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Welcome to my talk page don't forget to sign your post using ~~~~ or the button. If you are looking for an old post of mine, it was probably archived by Cluebot so if it's over a week old, I suggest trying my archives which is linked to your right. If I don’t intend to respond to a post here, I’ll most likely just clear it off before it gets archived. I like to keep my talkpage pretty clean, I get annoyed scrolling through long talk pages. Also, regardless of if you're an admin or not, please do not revert my talkpage unless you are reverting a personal attack, copyright violation, or vandalism. Finally, if you're responding to a post on your talkpage, I would prefer if you respond there and ping me. Thank you and as always, Rock Chalk Jayhawk.
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Kadarius Toney

Hey man, I know it may have been a tough loss for the Chiefs on Thursday night, but Toney's performance was pretty noteworthy and made national headlines on reliable sources. PFF's score (even though I also don't like them that much) was also somewhat notable. I don't want to start an edit war with you, but just wanted to talk it out. I may be a Bills fan, but even if a Bills player struggles, I wouldn't be opposed to putting something about his struggles if it's pretty noteworthy (see Nathan Peterman or even Josh Allen's three pick game against the Atlanta Falcons). WuTang94 (talk) 04:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

@WuTang94: It has absolutely nothing to do with my team losing. Several years ago we had a discussion at WT:NFL to only include notable games, like reaching career milestones, breaking records exceptionally good games (for example, a quarterback throwing for 400 yards and 4 TDs) and uncharacteristically bad games from good players (like if Patrick Mahomes threw for 125 yards no touchdowns and 4 interceptions). Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. A google search of his name primarily just brings up results of him deleting his Twitter account and mentioning he had a couple critical drops. None of that qualifies for the consensus we came up with a few years ago to prevent NFL articles from getting excessively long.--Rockchalk717 16:27, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh gotcha. I do notice that lots of pages still have language such as "against the [insert team here] so and so had [insert stats here]", which repeats for every game the player plays in a season and becomes repetitive and even crufty, when it can be summed up in just a few sentences such as "Daniel Jones had a much improved second half of the season" or "Kyler Murray struggled noticeably from week 4 to week 14 before injuring his knee", and I've already had to clean up Josh Allen's page a few times.

I just thought it was noteworthy due to how crucial his drops were and how much coverage they got (even the page view metrics for his Wikipedia page were the highest ever following the game). Arguably, that one drop that led to the pick six had more weight on the Chiefs losing, especially as they only lost by one point. But ultimately, it's your choice what ultimately do with Toney's page, but I do think this game might be a pivotal one in his career, as even with Nathan Peterman's page, obviously his five-pick first start is notable, but I'd at least expect some mention of his struggles in 2018 even if they weren't as noteworthy. Just my thoughts unless my edits really do go against the policy that was decided. WuTang94 (talk) 16:41, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

You might be right and trust me as a Chiefs fan I was frustrated, even screaming "get him off the field" after that second drop, but once I log in here, my fandom is put aside and I edit based on policies and consensus, not my personal feelings.--Rockchalk717 22:32, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Could you point me to that conversation or the official policy on which performances are notable or not notable? That way I can know for next time. (I also figured to officially join the NFL WikiProject so hopefully that can allow me to stay up to date, especially after years of editing). Thanks, WuTang94 (talk) 01:02, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

I wish I could point you directly to it but it is quite difficult to locate old conversations on the project talk page even using the search bar. It took me years to join too so no worries if you joined late lol.--Rockchalk717 01:17, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh well

The NFL Network just posted it five minutes ago. I really wanted to ditch TMZ! Hope your classes went well. Bringingthewood (talk) 22:51, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello again. Not to mess up your talk page, I'll just continue here. I saw that you removed the sacks for Deacon Jones, and I removed Fred Dryer's. What do you suggest for the players who have totals listed, but started in 1981 or ended in 1982? L.T. for example, or Jack Youngblood. Should we just stay away from them (too much math and explanations) and stick to the careers ending prior to 1982? - Bringingthewood (talk) 23:22, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: You're good. My best recommendation is to go with NFL.com's sack total because they'll go with what is official.--Rockchalk717 00:14, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan. Right now it's nice and easy getting those who retired before 1982. If Watt only got one more sack in 2021, I could stop seeing the "unofficial" sack leader on Al Baker's page. I'll let you go ... thanks for the response. - Bringingthewood (talk) 00:22, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

We had a good page here all along List_of_National_Football_League_career_sacks_leaders. Several infoboxes were already correct. Glad you edited Deacon Jones, not sure if it's a WP rule, but the infobox should really show stats that are 'official only'. Bringingthewood (talk) 01:40, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: I think it's one of those unwritten rules more than anything. We do most things here based on being official, but that's the best thing I can point to about that.--Rockchalk717 03:20, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

The best and only thing. Sounds good to me. Hopefully most will leave these alone. Thanks again and have a good week. Bringingthewood (talk) 03:27, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: No problem, you too.--Rockchalk717 04:02, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Chase Claypool

Just so I understand, this is not a source?

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/chase-claypool-trade-bears-dolphins-nfl-draft

We're still waiting for the Bears or Dolphins to post something official on their websites? ParXivalRPT (talk) 15:13, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

@ParXivalRPT: They have now but for future reference yes.--Rockchalk717 15:15, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Also for future reference, when can his stats be included? When he actually plays in a game as a Dolphin? ParXivalRPT (talk) 17:34, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

@ParXivalRPT: Yes.--Rockchalk717 20:21, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Do you know if there is any consensus on if the "w" in "Week (X)" should be capitalized or not? Just so I have a source going forward to adhere to. Thanks again! ParXivalRPT (talk) 03:31, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

@ParXivalRPT: I don't think there's a consensus per se, but I think most people do lower case.--Rockchalk717 04:35, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

DJ Moore

(made a separate section to avoid confusion) Based on your recent edit on Claypool's page, do you want me to delete the rushing yard stat from DJ Moore's infobox on the top of his page? I didn't realize receivers should *only* have receiving stats there. ParXivalRPT (talk) 15:25, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

@ParXivalRPT: Yes. There was a discussion a couple years ago to only include stats notable for a players position, for receivers that's receptions receiving yards and touchdowns.--Rockchalk717 15:29, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Possible College of Faith Football Article

Since you're a college football fan, I'm sure you remember the College of Faith football teams of the mid-2010s (yes, there were two — three if you count the University of Faith out of Florida). I do think this would be an extremely interesting project, but I first need to complete the game log for all three teams. What do you think? This Reddit post offers great insight on the history of College of Faith up to 2014: (OC) The History of College of Faith: Background on the Noble Idea that Failed in Practice. Wjenkins96 (talk) 05:03, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Wjenkins96: I'm actually not familiar with that. I did do a google search about it and it turned up limited sources and several different schools popped up in the results. The problem with this I'm finding is, while with the little bit I saw it would be interesting, an article about it may struggle to pass WP:GNG, which are the basic general notability guidelines articles must follow to remain in Wikipedia. There must be multiple independent reliable sources in order for it to pass.--Rockchalk717 05:47, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

CONTACT ME

First, be polite. Your curtness is irritating. (See what I mean?)

Second, you have reverted several of my edits to Kansas Jayhawks related pages, especially to the 2023-24 MBB page.

You call them UNNECESARY EDITS but do not explain what makes them "unnecessary".

I was not in the mood to argue your previous reversions, but I am not letting the removal of the notice of the game honoring KU Alum and Hall John B. McLendon, Jr. go.

I understand I am a novice at this and you a seasoned hand, but that entry is a perfectly valid one and has even been addressed by KU AThletics on its website as part of its PR for the nonconference schedule.

Please contact me to discuss your reasoning. I would like to settle this misunderstanding between us, not in what looks to be a public forum.

I do not know how to contact you privately from here or I would. Perhaps you could help with this?

Thank you. LTCUSARet (talk) 19:37, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

RockChalk717, please go to the Talk page for KU MBB 2023-24 to repsond.

Thanks!

LTCUSARet (talk) 20:01, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

linebacker/defensive end

so are we just changing free agent pass rushers to the position that they played most of their career, rather than what they most recently played (Frank Clark)? If so please let me know so I can change/fix this for other pass rushers Bears247 (talk) 18:55, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@Bears247: I don't think there's a consensus either way but it doesn't make any sense to list a position a player played 2 games at (excluding games he was inactive) since college.--Rockchalk717 23:08, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Sacks prior to 1982

Hi RC. I've been having a conversation with @Sergio Skol regarding official sacks being listed, no sacks prior to 1982 etc. Sergio asked if I could start a discussion about it. I'm asking you because I originally saw when you removed the stats for Deacon Jones. There's no rule that I see, but I'm against it because the amount of players to change and designate official/unofficial would be insane. This can't be swept under the rug, what do you suggest as far as a discussion? I can't let this go, because I'm not, you're not and Sergio will not be in the mood to revert these every week. Bringingthewood (talk) 23:39, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I'm against adding stats to the infobox that are not official. Not against you removing them from Deacon Jones, lol. Bringingthewood (talk) 23:45, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

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How about it?

Would you lend us Jake Browning for this Thursday night? I'll give you Trubisky and let's sayyyyyy... a Bronx cannoli? Bringingthewood (talk) 05:09, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: In the words of Randy Jackson , Yeah that's gonna be a no for me dawg. Lol.--Rockchalk717 05:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

HA! It didn't hurt to ask. Besides, I really wanted that cannoli. Have a good week! Bringingthewood (talk) 05:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

KC CHeifs edit

Regarding the 10 of 11 playoff losses thing on Kansas City Chiefs, it seems really ridiculous to cherry pick stats like that and completely ignore part of the playoff run that happened that same season. That would be like if i said the Steelers had a 3-8 playoff record including and since the loss in Super Bowl XLV. Either include the whole postseason run or none of it. I believe it says between 1993 and 2017 correct? That includes the other playoff games then. If youre wondering, I’m not a chiefs fan saying this. I just think it doesn’t make sense to ignore part of a playoff run that happened the same season to further a choker narrative. Eg224 (talk) 19:34, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Edit: someone added the afc championship to the heading mentioning it as the beginning of the streak, so, I think it’s fine now. Eg224 (talk) 19:36, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Eg224: I'm a Chiefs fan, why would I cherry pick a stat that is negative to my team? I added the AFC Championship thing to make it more clear of the point that was being made. I also added that "10/11" comment myself several years ago. The comment was added to better paint an image of the franchise turnaround, not necessarily to call them choke artists, even if I did use that term myself off of Wikipedia multiple times during that stretch in frustration.--Rockchalk717 19:50, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

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ITN recognition for Ed Budde

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Revert you made

Hey I am not understanding on what you mean on that revert you made just now? (And is there a way we can fix that up to make it work?) Hoopstercat (talk) 03:36, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@Hoopstercat: Just because something is sourced, doesn't mean it should be included on Wikipedia. This place isn't just for including random bits of information. The playoffs page is for the playoffs and what happens, not listing every possible scenario. There is nothing to fix, just plain simple it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. If people want to know clinching scenarios they can google it.--Rockchalk717 03:42, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok that makes sense, but removing teams that have playoff berths but not sure on seed does not make sense Hoopstercat (talk) 03:43, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

@Hoopstercat: Yes it does because it's already covered in the participants section, just without the extra detail.--Rockchalk717 03:44, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Still at least need a note at this moment to include several teams that have clinched division/playoff berths but not sure on seeds (or otherwise we need to include the seed possibilities that those teams fit since seeding is related to playoffs and those teams being left out doesn’t make sense) Hoopstercat (talk) 03:55, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

College football page lengths

I'm revisiting the Miami Hurricanes football page and wanted to ask: Have you seen an example of a page split into sub-pages as you propose? I looked at a few that are of equal or even greater length, such as Notre Dame Irish football, and am not seeing that. I do see main and further references under headings, but that already exists on the Miami page. I think it's the history you believe should be broken up, and that's where I'm wondering if you have seen any examples of what you're proposing. TheGables (talk) 22:25, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry about the misplacement. TheGables (talk) 23:47, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

All good. Notre Dame definitely has a history page that is linked in the main page. See History of Notre Dame Fighting Irish football. That's an example. That page goes more in depth. It's not the greatest example because the history section of the main page is still quite lengthy, but it has a history page.--Rockchalk717 23:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Here again

ANOTHER CONGRATS! I felt like I was just here, lol. I hope you have a good ticker. Bringingthewood (talk) 03:49, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: After that game, I'm not so sure anymore lol. Thank you. Back-to-back is definitely special.--Rockchalk717 05:21, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

HA! I was all ready to send a note during regulation ... and then I even got nervous. I really didn't want a third team tied with six Super Bowls. But now I think that team from K.C. is going to make my head hurt in the near future. Hmmm. You're welcome and enjoy it once again. :) Bringingthewood (talk) 05:27, 12 February 2024 (UTC)