Talk:First Hungarian Republic: Difference between revisions
→Wrong map: No, The map is the situation about January 1919. The last stable (longes lasting) map of the first Hungarian Republic, when it was not under occupation yet, because after that, we can not make stable map, because of the Hungarian self-disarmament, the territory of Hungary changed from day to day. For example: When Hungary proclaimed the self-disarmament and the Republic, Romania was still under German occupation.--Csataelőkészítő ([[User talk:Csataelőkész Tag: Reverted |
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:This is about the treaties of [[Treaty of Trianon|Trianon]], (4-6-1920) and [[Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye (1919)|Saint-Germain]] (10-9-1919). Check the file description. The First Republic of Hungary by far didn't exist by that time. [[User:Gyalu22|Gyalu22]] ([[User talk:Gyalu22|talk]]) 18:49, 28 November 2022 (UTC) |
:This is about the treaties of [[Treaty of Trianon|Trianon]], (4-6-1920) and [[Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye (1919)|Saint-Germain]] (10-9-1919). Check the file description. The First Republic of Hungary by far didn't exist by that time. [[User:Gyalu22|Gyalu22]] ([[User talk:Gyalu22|talk]]) 18:49, 28 November 2022 (UTC) |
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You used the word "Liberation War" and in the context of Austria-Hungary. Austria-Hungary did not even exist as a state, when the Serbo-French forces were able to enter to Belgrade without a single shot on 1st of november, 1918. There was no such War against austro-Hungarian troops. The so-called Serbian War of Liberation was transformed into a '''purely imperialist war of territorial robbery''' when the laughable small Serbo-french armies crossed Serbia's original pre-war borders. The simple Serbian "liberation" aim became questionabe after the Serbian Army following the shadow of the French colonial Balkan army entered to Non Serbian territory namely what the Serbs called as Voivodine. The first Serbs migrated to so-called Voivodine during the early Ottoman wars, and later after the Ottomans were ousted from Kingdom of Hungary further Serbs migrated in masses to the north during their [[Great Migrations of the Serbs]]. In 1910, the '''ratio of Serbs were only 33,8%''' in Voivodina, therefore we can speak clearly about a Serb minority on that area. Moreover, Serbian government even claimed other Hungarian cities like [[Pécs]] and [[Szeged]] too. --[[User:Csataelőkészítő|Csataelőkészítő]] ([[User talk:Csataelőkészítő|talk]]) 14:15, 29 November 2022 (UTC) |
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Good sources
Just want to provide a on-line library, where several good sources can be find to improve this article: http://www.hungarian-history.hu. Desyman44 (talk) 18:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Karolyi Era 1918 ...
In the section of the article which has a simialar title to this it mentions (... independence after almost 400 years ...). It appears that where there was independence from one thing there was also additional dependence in other ways. it seems that Mihaly Karolyi suffered enough personal loss by donating his land and making other concessions that it would of bankrupted a lesser man. Hungary also lost territory to neighbouring states and also lost their source of coal supply so that much of their industry had to shut down. Also the revolution of 1956 suggests that they were not satisfied with the independence they had. The Revolution and Soviet crackdown in 1956 causeed many Hungarians to emigrate inte exile. i have personal freinds who fled Hungary in 1956 and arrived in Canada. I suggest that when you speak of independece that you make sure that the independence provides suitable living conditions. RCNesland (talk) 15:56, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Naming
I don't understand why this article is titled 'Hungarian Democratic Republic'. No state by that name existed. It was firstly the 'Hungarian People's Republic', and then the 'Hungarian Republic'. However, I'm not sure which title it should be moved to. Another option is 'First Hungarian Republic'. RGloucester — ☎ 19:17, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Merger proposal
I propose merging Hungarian Republic (1919–1920) into First Hungarian Republic. I don’t see much point in separating them, since there was no break in continuity. The merged article should retain the name First Hungarian Republic but cover both entities, as in the Hungarian Wikipedia.DamagedKnight (talk) 10:32, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Wrong. In Hungarian wikipedia and even printed encyclopedias have different articles for these are total different states. Károlyi led a liberal and capitalist country, Bela Kun led a communist country. Than it was reverted into a capitalist country (led by social democrats, than it became a republic led by conservatives and right wing politicians. Than Horthy transformed Hungary into a kingdom again. Why do you want to merge the water and fire? Liberalism and Communism are not the same ideologies! It would be similar mistake like the merge the liberal German Weimar Republic and Hitler's nazi republic into one article. --Longsars (talk) 17:31, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Wrong map
Somebody inserted a ridiculous fantasy map in the infobox of this article.
Map of Europe in October 1918. https://omniatlas-1598b.kxcdn.com/media/img/articles/complete/europe/europe19181025.png
--Csataelőkészítő (talk) 18:22, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Csataelőkészítő!
- Map in the infobox probably since the page's creation: File:First Hungarian Republic (November 1918).png
- This file is made particularly for the First Hungarian Republic. See its description. Actually this is much more similar to the "professional" map you linked than what you inserted.
- The map you inserted: File:Partition_of_Austria-Hungary_1919_map.jpg
- This is about the treaties of Trianon, (4-6-1920) and Saint-Germain (10-9-1919). Check the file description. The First Republic of Hungary by far didn't exist by that time. Gyalu22 (talk) 18:49, 28 November 2022 (UTC)