surely citing the novel and the author (whom I have spoken to) along with all of the means of contact is valid citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarahaberton (talk • contribs) 09:29, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Unfortunately per Wikipedia guidelines those are all seen as primary sources and cannot be used to show notability, which is what the biggest concern is here. I'll see what I can find, but I'll warn you that most self-published and/or indie books will always lack the amount of reliable sources (WP:RS) needed to prove notability per WP:NBOOK guidelines. It's very hard to pass these guidelines and even some mainstream books have been deleted because they didn't have the necessary qualifications and I'm talking NYT bestsellers here.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:36, 29 January 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79[reply]

Delete. Unfortunately there just aren't any reliable sources out there to show that this book or the author has any notability per [[WP:NBOOK] or WP:AUTHOR. I wish the author well, especially since she's so young and is launching into a highly competitive field, but neither she nor the book have the notability that is required for an article at this time. Like I said above, it's very hard to pass these guidelines since they're so strict and I've seen more established authors get shot down for articles because of them. As far as sources go, they must be reliable second party sources, such as an article by the Huffington Post where the author and/or her book are discussed in depth. Brief mentions, sources put out by the author, and most blogs will not show notability here.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79[reply]

Thankyou for your quick reply and explanation, nobody had so far explained this to me in depth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.118.210 (talk) 10:39, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:45, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. WP:NPASR. I felt the "delete" arguments were stronger, but there was only one valid "delete" !vote apart from the nominator, i.e. WP:NOQUORUM. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 21:58, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Azim Wardak

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

This is the biography of an Afghan civil servant. He held a fairly important position in the Ministry of Commerce (President of International Trade) but I don't think it's the kind of position that generates much media coverage especially in a country where journalism is more complicated than average. There is definitely a complete absence of English sources that discuss him specifically though obviously his name pops up from time to time as in the two references given in the article. There may be good sources in Arabic or in Pashto but I don't know how to Google that. The current article is clearly an attempt to praise his work and integrity but the references provided have nothing to do with the sentences that they are supposedly supporting. In short: the subject does not meet the requirements of WP:BIO. Pichpich (talk) 22:38, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Afghanistan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:28, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:28, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 21:53, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- I added some references and some additional information. IMO if he is notable enough to have his opinion quoted in RS he is notable enough for an article. Geo Swan (talk) 03:45, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The sources you added don't support the existing content. More problematic, being quoted in an RS doesn't make one notable. You're creating a rule that doesn't reflect our guidelines or policies. In particular, there can be no biographical article without sources that provide biographical information. Pichpich (talk) 03:56, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You assert "there can be no biographical article without sources that provide biographical information." And a counter-example would be False Geber -- as I wrote in what a biography should contain and The earliest sockpuppet to be unmasked Issac Asimov felt "False Geber" was significant enough in the history of Science that he selected him as one of the individuals for whom he covered in "Issac Asimov's Biographical Encyclopedia of Science". At the time Asimov wrote about him nothing was known about false Geber, not his real name, birthplace, nationality, religion, where he studied, where he worked. All that was known about him was that he had written a book, under another man's name, that documented a key development in scientific progress.
I suspect your assertion is not policy-based. If it is I have no hesitation in stating that it is a mistake. It is almost always what individuals have said, written, done, that confers notability on them. Individuals whose notability is based on their birth parents, or birthplace, are exceptional.
Yes, ideally, we would want to supply birth-date, education, etc, for every biography. But not knowing that information doesn't strip notability away from otherwise notable individuals. Geo Swan (talk) 17:48, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nice essay but irrelevant in this case. You're suggesting using a rule (quoted in an RS) that would make a school principal notable as soon as a news outlet reports his high hopes for his school's football season. It would also make everyone who's ever held a press-relations job notable. This is madness and it's not supported by current policy. But thankfully, it's also not supported by your essay. Azim Wardak is not False Geber: there are no sources that discuss the sad absence of info on Azim Wardak and no reliable source suggesting that Wardak is in any way remarkable. He held a high post in his country's ministry of trade, good for him. But Wikipedia is not LinkedIn and the threshold for inclusion of biographies is multiple instances of coverage of the subject specifically. Pichpich (talk) 18:16, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Isn't a relevant person, possibly try to autobiography. Thundersport (talk) 16:38, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:43, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Links in the article are dead, irrelevant, or merely evidence existence. The only one that even faintly helps the notability case is the two-sentence quote in the Bangor Daily News. Faintly. References found in web searches mostly evidence existence, not notability. Fails WP:GNG. If better sources can be found, happy to look again. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 09:26, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep If an Afghan is also being written up in Arabic language sources (as noted above), he is probably more notable than English language sources indicate. Pseudofusulina (talk) 05:46, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I never said that he was being written about in Arabic, I said above that there might be sources in Arabic or Pashto. Unless you can actually point to such sources, you can't use them as a basis to keep the article. Pichpich (talk) 11:37, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - For some reason you know there might be sources in Arabic. Your speculation is based upon something, some hint of notability far beyond Afghanistan. Whatever it is based upon, it leads me to assert that notability attaches to an Afghan written about in the Arab world, whether we can find those sources or not. Pseudofusulina (talk) 16:38, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - ??? If I knew of existing sources, I'd provide them and if I had any idea about where to look for additional sources I would obviously share those ideas and look there myself. You seem to base your 'keep' on the idea that I'm withholding information. This is absurd. Pichpich (talk) 17:43, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - Oh, you think Afghans are Arabs, and you suggested there might be good sources in Arabic, thinking Afghans write their histories and news in Arabic. Afghans aren't Arabs. Pseudofusulina (talk) 19:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        Still keep, random, poorly based deletion that fails to assert proper reasons for deletion, other than the proposers thinks such and such a thing might be true. Pseudofusulina (talk) 19:55, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        I said Arabic or Pashto. Pashto because it's commonly spoken in Afghanistan and Arabic because coverage in Arabic of predominantly Muslim countries is sometimes better than what one finds in English. I suppose I should have added Dari to the list. I clearly stated my rationale for deletion: this does not meet the requirements of WP:BIO and if you want to argue in favour of keeping the article, it would be nice if you could address that point substantively. Pichpich (talk) 20:57, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        In Afghanistan it might be more likely they'll be in Dari than Pashto, and minor government officials in Afghanistan won't be covered in the Arab press just because Afghanistan is a Muslim country. In some instances if the official acquires a substantial level of regional coverage you could find information in Urdu or Farsi. If they attain national notability, you might find coverage in the Arab press, but then you might also find it in the English language Arab, Pakistani, and Indian press also.
        "He held a fairly important position in the Ministry of Commerce (President of International Trade) but I don't think it's the kind of position that generates much media coverage "
        
        You say he held a fairly important position, so that's you stating notability. When you follow with "I don't think" you're just giving your opinion without backing up with policy. Do you have any basis in fact for suggesting it doesn't generate media coverage, when you haven't begun looking in the most obvious language, Dari? It's a fairly important position, so I'm okay with that notability. Anyway, that's my say: keep. Pseudofusulina (talk) 04:45, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        Don't confuse "notability" as defined in Merriam-Webster and "notability" in the technical sense used on Wikipedia. What I actually said in my nomination is that I don't see any evidence that Azim Wardak is notable in the latter sense (which is the important criterion) even though some may consider him Merriam-Webster notable. Pichpich (talk) 04:51, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:26, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dennis L. Hansen

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

contested prod. I don't feel the subject passes WP:ACADEMIC. Dearth of biographic material and sourcing. Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 08:41, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Minnesota-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 17:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:45, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:45, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No indication of notability. I could not find any relevant reliable independent sources.IRWolfie- (talk) 19:12, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Web of Science gives an h-index of 20 for "Hansen DL". Unfortunately, it turns out that there are several people of the same name and the one publishing in this field does not get farther than about 3 publications with a maximum of 16 citations. Too early, too soon (and from the alternative name listed in the persondata template, this might be an autobio. I also am puzzled by the link to Prussia and the mention of him being an Eagle scout...) --Guillaume2303 (talk) 19:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No evidence from article or Google searches that this person would meet WP:Notability (academics) or WP:BASIC. Qwfp (talk) 19:24, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Seems to fail standard WP:PROF citations test, as Guillaume2303 has found. Some of the links are broken, others are to generic web pages, while several others suggest that this work was done under the supervision of an advisor, i.e. as a grad student rather than independent scientist. Page created by SPA Gopher79. This is likely to be just a promotion page. Thanks, Agricola44 (talk) 16:20, 30 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]
Delete for lack of evidence of passing WP:PROF and WP:GNG. Note that the REU research called out within the article is not even graduate work; REU stands for Research Experience for Undergraduates. Additionally, the article ASci Corporation on his employer deserves some scrutiny; it was padded with primary sources that I just removed, and I'm not convinced they're notable either. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:34, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Wifione ^Message 18:18, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Electroshock (song)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

I can't find much coverage of this song. It does not appear to pass WP:NSONGS or WP:GNG. Till I Go Home (talk) 07:23, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per reasoning. --JC ^{Talk to me} _{My contributions} 07:57, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Wifione ^Message 15:39, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom.. 3OH!3 Google results are not very promising. Yutsi ^Talk/ Contributions 15:53, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete as {{db-a7}}. Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 12:14, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Gamechanger

If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on another website, please note that this is not a majority vote, but instead a discussion among Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia has policies and guidelines regarding the encyclopedia's content, and consensus (agreement) is gauged based on the merits of the arguments, not by counting votes.

However, you are invited to participate and your opinion is welcome. Remember to assume good faith on the part of others and to sign your posts on this page by adding ~~~~ at the end.

Note: Comments may be tagged as follows: suspected single-purpose accounts: {{subst:spa|username}}; suspected canvassed users: {{subst:canvassed|username}}; accounts blocked for sockpuppetry: {{subst:csm|username}} or {{subst:csp|username}}.

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

This page has no reliable references. The page was recently created by a new user; it is pure nonsense. JC ^{Talk to me} _{My contributions} 06:55, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can now tell that the Facebook page is user-created. As in, it was created by the same person who created this article. --JC ^{Talk to me} _{My contributions} 07:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The sources on the article are unusable (especially the facebook links), the article is written in a highly promotional tone, and above all else, there aren't any sources out there that are about this actual food item. This is absolutely something that should be speedily deleted as unambiguous advertising, except for the various IPs removing the notice. I have a feeling that this might be a snow close.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 07:26, 29 January 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79[reply]

That may have been the user's IP. --JC ^{Talk to me} _{My contributions} 07:35, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also adding a "not a vote" bit to the top of this article since the facebook page is trying to direct people to protest the speedy (and probably this page as well). I want to make sure to let the users know that AfD is not based on a vote and that in order to keep the article, you must show reliable sources per WP:RS. Links to the facebook page, sites that do not mention the item, brief mentions, or to sites that are not considered to be reliable and noteworthy cannot be used as sources to show that this item has notability.07:31, 29 January 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79
Yes, I read the page. --JC ^{Talk to me} _{My contributions} 07:43, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't really mean it for you, but for the random IPs that were popping up and contesting the previous attempts at speedying. Just in case they do get over here before this is closed, I want them to read this bit of info before they decide to just say "don't delete" without any true reason for it to be kept.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:02, 29 January 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79[reply]

Speedy Delete under A7, no indication of notability. --Bryce (talk | contribs) 07:28, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete See all refs from article including https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Gamechanger/305264022846271 . Also, note possible canvassing at that location. I see no redeeming qualities. - UnbelievableError (talk) 07:30, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete - Gibberish. Carrite (talk) 07:47, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, the user who is contesting the page is giving reasons which mean nothing. I just notified the user about removal. --JC ^{Talk to me} _{My contributions} 07:48, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. JC ^{Talk to me} _{My contributions} 08:01, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:19, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Filip Twardzik

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

He doesn't pass WP:ATHLETE, as didn't appear in a fully professional league. Playing in the FA Cup against Scottish Third Division club does not infer notability per BigDom's opinion –Wrwr1 (talk) 06:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 09:04, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 09:04, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 09:04, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Incubate. He "technically" passes WP:FOOTYN, but if that one appearance against a minnow is his only claim of notability, it's clearly not enough to grant him an article. However, he's only 18 and I feel like he is going to get more notable in the very near future, so I think it's better to incubate the article until his notability claims get sturdier. – Kosm1 fent 09:35, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Changing to keep, on the light of his second appearance in a cup match against an FPL team. – Kosm1 fent 20:52, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as he doesn't pass WP:GNG or WP:NFOOTBALL; I would suggest moving this back into Userspace until such time as either GNG or NFOOTBALL are met. Giant Snowman 16:46, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - per this, now meets WP:NFOOTBALL, so notable. Giant Snowman 16:36, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:09, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. On account of his appearance for a team from a FPL against another team from a FPL. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:14, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Also wears ridiculous pink boots. PorridgeGobbler (talk) 20:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment . The Scottish Cup is a notable competition we aren't talking about the first few rounds. This is the fourth round that achieves high coverage. If its a notable competition why do we feel his inclusion isn't warranted now. He meets WP:FOOTYN which i know is not primarily what we use its a thin line as there is loads of articles in a similar position to this one.Edinburgh Wanderer 21:58, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep In the past WP:NFOOTBALL has been extended to cover players making cup appearances for clubs playing in fully professional leagues (several players have articles based on appearances in the Football League Cup). The argument could be made that because this cup game was against a semi-pro team, it doesn't count, but would it be the same if Celtic had been playing St Johnstone? If it is deleted, PorridgeGobbler's secondary rationale is probably the best reason. Number 57 23:25, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Is it indeed the case that an appearance for a club from a fully pro league against a club from a semi-pro league constitutes the passage of WP:FOOTBALL? If so, then shouldn't this be record under WP:NFOOTBALL criterion 2? Mattythewhite (talk) 12:45, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep played in the Scottish Cup again today. This time against ~~St. Johnstone~~Inverness, a fully pro team. I still feel because its a notable competition it shouldn't of been deleted anyway. Guideline needs to be made clearer as there are many articles in a similar situation.Edinburgh Wanderer 14:39, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~:Sorry have at st Johnstone on the brain was actually Inverness. Edinburgh Wanderer 15:22, 4 February 2012 (UTC)~~[reply]

Keep - as per EW, played against Inverness today.see here ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 14:50, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, WP:SNOW. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 04:27, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes point 2 of WP:FOOTYN, even though it was under two minutes. Maybe his manager had been reading the AfD... Cloudz 679 09:12, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:25, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Armored Fist 3

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

To kick off the discussion: While I'm sure enough material could be found to expand this article beyond the current single sentence, it's unlikely it will ever satisfy WP:GNG. The odd review or 2 in industry-focused publications does NOT constitute "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". 108.67.153.215 (talk) 05:34, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

This is a procedural nomination on behalf of User:108.67.153.215, who cannot start this page due to being an IP. I have no opinion either way. Reyk _YO! 06:05, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) • Gene93k (talk) 18:38, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:42, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Besides the ubiquitous download sites, the best I could find was a couple more reviews [2] [3]. Those reviews appear much more high profile than a lot of software that survives AfD. If the CNN review is really CNN, then I would have expected there should be more reviews? Is it possible there are some from sources unavailable online? In the absence of more coverage however, I’m minded to think that we don’t have enough to grant notability.Pit-yacker (talk) 18:45, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep/Create Armored Fist series article/Redirect to NovaLogic#Armored_Fist, enough sourcing exists for something about the game or the series on WP. OSborn^arf_contribs. 18:51, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the Novalogic article seems reasonable. 108.67.153.215 (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - It has received coverage in a variety of reliable, third party sources.
- Gamespot
- IGN
- CNN
- GameSpy
- Allgame, x2

It didn't take very long to find these, so I can't help but think there's plenty more out there too... Sergecross73 msg me 19:38, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As explained in the nomination, reviews don't really count as significant independent coverage. Could you explain why you think this case is different? Preferably with specific reference to Wikipedia policy? 108.67.153.215 (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Quite the opposite, I'd like you to point me in the direction of this "reviews don't really count" guideline. I've never found that to be true at AFD. Here's what matters: They are independent, third party, reliable sources. They are dedicated to the topic at hand, it's not just a passing mention. That's enough to establish notability. Sergecross73 msg me 14:17, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's unfortunate that you don't understand WP:GNG. You'll note I said nothing about reviews being reliable or independent sources, so you're clearly trying to obfuscate the issue. No one could consider them significant, not by any standard any reasonable editor could hold. Personally I'd like to see the quality of games-related articles improved, and deleting non-notable articles is an important step in that. But, whatever, keep games in the ghetto if you care so little. 108.67.153.215 (talk) 08:03, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"No one could consider them significant, not by any standard any reasonable editor could hold." Really? Because it looks like a number of experienced editors have !voted "keep", and with good rationale, so that statement seems rather ridiculous. Judging by the way you spoke entirely in generalities, and then vaguely referenced the GNG, I'm thinking there really isn't anything here left to argue here. It's great you want to improve wikipedia, but remember, we're using Wikipedia's standards, not your personal ones... Sergecross73 msg me 13:42, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per reviews. "reviews don't really count as significant independent coverage." That's nonsense. IP, according to what? SL93 (talk) 13:11, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

According to Wikipedia guidelines. Maybe try reading them sometime? 108.67.153.215 (talk) 08:03, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No guideline says anything about reviews. SL93 (talk) 13:14, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I have now completely rewritten the article, using the 5 reliable sources used above. Started a reception section as well. The sources contain a lot more information about the gameplay itself, but I'll leave that for someone else to write. (I have no interest or prior knowledge in this game, or Tanks in general, so I think I've pretty much exhausted my motivation for this article at this point.) Anyways, clearly passes the WP:GNG now. Sergecross73 msg me 18:09, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- Per Sergecross73's excellent source hunting and rewrite. Reyk _YO! 21:03, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Sergecross73's good work. Significant coverage in multiple reliable sources; subject meets WP:GNG. Gongshow ^Talk 21:36, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:24, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Marc Edelman

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Despite fan assertions to the contrary, this person does not appear to be notable. Claim to fame resides primarily in an ESPN opinion piece, and I do not believe this to be enough to satisfy the GNG, nor do I see any reason to believe that PROF is met. Drmies (talk) 03:58, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – I tagged for notability earlier and spent some time looking for reliable sources. I didn't find things that would contribute to establishing notability. As far as I can tell, this subject fails WP:GNG and is very, very far from passing WP:PROFESSOR. JFHJr (㊟) 04:18, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment he has 7000 hits on Google Books and 800 on Google Scholar. PROF 1 or 7 might pass. Cusop Dingle (talk) 07:42, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- there are at least two Marc Edelmans who are academics, and if one is not careful one gets searches that suggest an incorrect result. A GS search that includes "sports" suggests an h-index of 6 -- well below what would count for WP:PROF. I don't see sufficient evidence of notability elsewhere to get him past any relevant standard. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 10:01, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A very good reason not to make hay of g-hits. Thanks Nomo. JFHJr (㊟) 16:09, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 10:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Professor Edelman has made several contributions to Law Reviews from such prestigious institutions, such as Harvard. A full list of his writings can be found here: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=1145394#reg Professor Edelman has also been regularly cited by the media. A full list of these articles can be found here: http://www.marcedelman.com/media2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by SportsLawJunky (talk • contribs) 19:04, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. A list of his publications is not particularly relevant unless reliable sources have commented on them. Almost every law professor writes a lot of articles. The list of articles that have cited him on his website is more relevant to this discussion, but it's not particularly impressive. Some of the secondary sources are not the best, and many are commenting on the same thing, one particular case. If he were really a notable legal commentator, he would be cited far more often. See, for example, Laurie Levenson.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:58, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The more of these links I see, the more I am wondering about the goal of this article (PR) and the identity of the editor(s) involved. Drmies (talk) 02:38, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that there appears to be a concerted effort to promote him. However, as unseemly as that may be, it isn't directly relevant to the decision we make here.--Bbb23 (talk) 04:48, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cynicism, like humor, has its place. To all our health. JFHJr (㊟) 04:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(laughing) I have a fair amount of both. Sometimes I can't tell which is which.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:14, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. In addition to the above promotional aspects, the page was created by a SPA account. There is a Mark (with a "k") Edelman, who has published in the peer-reviewed law literature, but this person is in private practice and is clearly not the same person as our subject. Marc's CV also lists lots of publications, but almost all seem to be "student journals", e.g. UND Review, Pace Law Review, Wayne Law Review, etc. These are not mainstream, indexed journals, so this publication list will be a bit misleading. This is basically a promotion page for an assistant professor. Agricola44 (talk) 16:36, 30 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]

Yes, there are losers like me on the web that have nothing better to do than "promote" one of my professors on Wikipedia. It's not something I am proud of, but it is what it is. Law school can be very boring at times. Anyway, here are some more links that show other schools(where he does not teach) referencing him and citing to him. Don't know if something like this breaks some other policy or not.

http://www.ufsportslaw.com/edelman.html http://asusportslaw.wordpress.com/tag/marc-edelman/

And here are a bunch of symposiums and speeches he has done:

Lectures & Symposia:

Symposium Moderator: "The Long-Term Effect of Concussions and Potential Legal Liability," New York State Bar Association’s Fifteenth Annual Symposium on Current Legal Issues in Sports Law at Fordham Law School (April 1, 2010).

Symposium Panelist: "The Changing Face of Intercollegiate Athletics," Harvard Law School Sports Law Symposium (March 25, 2010).

Symposium Panelist: "Compliance in the World of Sports," DePaul Law School Sports Law Symposium (March 4, 2010).

Symposium Panelist: "Labor Concerns in Sports and Entertainment," Seton Hall Law School Sports & Entertainment Law Symposium (February 15, 2010).

Symposium Panelist: "Implications of the Supreme Court’s Ruling in American Needle," Villanova Law School Sports & Entertainment Law Symposium (January 29, 2011).

Symposium Panelist: "Current Issues in Sports Law," New York Law School Sports Law Symposium (November 12, 2010).

Symposium Panelist: "Antitrust Issues Stemming from the Phoenix Coyotes Bankruptcy Petition," Seton Hall University School of Law Sports & Entertainment Symposium (April 13, 2010).

Symposium Panelist: "The Likely Impact on Sports Leagues of American Needle v. Nat’l Football League," New York State Bar Association’s Fourteenth Annual Symposium on Current Legal Issues in Sports Law at Fordham Law School (March 26, 2010).

Symposium Panelist: "The Perfect Storm: Collective Bargaining in Major Sports 2011," Widener Law Sports and Entertainment Law Symposium (February 24, 2010).

Keynote Speaker: "Alternative Dispute Resolution in Real and Fantasy Sports," Pace Law School Alternative Dispute Resolution Society Event (February 2, 2010).

Symposium Panelist: "Bargaining Collectively," (Discussing the Baseball, Basketball and Football Collective Bargaining Agreements), University of Florida Sports Law Symposium (January 29, 2010).

Featured Speaker: "Can the NFL Permanently Suspend Michael Vick?," Presentation to the NYU Law School Sports & Entertainment Law Society (April 20, 2009).

Symposium Panelist: "Gambling in Sports: The Final Line between Fantasy Sports and Illegal Activity," New York State Bar Association’s Thirteenth Annual Symposium on Current Legal Issues in Sports Law at Fordham Law School (April 17, 2009).

Symposium Panelist: "The Problem with Age Limits in Professional Sports Leagues," New York Law School Media, Entertainment & Sports Law Symposium (March 25, 2009).

Symposium Panelist: "The Ethics of Building New Sports Stadiums during the Recession," Harvard Law School Sports Law Symposium (March 13, 2009).

Symposium Panelist: "Labor Issues in Professional Sports," University of Florida Sports Law Symposium (January 23, 2009).

Symposium Panelist: "Commissioner Suspensions and Antitrust Law," Seton Hall University School of Law Sports & Entertainment Symposium (November 7, 2008).

Featured Speaker: "Current Issues and Career Opportunities in Sports Law," Michigan Law School Sports Law Society Lunch (October 2, 2008).

Symposium Panelist: "The House that Taxpayers Built: Exploring the Rise in Publicly Funded Baseball Stadiums from 1953 through the Present," Villanova Law School Sports & Entertainment Law Journal Symposium (October 25, 2008).

Symposium Panelist: "NCAA Law & Ethics," New York State Bar Association’s Twelfth Annual Symposium on Current Legal Issues in Sports Law at Fordham Law School (April 11, 2008).

Featured Speaker: "Athletes’ Names & Stats: Intellectual Property or Fantasy," New York State Bar Association (June 26, 2008). SportsLawJunky (talk) 16:56, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure we all appreciate your enthusiasm for your professor. Unfortunately, all the information you just listed does not count toward notability. Participating in symposiums and such is the normal day-to-day fodder that academics such as Mr Edelman do. What would be helpful for your case is if you can find anything in the WP:PROF specification that Mr. Edelman satisfies. I could not, but you may know something we don't! Best wishes, Agricola44 (talk) 18:02, 30 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]

His publications have been cited by three Supreme Court briefs in the case American Needle v. National Football League. Does that satisfy #7? SportsLawJunky (talk) 18:30, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:36, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly not the most famous on Wikipedia. But with respect to [WP:PROF] he has seven easily identifiable media quotations on "sports law" in seven different national newspapers (Washington Post, Washington Times, ESPN, Arizona Republic, Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Seattle Times and USA Today). Perhaps [WP:PROF] needs an update to account for the ease with which professors on certain topics can get media attention. However, this entry--with some substantial updates to citations--seems to comply with the letter of the requirement.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/12/AR2011031205812.html http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/13/justices-to-tackle-nfl-antitrust-case/ http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=munson_lester&id=4336261 http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2009/05/08/20090508biz-coyotes0509.html http://www.seattlepi.com/default/article/Schultz-sticks-with-Sonics-suit-1278694.php http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2010532525_apusmoralityclausesqa.html http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/2011-02-06-cnbc-stadium_N.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winterparker1 (talk • contribs) 22:08, 30 January 2012 (UTC) — Winterparker1 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Striking based on outcome of SPI investigation.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:53, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Being quoted is not what counts. (For which I am eternally grateful -- if it were otherwise, I might have to worry about there being an article on me.) To help support notability, you would need sources that are primarily about him. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:14, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is cray. I can think of so many less interesting people who have Wikipedia pages(ie: half of Hollywood). This guy is the real deal, despite not meeting any of the "requirements." What if he becomes Professor of the Year? THEN could he have a Wikipedia page?SportsLawJunky (talk) 22:46, 30 January 2012 (UTC) ~*~*~*~[reply]

Again, the requirements are in WP:PROF. They're very well established, not likely to be changed in the near future, and somewhat difficult to satisfy. This is precisely why junior academics, such as Mr Edelman, rarely qualify. To answer your specific question: no, "professor of the year" would not likely qualify either. As a general word of advice, the use of one or more WP:SPA accounts, for better or worse, usually hurts the subject's case. Best wishes, Agricola44 (talk) 00:13, 31 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]

Ok well there IS a website that talks about HIM. It's right here: http://njjewishnews.com/njjn.com/021909/sptRutgersProf.html SportsLawJunky (talk) 00:28, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The conributions of SportsLawJunky (talk · contribs) and Winterparker1 (talk · contribs) are sufficiently similar that I have opened Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MarcEdelmanFan. Creating multiple accounts to !vote here is a serious breach of Wikipedia:Sock puppetry policy. Cusop Dingle (talk) 07:46, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome. User:MarcEdelmanFan is the sock master. UserSportsLawJunky is a confirmed puppet, and User:Winterparker1 is a possible puppet. All have been blocked for 72 hours for abusing multiple accounts.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:56, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I've been on the fence on this one for a while. It's one of those articles where everything about it feels wrong, but if you try to divorce yourself from the way it was written, why it was written, who wrote it, etc., Edelman might be sufficiently notable to pass muster. However, based on the comments by others, I've decided that at this point, he does not have enough recognition as a legal expert to justify an article.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:03, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:21, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A Few Tales of Hard Times

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Non-released film, no claims of notability, fails WP:CRYSTAL. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 01:18, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2012 January 29. Snotbot t • c » 01:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:36, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This independent film, written, produced, directed by, and starring unknowns, will almost certainly be non-notable--and that's if and when it does get released in a year's time. Fails WP:GNG. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 03:23, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There are no independent and reliable sources showing that this film has any notability or passes WP:NFILM at all, let alone the qualifications for notability for future films. It may one day become notable, but it is not notable today. The only things that showed up in a search were things that were put out by the filmmakers, ads for auditions for the film, and routine notifications of potential showings.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 07:37, 29 January 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79[reply]
Delete. A clear case of WP:CRYSTAL.Grillo7 (talk) 16:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — Does not pass WP:GNG and WP:CRYSTAL. X.One ^SOS 07:40, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:20, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

18seconds Magazine

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Notability. No notability has even been vaguely attempted. Appears almost entirely an advertisement for the publication. Falcadore (talk) 08:18, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. —Grahame (talk) 23:54, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:49, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bryce (talk | contribs) 01:23, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. 2-year-old digital surfer magazine, published occasionally. No evidence for notability is offered; understandably, as substantial WP:RS coverage is scarce--mostly social media and some blog posts, that I found. If better sourcing can be found, happy to look again. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 03:40, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I just unfortunately couldn't find anything to show notability. The stuff I did find were the types of things that can't be considered independent and/or reliable.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 07:48, 29 January 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Rucka Rucka Ali. Given the last comment and reference, I'm closing this as a redirect. If there are any issues, do contact me directly please Wifione ^Message 15:38, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Probably Racist

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

There's no media coverage of the album, and even our own article on Mr. Ali neglects to mention the album. I only stumbled on the article through an archived talk page for Friday (Rebecca Black song). Zanimum (talk) 23:56, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also, his Twitter page bio includes the hashtag #probablyracist. The only tweets with the tag? One irrelevant, and one by someone named "Name", begging him to RT their post. -- Zanimum (talk) 00:01, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:02, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 10:46, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Zero indication of wp:notability. The only "reference" is the sales page on itunes. North8000 (talk) 11:31, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bryce (talk | contribs) 01:19, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. There are no sources for this and a search has only brought up links to sale pages, primary sources (which cannot be used), and tons of "junk" listings for torrent and the like. There weren't any fan blog entries talking about the album. Fails notability guidelines.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 07:41, 29 January 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79[reply]
Weak keep or Merge to Rucka Rucka Ali. It charted on the Billboard Top Comedy Albums chart - see this.--Michig (talk) 17:46, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. defaulting to keep with no prejudice against speedy renomination Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:18, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stefano Passarello

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

The subject does not appear to qualify under WP:NTRACK, or any other notability guideline. Article as it currently stands contains no third-party reliable sources, and I was unable to find any articles that gave him more than a passing mention. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 19:37, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions.

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions.

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 19:47, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete — Not notable, no references. Deathlibrarian (talk) 12:59, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 12:47, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bryce (talk | contribs) 01:18, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. 218.250.159.25 (talk) 11:45, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Fuzön. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:16, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Imran Momina

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Zero non-mirror gbooks hits. The only gnews hits are passing mentions that relate more in general to the band than to the artist. Zero refs. Epeefleche (talk) 01:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:34, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:35, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Fuzön, which has all this text word for word. Whether that should be nominated is another question. 86.44.55.100 (talk) 06:19, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would be fine with that. And (in my view at least), Fuzön (the target article) is in fact notable (though its article has a good deal of un-verified material that is worthy of cleanup, one way or the other ... but not a matter for AfD).--Epeefleche (talk) 07:09, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:15, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tommy Hayden (fighter)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Fails WP:MMANOT, WP:ATHLETE, and WP:GNG. TreyGeek (talk) 03:57, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. TreyGeek (talk) 03:58, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. TreyGeek (talk) 03:58, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I dont think the article should be deleted, I found a source and put it in the article, and he did well against a tough opponent on short notice. I think that he'll do well in the UFC, and that he's notable enough. Glock17gen4 (talk) 09:17, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep An odd nomination considering that the page was nominated on the same day as the fighters first fight for a notable organization (a criteria for establishing notability). Unless the fighter is released in the next few days from his contract, I would argue against deletion at this point in time. There is no point in deleting the page, only to recreate it later after two more fights. Clearly non-notable fighters are ones who are not contractually positioned to become notable in short order. The exclusive multi-fight nature of his contract is why I don't believe this is crystal balling. If people find this unpalatable, I don't see why the page can't be redirected to UFC on FX: Guillard vs. Miller for the time being. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 20:18, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

may as well Keep it... ...because the current trend for all MMA fighters on Wikipedia seems to be that if they compete for the UFC just the once with very little or no actual articles on him outside of the UFC event they competed on can stay on here, so lets stop messing around and just keep it because we know its just going to happen, but if this does, I've decided that if all fighters who competed a single bout for any top tier promotion other than the UFC like Strikeforce and Bellator all have a legit reason to have their own page, and that I will begin to create pages for each of them with their fight records in their and just one link saying they competed on one of a top tier promotion's card. BigzMMA (talk) 09:17, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't make up your own WP policies. If you want that to be true then get consensus to modify WP:MMANOT. Papaursa (talk) 02:26, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Right now he doesn't meet any of the notability criteria at WP:GNG or WP:MMANOT. If he has 2 more UFC fights he will meet the criteria at WP:MMANOT. If a decision had to be made right now, I think redirecting it would be the best option. It might be nice to delay any decision until we see if he gets those 2 additional UFC bouts. Papaursa (talk) 02:26, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to UFC on FX: Guillard vs. Miller If he gets enough UFC fights his article can be stored, but assuming he'll get them is WP:CRYSTALBALL. Astudent0 (talk) 20:54, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No independent coverage, fails WP:GNG. Mt king ^(edits) 02:04, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per coverage in sources independent of the fighter and promotion he fights in that specifically cover him, such as "Tommy Hayden targeted for UFC on FX 1 slot against Fabricio Camoes". --Temporary for Bonaparte (talk) 16:45, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bryce (talk | contribs) 01:11, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It would be ridiculous bureaucracy to delete it and recreate when he fights two more bouts. Alternatively, delete it if he does not fight two more instead. A412 (Talk * C) 19:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He appears on the UFC website's list of fighters, he has been significantly covered in MMA related articles. There is no reason to delete this page. JadeSnake (talk) 20:55, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:13, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reis Vermaak

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

This radio presenter, record producer, and club DJ lacks substantial, non-trivial, non-passing-mention independent RS coverage. Created by a 1-article-only-ever SPA. Epeefleche (talk) 21:33, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Agree non-notable. - Frankie1969 (talk) 02:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:04, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:04, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bryce (talk | contribs) 00:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not finding anything to demonstrate that he meets the notability criteria. AllyD (talk) 12:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete When I google him I get the Wikipedia page, his website, myspace, youtube videos and links about travel entertainment tips (reisvermaak without the space means travel entertainment in Dutch). Google News Archive search doesn't mention him at all. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 20:56, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Philadelphia Union Reserves . Black Kite (talk) 23:03, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2011 Philadelphia Union Reserves season

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

The article fails WP:GNG. Philadelphia Union Reserves do not play in a fully-professional leage, and reserve team seasons are generally not notable. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following article for the same reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Although the reserves don't play in a professional league the information for this team's season is worthy of keeping. Consider merging this with main club's 2011 Philadelphia Union season Brudder Andrusha (talk) 02:31, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Philadelphia Union Reserves; create a 'History' section, detailing what happened season-to-season. Giant Snowman 16:43, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and add into history of the main page I agree with Giant Snowman. Even major leagues in the world with Reserve Teams dont have individual seasonal pages for there Reserve Teams. They are just not notable enough for reasons Sir Sputnik put. Just make a new section in Philadelphia Union Reserves called history and make another section called season by season stats. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 19:46, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 14:20, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information and even the team that this refers to has nothing referenced apart from the field where they play. Even the league itself only has a page because it was linked from five other pages! What kind of notability exists anywhere near this article?! Cloudz 679 19:04, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Philadelphia Union Reserves agree fully with suggestion given by GiantSnowman.Edinburgh Wanderer 23:13, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Shehzad_Roy#Albums. JohnCD (talk) 17:48, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rab Jaanay

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Zero gnews hits. Zero gbooks hits other than a wp mirror. Zero refs. Epeefleche (talk) 00:01, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:33, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:33, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:12, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It is quite clear that Shehzad Roy made this album, and I think he is a notable artist in his country. However, I can't find any independent reviews or other reliable information confirming that 'Rab Janey' (which seems to be the correct title) is a notable album. Redirect to Shehzad_Roy#Albums is the best option at the moment, IMO. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 13:38, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think that a redirect would be sensible, as you suggest.--Epeefleche (talk) 23:30, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

@@ Line 12: / Line 12: @@
 __TOC__
 <!-- Add new entries to the TOP of the following list -->
+{{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rucka Rucka Ali}}
 {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LG Optimus7}}
 {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bryan Binder}}<!--Relisted-->