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Is this an appropriate article to create?

I am interested in creating an article about the subset of Taylor Swift fans (Gaylors) who believe Taylor Swift is queer. There are independent articles from well known publications on the topic that could be used for citation, and I believe there is more than enough information on the topic for it to have it's own article, however I am wondering if the reason it hasn't been created yet is because it is against the conventions of Wikipedia in some way. Derekeaaron1 (talk) 01:27, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Derekeaaron1 and Welcome to the Teahouse! As long as the article is properly (reliable, not just blogs) sourced, I see no reason it wouldn’t be created because Wikipedia is not censored. I would recommend creating a draft using the Wikipedia:Article wizard. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 01:48, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Derekeaaron1: You might wish to discuss this topic at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Taylor Swift. GoingBatty (talk) 02:43, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Derekeaaron1, assuming the sources exist, and since I started Larries myself I think they may very well do (try to get books and scholarly articles if you can), there's no reason why you shouldn't. Johnlock probably meets WP:GNG too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:45, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! do you have any insight onto how reliable sources need to be in order to claim "some people think X" as opposed to "X is true?" there are a number of articles about specific gaylor theories that are typically not from reliable sources, but I'm not sure what the standards are to just say a theory exists. Derekeaaron1 (talk) 21:33, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Derekeaaron1 You'll be glad to know (?) that we have a whole policy about that, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, and it can be a tricky one. WP:WEIGHT may be the most relevant part here. Do your best. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:04, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Derekeaaron1: You can have a look at various articles such as Modern flat Earth beliefs to see how that sort of things is handled. There’s probably not going to be a review in a sociology journal, but newspaper sources are fine. A quick online search turns up many such sources ([1], [2] (but see WP:JEZEBEL), and others from less-recognizable but apparently-reliable outlets). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:09, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

When a celebrity dies - How is their page edited so fast?

whenever there is a celebrity death, the moment it is announced I go to Wikipedia and someone has already changed their profile to say "was" and edited the article to be in the past tense.

I remember when Michael Jackson died. I heard the first news report about it and already it had been changed. It's bizzare. MrBauer24 (talk) 05:45, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@MrBauer24, here's an article about that from 2018:[3]. And, of course, there's Deaditor. There are a lot more people than the regular editors who knows that they can edit, and it seems that when people see this particular error, it makes sense to them to correct it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:11, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

MrBauer24, it is a well known fact going back hundreds of years that mass media interest surges after the death of a celebrity. Since Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit and there are many many millions of people constantly monitorig the internet news and social media ecosystem, it is not surprising that there would be countless people rushing to edit Wikipedia when a celebrity dies. A problem is that false death reports are frequent, and we have the obligation to get it right. Cullen328 (talk) 07:30, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Deaditor redirects to Death and Wikipedia, which starts Death and Wikipedia includes all discussions of how Wikipedia editors present death of public figures. Which is one of the more leaden of the opening sentences I've encountered. Incidentally, in the second sentence the article appears to change its mind: Wikipedia editors, plural, don't attend to this solemn task; the "Wikipedia community", singular, does. So fix it would be a reasonable response; but I plead laziness. -- Hoary (talk) 09:03, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary, based on your "leaden" comment, I boldly changed this to say "Death and Wikipedia discusses how Wikipedia editors present the death of public figures." The first part definitely needed changing, and "the" was sorely lacking. David10244 (talk) 03:34, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

David10244, thank you; I thereupon perpetrated this. I hardly touched that opening sentence, which strikes me as superfluous. As for the rest of the article, although it purports to be about "Wikipedia", I suspect that most if not all of it is about English-language Wikipedia. (What it says may very well be true of other-language Wikipedias, but most of the article cites English-language US sources, and experience tells me that in these, "Wikipedia" generally means English-language Wikipedia.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:26, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary I like everything you did there. Especially changing "articles of" to "articles about"... You simplified some of the other prose, which is always good. I dither between "the media has" vs. "the media have", but it's not worth worrying about. I also considered "the deaths of public figures" instead of "death", but I left "death". On to something more cheerful now... Thanks. David10244 (talk) 13:16, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Removed Article Submitted for Review - Draft Name

Hello, I wrote an article which was published to Wikipedia and it was removed due to lack of resources. I have since fixed the article and submitted it for review, but wondered if I needed to recreate the article and publish again instead. Also, i noticed that my title has the word "draft", will that disappear once the article is approved/published? Sorry for the questions, but I am a newbie. :) Here is my article: Draft:Hygord Amédée Manywords4u (talk) 11:19, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Manywords4u: the draft has the 'Draft:' prefix as long as it remains unpublished, in the draft space.

You say you have submitted it for review, but you haven't. I can do that for you, if you'd like.

That being said, the draft would only be declined, as it is almost entirely unreferenced (which is especially a problem in articles on living people), and there is no evidence that the subject is notable in Wikipedia terms. For that reason, I would suggest that you continue working on it before submitting it. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:26, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank You for the quick response. So my references section at the bottom will not suffice? Manywords4u (talk) 11:45, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Manywords4u: What is needed is to demonstrate that this person is "notable" in Wikipedia’s meaning of the term. That requires references that are (1) independent of him, (2) reliable, and (3) deal with him in-depth. We do not need many references, but we need high-quality ones.

Of your three references, two are related to institutes/foundations that he is involved in, and the last is a journal piece they wrote. All of those fail part (1).

If you cannot find adequate references, the article will not be accepted, no matter how much you work on it. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:58, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Manywords4u Along with the rest of the great advice, note that the sources that you want to use, as references, are from published material that talks about him. We don't need to know (only) what he has done, but what others have said about him. Good luck. David10244 (talk) 03:40, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank You for all the wonderful advice. All of you at the teahouse have been very helpful. Much appreciated. Manywords4u (talk) 01:40, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

You've linked each of his books to amazon.fr via amzn.eu. I'm surprised that you've linked each to a retailer, and I'm also surprised that Wikipedia hasn't yet put amzn.eu on its blacklist (for being a redirecting service). Incidentally, if the books are "translated into several languages (English, French, Creole)", then which language(s) are they translated from? Other problems: Why is "Education" treated at more length than is any other section, and where are the sources for it? And most importantly (and as raised above), where are three in-depth, reliable sources about the man? -- Hoary (talk) 12:06, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Remove the hyperlinks for the books. Career needs dates (years) and refs. Education needs refs. Everything needs refs. Listing his books is OK but contributes zero to confirming notability because self-published. David notMD (talk) 12:42, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank You. I removed the amazon links. How would I reference Education? I will add the dates (years) for the career events. Manywords4u (talk) 13:28, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Hygord Amédée has two paragraphs about his education. Where did you get this information? It there a publication to cite? Information about a living person may be true, but unless it can be verified by citing a reliable source reference it cannot be in the article. Same for career information. If your source is from speaking with or corresponding with Hygord Amédée, that cannot be used. What people say or write about themselves is not a reliable source. That includes published interviews. David notMD (talk) 14:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Manywords4u, you've uploaded a photo of the subject as "own work". Are you indeed in contact with them? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:54, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

I am still not seeing why he is notable in any aspect. His books are self-published (which anyone in the world can do). Very few references to support this as an article let alone a BLP. How is he notable enough to be included in the encyclopedia? I honestly think that is where you need to start the draft and work on that section. Right now it reads to me as you are writing this because you are the subject of the article (and I’m assuming good faith that you are not) but the wording and lack of what is needed for a BLP is simply not there. 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:78CC:6741:3C62:5708 (talk) 09:23, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Draft Decline

Hello Teahouse members, I created Draft:Sangramsingh Thakur and it was rejected by User:Akevsharma which is Sockpuppet after that User:Bonadea rejected my draft for reasons the draft do not show significant coverage but according to Wikipedia WP:PUBLISHED WP:RS I'm citing all sources with Draft there have also significant projects available on Wikipedia with name and also some WP:REF available. So please help me about it. Rajmama (talk) 14:51, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Rajmama Articles about this person were deleted three times backin 2018-19. Because of the repeats, "This page has been protected so only extended confirmed users can create it." You do not qualify. For your draft, it has been Declined (not Rejected) twice for insufficient referencing. I agree. Your refs mention Thakur by name, but do not have at-length content about him. The other reason also exists, as you are not extended confirmed yet. David notMD (talk) 15:01, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Rajmama: WP:SIGCOV states that "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention". In order to demonstrate notability for inclusion in Wikipedia, you would need to find multiple published reliable sources that discuss Thakur's work in detail, not just a mention that he appears in a particular film. I also added a few {{citation needed}} tags to point out unreferenced information in your draft. GoingBatty (talk) 16:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty thank you for your suggestion. I have one more doubt, as I'm started working on thakur's Draft I have read all articles and sources related to Indian Predator: Murder In A Courtroom and I saw thakur is one of the pararal lead actor of the series and I'm added his name in that series in starring section but user:bonadea removed his name for a reason he is not a actor of this series and said attached sources.after that I'm added his name with sources but he again removed his name and this time he give me reason for that I'm promoting him. So I'm asking all wikipedians that Is creating articles of specific topic on Wikipedia or contributing on Wikipedia it that means you promoting them? Rajmama (talk) 12:25, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Rajmama: I don't know what "pararal" is supposed to mean. Some (but not all) people use Wikipedia for promotion, which is not what Wikipedia is for. Per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, you may post at Talk:Indian Predator: Murder In A Courtroom to discuss your suggestions and concerns with Bonadea and other interested editors and come to a consensus. GoingBatty (talk) 13:23, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty it's an typical mistake its Parallel not pararal. And I'm also concerned with Bonadea but according to him I'm promoting thakur but I'm just contributing. so what can I do now? should i leave it in the middle? Rajmama (talk) 14:06, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Again: a) Since Thakur is not notable at this point, you will only be wasting your own time if you try to create an article about him. b) No reliable, independent sourcing has supported the claim that Thakur is a "parallel lead" in the TV series. As you know, the source you added is neither reliable nor independent, and it doesn't make that claim in any case. It's rather odd to keep adding that one name, and not either of the narrators or any of the rest of the cast... c) This guideline (which you have also been asked to read) discusses how to list cast members, including non-starring cast that are worth mentioning, in an article. --bonadea contributions talk 20:07, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

thank you @Bonadea for your suggestion and guidance. Rajmama (talk) 21:32, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Move request

hi i im a 112.208.240.80 i have move to mainspace as draft my name is Draft:Tropical Storm Bopha (2006) 112.208.240.80 (talk) 13:02, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

The draft is still a draft. There is no evidence it has been moved to mainspace. A search on Tropical Storm Bopha (2006) redirects to 2006 Pacific typhoon season#Severe Tropical Storm Bopha (Inday), where Bopha is one of many described storms. I strongly advise against any attempt to move the draft to mainspace, as the quality of English is very poor (sentence fragments and nonsequiters). David notMD (talk) 13:12, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD don't add a Comment my draft click a Resubmit ok 122.53.46.31 (talk) 23:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I think this article has already been discussed here, a few days ago. David10244 (talk) 05:51, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD I just saw that there is an article at Tropical_Storm_Bopha_(2006). It still has bad text including Taiwan the depression late in Aug 5.[3] but the storm caused 7 deaths as JTWC but Bopha's Aug 6 the JTWC. After Taiwan landfall and Aug 7 and 9.[4][5] for JTWC as Aug 10 and dissipated. for a tropical storm at 3 p.m. UTC. time. Aug 7's in the 2006 before 100 km/h (60 mph) Bopha's 2006 Pacific typhoon season and removed on Aug 8. but Luzon. by Bopha and Aug 10 Floods more homes are removed. in Aug and 3 typhoon's as images the storm end Aug 10. up for 3 a.m.

This shouldn't stay there, right? David10244 (talk) 08:02, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

By removing the redirect, the IP who has been working on this topic converted the draft to an article without going through AfC. The draft was poorly written from the beginning and has not improved. In my opinion the AfD is warranted. David notMD (talk) 11:24, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh, right, the redirect disappeared. Sneaky. And I missed the AfD until you mentioned it. David10244 (talk) 07:36, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

The title of the draft article

I want to change the title to Ramaprasad Chanda Bchanda (talk) 20:53, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Bchanda, welcome back to the Teahouse. Your draft was declined because we already have an article on Ramaprasad Chanda. It is at Ramaprasad Chanda. You are free to improve that article; please be sure to only add information from reliable sources, summarizing and citing them. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:01, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I want to change the draft to Ramaprasad Chanda Bchanda (talk) 21:08, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Bchanda. There is no point in changing the name of Draft:Rai Bahadur Ramaprasad Chanda, because it is never going to be accepted as an article since there is already an article on the subject.

There may well be a point in developing parts of your draft into acceptable Wikipedia text (formatting headers, for example, and using inline citations - see WP:REFB). Then when you have done that, you can copy sections from your draft into the article. ColinFine (talk) 21:11, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Bchanda This was discussed here a couple of days ago. Did you see those replies? David10244 (talk) 06:08, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Creating a New Article

What page or section do I click on to start composing a draft article?

Fwiw, I went into "edit" mode on an existing article (but didn't do any editing) just to get an idea of what good formatting looks like.

Thanks. Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 21:47, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Was Kisevalter Nash?: here's one way. On your user page (or somewhere else that it won't do any harm) create a link to the draft that you want to create, like this Draft:Xyzabc. Then click on that link. That'll take you to a page titled "Creating Draft:Xyzabc". Type something in the larfge edit box, and click "Publish page". You've created a draft. Now you can delete the link to it if you like, the draft'll still be there. Maproom (talk) 22:13, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Was Kisevalter Nash? specifically for you I would start creating a draft by clicking Was Kisevalter Nash/sandbox and publishing your content there. When you think your article is ready for review, you can follow the instructions at Wikipedia:So you made a userspace draft ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 00:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Was Kisevalter Nash? You can also look at your first article. David10244 (talk) 07:24, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that tip, David! Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 07:32, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Uploading images

Hi, I am an experienced Wikipedian, but I don't know much about images and licensing. Am I allowed to upload the image from https://www.statista.com/chart/16959/share-of-the-internet-that-is-porn/ ? It is CC BY-ND (c) 2019 StatistaCharts. Wikimedia Commons does not allow such images. tgeorgescu (talk) 22:27, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tgeorgescu no in short, because of the ND part which means No Derivatives, but all Wiki content expressly allows remixing. The only way you could upload an image to English Wikipedia where it wouldn't be allowed in Commons is if WP:FAIRUSE applied, but that doesn't here. Happy licensing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:00, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tgeorgescu I assume that it is the data, not the way it is expressed in that particular chart that is of interest for an artilce here, so you could just use the information with that URL as the citation. However, I note that statista.com is considered a "generally unreliable source". Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:07, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Wiki page picture for author

I would like to update the picture of an Author on their Wiki Page.

The picture notes the copyright symbol and photographer's name.

Am I allowed to upload it to the page and use it? LisaPSinger (talk) 22:27, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@LisaPSinger: Only if you own the copyright or if the person who owns the copyright will donate it to Wikipedia. In that case you or them have to fill a nasty form for the Volunteer Response Team. Almost nobody can fill the form right, so their pictures get deleted. tgeorgescu (talk) 22:54, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tgeorgescu, I'll have you know that that I know of TWO successful cases by newbies on this. Ok, one succeeded on the second attempt, but still. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:04, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I'd rephrase that as "You can upload it to Wikimedia Commons only if either (A) you own the copyright or (B) the person who owns the copyright will either (i) copyleft it in a way that's acceptable to Wikimedia Commons or (ii) will waive all their rights to it, donating it to the public domain. In case (B), the copyright owner has to contact the Volunteer Response Team." (Although perhaps somebody else here will correct me.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:54, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@LisaPSinger It's not that technically difficult, but. The copyright holder is most often the photographer. Can you take a new picture yourself, or can you persuade the copyright holder to register them self on WP and then use this [4] process? OR, are we talking about a dead author? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:10, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Of course, everything goes into public domain eventually--although how long that takes is not nearly as simple a question as some people think it is. But if this author is from the 19th century, I'd say you're safe. Uporządnicki (talk) 16:53, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@AzseicsoK, that too, but I was thinking WP:NONFREE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:57, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

BLP PROD where there's previously been an AfD

If a BLP article has previously been deleted via AfD and then a new article is created without sources, is it eligible for WP:BLPPROD? I don't see anything in the guidance that says not, but twinkle aborted due to finding the old AfD when I tried to nominate Teddy Dief. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:29, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: regardless of the answer, I see that Uhtregorn edited that article and left an "under construction" tag less about seven hours before your template addition. Unless I am missing special context, you are supposed to obey such "under construction" tags when they are reasonably recent. The only place I found that specifically mentions this is here, §4, but I am pretty sure it applies not just to interactions with new editors.

(I happen to personally disagree with that social norm when it comes to mainspace articles. I think an unsourced article that someone promises to improve should be moved to draft - it has no business being in mainspace if it is in a state that would never pass AfC. But that’s clearly not the mainstream view.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:55, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tigraan BLP statements that are unsourced can be immediately removed however. I do not think a {{under construction}} tag exempts that. The tag is to minimize edit conflicts and for non BLP content perhaps some leeway of unsourced materials. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:59, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. It doesn't give license for an editor to do whatever they want to it without other editors intervening. Doug Weller talk 16:36, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Cordless Larry: It might be eligible for speedy deletion per WP:G4, but prod, in general, is essentially for deletions that are at least believed to be non-contentious and a previous AFD implies someone felt otherwise. I don't use Twinkle, but that might be what it's assessing. Anyway, if you know who the admin who deleted the article via AfD is, you can ask them to take a look at the recreation and figure out if it meets G4. All takes for an BLPPRODded article to be deprodded is to simply add a single source, right? So, if you feel there's no point in trying to find such a source yourself because of WP:OVERCOME, then it seems like G4 or another AfD are the only options available. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:00, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, all. This article wouldn't qualify under WP:G4 as the new version is significantly different to the deleted article. I realise that the threshold to avoid a BLP PROD deletion is low but I suppose my question was more about what the rules are. WP:BLPPROD states that "a prior declined BLPPROD nomination does not block an article from being nominated for standard PROD and vice versa", so I was surprised that a prior successful AfD nomination apparently does block one (at least as far as Twinkle is concerned). Cordless Larry (talk) 16:02, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• Just as a point of order, the deleted version of the article had sources. In case anyone wanted access to that cough cough , then perhaps a friendly admin shuffles feet and looks innocent would restore and userfy it so one could access those sources if they wanted them. You know, if someone were to ask nicely. Maybe. --Jayron32 16:08, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, I could be that friendly admin if I was so minded, Jayron32, but I'm not particularly motivated to help as I have my doubts about notability and the possibility that there's COI and perhaps paid editing going on here. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

If that were all the case, I would also be less so minded to help. Clearly an XY problem between us then. Ah, well, pay it no mind. Delete away. --Jayron32 16:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey folks. Just saw this. I am working on the sources now. Uhtregorn (talk) 17:19, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Uhtregorn. Can I ask where you got his year of birth from? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:34, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

To be honest I spotted it on some other bio wiki page I found when I was looking him up. I understand that's not an adequate source but I figured it would be okay. Uhtregorn (talk) 18:30, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks for your honesty, Uhtregorn. It's best to leave personal details out unless you have a reliable source. This is partly why I thought you might have a COI, although it would have been more suspicious if you'd have known the exact date. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:49, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough, I understand that. To be clear, there is no COI. I found this on requested articles and was interested because I like games. Uhtregorn (talk) 19:24, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

i want to create a page with same name which was delete

A page of mine has been deleted. I want to correct the mistake in the same subject and submit again, how can I do it? Ronychandra21 (talk) 09:15, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Ronychandra21 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may recreate a draft via Articles for Creation. Be advised that creating a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, we usually advise newer editors to first gain experience and knowledge by editing existing articles in areas that interest them, as well as using the new user tutorial to learn more about the process and what is being looked for. Diving right in to article creation as you are doing often leads to disappointment and frustration as things happen to your drafts that you don't understand, and I don't want you to have bad feelings.

I'm wondering if you have a connection with the subjects of your edits. If so, that needs to be disclosed, see conflict of interest and paid editing(declaring paid editing is a Terms of Use requirement). 331dot (talk) 09:33, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

If you are asking about Draft:Mondip Gharai, it was Speedy deleted for being promotional/advertising. If you believe you can do better, then use the guide at WP:YFA to submit a draft. P.S. You have an active draft that has been declined twice. You removed two references and submitted it again. Expect that to be Declined unless you can improve the draft before a reviewer gets to it. Not a guarantee, but refs as URLs are unwelcome. See Help:Referencing for beginners on how to craft references. David notMD (talk) 11:59, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Should I put share the content from my website here, since the topic from it is not well covered on Wikipedia

Hi, I'm making a website about Zelenika, a place in the municipality of Herceg Novi, Montenegro. Articles on it can greatly improve pages some about Zelenika, and even open new topics about it. They are not very long (the longest one is around 2500 words, the shortest one mere 200 words), so they might not be up to wikipedia standards, but all of them are well researched and with a lot of information not included on Wikipedia (or anywhere on the internet for that matter). Do you think I should share the content with Wikipedia after indexing my website, or even though some articles are better than its Wikipedia counterpart, it would be consider spamming and low-quality? Drzavanovska (talk) 10:37, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Simply, Drzavanovska, no you shouldn't. Somebody not connected to your website may decide that it is a reliable source, and may then decide to summarize some of what it says (of course acknowledging this via references). -- Hoary (talk) 10:57, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Great, thanks. I'll have a lot of information not included here, including the books and articles I used, so hopefully someone will improve the page in the future. Drzavanovska (talk) 11:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Drzavanovsak, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer is, probably not: that sounds like original research, which is not accepted in Wikipedia: an article must be based on reliably published secondary sources.

If part of what you have written is based on such reliable secondary sources, then you could incorporate that material into a Wikipedia article. You should cite those original sources, not your website; and if you copy your text directly, you should avoid copyright problems by stating on your website that you release the material under a suitable licence such as CC-BY-SA. ColinFine (talk) 11:17, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine,

Thank you for a a detailed answer.

It was very helpful.

I have quite a few sources listed in my texts, so I can use them, or as Hoary said, I can leave that to other independent party. Since my website is a non-profit one, mentioning the sources without mentioning it should not be a problem.

Thanks again! Drzavanovska (talk) 12:02, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Edit conflict ::I agree that Zelenika, Herceg Novi could use more content typically incorporated into village and town articles (History section, and so on). Cite the sources you found and used in your website rather than referencing your website. David notMD (talk) 12:05, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello David notMD,

Thank you.

Will do! Drzavanovska (talk) 12:09, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

You could also take photographs, submit those to Wikipedia:Wikimedia Commons, and then create a gallery similar to what is at Herceg Novi Municipality. David notMD (talk) 12:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I will. We already prepared pictures for the website. The gallery should be at least as good as the one you linked to. Drzavanovska (talk) 12:33, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Drzavanovska, FYI - if you decide to re-use photos here which you've already posted on your website, be sure that the licensing on your site will permit such re-use (just as ColinFine mentioned above in regards to the text). This should prevent any licensing questions/issues. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:00, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Or take new photos, even of the same locations. P.S. Avoid using "We" (As in "We alreadt prepared..."), as Wikipedia accounts are for individuals, not more than one person. David notMD (talk) 15:01, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

How to manage watchlist

Since I started using Twinkle to revert vandalism, my watchlist has been useless. It's full of pages that were vandalized and un-vandalized weeks ago. While this can be useful while patrolling recent changes, I now can't keep track of pages I actually care about. I assume there's an obvious solution to this that I'm missing. 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:06, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

When you're looking at your watchlist, there's a link at the top that says "Edit your list of watched pages". Click that and you can manage your list of watched pages. --Jayron32 13:19, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

And if your watchlist is currently set to add all articles that you edit to it, you might want to turn that off in your preferences. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 13:22, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Festucalex: I use a script called watchlist cleaner which will allow you to clean out your watchlist with various settings (Such as removing articles you haven't edited in a while, articles you've never edited, or articles that have been deleted). You might find it useful for your needs. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm aware of that, but I have around 300 pages in there. I can't go around manually deleting 50 pages from the watchlist every time I patrol recent changes. Isn't there a way to automatically exclude pages added by Twinkle? 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:55, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Festucalex, see Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences#Revert and rollback. It has a setting "When reverting a page, how long to watch it for:" Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:57, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

300 pages is nothing compared to my 5,131 pages lol ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:58, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I should probably clean that out at some point... ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:00, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Eeeek!! I watch ~30 and thought that was a lot. David notMD (talk) 15:06, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

That's what happens when I have it set to watch pages upon rollback and I use SWViewer (annoyingly I can't tell it to only watch them for 30 days) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:09, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Helpme

please create and edit on behalf of RENANDA REZA CAHYONO IS A WRITER on the wattpad, goodnovel and noveltoon applications. I edited it yesterday and it's complete but mine was deleted and locked by someone. therefore I want to propose to be edited so that it is not deleted again. Thank You Muhammad bian (talk) 13:57, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Muhammad bian, welcome to the Teahouse. Draft:RENANDA REZA CAHYONO still exists, but among other problems, it is not written in English. Please review Help:Your first article and our notability guideline for authors. I'm not familiar with Goodnovel or Noveltoon, but Wattpad is a self-publishing platform, so having works posted there is not terribly impressive by our standards. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:27, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

All three are self-publishing platforms. The sources provided all appear to be crowdsource/blog stuff. @Muhammad bian, I'm afraid that person simply isn't notable yet by Wikipedia standards. Here's a link to more information: WP:AUTHOR. Valereee (talk) 15:36, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Muhammad bian (talk) 17:37, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Help

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Muhammad bian (talk) 17:40, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

help me Muhammad bian (talk) 17:41, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Muhammad bian, none of those sources is good enough to prove a claim to notability, which is the minimum Wikipedia requires. Please read WP:AUTHOR. Valereee (talk) 17:44, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Taken to user talk. Valereee (talk) 17:56, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Making sure that the topic I'd like to write is notable or not

Hello,

I'd like to write about a cloud platform called "SSD Nodes", based in the US and present in 8 countries around the globe since 2011, who always worked towards providing VPS hosting as a resource that even students, solo developers, or startups can smoothly provision.

There is already Wikipedia articles discussing similar platforms like: Linode and DigitalOcean.

The aim is to shed the light on the cloud computing technology, along with the hosting and domains subscriptions. The added value, is a parallel blog platform called "Serverwise", showcasing VPS hosting tutorials and articles on development, self-hosting, and more.

It has already been awarded by G2_Crowd, the business software and services reviews, multiple awards, with the most recent being:

- Fastest Implementation (Small Business) - Spring 2023

- High Performer - Spring 2023

Could this topic offer enough notability before I draft an article?

Thank you!

Marc

Telecoms Engineer SSD Nodes (talk) 14:01, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @SSD Nodes, welcome to the Teahouse. Our notability guideline for organization is at WP:NORG. You can start reading through that, but the basic idea is that you need to find multiple independent, reliable, published secondary sources with in-depth coverage of the subject (see WP:42). Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Have you found any such sources about this company? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:32, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• See This page. A subject is presumed to be notable enough for a stand-alone page so long as there is sufficient writing about the topic in reliable, independent sources, which is to say that there exists, out there in the world, enough reliable source text in things like books, journals, magazines, websites, etc. which are both sufficiently detailed to allow a well-developed encyclopedia article, and which are completely independent from the subject in question. We don't really care about awards or anything like that; those are meaningless for our purposes. All we care about is "is there enough good, reliable, and independent source text to use to research and WP:CITE when writing a good article". If the source text exists, then the article can be written. If the source text doesn't exist, then the don't write the article.--Jayron32 14:34, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• Also, completely separate from whether or not the article should be written, because of Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy, you should definitely not be the person writing it. That's because, as someone who has a close connection to the subject in question, you are likely unable to remain neutral when writing about it. --Jayron32 14:34, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

And on top of all that, @SSD Nodes, I believe there is a problem with your username. It does not represent you as an individual - instead you have chosen to use the name of this company. This is against our username guidelines, and I strongly suggest you either abandon this account in favor of a differently named one, or request a change in username via the process described at Wikipedia:Changing username. Otherwise you're likely to end up blocked. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:47, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

User Page

How to create a user page for authors 49.37.223.199 (talk) 15:51, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. User pages are for Wikipedia editors to tell about themselves as Wikipedia editors. Here's my user page. Are you asking how to write an encyclopedia article about an author? (which is very different) 331dot (talk) 15:58, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Also to note ip editors such as yourself and myself do not have user pages. You would need to create a named account first if that is what you are asking about (I.e. 331dots user page). 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:78CC:6741:3C62:5708 (talk) 10:17, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

company profile

I have been trying to upload a renowned company profile as an article that has really helped people in crisis around the world and have been working for sustainable development. But, my article always faces a rejection. Humais sheikh (talk) 16:21, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Humais sheikh, welcome to the Teahouse. The reviewer left a long comment at the top of Draft:Giga Group Of Companies, explaining that more sources are needed to establish notability, and that the tone of the draft needs work. The entire Ambition section, for instance, is far from encyclopedic. You also need to remove the inline external links within the body of the draft. If you can fix those issues, your draft has a much better chance of being accepted. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:29, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Fair use images of mass killers?

I was just reading up on the Sandy Hook shooting, Nova Scotia attacks, and the Buffalo shooting, and noticed none of them have images of perpetrators. I was going to be bold and add in fair use ones, but thought that with how established and heavily edited these articles were, there might be some kind of consensus against it or someone would have done it by now.

Is there any specific reason or consensus against adding these images? Or has no one bothered to yet?

Cheers,

~~~~ Bremps! 16:48, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Bremps!, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know if there has been discussion, but I suspect that the problem would be justifying WP:NFCC no. 8: Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. ColinFine (talk) 17:13, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the speedy reply! I'll reference that going forward. Bremps! 17:24, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Want to join Counter-Vandalism

Wanna join Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit group was written to add Teahouse this did but showing error on my user page please anyone fix this. NP83 (talk) 17:29, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

NP83, to add yourself to Category:Wikipedians in the Counter-Vandalism Unit, simply link the category like so: [[Category:Wikipedians in the Counter-Vandalism Unit]]. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 17:48, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

While an article awaits review I’d like to work on another in the sandbox.

However, the sandbox currently has a redirect to the pending article in question. Is there a way to remove this redirect, without interrupting the review process, so as to free up the sandbox space? Thank you! Applejack39 (talk) 19:06, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello Applejack39, done. User:Applejack39/sandbox is now empty and you can work on a new draft. 〜 Festucalex • talk 19:40, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!! Applejack39 (talk) 21:39, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Also, Applejack39, I suggest you don't move the sandbox the next time you finish a draft. Start with a dedicated draft in your userspace in the first place. For example, I created Hic Rhodus, hic salta by moving it from User:Festucalex/Draft:Hic Rhodus, hic salta, not from User:Festucalex/sandbox. 〜 Festucalex • talk 19:44, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

You could also create it directly in draft space, avoiding the first move altogether. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 21:40, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!! Applejack39 (talk) 21:54, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Nominating to WP:GA for the first time

Yesterday, I rewrote Amal Dunqul from scratch, and I think it's a pretty good article now. Can someone look it over informally and give me some advice and suggestions before I actually go through with the process of nomination? I have no idea if it's even eligible for GA or not. 〜 Festucalex • talk 20:13, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Something that stands out instantly: you will need to improve the lede. Have a look at MOS:LEDE. At a really quick skim, it also looks like this leans far too heavily on a single source - you should be able to find and use a greater variety of academic sources for a GA. -- asilvering (talk) 20:41, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

See, now that's a problem. There just aren't many good sources about the guy. Most sources online and offline regurgitate the same couple of factoids about him. 〜 Festucalex • talk 20:43, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hm, that's a surprise, given the biographical details in the article. Can you find scholarship about his poetry? A modern edition of his work should include both biographical details and analysis of his style, etc. -- asilvering (talk) 23:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

You added three of his poems, in Arabic and in English translation, with ref at end of translation. I believe that is a copyright infringement. Also (and it does not matter if the poems need to be removed), are the translations from the reference or are those your translations? David notMD (talk) 08:49, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

How to write an article in small bits

I’m planning on writing an article that is a pretty wide topic, and I can’t complete it in just one day. How do I write it in small bits one by one and then publish it all? (I do not want to go through the aoc process) Vamsi20 (talk) 21:56, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Vamsi20 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, use WP:DRAFT for more information on writing articles, then use this link to start a new draft for the article you wish to create. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 22:00, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Note that the WP:AFC process is not required for autoconfirmed editors. You can move it directly into mainspace if you wish, where it will be reviewed by new page patrollers. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:18, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, i do know that (I created an article before in main space)

I think I might have come up with a solution: I can write the article in my user space, and then copy the source and place it into the article in the main space, would this work? Vamsi20 (talk) 22:48, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Another option is that you could move your draft/userspace draft directly into mainspace. Cut and paste moves are discouraged.

Asparagusus (interaction) 23:02, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I do this all the time. Here's an example: [5]. When you move the page to mainspace, it will leave a redirect in the original location. (Example: [6]). That way all your edit history is saved and you don't have to ask for a speedy delete on something in your userspace. -- asilvering (talk) 23:08, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Tag 4 deletion

how do i tag an article for deletion Blitzfan51 (talk) 00:29, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Blitzfan51, it depends on why you think it needs deletion. See Wikipedia:Deletion policy for the various ways you can ask for an article to be delete. Sometimes asking with more specifics can be helpful as well. But, WP:SPEEDY if you think it can be deleted without a doubt and should be done immediately; WP:PROD if you think it's uncontroversial to delete but think it may be otherwise; WP:AFD if you're not sure or the previous two were declined. WP:BLARing (blanking and redirecting) is also an option if the situation is right.Ask here or on the article's talk page could be helpful if you're not sure. Skynxnex (talk) 01:18, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Extraction

hello, not so long ago I added a Russian translation to the page indicated above, but I was refused, can I know why? Timur699 (talk) 00:31, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Timur699, this is the English Wikipedia. Content here is only written in English, not Russian. If you wish to contribute in Russian, there is a Russian Wikipedia at ru.wikipedia.org. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:33, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Draft Review Request

Hello! I request the revision of the article that I have in draft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Luis_Labori Ftrbnd (talk) 02:08, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ftrbnd. The notice at the top of your submitted draft says:

"Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,689 pending submissions waiting for review."

There is nothing anyone can do to alter this, and Teahouse responders are generally not Reviewers, or we would be doing that rather than responding here. But "4 months or more" is the worst-case scenario – someone might choose to do it tomorrow!

I will say that your Draft is at least adequately referenced (perhaps even over-referenced) and has a normal format, unlike many, so Reviewers are likely to tackle it sooner rather than later. Best of luck! {The poster formerly known as 897.81.230.195} 176.249.31.43 (talk) 07:33, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

FYI

The draft has now been reviewed and declined for lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:18, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Intro tone and grammer rating

Hi can someone rate the grammar and tone of the these pages: Current constituency -> Visakhapatnam East Assembly constituency and defunct constituency -> Visakhapatnam-I Assembly constituency, so that I can proceed with ce works on other assembly constituency pages too in the respective category. Also I am sorry as I don't know where to ask this question hence asking here. 456legend(talk) 06:11, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@456legend welcome to Teahouse! Super important and wonderful that you are doing this! Here is not the right place to seek content feedback. If someone has further ideas they can either edit the articles directly or raise a discussion on Talk page of the respective articles. Another option is to ask on WP:INDIA which is a WikiProject for people interested in articles about India. Thank you for improving Wikipedia! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:16, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Shushugah Thank you for the input. 456legend(talk) 15:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Rejection of proposed article National Museum of Asian Art

@JMutka: Sometime in 2019, the Smithsonian Institution decreed that henceforth, the Arthur M. Sackler Gallery and the Freer Gallery of Art would comprise the National Museum of Asian Art. In February 2023, an attempt to create a Wikipedia article for this new entity was rejected on the grounds that there was insufficient coverage of this new entity in secondary sources. For what it's worth, English Wikipedia appears to have a few dozen articles with redlinks to the National Museum of Asian Art.

I am going to accept that the rejection of this new article was a correct application of the rule, and notwithstanding that, I nevertheless assert that this article ought to exist. If a rule decrees that the creation of this article is improper, then the problem is with the rule.

To be clear, I actually have no interest in correcting the rule nor in demonstrating that the rule does not properly apply, I'm just pointing out that this application of this rule is detrimental to Wikipedia. Fabrickator (talk) 07:18, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't know what sources were used at the time, but some useful ones exist:[7][8]. I'm not saying these two are enough for WP:GNG, but they help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:36, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Just for the record, the draft was not rejected, but declined. This is a material difference, as decline means it can be resubmitted after the reasons for declining have been addressed. However, the author appears to have requested speedy deletion instead. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:42, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Fabrickator You can ask for the draft to be restored and then add more references before resubmitting. As drafts can stay drafts for six months, it is even possible that stuff not yet published can become refs. David notMD (talk) 09:01, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

David notMD To be clear, I am not volunteering to do that. Fabrickator (talk) 09:21, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Then I'm not clear on why you are bringing this up if you have no interest in working to reverse the decision at issue or in working to change the rule. I mean, that's fine, you don't have to, but I don't understand what your goal is. 331dot (talk) 09:27, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

So, what you are saying, Fabrickator, is "I don't know or care what your rules are, but you've got it wrong, so yah boo sucks to you!" Is that right? ColinFine (talk) 13:38, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I suppose that I have a deep philosophical difference of opinion about this. Some editor came along and they corrected a particular problem in Wikipedia. Nobody is coming forth to dispute that the new article wasn't needed. Rather, the claim is that somebody didn't abide by the proper process.

I am claiming that there wasn't anything wrong with content that had been added, but if somebody believed that there really was some deficiency in the content that was added, then the proper response would have been to make the change they believed was required, not to revert that change and make things worse.

If the Wikipedia editor community (such as it is represented in this discussion) has determined that that the revert of that change was in accordance with the Rules of Wikipedia, then on that, I am going to disagree (i.e. either the added content was in accordance with those rules, or alternatively, that those rules are defective).

My contention is that this is an issue of either bad or misconstrued policy, and I choose to call out that the policy is either flawed or misapplied, and that to comply with this erroneous "as applied" policy would only serve to reinforce the bad policy or application of policy. I've called out the problem, but this does not mean I have some sort of moral obligation to fix it.

You could construe my point to be that if you're gong to make a change, you should make things better, not worse. I contend that is what I am doing by refusing to add the source that is being demanded, and that in doing so, I am encouraging other editors to realize where the true problem lies. Fabrickator (talk) 14:22, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

You may point out whatever you wish(though this isn't really the forum to do that, the Village Pump is better) but to be frank if you are unwilling to work on the problem, very few people will pay attention to you and you are just taking up volunteer time. If you feel that a policy was incorrectly applied, or that a policy is wrong, it's up to you to do something about it. Not morally, just because we're all volunteers here. 331dot (talk) 14:34, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. Setting aside the issue of whether this is the best place for this discussion, I am doing something about it. I'm calling out what seems to be a problem with what I argue is an erroneous policy or a mis-application of policy. Discussing theoretically how a policy might have bad results is unlikely to have any good effect, while "fixing" the problem (e.g. by adding a source to support the claim) only reinforces the bad practice (i.e. declining/rejecting an AfC under these circumstances).

I contend my comments here are productive. They could lead to a refinement of a rule, inasmuch as the intention of the new article would presumably have been to establish the relationship to two pre-existing articles, so maybe this is a distinct sort of case. Or maybe we just need some other sort of "exception" to the requirement for a source. What's a little weird in this case is that the name change is effectively based on what would be an acceptable "self-published source", since the Smithsonian Institution is decreeing the terminology it will use to refer to these collections ... the only issue here is the fact that it implicates the creation of a new (or possibly renamed) article. OTOH, it actually looks like, contrary to the explanation of the decline, there were appropriate sources actually available (which bypasses the issues I have raised, but which begs the question as to why one would have chosen to support the AfC decline). Fabrickator (talk) 17:10, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Fabrickator, the topic is clearly notable and we ought to have an article about it. Your draft was not rejected. Instead, you were asked to do a little bit more work but you chose not to do that and instead asked for your draft to be deleted. According to the WP:GNG, A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Your draft had two sources. One was to the Smithsonian's own website, which is not an independent source and therefore does not establish notability. The second, a Washington Post article, was excellent. So, you had one source that indicated notability but the word "sources" in the guideline is plural. A quick Google News search shows plenty of other significant coverage of this combined museum in reliable, independent sources. All you would need to have done is select the best two or three of them, add them to the draft, and it would have been accepted. Instead, you chose to take your ball and go home. That's kind of sad, but it's the path you chose. Cullen328 (talk) 17:53, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Cullen328. Well, not my draft! If the article just needed to have a source added, shouldn't it have been moved to draft space rather than declined? (I'm completely unfamiliar with the process.) Alternatively, it could have been accepted with a tag added regarding notability. Fabrickator (talk) 19:09, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I apologize, Fabrickator. I thought you were the author. I am not sure what you mean when you say "shouldn't it have been moved to draft space rather than declined?" It was a draft and it was submitted to AFC, and declined for the reasons I explained above. The unusual thing is that the author requested deletion instead of correcting the very easy to fix problem. Cullen328 (talk) 19:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Cullen328 So if I'm understanding this correctly, the user involved submitted his draft, it got declined on the grounds that it wasn't notable. That happened on 17 February 2023. At that point, it would have been left in draft space, but rather than just leaving it in draft space, he asked to have it deleted. Perhaps he didn't understand how to address the issue of it being not notable (having been told that it actually wasn't) or perhaps he was just annoyed at the process. And if that's the fact, then I'm empathizing with him, which is really in line with what I've been saying. Fabrickator (talk) 20:32, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Fabrickator, the reviewer did not say the the topic is not notable. Instead, the decline notice said: This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject), reliable, secondary, independent of the subject. Cullen328 (talk) 20:44, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I have requested undeletion, so that others can improve the draft. Theroadislong (talk) 20:47, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I have restored Draft:National Museum of Asian Art and any editor can work on it. I will be off Wikipedia for several hours but will accept the draft later if it is improved. Cullen328 (talk) 22:00, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328 I had a look for refs and added some --- on the talk page I suggested merging the two gallery articles into this one..... Regards, Ariconte (talk) 00:10, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

National Museum of Asian Art is now a mainspace encyclopedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 05:11, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Couldn’t the Smithsonian Institute announcement be used as a source though since it is not only a museum, but also an educational and research institute? I’m asking just out of curiosity. 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:78CC:6741:3C62:5708 (talk) 09:57, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, this type of source can be used as a reference for basic, uncontroversial facts. But it does not contribute to assessing notability because it is not independent of the topic. Please read WP:ABOUTSELF. Cullen328 (talk) 17:13, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

When is it necessary to create album pages for artists?

Can I create an album page for an artist? Squarcillow (talk) 08:04, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Squarcillow Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are referring to creating an article about an album(the parts of the encyclopedia are called "articles", not "pages"), an album merits an article if it meets the notability criteria for albums, as shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 09:08, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I guess I can't then. Squarcillow (talk) 09:43, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Help me out with an article on Sanket Goel

Hi! Can anybody help me out with this article. Draft:Sanket Goel This article has been declined 3-4 times due to referencing and citations issues. I've worked to fix them but I wanna if there is anything else possible. It would be great if you guys could help me out.

Shashy 922 (talk) 09:31, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Shashy 922 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The draft has been declined, not rejected- rejected would mean resubmission is not possible. You have submitted it for another review, the reviewer will give you feedback. 331dot (talk) 09:48, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Shashy 922 Your references need a lot of work. Most are bare URL, when they ought to use the full {{cite web}} template, with as many parameters such as author, date and access-date filled in. This is so readers can verify the information and it is properly credited to the people who created it. Also, the cite must back up what the text says. I picked this URL which is supposed to confirm he was a Fulbright scholar. It led to an Excel file that was supposed to contain a list of these scholars but actually had no data at all! That is simply not good enough. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:55, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Will work on them. Shashy 922 (talk) 11:49, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I worked on all the references and filled all the fields possible in {{cite web}}. Please tell me if there is anything else Shashy 922 (talk) 12:48, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

The great majority of the refs, for example 7-20, are only name mentions of Sanket Goel. I did not check 1-6. As such, those do not contribute to Wikipedia notability. Unless there are publications ABOUT Goel, not just mentions of projects he has been part of, he may fail notability. That said, academics are rarely written ABOUT, but there are criteria described at Wikipedia:Notability (academics) for establishing notability, including such criteria as holding an endowed chair at a university, winning significant awards and being a member of a reputation-exclusive scientific organization. Being highly cited matters. David notMD (talk) 13:40, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Can I use his google scholar h-index to show how much cited he is? Also I did include his memberships as editor in various scientific journals and also his fellowships such as Fulbright and JSPS. I have also included some awards he has won. I'm still working on finding more references and sources, but I haven't found any 'ABOUT' the subject yet and more on the subject's research and patents. Shashy 922 (talk) 14:30, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

If there are not sources that are about him, discussing him in depth and showing how is notable, he would not merit an article at this time. His work being cited means little unless there are sources that discuss why he is cited a lot. 331dot (talk) 16:39, of 1 April 2023 (UTC)

331dot, this is not a correct summary of WP:ACADEMIC, which is a distinctive notability guideline that does not require "sources that are about him, discussing him in depth". Unusually heavy citation in the relevant academic field is sufficient in itself. Cullen328 (talk) 05:17, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, my bad. I missed that he was an academic. 331dot (talk) 07:12, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Fellowships are not considered significant awards. Same for being on editorial boards of journals. Same for being inventor for issued patents. I doubt being at Fellow level at IETE and IE are prestigious enough to convey notability. David notMD (talk) 17:28, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I found three new sources, 1 which is an interview of him (https://theeducationpost.in/simplest-solution-most-functional-sanket-goel-bits-pilani/) by the Education Times. I believe that this source is really 'ABOUT' the subject as it discuses the subject's roots and visions. Shashy 922 (talk) 03:41, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I added the references in the draft and have published it. Can you please have a look once again and see if there are any further problems? Shashy 922 (talk) 04:07, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I found some new sources and have updated the article. Is there anything else to be done with it? Shashy 922 (talk) 08:17, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

How to find pages that need imagery?

I've just been searching for Wikipedia articles in my locality that are lacking imagery. I'd love to be able to give back to Wikipedia by donating some of my time to providing photos for articles in the place I live.

Are there any guidelines on this beyond: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us/Licensing? For example I found a page about a brewery up the road from me and noticed it has no photo. Can I take a photo of the exterior of the building and upload it to the article?

Also is there any way to list articles without images that are relate to locations in a specific city? I did look at a wikimap but as it's dependent on articles having geocoordinates, I suspect it's only revealing a small number of the articles around me. I'd be delighted to go out on a photo cycle once a month capturing photos of places around me for Wikipedia. Alex Leonard (talk) 12:57, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello Alexleonard and welcome to the Teahouse. Take a look at Special:Nearby. You may be asked to allow Wikipedia to access your location. You will then see a list of articles accompanied by a thumbnail image. If there is no image it is likely that one is required. To switch to a different loction, edit the URL bar with the new longitude and latitude. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:27, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah super, thanks so much for the answer. I had a feeling there was something like that but couldn't find it. And whilst it looks quite bare for me (I'm in Berlin, Germany), if I visit the German version https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:In_der_N%C3%A4he there are a lot more local articles listed. I'll scout through there and see if there's anything I can contribute to. Thanks again! Alex Leonard (talk) 13:45, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Alexleonard, I'm pretty sure there are categories something like Category:Image requests in Cincinnati or something. Hm... Valereee (talk) 17:18, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Here we go: Category:Wikipedia requested photographs by location Valereee (talk) 17:19, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh very cool! I'll keep watching that and see if I can help that way. Thanks! Alex Leonard (talk) 08:44, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Pixels

If the normal size of a file contains 307 pixels, how can I make higher resolutions of that file? Flag Creator (talk) 13:41, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

You can't. I suppose strictly speaking reducing the size will increase the resolution, but you can't retrieve information that is not there. See Image resolution. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:55, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Shantavira if you didn't, you would be instantly wealthy for finding a way for companies to transmit data with lower broadband costs. Netflix would love it! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:13, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Flag Creator: If you mean the uploaded file is 307 px and you want to display a larger version then it's not possible in our MediaWiki software. If you try to specify a larger size then it's just displayed at the uploaded size. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:22, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Shantavira Don't you watch detective shows on TV? They frequently "enhance" a picture, such as a grainy security camera image, so they can see a face or read a license plate. We just need to do what they do! David10244 (talk) 13:36, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'm new and I'd like to contribute the proper way

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia. I tried to add a template on the sandbox page, but I did smething incorrectly.

I don't know what I did wrong, I wrote the paragraph and then I added a link, apparently only the link got through but not the paragraph, I must have missed a step, could someone help me, please? Truthbetold27 (talk) 15:44, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi there, Truthbetold27! Which edit exactly? Thanks, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 15:49, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I have revealed the hidden text for you in your sandbox. Theroadislong (talk) 15:50, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Ok, so, do I go to my sandbox? Truthbetold27 (talk) 16:07, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I see the paragraph I intended to add revealed, thank you. Now, how do I get it resubmitted witouth incurring in an error, please? Truthbetold27 (talk) 16:32, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Have you considered adding to the Grigori Grabovoi article? Wikipedia's standard for the creation of a standalone article is notability. The policy is at this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability It's often summarized as at least 3 reliable, secondary sources. If the material you want to add only has one source, it won't meet our threshold for a separate article but can be added to an existing article. Take care, Rjjiii (talk) 07:30, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I went to the sandbox and it has a section where we can type, and I typed away, after I typed the paragraph, I clicked on 'insert' so that I could insert the link related to the information reported in the paragraph, but when I clicked on 'publish' it only sent the link and I must have missed a step. Thank you for your interest in helping me Truthbetold27 (talk) 16:06, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Template for quoting ChatGPT on chat pages

Is there a template that can be used for quoting ChatGPT on chattalk pages? Ideally a template that is aesthetically pleasing to the various readers, and makes clear the authorship and copyright status of the quoted text. Walt Yoder (talk) 17:28, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

There are no chat pages on Wikipedia, and ChatGPT should never be quoted in Wikipedia as it is not a reliable published source. If you can explain exactly what you want to do and why, we might be able to give you a better answer. Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:09, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

In most contexts, "chat" and "talk" are synonyms, and after mentioning ChatGPT I had the wrong word on my mind. Walt Yoder (talk) 18:41, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I would like discussions like the current one at Talk:Leather flying helmet to be more cromulent. Walt Yoder (talk) 18:41, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm not a host, but I'm pretty sure ChatGPT is not reliable, ChatGPT knows barely anything about the world post-2021, and you might miss a change or event that happened after that. Also, I'm not sure how you'd cite ChatGPT... Vamsi20 (talk) 20:01, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Walt Yoder, @Vamsi20 Proposals for a possible future policy on the use of such large language models within Wikipedia are being developed at WP:LLM. This already includes suggestions for their use (and attribution) on Talk Pages. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:46, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Franz Kafka's Diaries

I just added a paragraph to Franz Kafka's Diaries. It contains the first footnotes in the entry, and the footnotes appear at the bottom of the screen instead of where they should. I don't know how to fix that. I'd appreciate it if another editor would. Maurice Magnus (talk) 17:30, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

It was missing the "reflist" template, I added it for you. Theroadislong (talk) 17:59, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Refs in lead

So for a good article (good in a general sense, not the good article award thing), how many references should be in the MOS:LEDE? Or should there be no references at all? Vamsi20 (talk) 19:58, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Vamsi20. In general, references are not required in the lead section, as long as the body of the article is well-referenced, and the lead correctly summarizes it. There are exceptions, though. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section says: The verifiability policy advises that material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, and direct quotations, should be supported by an inline citation. Any statements about living persons that are challenged or likely to be challenged must have an inline citation every time they are mentioned, including within the lead.. Cullen328 (talk) 20:12, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Alright, my draft (here) has three refs in the lead...I think that's way too much, but again I do feel it's a broad claim. Vamsi20 (talk) 20:19, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Right now, you have a two-sentence, three reference Lead with no other content. OK as is, but perhaps there is an article to add? David notMD (talk) 02:57, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@Vamsi20, if you expand the article as David suggests you can then move your references from the lead to later sections. The policy on sources in the lead doesn't apply to very small articles with only a few paragraphs or sentences. Here are a couple examples of Featured Articles (having gone through Wikipedia's FA review) that are fairly short but have all references in the body paragraphs:

• Ignace Tonené
• Constantine (son of Theophilos)
• Fort Southerland

Good luck, Rjjiii (talk) 07:20, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I do have to write an article first, but I put this as a clarification (I’m Vamsi20 but logged out) 173.170.116.105 (talk) 16:19, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

HELP!

I need help understanding why my article is not being accepted. Can someone help? We are a cancer fundraising bike ride and just looking to get our information to the public. 100% of our profits go to Sarcoma cancer research. So when we get a decline, it hurts. Thanks 65.60.141.251 (talk) 20:52, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. That is exactly the wrong reason to write an article; it is a promotional purpose. Wikipedia is not a place for organizations to tell the world about themselves, even if they do good work. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic. 331dot (talk) 20:56, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

It does not matter that your organization is volunteer effort for a good cause. Your draft still needs to comply with Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) if it is going to be accepted. Cullen328 (talk) 21:13, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I have been submitting articles to publications since the 1970s, and know that all have specific rules and regulations for what they will publish. Wikipedia, an online encyclopedia, is no exception. I’m sure your cancer fundraiser is a worthwhile organization, and I hope that you are able to find ways to publicize the yearly bike ride. You may want to consider contacting newspapers, radio and television stations near Delaware, Ohio. Perhaps starting your own website or Facebook account would be worthwhile. Best wishes on your fundraising efforts. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:53, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Draft:CRFR - Ride for Reason has no refs about the ride. David notMD (talk) 03:14, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

To Dream film

hi, I just made a movie page and the infobox informations doesn't show and I would like some help. There is the link:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?create=Create+new+article+draft&editintro=Template%3AAfC+draft+editintro&preload=Template%3AAfc+preload%2Fdraft&summary=--+Draft+creation+using+the+%5B%5BWP%3AArticle+wizard%5D%5D+--&title=Draft%3ATo_Dream# Veganpurplefox (talk) 21:50, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Veganpurplefox. The infobox Template should go before the lead section. Also, you have an excess reference tag at the end of the infobox that may possibly be suppressing the display. Cullen328 (talk) 22:16, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm not to to understand what "before the lead section"? Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:21, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I have made some changes but it still doesn't show Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:31, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Veganpurplefox, you're asking about Draft:To Dream. You might attend to its prose. Just from the (short) lead:

• "Independant" → "independent"
• "The cast also include" → "The cast also includes"

and I don't understand "escape his life to America". -- Hoary (talk) 22:21, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

basically Luke's dad is abusive and Tommy's mom is depressed so both want to escape their lives into another country ,idk if it makes more sense? Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Veganpurplefox, "Both want to escape their lives to America as Luke's dad abuse abuses him and Tommy's mom doesn't tale take care of him as she only stares all she does is stare at the TV." -- Hoary (talk) 22:37, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Fixed the typos thank you! The infobox infos still doesnt show up though Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:43, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I also wonder why there is no "submission" table where I can find more sources and images. It supposed to be on top of everything Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:59, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Veganpurplefox. The infobox displays properly now, but your references are completely inadequate to establish the notability of this film, and that issue is far more important than an infobox issue. Infoboxes are optional, after all, but high quality references are mandatory. Cullen328 (talk) 05:30, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I wanted to add that there seems to be a conflict between the release date of 2016 (more hits on this date) and 2018 (only one hit on this date). I don’t see anything major about the movie except very low ratings and no nominations or awards were given. 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:78CC:6741:3C62:5708 (talk) 09:44, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Is this link better then?https://metro.co.uk/2016/07/23/diverse-future-of-uk-film-revealed-at-british-urban-film-festival-launch-6022375/ Veganpurplefox (talk) 17:32, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

the genre and studio in infobox still doesn't appear. The film was completed in 2016 buut

aswworld released online in 2018. I added a new source from Microsoft

c Veganpurplefox (talk) 11:47, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia wont let me Upload a Photo that my wife has copyright to

I have a photo of high historical value taken by my wife back in 1975 at a protest rally over the dismissal of the Whitlam Labor Govt in Australia.

The photo contains images of the then Premier of South Australia Don Dunstan, the then leader of the Australian Council of Trade Unions, Bob Hawke and the local federal member Chris Hurford MP marching up King William St, Adelaide sometime in late November 1975.

We have the only negatives and I have digitised the 35mm black and white film.

My wife would like the photo uploaded but she is not interested in becoming a wikipedia editor and in any case she would get the same response.

Wikipedia says I can't upload the photo as it thinks I don't have permission to use it.

How can I prove my wife has copyright and I have permission to upload it.

Bob Hawke Stringybark316 (talk) 22:10, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Stringybark316. Only the copyright holder can freely license the photo. That's your wife, not you. Are you trying to upload to English Wikipedia, or Wikimedia Commons? Cullen328 (talk) 22:21, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply

English Wikipedia.

Yes I know and my wife has given me permission to upload and identify her as the copyright holder. But I can't even upload it or indicate on the upload panel that she is copyright holder. Stringybark316 (talk) 22:43, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

To be crystal clear, Stringybark316, your wife CANNOT casually give you permission to freely licence the photo on her behalf, unless she completes and signs a very complex legal document with every t crossed and every i dotted. Any tiny error will cause the upload to be rejected. It would be vastly easier for her to register her own account and freely licence the photo herself. That's the easy, fast way, and the other way is the very hard and very slow way.Cullen328 (talk) 05:40, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I see no reason to upload the file to Wikipedia, Stringybark316. Instead, Wikimedia Commons is the place. Commons' page about its VRT describes what to do, and how and why. -- Hoary (talk) 02:04, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Will explore that. Stringybark316 (talk) 02:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Geographical References

Hi,

I have a very specific question with MOS:GEOCOMMA, which states the following:

"In geographical references that include multiple levels of subordinate divisions (e.g., city, state/province, country), a comma separates each element and follows the last element unless followed by other punctuation. The last element is treated as parenthetical."

What about Washington, D.C., or other similarly abbreviated multi-level geographical references, when not being used at the end of a sentence? In this way, "D.C." is followed by "other punctuation," but it is not being treated as parenthetical without a comma.

This may just be an edge case, but I have seen many instances with and without the comma, and not for other grammatical reasons so am very curious about it.

Thank you.

Edward Bednar (talk) 23:19, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

In general, I would say that either of the following are correct:

• Washington, D.C., has many lobbyists.
• There are many lobbyists in Washington, D.C.

This is how parenthetical commas are handled for locations in general. ( https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/Abbreviations/faq0048.html ) You'll probably receive a more thorough answer if you post to the Manual of Style talk page. I hope this helped, Rjjiii (talk) 01:34, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Rjjiii. Appreciate the input and reference to the Chicago MOS. I'm more familiar with APA. I'll post the question to the MOS talk page. I should have also mentioned that I have seen many instances without the parenthetical comma on prominent political articles (e.g., articles about presidents), which I won't edit without knowing how to handle per the Wikipedia MOS, with certainty. Thanks again. Ed Edward Bednar (talk) 13:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Why is that page flagged for review?

Hello! I'm new. I looked through the list of articles to improve and found this one. The improvement hint says to look for spelling, grammar, and tone. The page also has on on-page warning about tone, dating back to May 2022.

I see neither spelling errors, nor grammar errors. I also see nothing wrong with the tone of the article.

Am I missing something? Wandermunch (talk) 03:37, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Nothing obvious, Wandermunch, no. Here's how the article has changed from when the "improvement hint" (template) was attached until now: perhaps edits made during this period improved the article considerably. Feel free to remove the template. -- Hoary (talk) 04:36, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

What was the Library I was invited to again?

What was the Library I was invited to again? Because I forgot. I remember making contributions and enough to be just invited to a website of a library of some-sorts from an administrator, where you can get information from the most reliable pages. Can someone please direct me to that page, that would be very helpful. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 07:29, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

It's The Wikipedia Library. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 07:42, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

My edit wrongly reverted

Just had my edit reverted. Said not to be constructive. Buchi attended my secondary school but location of College was wrong. Methodist College is in Uzuakoli and not Enugu. Federal Government College is in Enugu. I had sent a message to Buchi Atuonwu that I had made the correction only to find out that it has been wrongly reverted 80.5.207.200 (talk) 08:53, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing up the matter here, rather than reverting the reversion. What the article Buchi Atuonwu needs are reliable sources, so that we have reason to believe that Uzuakoli is correct (or, if ObjectivismLover's suspicions are well founded, that Enugu is correct). If you can't immediately find a reliable source, then you're welcome to start a discussion about the problem at the foot of Talk:Buchi Atuonwu. -- Hoary (talk) 09:04, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Rewording

Hello all - I have posed a question on a televised shows talk page talk:Barnwood_Builders#Changes about the wording used in the article. The show doesn’t build just homes and such anymore. They build other buildings as well and also started a store where they use reclaimed wood and other reclaimed parts to build things to sell like kitchen carts, bars, etc. I wanted to get input from the community on how to best address this premise change. Thanks. 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:78CC:6741:3C62:5708 (talk) 09:27, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP, and welcome to the Teahouse! Great job seeking community consensus on your proposed changes. I would wait for other users to comment on the discussion, but if you do end up making the changes, be sure to cite reliable sources. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 10:21, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@Illusion Flame: Thanks! That is why I wanted to seek this as I saw a few episodes tonight and looked up the article which hadn’t had any major changes in a long time, especially on the lede where it cited an old reference from when the show started. I can work on finding some references somehow even though reading the episode descriptions well tell you alone “The team outfits a standard office with reclaimed wood and turns it into their new store…” I am assuming the description for the episode would not be an acceptable reference? 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:78CC:6741:3C62:5708 (talk) 10:34, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

References should be written material published on reliable websites or books. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 10:36, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Citing an affidavit

I'm looking to cite an affidavit (see here) in an article I'm currently writing but I'm unsure of how to do so or if I'm even allowed to do so. Help would be appreciated. --Dawnbails (talk) 16:57, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@Dawnbails, is WP:BLPPRIMARY on topic here? If not, I guess cite web is ok, pagenumber might be good to include. Also, I don't think it helps the case for WP:N. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Adding signatures to artists infoboxes

I saw that Peter Paul Rubens has a signature so I tried adding a signature to another artist and it didn’t allow me to do so, they both have the same type infobox “Infobox: artist”. How do I add a signature to artist infoboxes? ✠ Robertus Pius ✠ (Talk • Contribs) 17:19, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

The Infobox: Artist does not appear to have a dedicated parameter for signatures, as you identified correctly. In this kind of scenario, you can usually check the source code or the template parameters on the page that you're taking inspiration from. For example, the Peter Paul Rubens infobox solves this by using the "module" parameter. That parameter is given the following text: "{{Infobox person|child=yes :| signature = Rubens autograph.png}}". You can probably replicate this for any other article with an artist infobox if there is an image file of that artist's signature. Good luck! Actualcpscm (talk) 17:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah I see, I didn’t even notice, thank you so much! ✠ Robertus Pius ✠ (Talk • Contribs) 17:42, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

what is the "Subject/headline" bar

On this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_submission/draft/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:William_J._McGowan

I see the instruction:

First, copy and paste the following code in the 'Subject/headline' bar: 18:11:39, 2 April 2023 review of submission by Applemcg

---

I've copied the "following code", and am looking for the "Subject/headline" bar to paste it.

~ applemcg, aka martymcg@fastmail.com

p.s. it seems quite obtuse to me Applemcg (talk) 18:14, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@Applemcg, at the top of that page there are three numbered items. Number 1 is the one you quoted; it starts with "If you see two empty white boxes below, one small and one big, please complete the following, ...". But as you observe, there are not two white boxes below. So reading further, item number 2 says "If you see a single big input box below, which starts with ...". And if you look below, you will see that there is indeed a single big box which starts with that text. So you should ignore item number 1 and follow the instructions for item number 2. CodeTalker (talk) 18:57, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Here is an example link where it applies, but your link is preferred so don't use mine. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:59, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

then, _please_ clarify the first instruction, since i saw a white box under the first bullet and another white box under the second bullet.

i.e. = two white boxes.

again the curmudgeon, if it's possible to misinterpret an instruction, don't make the reader pay for it.

I suspect your instruction here will suffice. Thank you. Applemcg (talk) 19:15, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Pakhal Sarkar Article

Hello senior Wikipedia Editors. I have added information after reading Hazara Gazetteer 1883 and Hazara Gazetteer 1907. Pakhal Sarkar was a kingdom and I want to add template like I have seen in other Kingdom pages . please somebody add an template to that page so I became able to add information into the template Gibari Sultan (talk) 18:55, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Want to create an article.

Dont know if this is the right place to do this- im very new to wikipedia editing, but I want to make an article on the pyrotechnics incident in Montreal while Metallica was performing. Can someone please help me? Squebbs the Pebbs (talk) 19:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)