User talk:Godofincompetence

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"people with autism" / "autistic people"

Changed "people with autism" to "autistic people" because the majority of autistic people prefer this terminology

What is your source for this claim? --Calton | Talk 08:16, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Calton: Actual study: https://altogetherautism.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2015-Kenny-terms-to-describe-autism.pdf (I'm looking specifically at how autistic people, in general, prefer autistic to people with autism-- I don't think it's important what non-autistic people think about that.) Article by an autistic person explaining why: https://autisticadvocacy.org/about-asan/identity-first-language/ Queenofconfusion (talk) 06:35, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm not seeing anything in that paper making such a specific claim. Please point me to the specific page and passage that says that a majority prefers "autistic people" over "people with autism". --Calton | Talk 10:00, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Again, I'm not seeing anything in that paper making such a specific claim. Please point me to the specific page and passage that says that a majority prefers "autistic people" over "people with autism". --Calton | Talk 01:15, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Using solely the cited paper, I believe the "page and passage" that best demonstrates what you're asking would be Page 4, specifically Figure 3.

(While Queenofconfusion did middle it a bit, it's worth noting an error: the argument wasn't "autistic people" over "people with autism," it was preference for "autistic" over "people with autism.")

Obviously this calls for a little bit of latitude, but going by what is provided in Figure 3 about a singular choice and using solely responses from autistic people (n=502), this resulted in a roughly 54% preference for either "has autism," "on the autism spectrum," or (most of all) "autistic."

If estimates are to be trusted, roughly 1% of the global population is autistic; when the story was published in 2015, that would mean around 74 million people globally. Using the autistic sample of 502 autistics with a 95% confidence interval, their responses represent a margin of error just under 5%. (The latitude I asked for is over trickling matters like how some countries don't believe autism is real, regions where any display of mental illness is demonized or derided, etc. . . y'know, things of that nature.)

Given the statistics and how "autistic" is the predominant choice while "person with autism" ranks fifth out of eight choices, I'd say that qualifies as the majority choosing identity-first over person-first language. Actibus.consequatur (talk) 02:23, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Calton: See Actibus.consequatur's comment above (you weren't tagged so I'm just making sure you see it, haha). Also, there is a general consensus among the autistic community about this on social media from what I've seen-- I follow a lot of autistic creators and they all pretty much agree. Not the most credible source though, haha. There are a lot of articles online, though-- here's another helpful article I found and it has someone a lot more qualified than I am who also says that, generally speaking, autistic people prefer "autistic people" to "people with autism": https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/07/12/unpacking-the-debate-over-person-first-vs-identity-first-language-in-the-autism-community/ Queenofconfusion (talk) 20:45, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

December 2022

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at User talk:FMSky, you may be blocked from editing. FMSky (talk) 01:45, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@FMSky First of all, all I did was use the pronouns template on your talk page, which is not vandalizing or disruptive editing. Second of all, Wikipedia's policies clearly state that one should use the pronouns and gendered language that one prefers when talking about them. Additionally, even if you do believe that Tony Hawk's child is his son, using the word "children" would still be correct. It is in Wikimedia's code of conduct that one will use a person's preferred pronouns, and this extends to gendered language such as the word "son". By referring to Tony Hawks' child as his son, you are directly going against Wikimedia's code of conduct. I will revert your change once more and further action against Wikimedia's code of contact may result in you being blocked from editing. Queenofconfusion (talk) 02:06, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

someone wanting to be referred by as "they/them" doesnt equal this person not being male anymore. --FMSky (talk) 02:10, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@FMSky I'm not going to get into the nuances of gender and pronouns and I think that, in this case, it is much more plausible and much more respectful to change the term used to "children". After all, a male can still be a child. By changing the word to "children", we are implying nothing about their gender. I'm not going to argue with you about the validity of someone's gender identity because it will get absolutely nowhere. However, I do know that, even from your point of view, the word "children" should be okay since, again, it says nothing about the gender of either of Tony Hawk's children. Queenofconfusion (talk) 02:19, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

You could've simply said that in your revert instead of slapping a warning tag on my talk page btw --FMSky (talk) 02:21, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

@FMSky I put what I deem necessary for all who may encounter a revision in my reverts and I put things aimed at one person on their talk page. Also, warnings only look bad if you continue to violate them. Queenofconfusion (talk) 02:28, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Queenofconfusion!

Happy New Year!

Queenofconfusion,
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Think An Article Should Be Deleted But IDK How To Do That

So I think the article GenScript Biotech should be deleted but I can't figure out how to propose the article for deletion. Can someone help me? Queenofconfusion (talk) 06:36, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Queenofconfusion, I've reversed some promotional edits that were recently added. If you still think that the article should be deleted there are instructions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#Nominating article(s) for deletion on the criteria for deletion and how to nominate an article for deletion. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:57, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Queenofconfusion (talk) 06:59, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

I just published an article but there are a few things that I'm not sure about so it's better to ask now

So I just published Lou Wilson (actor) and in the article under the Career section, I say, "Wilson is also an improvisational comedian. He is currently a member of the improv troupe Yeti, which includes fellow Dimension 20 cast members Zac Oyama and Ally Beardsley and performs at the Upright Citizens Brigade in Los Angeles." There are two things that I'm concerned about with this: 1) The source I used was [1]https://ucbcomedy.com/show/harold-night-yeti-ghost/ and I'm slightly worried about link decay and also it isn't a third party source, it's literally just tickets to a show that happen to list the cast of the troupe. I know this is accurate information because I attended a show myself, but I know that doesn't really mean much because that's original research. 2) I say that the troupe includes Zac Oyama and Ally Beardsley, who are also cast members of Dimension 20, which is true, but there is no source directly linking these facts. Again, I know this to be 100% true but I'm not sure whether or not this would fall under what is allowed under the synthesis rules.

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

I'm afraid that "I attended a show myself" isn't WP:RELY, WP:INDY or, most importantly, WP:NOR. Therefore I have whacked you with a wet trout. However, it's good that you recongize that it isn't WP:NOR, but unfortunately you did put it in an article on the mainspace. I have added Template:Citation needed to the affected area. Tbf69 20:00, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

@Tbf69 A source I used does directly say that Ally Beardsley and Zac Oyama are part of the same group (Yeti) and a different source says that they're both on Dimension 20, but I technically can't prove that they're the same Ally Beardsley and Zac Oyama except through the fact that I did attend a show and they were the same people. Like they are, but there is not one source that says both things. Do I still need a citation or is this good enough evidence? I asked originally from the "math major therefore proofs must be 100% logically sound with absolutely zero holes or leaps whatsoever" side of me but the other side of me feels like a fine conclusion to come to for most people so I thought I should clarify my evidence. Queenofconfusion (talk) 12:08, 7 January 2023 (UTC)