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I no longer have access to some pages

Hello, I can no longer access some pages that I have been working on for several years. These include: Cardano (blockchain platform). Can anyone tell me what's happened? GreyStar456 (talk) 09:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

@GreyStar456: The article you linked has been EC protected since 2021. But your account is already extended-confirmed, so you should be able to edit it. Could you describe the situation with more detail? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I have made edits to this page many times, most recently 23:34, 26 March 2024 diff hist  +82‎  Cardano (blockchain platform). Now, I see the EC padlock. I noticed it this morning. That's all I know. I've made 1,173 edits since 20 April 2020. GreyStar456 (talk) 10:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Does it save your edits when you click "publish"? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Panic over. There's now no problem. I don't know what happened. Apologies for bothering you. Thanks again. GreyStar456 (talk) 10:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

That's good. No problem at all. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @GreyStar456: - I see the issue has been resolved. What might have happened is that you tried to edit the page without being logged in. Madam Fatal (talk) 18:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

I was logged in. The page would not open to edit. I then opened and edited a non-locked page. After that, I went back to the Cardano page and it edited fine. I tried reproducing the error but cannot. No problem since.GreyStar456 (talk) 21:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Chiming in to say I think I experienced a similar issue on a different page. Glad to know I'm not just hallucinating things Sock-the-guy (talk) 21:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Reporting an I.P.

How do I report an I.P. who has been disruptively editing the article Elliana Walmsley? 70.50.199.125 (talk) 04:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I see one IP edit other than yours in the last month. How is that disruptive? RudolfRed (talk) 04:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Because this is the third or fourth time they have changed Walmsley's nationality to Greek! Walmsley is not Greek! But I reverted the other I.P's edit, but I just know that they will do it again. Considering they've done it 3 or 4 times beforem 70.50.199.125 (talk) 04:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

There is a persistent history dating back many months of IPs starting with 2a02 editing her being Greek, and being reverted. A request that the article be semi-protected would stop IPs from editing. David notMD (talk) 10:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

70.50.199.125 171.98.199.77 (talk) 22:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

"Critical reception" section of All 'n All

I think that section of the article is a bit too much. Like reviews are written word for word. Wouldn't it be better to just write the number of stars they received instead words from the reviews? Soapforduck(Say what?)(Did what?) 09:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

If you think you can improve an article, then either be WP:BOLD and make your edits (and if somebody disagrees, they'll revert you and then you can open a discussion on the talk page) or (especially if you think your changes may be controversial) go for the discussion on the talk page first. ColinFine (talk) 13:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine Well I was thinking of finding a way of shortening it but was worried that it might be better to leave it like that. Maybe I should start a discussion on the talk page? Soapforduck(Say what?)(Did what?) 13:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Soapforduck 171.98.199.77 (talk) 22:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Recent changes?

Has the recent changes page gone through a software update or something? Was it reworked? I haven’t been on in a while, so I just logged onto RCP for the first time in months, and the color coding of the different filters in my saved RC filters are gone, and the buttons to add colors to the filters are gone as well. Shadestar474 ^(talk) 06:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

The colors came back. Sorry, must’ve been a bug on my end. Shadestar474 ^(talk) 04:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Repeated contentious edits?

Hi, what do I do if someone keeps making the same edit on a page, despite me reverting the edit multiple times and asking for discussion? This editor is doing the same thing on this page too. Wafflewombat (talk) 12:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

You are both edit warring, and need to stop. Opening a discussion on the talk page is the right thing to do. If you are unable to reach consensus, then see dispute resolution for how to proceed. (Note: I haven't looked at the edits: this is general advice). ColinFine (talk) 13:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. I will take your advice and open a discussion instead of continuing to edit war. Wafflewombat (talk) 20:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Article declined due to "no reliable sources"

Hello, My article was just declined by Mr. ‪Iwaqarhashmi‬ due to apparently not having reliable sources. However, I have provided reliable sources for each statement posted on the page. I would kindly ask that to be reviewed again and clarified by a more experienced editor. Here's my draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kalin_Stefanov_(backgammon_player)

Thank you! Kalinators (talk) 13:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Kalinators Judging by your username and the nickname of Stefanov, you are trying to write an autobiography, which while not prohibited, nearly always fails for the reasons described at that link. Youtube is not considered a reliable source, for example, as it is the subject talking about himself. Our policy on biographies of living people requires reliable sources for all details, even dates of birth, which must be already published in sources meeting these criteria. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the response Mike. I wouldn't call it an autobiography, but that is correct, it is an article about myself. I followed the guidelines when beginning which included stating on my talk page that I am editing myself.

As to Youtube, it is only used as a source about the final of the world championship, where it was not the subject (me) talking about himself, it was commented by a third person and I was only present in the video as a player.

I have provided the tournament links of the two quoted results.

While writing the page I looked at a page of another not-world-famous backgammon player as reference to how it should look. Here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Vischjager, and it has only 2 source, both of which open a dead link. On the contrary, my sources are clearly confirming the statements. Kalinators (talk) 14:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kalinators. Unfortunately, Wikipedia has thousands and thousands of seriously sub-standard articles, most of them created before we were as careful as we are now about the quality of referencing. Ideally, somebody would go through those thousands of articles either improving them or deleting them if adequate references don't exist; but as this is a volunteer project where people work on what they choose, that doesn't often happen.

What we do not want is even more bad articles, so in reviewing draft we do not look at existing articles, but judge the draft on its own merits.

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

This of course makes it difficult to write successfully about yourself - what you know about yourself is (almost) irrelevant to writing an article: instead you must stick to what people who have no connection with you have published about you. ColinFine (talk) 15:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Kalinators: It may also be helpful to you to read WP:OVERCOME for more context about how articles do or do not end up on Wikipedia.   — TARDIS builder^✉     ★       13:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Encountering an issue

Hey Teahouse, I may/may not have an issue here,

I have been warned by this person for "unconstructive edits" and I wanted to know if there's anything I can do to possibly get this false warn addressed.

As looking at the revert on this article I noticed that the user reverted my changes after I correctly reverted back his changes after he REVERTED an admin's. revision. Of all my heart, the administrators reversion is absolutely correct, because the person that made these unfaithful edits has been blocked,

But heres the problem, after this happened, this user reverted the admins changes after and then I took part and reverted THE EDITORS mistake of reverting the edits there. Like stated above, after this all happened I got warned by the user for unconstructive editing (?)

I'm confused here because I've never been warned before, and it could possibly be false. I need help! GoodHue291 (talk) 19:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the difference in diffs [1] I don't see a difference between Izno's revision and the current revision. Maybe they misclicked some buttons on Twinkle. Then they seem to have self-reverted themselves. Also quick note that admins merely have extra tools, they don't have extra community power (an "admin" change holds no extra weight on the content side). As for the warning, you can just remove that from your user talk page or archive it - anyone can warn anyone. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 19:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I'll just remove the warning. No need to archive it because it'll already be archived in the page history. GoodHue291 (talk) 21:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Will this obscure toy line qualify for inclusion on WP?

XPosted from User talk:Liz; originally posted May 2 with no response so far. WP:WikiProject Toys may be interested, but considering the low activity on their talk page, this thread's contributor decided to use the Teahouse just in case.

An article on Woodsey--a very obscure toy line produced by Fisher-Price at the turn of the 1980s--has sat idle in my sandbox for a decade and a half. At this writing, the only coverage thereof is the barest of a one-line mention in the "Historic brands and products" section of its company's article.

Coming back to it this season as I clean out the sandbox one topic at a time (while transitioning to a brand-new AFC queue), I've found three--make that six--usable citations so far from the fishwrap morgue (via WP:Library) that may be enough for a standalone page. An ambitious task given that most of the WP Library hits are advertisements; if you or I can find more coverage, then we'll remind you!

Like I said...very obscure.

Toys

• Jinkins, Shirley Young (1979-03-25). "Dallas Toy Show previews Christmas '79 extravaganza". West Texas Living. San Angelo Standard-Times. p. 1E. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (Although this brand gets a one-paragraph description here, this is pretty much the earliest mention anywhere.)
• "This year's gift is tough: Preschool -- Play family". Anderson Independent. Anderson County, South Carolina. 1979-11-13. p. 2D. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (Description of the toys, dating back to the line's launch.)
• Pywen, Martha (1980-11-17). "Toy guide for parents: 16 experts give uninhibited opinions on eight newcomers". The Cincinnati Post Accent. p. 1B. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (The line, as the "Woodseys' Log House", is profiled here [with a related picture atop the article].)
• "New toys at library". The Sun Times. Owen Sound, Ontario. 1981-08-14. p. F12. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. ("Fisher-Price has produced two sequels to the Woodsey family house, the Woodsey Store and the Woodsey Airport.")

Books

• Sanders, Linda (1981-11-15). "Books: Woodsey series for children almost too good to be true". The Clarion-Ledger. Jackson, Mississippi. p. 18G. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (Mostly positive review of the four-book set, entitled the "Woodsey Log Library".)
• B.H.H. (1980-12-20). "Favorites for young". World of Books. The Anniston Star. Anniston, Alabama. p. 8E. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (Paperback reprints are reviewed; again, mostly positive.)

It might as well be an understatement that this quoted excerpt from one of those tie-in books--Uncle Filbert Saves the Day, the one I've always remembered from my primary-school youth in the Commonwealth of Dominica--aptly serves as a metaphor for my efforts those past several days, and (on a wider scale) for those committed to upholding WP's RS/notability expectations no matter the subject, vintage, demographic, or obscurity. (H/T Etsy product pics.)

"When will he [Filbert] settle down?" said Mama [Milkweed], shaking her head.

"Sometimes you have to run up many trees to find the right branch," said Papa, who often said things that took a while to understand.

But cute and daredeviling as he is, don't expect a separate Uncle Filbert article anytime soon, though...

Once this appeal gets the go-ahead, I'll put this straight in the mainspace--something I hardly ever do nowadays thanks to AFC.

Speaking of old-school cottagecore, I have a Bethany Roberts draft to revive soon enough--blame recent Miraheze duties for the oversight.

All the best...

Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 19:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Slgrandson, I have twice skimread the above and still don't understand what it is that you want to say. If you have a question about (or request for) editing, then please express it much more succinctly. -- Hoary (talk) 23:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary: As implied in the title/contents, I'd like to know if the references I've collected are enough/satisfactory for a standalone WP article on the subject before I go ahead and write it. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 00:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Slgrandson, I haven't looked at any of the sources you list, but the second and third of those you list for toys and the first of those you list for books sound as if they might, or might not, add up to material for an article. (The others sound minor indeed.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary: If you've got access to WP:Library, you can actually view them; that way, it might influence your decision further. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 01:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Slgrandson, Pywen, "Toy guide for parents": "temporarily unavailable", so I can't comment on it. "This year's gift is tough"; Sanders, "Woodsey series": both are usable, but to my mind they don't come close to evidencing notability. -- Hoary (talk) 09:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

"Toy guide" is now showing up where I am, @Hoary. For WP:THREE's sake: Care to check that link again to make sure you're not missing it this time? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 11:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Slgrandson, WP:THREE suggests that somebody proposing that a subject merits an article should "find the three [sources] that best meet WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV [etc]." The two I've already looked at don't satisfy WP:SIGCOV. -- Hoary (talk) 04:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

P.S. Perhaps we'll tow in Cunard (talk · contribs) to see whether we'll make it after all. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 11:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

If it doesn't merit its own article (and I haven't checked the new sources you found), why not just expand the existing Fisher-Price section where you say it is already mentioned? Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Why are only some claims marked with citation needed?

In the article about Idempotence, why is only the last claim, about quadratic matrices, marked as needing citation?

I understand that routine calculations do not count as original research, I feel that saying that 0 + 0 = 0 is not the same as the claim that "In the monoid  of the natural numbers with addition, only 0 is idempotent".

I realise it is possible the citation needed tag refers to the entire section, but I am not sure this is fully clear. Hambulance (talk) 20:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I should clarify I am referring specifically to the Examples section Hambulance (talk) 20:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

That's a good question. I see that @Jochen Burghardt was the one who added the citation needed tag. If they are still an active editor, perhaps they could provide more context. Pecopteris (talk) 20:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, they are an active editor, and should be able to answer your question. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 21:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Transfer WikiCommons picture to page

I uploaded a rare picture of Jerry Newton {Wayne Newton's brother} to WikiCommons. Can someone please get it posted on the site page Jerry Newton ? There is no updated picture on the site! 1984 date of this picture.

Thanks,

Tenneventdave Tenneventdave (talk) 22:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tenneventdave The file is File:Jerry Newton 1984.jpg, but I am unwilling to add it to the article since there is an expressed concern (by me) at Commons about its licencing, source, etc 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I gave permission for anyone to use the file picture at wikicommons . I don't code !! Tenneventdave (talk) 23:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I see after responses it is the date stamp on the file! I just had several old 35mm slides transferred at my local photo shop recently. I need to show proof of my ownership of the original 35mm slide. The transferred slides all show other guests including myself! I cropped myself out of one of the best file closeups of Jerry. What to do? Take picture of whole slide showing June 1984 with white light under it? If it can't be posted on Wikipedia I'll just email the Jpegs to Jerry Newton's 2 sons. I know them both. Tenneventdave (talk) 00:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

(Duplicating the message I posted at the Commons deletion request page): Tenneventdate, are you saying that you took the picture, and therefore probably own the copyright? If so, then you have the power to license it in the way that Commons requires.If you did not, you almost certainly do not own that copyright, and cannot do so. If you can track down the photographer, they may be able to do so; but otherwise the picture cannot be hosted at Commons. It is possible that you could upload it at Wikipedia (not at Commons) as non-free content, but you would have to justify that its use met all the criteria in the non-free content criteria ColinFine (talk) 11:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Tenneventdave, please go to c:Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Jerry_Newton_1984.jpg and respond to the questions that the file poses. -- Hoary (talk) 23:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

my article was not approved. i just wanted to upload a bio because i thought it was free

Bio Queen of Junkanoo Sweet Emily (talk) 00:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a web host. Your 'bio' was rightfully removed. Wrosh (talk) 00:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello Queen of Junkanoo Sweet Emily. If you are not familiar with what an online encyclopedia is you may want to look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Karenthewriter

WIKIPEDIA TROLL - HELP

There's a a malicious user that every time we have created a page for our client in the entertainment industry, this person deletes it, anything about him, gets deleted, a a few years back this troll sent an email to my client saying "I will never allow you to have a wikipedia" for no reason whatsoever. What can we do about it? Anyone willing to help on here? Hollywood454545 (talk) 01:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hollywood454545: what is the name of the deleted article? If you are working on behalf of a client, you must comply with WP:PAID. RudolfRed (talk) 01:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

yes, there was nothing wrong with article. It was Victor Turpin, he's an actor. Hollywood454545 (talk) 01:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hollywood454545 the draft(s), Draft:Victor Turpin and Draft:Victor Turpin 2, were deleted under G13, meaning it was not edited in 6 months. You can request undeletion at WP:REFUND/G13. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks guys. is it better just to start a new draft? Hollywood454545 (talk) 01:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

No, the drafts can be restored for you to continue working on them. Contrary to your prior claims, there was no "troll" and the deletion was not malicious. Simply put, drafts are deleted if they are abandoned, and these hadn't been touched in six months, so they were deleted. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

How can I restore one of the drafts? and see it's content? Hollywood454545 (talk) 02:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Use the link above and make a request for undeletion. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 02:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

This link, @Hollywood454545. Pecopteris (talk) 02:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I already restored it. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

It is now at Draft:Victor Turpin. Back in 2019 much was removed for copyright violation, and then as mentioned above, deleted because abandoned. Now restored. Listing his movies does not convey notability. What ios essential is referenced articles about him. Interviews do not contribute to establishing notability. David notMD (talk) 02:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Announcements for his roles on Dateline and Hollywood reporter work? magazine articles? Hollywood454545 (talk) 02:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, @Hollywood454545, you're on the right track. Use what those sources say about Victor to write your draft article, and cite everything you write in the article directly to one of the sources. Make sure you understand this policy on "original research". If you avoid original research, and cite what you write to good sources, that's a good start. Make sure you also read our conflict of interest policy, since you said that Victor is a client of yours. Cheers. Pecopteris (talk) 02:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Hollywood454545. Mere announcements are not going to help, unless they go into some depth about him (and are not just regurgitating press releases). Basically you need to ignore anything written, published, commissioned, or based on the words of him, his associates, or his agents, and find places where people who have no connection with him have chosen to write at some length about him in reliable sources. Then write an article based on what those independent sources say about him. ColinFine (talk) 11:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, so national news papers? magazines with articles about him? no matter is in other language? Hollywood454545 (talk) 16:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hollywood454545 Yes, yes and yes. Before you make any further edits, please read and comply with WP:PAID, which describes a mandatory part of the terms and conditions for Wikipedia. Then you might find useful guidance in this essay. Mike Turnbull (talk) 08:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Annabelle Yates

•  Courtesy link: Draft:Annabelle Yates

please help me why this keeps getting declined and what do i need to do? GeorgeBergerson (talk) 02:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

GeorgeBergerson, a notice at the top of this page ("This submission's references do not show [...]" explains. It links to pages that have fuller explanations. Which part is (or which parts are) ambiguous or incomprehensible? -- Hoary (talk) 02:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

does this mean, i dont have enough info on annabelle reference wise GeorgeBergerson (talk) 04:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Only you know how much material you have amassed about her but haven't yet cited; however, the reviewer is saying that the material you cite as references isn't enough. -- Hoary (talk) 08:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, GeorgeBergerson, and welcome to the Teahouse. It looks to me as if the only one of your sources which might contribute to establishing that Yates meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability is no 3, Border Mail: it's behind a paywall, so I can't be sure, but it looks likely to have in-depth information about her, and be independent of her. None of the rest appear to meet the triple criteria of reliability, independence, and significant coverage. You need several more sources that do. ColinFine (talk) 11:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Article wizard

Hello,

I recently created a new account after losing my old one's password (I had no recovery e-mail set) years ago. A lot has changed... well, for starters, how do I turn off the Article wizard? With my previous account, I was at some 70-80.000 edits at the end, so the Article wizard popping up at every click on a redlink is a real pain... especially when you just wanna do a redirect.
Does it go away on its own after a certain number of edits? I cannnot find any way to toggle it in the preferences. I would find it most convenient if - like in the old days - opening a redlink would give the options of searching for the redlinked term, or creating a new article. That was really helpful for housekeeping work - to check if there was an article already using a spelling variant, or if other articles had the same redlink, or if they did not have the term in question wikilinked yet, etc.. Dysmorodrepanis2 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 02:41, 4 June 2024‎ (UTC)

WP:FEET and HP:ES

Hi there,

I have two questions.

1) While editing I find myself wondering if I should be submitting my revisions frequently or in larger submissions. I read WP:FEET and want to make sure I understand. Is it "proper" to edit an entire section, or perhaps even article, for something like grammar and sentence structure in one revision, or should it be broken up more? I do understand that changes should be grouped logically.

2) When writing edit summaries, I wonder if there is a preferred style for them such as when using git. For example, should I be writing in the imperative mood? ("Edit lede for grammar" vs "Edited the lede for grammar") Should I be ending it with a period? Should I capitalize it? Am I massively overthinking this? I have read Help:Edit summary and it touches on style but does not tell me a literal format.

Thank you for your time. Infectedfreckle (talk) 03:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

It's great that you're so conscientious. Good questions.

1) In my opinion, if you're editing an article for grammar and other minor changes, it's okay to make changes that span an entire article in one edit. The more content-oriented or potentially controversial your changes are, the more you should break them up into smaller edits, to allow for potential discussion. Trust your instincts on how "controversial" a particular set of changes might be, and be open to constructive feedback from other editors in real time.

2) You're overthinking it, but that's okay. Editing Wikipedia is a big responsibility, given our reach and influence, so it's better to over-think than to under-think.

I find that every editor writes edit summaries a bit different, almost like an accent. Just use the edit summary to get your point across in a way that feels natural to you, and you'll be doing great.

Cheers. Pecopteris (talk) 04:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much, that’s a huge relief. Infectedfreckle (talk) 11:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Infectedfreckle, with regards to the first, something to keep in mind is that if someone decides they don't like part of your edit, they are likely to simply revert the whole thing rather than looking to see what you did that should be kept. So if you've been making even minor changes to the whole article at once, and someone thinks a single word's spelling (for example) is incorrect, your entire edit may well disappear. I lean towards doing even a copyedit for spelling/grammar/etc in sections, so that less is lost if a revert happens. This also means that in the unlikely event of an edit conflict, you will again have less work to redo if your edits clash! But this is only my view, and if you find taking on an article in one go works better for you then have at it - and happy editing! StartGrammarTime (talk) 09:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

That's also a reasonable approach, thank you for sharing! My comprehension has increased. Infectedfreckle (talk) 01:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

What to do

Just realized my article (Okba ibn Nafaa Brigade) is just a duplicate of (Uqba ibn Nafi Brigade). so uhh what do I do 🍫 TheBrowniess (talk) (contribs) 🍫 03:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

So both of them are exactly the same brigade? The best option is to merge both articles. Thank you. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 08:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

For the how-to merge details, you can look up WP:PROMERGE. Ckfasdf (talk) 11:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Alternatively, if you remain the main contributor to the article you created, you can request its speedy deletion. IMO, that article may qualify for either WP:A10 or WP:G7. Ckfasdf (talk) 11:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Another thing you can do is redirect one title to the other. That way people end up in the same place by typing either title in the search box. You do this by replacing the entire content of Okba ibn Nafaa Brigade with this line:

#REDIRECT [[Uqba ibn Nafi Brigade]]

Then any attempt to go to Okba ibn Nafaa Brigade will land on Uqba ibn Nafi Brigade instead. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you all! I'll try to merge the articles later. 🍫 TheBrowniess (talk) (contribs) 🍫 01:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

big problem !!

"As an anti-abuse measure, you are limited from performing this action too many times in a short space of time, and you have exceeded this limit. Please try again in a few minutes. If you are attempting to run a bot or semi-automated script, please read and understand our bot policy, then request approval. Users who run unauthorized bot scripts may lose their editing privileges." why is it coming again and again Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 04:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Tanishkshatriyaaiims. Where are you seeing that message? It is not on your talk page. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

This is the message you get when you run into rate limits. Most users generally do not run into this issue, and Tanishkshatriyaaiims, I don't see anything in your contributions that would explain why you saw this. The limit for new users is 8 edits per minute, and you were nowhere near that. It might just have been a brief technical glitch. Tanishkshatriyaaiims, please let us know if it happens again. As soon as your account is 4 days old and you've had more than 10 edits, you'll be autoconfirmed and the chances of running into this are much lower. --rchard2scout (talk) 11:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

actually it is happening every time when i do any edit on an article with brief explanation Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 11:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:ASEAN Express

How to make it better to publish? Mmjay70 (talk) 05:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Mmjay70. The notice at the top of that draft is pretty clear, so there is not much point in my repeating it here. Which part of it do you not understand? Click on those blue links for more information on specific requirements. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mmjay70.

Writing an article starts by finding those independent sources, and then continues by writing a summary of what those independent sources say. Since you have cited no sources, where does your information come from?

Note that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 11:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

How does one propose a site-wide announcement?

Hello,

On my "watchlist", there are a few announcements at the top of the page, such as:

• "A request for adminship is open for discussion."
• "Want to improve Wikipedia's reliability? Compete in WikiProject Reliability's unsourced statements drive starting on 1 June and replace tags with references!"
• "The RFA2024 phase II review of the ongoing trial of the discussion-only period is now open."

I think that there should also be an announcement that makes Wikipedians aware of the ongoing Wikimedia Foundation election process, which affects all WMF projects, including this one.

What is the proper venue for formally making this proposal? Pecopteris (talk) 06:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Pecopteris You can make a request at MediaWiki talk:Watchlist-messages. Jolly1253 (talk) 08:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Seemingly confused IP editor, how to deal with it?

I stumbled across Karvetinagar being edited, one little change at a time. Specifically the template, resulting in it being broken a few times, the editor adding nonsensical things to the template (just the name of the town for the skyline, describing another city as the largest city in the town and so forth).

In the grand scheme of things, I'm still quite new and I'm unsure how to handle a situation like this. It seems like good faith editing, since the IP is from the area, but it seems more like WP:COMPETENCE. What abilities do I have to interfere? Can I give a warning? If not, how do I get someone who can to get involved?

Thanks for your time, Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk me) 08:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Speederzzz Welcome to the Teahouse. In essence, yes, you're absolutely entitled to give a user a warning if their editing is causing problems. You don't have to wait for an admin to spot trouble. If you're experienced enough to notice a problem, we regard you as experienced enough to help resolve it. A gentle but firmly-worded message on their talk page asking them to take more care is often better than a harsh, templated message or warning. You might want to add any pages or templates to your Watchlist and revert poor edits if they occur. Just leave a helpful WP:EDITSUMMARY to explain the rationale for any revert you're making.

Many editors make the task of leaving messages for other editors much easier by implementing a tool called WP:TWINKLE, which automates the process. You can now activate this additional menu tool by selecting it in 'Preferences-Gadgets' See here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

FOIA

Hello. Is there anybody to make a Freedom of Information Act request? I've traced Dr Margaret J. Corasick to someone in the Air Force and surprise! there aren't any sources on the internet. She's famous for a 1975 algorithm, so surely there must be some things that can be declassified. Thank you, Comte0 (talk) 09:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Comte0 Welcome to the Wikipedia Teahouse. I'm afraid we can only help here with issues around the mechanisms and policies of editing Wikipedia. Making FOI requests is well outside our remit. You are, of course, welcome to pursue your own researches; just ensure you don't reveal any personal information on this site, please. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Since I'm French, it's also outside of mine. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 10:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

This is outside Wikipedia, but today I learned that FoIA request can be made by anyone - including foreign nationals. Just take a look at their FAQ. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 10:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

If you're not able yourself, perhaps there might be someone over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request who might be able to help you. Hope this helps! --rchard2scout (talk) 11:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Comte0 again, to make sure they see the last two comments. Pecopteris (talk) 06:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the suggestions, but I'll pass. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 21:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Uploading images

Can someone direct me to relevant pages or advise me on the below things.

1. Can we get social media images?
2. Do we have to always take consent, even if the image is in a public webpage - The image might be from a person or place of great value. They will not reply to us for a simple consent email. What are the options here.

Shehani98 (talk) 10:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Shehani98. If the image is not explicitly published with a free (as in "free speech") license (e.g. one of Creative Commons licenses) then the image needs to conform to the Non-free content criteria policy, which limits how images without a free license can be used.

If you're not sure what the copyright status of the image is, you can link to it and ask at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. —⁠andrybak (talk) 11:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Guys help me I didn’t do wrong

So I was going in my account page and this happen Somebody deleted my user page!! I’m so angry who did it It was Ruy who did it Now Wikipedia please reply me or fix this happen I dint do wrong! Edit: I fixed my user page but I added new details Claudexspeed (talk) 13:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Your user page was deleted by Explicit, due to you using Wikipedia as a web host. Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^{Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor!} 13:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Explicit deleted it after Ruy had nominated it for deletion. The deletion log at User:Claudexspeed links to the reason: "U5: Misuse of Wikipedia as a web host. Wikipedia is not a social network and doesn't allow the same on userpages as many other websites. We do accept a lot of userboxes if you want to express yourself with those. If you want a copy of the deleted content (not to just repost it) then you can enable email at Special:Preferences and ask me. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

You may also want to familiarize yourself with the purpose of and how to use your user page at WP:USER.   — TARDIS builder^✉     ★       18:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

 Note: OP has been blocked. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Video as a source

Hello there! I was just gathering sources for some articles I want to write but due to lack of enough written sources I found some video interviews on YouTube and I wonder if I could use them as sources. To be a bit more specific, they are interviews by radio stations and magazines. Thanks in advance! feni (tellmehi) 13:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @FENFEN: per WP:PUBLISHED, video is an acceptable source format.

Per WP:RSPYT, content from a reputable source's own YouTube channel can be used, even if most content on that platform is not considered reliable.

Interviews are a bit of a tricky area, as many media outlets don't apply the usual fact-checking measures and editorial rigour to interviews, effectively leaving the interviewee to say pretty much whatever they like. And as an interview is a primary source, it couldn't be used to establish notability, in case that's what you're trying to do. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Create A New Item?

I noticed that there is no entry for TeraGogo on Wikipedia. TeraGogo is a mobile browser launched by Flextech Inc. in March 2024, with built-in search and an AI bot. It includes features like Multi Engine Search and Smooth Playback. Available on both Google Play and Apple Store.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tera.verse&hl=en https://apps.apple.com/es/app/teragogo/id6499314679?l=en-GB EmilyShawn917 (talk) 14:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@EmilyShawn917 It may simply be too soon to have a Wikipedia page on TeraGogo, when I tried to find sources related to it I couldn't find any at all. Seeing as it was only launched in March this year, you're likely going to have to wait for a fair amount of time to see any meaningful sources on it in order to establish that it is notable. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

permission to use photo

Hi. If the photographer of a photo has died, do I need to get permission from his next of kin to use the photo in Wikipedia, or is the photo now in the public domain? DaringDonna (talk) 14:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Presumably you’d have to get permission from his estate or something similar. Blueskiesdry (talk) 14:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Daring Donna, and welcome to the Teahouse. No, a photo does not enter the public domain merely because the photographer has died (any more than a book does when the author has died). It will probably pass with the estate, though you may find it hard to find somebody who will acknowledge that they own it and be willing to license it. Note that "permission" is not enough - see donating copyright materials. ColinFine (talk) 15:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine I am in touch with the photographer's widow. Would permission from her be enough? I've already spoken to her and she is willing, but can we assume that the copyright is hers? DaringDonna (talk) 19:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello again, DaringDonna. I can't assume anything, because I know nothing of the circumstances, but if she is his heir, then probably yes. As I said, though, "permission" is not enough. She will need to explicitly license the image under a suitable licence, either by uploading it to Commons herself or by sending an email as detailed in the link I gave above. Wikimedia cannot accept your word that she has licensed it, I'm afraid. ColinFine (talk) 14:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Re-evaluating a old question

I have been editing several articles regarding the certain premierships of British prime ministers and I am very pleased about the progress we have made in this occasion to re-configure these articles and add more details on these topics. However, as a part of a previous question, how can I join a Wikiproject that is in the interest of addressing issues of this sort? Also, my main question, can we create a separate article each for every prime minister regarding their respective tenures? For example such as the “Premierships of Stanley Baldwin” or “Premiership of Charles Grey” etc? It would be more helpful and useful for any reader to read the key article’s underlying information separately in a wholly new article. So does anyone have any suggestions or advice concerning this discussion? Davecorbray (talk) 14:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Davecorbray. Subtopics like "Premiership of Charles Grey" are usually made when the main article is becoming too long. You have expanded Charles Grey, 2nd Earl Grey but it's still not long by Wikipedia standards and it seems premature to split out a premiership article. See Wikipedia:Splitting for general information about the process. Stanley Baldwin is closer to split-worthy but still shorter than the main article of all prime ministers who have a separate premiership article. You can join a WikiProject by just adding your name to the list of members, e.g. Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom/roster. You don't have to be a member to start or join discussions in a WikiProject. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. But can you set some required measurements that are applied according to Wikipedia standards on subtopics. How long does an article have to be? Like in terms of words, detail or subject matter? Can you give a set of examples? Davecorbray (talk) 23:12, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Davecorbray: See Wikipedia:Splitting#Size split. https://prosesize.toolforge.org says Stanley Baldwin has 10975 words so it could be split but all prime ministers since then have longer biographies. Lists and biographies tend to be longer before splitting than other articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Is British or American English used on English Wikipedia?

Just checking. YellowPuffle (talk) 15:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@YellowPuffle Both, as well as many others. See WP:ENGVAR. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

i just made a theory of real life Godzilla creatures!!

please reply me i want to tell it 😔 Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 16:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

The Teahouse is for asking for help with editing, not an off-topic forum. You may share your theory on some other, more suitable place. Blueskiesdry (talk) 16:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

actually i have no other social media apps 😢 Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 16:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

This is still not the place to post it. There are probably multiple Godzilla or mythical creature forums out there where you can quickly make an account with no cost. If your parents won’t let you you can ask them to post it for you. Blueskiesdry (talk) 17:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

My friend, I do think that you need to be less WP:BITE to the newcomers. The statement about their parents are quite condescending. While it is true that Wikipedia is not for Godzilla discussions, we didn’t need to be mean to other editors.

Have a blessed day, friend. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 07:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry. I wasn’t intending to be condescending. Blueskiesdry (talk) 13:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Suggest that you familiarize yourself with what Wikipedia is not.   — TARDIS builder^✉     ★       18:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

 Note: OP has been blocked. David notMD (talk) 09:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Is it possible to get banned from every edition of Wikipedia?

I'm not actually gonna find out, but is it? 47.153.138.166 (talk) 16:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Sure is; see WP:GLOBALBAN. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

i am 15 years old and it took me 3 years to make a theory about existence of godzilla like creature actually i have no social media app so i want to share the theory here please don't say no to me i am still a child 😢😔

please one time give me a chance you are like my big brother and sisters Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 16:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tanishkshatriyaaiims I am really sorry but this is not what Wikipedia is for. We are a project to build a free encyclopaedia of notable topics, not a forum to talk about your own ideas. Please do not post content like this again. Qcne (talk) 17:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

ok 😭😔 Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 17:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tanishkshatriyaaiims You may want to take a look at Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 18:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

 Note: OP has been blocked. David notMD (talk) 09:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

i am actually happy after seeing that you people are really disciplined

i am 15 year old boy can you guide me across Wikipedia or maybe i can be your future friend 🙂 Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 17:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Every article edit you have made have been reverted, and your request to write about Godzilla-like creatures has no place at Wikipedia. Please rethink your actions and purpose. You are at risk for your account being indefinitely blocked for not being here to contribute to the encyclopedia. And Wikipedia is not in the friends business. David notMD (talk) 20:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

ok i am deleting Wikipedia because in real life i have no friends and i was only trying to make educated friends at Wikipedia Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 02:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

 Note: OP has been blocked for WP:NOTHERE. David notMD (talk) 09:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

how many edits will it need for making own article

you can also tell me in a short sentence 🙂 Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 17:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tanishkshatriyaaiims: Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! You can already submit a draft to Articles For Creation, which means that an AfC reviewer will take a look at your draft, and if they determine it to be suitable for Wikipedia, they'll accept it and it will become an official article. To be able to bypass the AfC process, you will have to become confirmed— that is, have made 10 edits (which I see you've done) and have been on Wikipedia for four days (which you are yet to do). Creating an article on Wikipedia is one of the hardest things for someone to do, and I generally recommend trying to do some other things to gain experience before you do that. If you still want to create an article, I would read Wikipedia:Your first article. Cheers! ‍Relativity ⚡️ 17:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Keeping that in mind, please realize that Wikipedia is not social media, and it would not be a good idea to create an article about something that should go on social media instead, such as the existence of a godzilla like creature. However, we'd be happy if you decide to create an article that follows Your first article. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 17:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Maybe it would be a good idea to go to the Wikipedia article already written about Godzilla, and see if you can help improve it? Look for any spelling mistakes, or other small problems, and start with those. Maybe there is a message that says "needs citation" and then you can do research to find a reliable source to support the information that is in the article but does not yet have a source for it. There are many ways to help build Wikipedia instead of writing a new article. When you understand what Wikipedia is all about, then maybe you can write your first article. Happy editing!DaringDonna (talk) 19:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

New editors are advised to gain experience improving existing articles before attempting to create and then submit a draft of an article. David notMD (talk) 20:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

ok🙂👍 Tanishkshatriyaaiims (talk) 02:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

 Note: OP has been blocked for WP:NOTHERE. David notMD (talk) 09:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Biographical article written like a CV

Hello all. I came across this article Frederica Williams that looks biased and violating wikipedia biography standards. Im very new to the site and don't know how to start editing something like this. From what I can tell there are very few real references, the formatting is disorganized and sections might need to be fully rewritten. Any suggestions on who I could flag this to or how I can get started? thank you! Epsilon02 (talk) 19:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello Epsilon02 and welcome to Wikipedia. The BLP noticeboard would probably be a good place for this. Blueskiesdry (talk) 19:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I've made some minor improvements. There's still plenty of work to be done, mainly on removing promotional language. But it's not irredeemably bad. Maproom (talk) 19:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Adding anonymous edits to profile

Halfway through editing it logged me out of my account and published the edit via my ip address. I do not want my ip address to be public is there any way that I can add that contribution to my account? Longhorncowfish (talk) 21:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Longhorncowfish, welcome to the Teahouse. There is no way to "claim" an IP edit; however, if you want the IP address hidden for privacy reasons, you can contact Oversight by one of the methods listed at the top of that page. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 21:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

It is not letting me email oversight, even though my emailing settings are activated (I tried to turn them off and it didn’t let me, then I tried to remove my email and it didn’t let me do this either) Longhorncowfish (talk) 23:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

You can just email oversight directly, doesn't have to be through Wikipedia, that is one of the listed methods (at WP:RFO too). – 2804:F1...49:1F4D (talk) 23:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

What is the oversight email address? Longhorncowfish (talk) 23:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

It's mentioned in those 2 pages. – 2804:F1...49:1F4D (talk) 23:12, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Longhorncowfish (talk) 23:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Saving user preferences

I am unable to save my user preferences, even after clicking save it resets when I go back to the page. How do I fix this? Longhorncowfish (talk) 21:12, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

This could possibly be a result of browser issues, because as far as I'm aware, the user preferences menu works fine. Wrosh (talk) 23:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I have tried on both laptop and mobile and it still doesn’t work, however this question was about emailing preferences and I have now found out I can just remove the email address Longhorncowfish (talk) 23:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Removing inappropriate category from article

How would one go about removing a category from a semi-protected article? It seems as they must have been approved but they seems inappropriate and not at all correct.

I mean even if I proposed to change them I might not be given permission. Sfar13 (talk) 22:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

What is the page, and what is the category? I'm sure if you proposed a change in the article's talk page, they'll consider it. Wrosh (talk) 22:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

John Wayne Gacy and the category is LGBT people of Illinois. It just feels as if having such a person in the category can only be detrimental. I mean do you call a sec offender and serial killer who only targeted male teens a LGBTQ person? Sfar13 (talk) 23:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Being LGBT does not preclude one from being a terrible person. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

No of course not but it seems a shallow interpretation to put on someone whose sexual inclinations seems to have been many other things.

Also I dont see other serial killers on the wiki being categorized as "heterosexual people" Sfar13 (talk) 07:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

There is no Category:Heterosexual people. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Seems to fit per WP:CATV. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Cite this Page information with in-text (Wikipedia 2024) or (Lundberg 2024)

Wikimedia Commons contributors, 'File:1997 275-15 young Wodaabe women.jpg', Wikimedia Commons, 15 April 2023, 20:58 UTC, <https://commons.wikimedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=File:1997_275-15_young_Wodaabe_women.jpg&oldid=750693914> [accessed 4 June 2024]

The link works fine. What do I put for in-text citation? My paragraph says blah, blah, blah. (Wikipedia 2024).

Dan Lundberg is the AUTHOR, but the CITE THIS PAGE doesn't show his name.

2600:1702:1000:93F0:ED58:F500:75D:FEF1 (talk) 22:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

You would use Lundberg, since there is a clear photographer/author stated. The CITE THIS PAGE tool is not perfect, it always defaults to just "Wikipedia contributors". Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

If you are copying content from Wikipedia, by our license, you need to attribute the authors by linking to the page it was copied from, or citing the author in your publication, like you did here. Thanks! Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

The Bee Movie's script is copyvio, right?

I'm 99% sure it is, but I wanted confirmation first before requesting revdel.
Affected revisions at WP:EFFPR: first revision 1227301323, last revision 1227302129(removed in the next edit). – 2804:F1...49:1F4D (talk) 22:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes it is. It is a significant portion of a non-free copyrighted work. Thanks for exercising care! Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Right, requested. Thank you (and Meters). – 2804:F1...49:1F4D (talk) 23:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Emailing oversight

All my email settings are on (default)(it also refuses to let me turn them off), yet when I try to email oversight I receive a message telling me I ‘can’t send emails to other users on this wiki’ Longhorncowfish (talk) 23:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Longhorncowfish: Did you confirm your email address? If not, then you can't use the email feature, according to Wikipedia:Emailing_users. There may also be some restrictions on the feature for very new accounts. RudolfRed (talk) 03:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

According to WP:ENABLEEMAIL,individual editors can prevent new (not-yet-autoconfirmed) users from contacting them but such new users can try to contact anyone. Mike Turnbull (talk) 08:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Question about citation needed..

Hey Teahouse, is there a place on this website that shows you how many articles have a 'citation needed' and whether or not to improve them? GoodHue291 (talk) 23:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Citation_needed#How_to_help_reduce_the_backlog has a convenient button to find uncited statements. Articles with the citation needed tag are placed into this category: Category:All articles with unsourced statements, which has around 50000 articles. Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. GoodHue291 (talk) 23:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I accidentally mis-formated one of the links so that it is not visible; you should be able to see it now. Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Yea I see it now, I was unable to goto it at first but then it showed up, much appreciated for the help here. GoodHue291 (talk) 23:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I believe there may be about one order of magnitude more articles in that category than indicated above: Template:Clc returns Category:All articles with unsourced statements (534,590). Folly Mox (talk) 00:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@GoodHue291 you might be interested in participating in WikiProject Reliability's backlog drive, which aims to fix all citation needed tags. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

I'll take a peak at it. GoodHue291 (talk) 19:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Formatting placement of userboxes on my user page

Would someone kindly take a look at my user page and let me know how to format it so that I have paragraphs of text on the left and a column of userboxes on the right? Thanks in advance. Ajk1962f (talk) 01:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Ajk1962f I think {{userbox top}} and {{userbox bottom}} is what you're looking for. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm a little fried right now, and I'll have to come back when more of my brain cells are working. Ajk1962f (talk) 02:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

How do you create an assessment chart for a WikiProject?

I edited this WikiProject template to add quality and importance assessments. I'd really like to add an assessment chart to the project's home page, like what can be found here, here, and at many other WikiProjects.

I don't know how to do it. Could someone point me in the right direction, please? Pecopteris (talk) 05:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Pecopteris welcome to Teahouse! What WikiProject is this for? To add the WikiProject, you can follow the instructions in Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Using the bot ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 06:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Shushugah, this is for WikiProject Countering systemic bias. Pecopteris (talk) 07:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Need assistance on metawiki landing page

Hi, created a meta page for an upcoming event dubbed WikiForHumanRights2024Ghana W4SAFRICA but, the home page is still red-linked after embedding the template, we want to keep it blue, we will be grateful if anyone here could help fix the challenge for us,Thanks.Jwale2 (talk) 07:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jwale2 looks like you forgot to add the namespace (should be [[Event:WikiForHumanRights2024Ghana W4SAFRICA]] instead of [[WikiForHumanRights2024Ghana W4SAFRICA]]). Fixed it for you. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 07:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@CanonNi, I see you've fixed the situation but there is still a challenge when you switch to other pages, we don't get the home page as a blue link.Thanks. Jwale2 (talk) 08:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jwale2 I think it is the same issue. You are using a template for portal navigation but need to place the "Event:" part in front of the |portalname parameter. I have not done so as I'm not confident how to edit that template.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 08:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jwale2: The pages duplicate the template call and have to be kept in sync by editing each page. That's poor design. It's better to make a common template and transclude it on each page. See for example meta:Template:Africa Youth Month 2023. It only requires updating in one place and each page for the event can just say {{Africa Youth Month 2023}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Does the animal (re)discovery qualify to DYK?

Hi, I have found an interesting fact about spotting a rare animal in the area where it hasn't been seen for 24 years, and I added it to an article. I hope it deserves to be displayed in WP:DYK, but I suppose it doesn't satisfy the basic requirements (WP:DYKRULES). Please someone more knowledgeable see the info (Special:Diff/1227358571) and make appropriate proposal if it qualifies to the MainPage. --CiaPan (talk) 07:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@CiaPan DYK applies to new articles only. That article has been around since 2005. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

A DYK article has to be "new"- which doesn't actually mean the article itself has to be new. It just has to be "created, expanded fivefold, or promoted to good article status in the seven days preceding a nomination". (I'm assuming created from redirect also counts, but I've never actually asked). So, CiaPan, if you want greatly expand the article or bring it to good article status, then you could absolutely use that fact for a DYK. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 08:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit of Barefoot Gen

I was trying to add some info on the Barefoot Gen movie article about a scene in the movie where the main character's mother finds a dead woman whose baby is still suckling on her breast. Is there any way I can add that without coming across as creepy or perverted?

Also my picture of the scene might be too inappropriate.

Any suggestions? Milktaster1 (talk) 08:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Milktaster1, a suggestion based on inferences from this edit of yours: Waste your time on some other website (perhaps your own), not Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 09:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Given that your attempt to add an image from the film failed (at Barefoot Gen (1983 film) and here), stop. David notMD (talk) 09:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

UPDATE: Clearly WP:NOTHERE, and User now indefinitely blocked for vandalism. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Help regarding editing an un-wiki-like page

How would one go about fixing an article such as David Ball (sport shooter).Clearly the page doesnt provide insight about the person and only highlights information about their current work. MouseDahBidoof (talk) 10:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse! Please read Wikipedia's policies on editing biographies of living persons for a thorough primer, if you wish to tackle it yourself.   — TARDIS builder^✉     ★       12:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

The only ref appears (?) to state that Ball won a regional championship in 2008. Thus, no other content is referenced. David notMD (talk) 19:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Rather than trying to fix it - given strong likelihood that he does not meet Wikipedia's current standards for notability - I recommend nominating it for deletion. David notMD (talk) 20:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Need help with a user constantly making intentionally misleading edits and citations

A specific user, who has been previously nominated for speedy deletion, as is evident from their user talk page, has been making intentionally misleading edits to the page List of Pakistanis by net worth. The page is a list of Pakistani people with the highest net worths, recorded in USD. The page currently consists of 13 entries. The user has been constantly trying to add a new entry at the second position, titled 'Ehsan Ul Haq Bajwa'. The two sources they have always cited state the subject's net worth to be around Rs 5 billion, which is around $18 million USD. It's not notable enough to warrant any entry on that specific page, especially not at second position. The lowest net worth on the page is £220 million USD. I have deleted their edits 2-3 times but they seem to revert it in a matter of a few days. Furthermore, they have manipulated the titles of the articles they've cited as evidence for their edits. For example, they cited an article as having the title "ECP releases details of MNAs' assets: PML-N's Ehsan Bajwa richest MNA with over USD 5 billion". The actual article in question is titled "ECP releases details of MNAs’ assets: PML-N’s Ehsan Bajwa richest MNA with over Rs5 billion". Their second source has a totally different cited title than the article's actual title. Their most recent edit was at 20:39 on 31 May 2024. Before recently deleting their edit, I first made an edit to reflect the actual titles of the articles they had cited and then made a separate edit to delete the whole entry.

I have left a previous warning on their talk page, which they seem to have deleted. There was also an entry on the Wikipedia article's talk page regarding the user's edits, which they had deleted. I have restored their deletion of the thread that discusses their misleading edits. ConstantWritersBlock (talk) 11:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@ConstantWritersBlock Just to comment that a user (even a bad faith one) is entitled to remove most notices from their talk page, such as the one you referred to. Removal should be taken to mean they have read and understood the message. I know it may not seem helpful, as you sometimes have to wade back through an editor's userpage history to see if there are any past warnings to add to, but that's unfortunately how things are. Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 13:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

The article is now protected until the dispute is resolved. Although what Nick said above is true, at a certain point deleting talk page warnings and not heeding them falls under WP:CANTHEARYOU. I hope the user responds on the talk page and it is resolved. ~Adam ^{(talk · contribs)} 17:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Good Topic reassessment.

I believe a good topic is no longer of an acceptable level (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_topics/Early_history_of_video_games) For the article Hutspiel ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutspiel) which I believe is part of the topic is a stub. Where can I ask for it to be reviewed ? DanganMachin (talk) 12:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@DanganMachin Welcome to the Teahouse. I don't think you've linked to the correct page. Surely you meant Early history of video games? That article is currently listed as a GOOD ARTICLE, but not the topic listing page you linked us to (namely, Wikipedia:Featured topics/Early history of video games)

Within that article, at the very bottom, I see there is a navigation template called Early history of video games (1947-1971) which does indeed contain a link to Hutspiel. And, yes, that target article is a stub (i.e. extremely short). The quality assessment of any linked article in a template (nor in the body text of an article, for that matter) has no bearing whatsoever on the quality assessment of the article itself.

Now, if you have an issue with the 'GA' quality assessment of Early history of video games, the place to learn about how to request a review would be HERE. I hope this addresses the question I think you were asking about! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

But thinking about your question and my reply a bit further: ...if you believe the Featured Topic or Good Topic is itself no longer valid, then there is advice and guidance at Wikipedia:Featured and good topic removal candidates. So, my apologies if I misunderstood your question and answered it incorrectly above. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, it says Hutspiel right there. 48JCL TALK 00:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Section numbering issue

Time for this Teahouse Host to ask a question of their own!

OK, so, ages ago I opted in to see consecutive bullet numbering against each separate topic or section (both in articles, talk pages and in question pages like this one). I can't now remember or see how I activated it, as it's neither visible in my commons.js file, nor seemingly selectable in Preferences>Gadgets or Beta features. Over the years it's been a really useful feature to have on very long pages, and this new question would normally appear to me to be numbered around 82 on this Teahouse page.

But today, I've suddenly noticed double numbering here and elsewhere such as at WP:ANI and on all user talk pages, but, weirdly, NOT in any Mainspace articles. There, it's working perfectly normally.

So, any ideas what script or method I used to enable this function? And any ideas why the first topic on this page appears to me as numbered 1 and 2; the second topic 3 and 4 etc, and this one currently appears to me as bullet numbers 165 and 166? Nick Moyes (talk) 14:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Nick Moyes. The feature is "Auto-number headings" near the bottom of Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. We copy the code from mw:Snippets/Auto-number headings. Your issue is reported at mw:Talk:Snippets/Auto-number headings. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Thank you very much. I didn't look down in the 'testing and development' section. Should have, of course. Good to know the issue has already been reported. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I didn't know where it was but quickly found it with a Ctrl+f browser search (in Windows browsers) of number on the appearance and gadget tabs. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Help rewriting draft deleted for being an advertisement

A draft I was working on about a restaurant named Tequila 61, which I have now put in a draft sandbox here, was deleted for being an advertisement. It was my first time creating a draft, and I wonder how I should rewrite it so that it doesn't get deleted again, or if I should scrap it. ChronicleKeeper (talk) 16:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Here is a unshortened link to the unsubmitted draft User:ChronicleKeeper/sandbox/Tequila 61 ChronicleKeeper (talk) 16:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@ChronicleKeeper: Welcome to the Teahouse. I would see if there are any reliable sources, are secondary to the subject, and give the subject significant coverage that are out there to establish wikinotability. I am not an AfC reviewer, but two of the references used link to the restaurant's site (which can give it the impression of being promotional), one is to a YouTube video (which generally should be used with caution), and the last is just a listing in Anchorage's site; they do not serve to establish any wikinotability the restaurant may have. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate your help! Those were really the only sources I could find on the restaurant. I'll learn from this and try to find an article subject with more secondary sources. ChronicleKeeper (talk) 17:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

The problem appears to be that you didn't follow the WP:Golden Rule. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! It does seem like it does not align with that rule. I'll scrap it and work on an article that has more notability. ChronicleKeeper (talk) 17:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorting articles in a category

There are many alternate methods to sorting articles in category. One example is here: Category:Television stations in Chicago. The articles are arranged by the second letter of the call sign, and by normal methods for other networks. This is very confusing. The average user won't understand, editors won't know the precedent, and no one will search for WFOO under F. Is there some legacy rule that's being followed here? I would be happy to make them strictly alphabetical, but I did that once already and they've been reverted. Fuddle (talk) 19:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Fuddle. Category sortkeys often omit something which is implied by the category and in common for most or all members of the category. It's usually whole words but here it's an initial letter. Broadcast call signs#United States says: "In the United States, the first letter generally is K for stations west of the Mississippi River (including Alaska, America Samoa, Guam, Hawaii, and Northern Mariana Islands) and W for those east of the Mississippi River". In many subcategories of Category:Television stations in the United States by city, every article starts with W for this reason. I don't edit in the area but I can understand why they often choose to omit the inital K or W from call sign sorting. Otherwise many entire categories would lump everything together under the same letter heading. Most readers of the category page will quickly spot the pattern. I don't know whether it's written down or discussed somewhere. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Academic notability

Hi! I usually write articles on theoretical physics topics, but I also want to write some articles on theoretical physicists. For this reason can I get some help gauging if the following people are notable according to Wikipedia:Notability (academics) criterion 1; I think they are but I would like some additional input. Each have at least one paper with over 1000 citations that has a significant impact on the field (in theoretical physics 1k is a useful benchmark for when a paper becomes cruically important to the field). They are all professors at the University of Oxford.

• Andrei Olegovich Starinets: He has a MASSIVE impact on AdS/CFT hydrodynamics with his top cited papers have 2.9k, 1.7k, 1.6k, 1.2k citations each, and I'm 99.9% sure he is notable and this is more a formality check. It's insane he doesnt already have a page.
• Subir Sarkar: Emiratus professor at Oxford with a 1.3k citations paper. His impact is however more due to his fundamental contributions to various collaborations such as IceCube and the Particle Theory Group. This is exemplified by the fact that his retirement had the department hold a 2-day conference called Subirfest https://subirfest.web.ox.ac.uk/home.
• John March-Russell: Discovered the axiverse (1.8k citations) (this is a very big thing due to the increadible popularity of axions to string theory), and has another important paper on FIMP thermal freeze with 1.1k citations. He is a pretty well known figure in
• Joseph P. Conlon: He discovered the Large Volume Scenario with 1k citations (this is the second most important mechanism for stabilising moduli in string theory, with the first most famous one being KKLT. These mechanisms are genuinely vital in constructing realistic string theory models and so are super important and comes up in standard string theory textbooks for example) and is a leading string phenomenologists.

I'm not necessarily aiming to create articles for all of them, cause, well, effort. But understanding if they are all indeed notable would help me in the future. Any thoughts? Thanks!!! OpenScience709 (talk) 19:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Good question. Are there any secondary sources (scholarly works by other academics, books, newspaper articles, magazine articles, and so on) that mention these 4 people? That's a good place to start for assessing notability. Pecopteris (talk) 19:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia:Notability (academics), meeting criteria #1 alone may be sufficient, but the cases would be stronger if any of criteria #2-8 are also met. David notMD (talk) 20:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Oddly, University of Oxford connects to notable alumni, but not to notable faculty, hence no examples. David notMD (talk) 20:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean? Do other university pages have "notable faculty" pages?

As for the previous comment, I agree. Although criteria 4, 6, 7, 8 generally apply to academics notable for non-academic reasons. Meanwhile 2,3,5 are giveaways to notability, but many notable academics do not fall into that category. As far as I can tell indeed none of the four I mentioned do fall into this category. They seem to be notable due to criterion 1. OpenScience709 (talk) 20:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, good idea. I would say that Subir clearly falls into this category due to the aforementioned Subirfest where notable other researchers came to talk about him and his research (there are other things too).

As for the others, I suppose it depends what you mean by mentioning "them". They are usually refered to indirectly via the thing that they discovered, but that is the practice in physics. For example, Conlon's discovery of LVS is discussed in standard string theory textbooks such as "string theory and M-theory" by Becker, Becker, Schwartz, or "String Theory and Particle Physics" by Ibanez and Uranga (among other examples). But it is not refered to via talking about Conlon. Merely the results. But this is more a result of textbooks being about the theory, not the history. So the question is more are the researchers notable due to having notable contributions? I think criterion 1 is saying yes?

A problem with magazines and newspapers is that they sometimes reflect eloquence over academic impact. For example, Conlon gets quoted reasonably often in the Guardian and such. Also there is a recent New Scientist article about him it would seem. However, this i would say is more a measure of eloquence. Starinets is not as eloquent (no offence if you ever read this lol), so isnt quoted as much as far as i can tell. But he is an amazing researcher whose impact on the field is hard to deny. OpenScience709 (talk) 20:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

See List of Massachusetts Institute of Technology faculty for faculty who are subjects of articles themselves. In contrast, List of University of Edinburgh people combines alumni and academic staff, without indicating which are/were staff. David notMD (talk) 01:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Question concerning a user that is irresponsibly using Wikipedia

Hey Teahouse,

I am concerned about this user in question because they have left another warning on my take page after I reverted their irrelevant warning and they warned me on my talk page for vandalizing my talk page, very funny and ridiculous if you ask me.

I'm starting to feel like the user is not here to edit this project but to make unhelpful edits. I'm also not sure if there's a specific guideline about putting false warnings on talk pages.

I also found out on the user's talk page (from someone else) that they've done this in the past. What's going on? GoodHue291 (talk) 19:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

User:TheChosenOneTCO now indefinitely blocked as a sockpuppet and for abusive editing. David notMD (talk) 20:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I just checked now and it was a sockpuppet, thanks for telling me. GoodHue291 (talk) 21:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@GoodHue291 There are templates for template abuse, Template:Uw-tempabuse1 and Template:Uw-tempabuse2. I think there's a tempabuse3 somewhere but it's currently redirecting to Template:Uw-disruptive3.

Generally speaking you should use them when people assign really high level warnings with no cause, if it's just a level 1 then definitely just have a quick chat with them to see what caused it. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 21:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Moving new articles to draft space

What's the proper way to deal with a new "article" that should be in draft space (like Torrey S. Harris (Author))? Assuming I have no particular authority or priveleges. _signed, Willondon (talk) 19:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Willondon See WP:Draftify for the full details. You don't need to be an admin. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Deutschendorf, Henry John Sr.

•  Courtesy link: Draft:Deutschendorf, Henry John Sr.

My draft was declined, with excellent references and citations. Can anyone tell me it is declined and what I must do to improve it? Thanks. Peppertrout (talk) 21:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Peppertrout Excellent is an overstatement, by a lot. No proper inline citations, ancestry (user generated content) and Wikipedia. This guy is clearly not notable. 48JCL TALK 21:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit: He might be notable, but the reviewer is right. very poorly formatted citations. 48JCL TALK 21:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Experts, I'd appreciate some editing. I wrote an article and cited it according to the numbered citations listed as I was taught to write peer papers during my years studying for my Science and Dentistry degrees. If Wiki has a format, please feel free to apply it. The process requires more time to understand than I care to invest. Peppertrout (talk) 22:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Teahouse civility? You're abrupt. Peppertrout (talk) 22:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Peppertrout. Wikipedia articles require reliable sources, quote: Articles should be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Websites with user-generated content, like Facebook and wikitree.com should not be used as sources.

The formatting of references in the draft is not correct. See intro to referencing for details.

In addition to the unacceptable sources, the prose of the draft lacks any formatting. Articles should be at least split into paragraphs. —⁠andrybak (talk) 21:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

See any other article about a person for how to insert references into the body of the article in such a way that the software will place a superscripted number and the references will appear under References, numbered. If you are not willing to do this, no one else will. David notMD (talk) 22:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

I created sections typically used for a person, but have no opinion on his notability. David notMD (talk) 22:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

User:Topicon

Hey guys. I have created a new account, Topicon, designed for hosting topicons that are not suitable for mainspace or “templatespace”. Was wondering if anyone could incorporate this into WP:TOPICON? Just like User:UBX and WP:USERBOXES. 48JCL TALK 21:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 48JCL. Topicon templates can be hosted without a dedicated user. Examples:

• User:Sgt. R.K. Blue/USA top icon
• User:BeLucky/Top icon templates/Barnstars/Surreal

User:UBX exists due to the big migration of userboxes, which happened around 2006-2007. See User:UBX#Full explanation for details.

Before putting topicons into userspace of User:Topicon, it would be a good idea to discuss it at Template talk:Top icon. —⁠andrybak (talk) 21:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Andrybak, the reason why I created this account was for unused topicons that deserve to exist. 48JCL TALK 22:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Editing headlines

I've corrected a name in an article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Ekdahl_du_Rietz) without any problem - except for the headline, which I can't change, despite several attempts. The name "du Rietz" is not correct; it should be "Du Rietz" (with a capital "D", as everywhere else in the article). Can someone please tell me how to do it? Or maybe someone can do it for me? Of course, this is a very minor matter - but it's nonetheless disturbing! Thanks! Hdr666 (talk) 21:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Hdr666. The very top headline of a page is its name, which for articles is called its title. If you think that the capitalization of Kim Ekdahl du Rietz is incorrect, you can start a discussion at Talk:Kim Ekdahl du Rietz: 1) click "Add topic" at the top of the page; 2) place the wikitext {{subst:Requested move|The name you think is correct|reason=Why...}} in the text field. —⁠andrybak (talk) 22:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

All but one of the sources cited, and all but one of the external links, use "Du", so I believe that the move is warranted. But I can't do it myself as there exists a redirect Kim Ekdahl Du Rietz. It'll take an admin to overwrite that. Maproom (talk) 22:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

I have moved the article over the redirect, leaving a redirect at the title with lowercase "du". Deor (talk) 23:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Attribution of articles translated from foreign language wikipedias

Hello all,

Questions for input from Wikipedians regarding how articles that include text translated from foreign language wikipedias should have attributions handled. All translations of content from any language wikipedia are derivative works that require attribution. (See here for rationale.)

This question arises from pages like Abeozen which have in-article mentions of the translation source ( The above article was created as a translation of its counterpart on the French Wikipedia. (Specifically this version), while WP:TFOLWP and Help:Translate recommend inserting this information only in the edit history, and there are many pages (approx. 94,000 with Template:Translated page included in their talk page, but this appears to be additional to attribution requirements.

Looking for input on the following points:

1. Should pages which do not have attribution information in the edit history have this information added to the edit history?

   Rationale for Yes is that WP:TFOLWP and Help:Translate state this is a requirement for attribution, and prevents against any removal of attribution from future edits.

   Rationale for No is that attribution in the article is more visible than attribution in the edit history.

2. Should attribution information be included the article?

   Rationale for Yes, all pages is that this raises awareness and visibility of the article's origin as a translation.

   Rationale for Undecided / Decision between editors on individual articles is that changes to existing articles is not necessary, this is optional to each article's authors.

   Rationale for No is that to prevent WP:CIRCULAR, articles should not cite or present wikipedia in any language in a manner that could be confused with a source or reference, and guidance for attributions is for this to only be included in edit histories as per WP:TFOLWP and Help:Translate.

3. Should attribution information be included in the talk page with Template:Translated page ?

   Rationale for Yes, all pages is that this raises awareness and visibility of the article's origin as a translation.

   Rationale for Undecided / Decision between editors on individual articles is that changes to existing articles is not necessary, this is optional to each article's authors.

   Rationale for No is that translation attribution should only be in the edit history..

Other answers or positions regarding the above questions are welcome, as are other questions arising in discussion on this point.

Pinging potentially interested Wikipedians: @Mike Peel

Thank you all for your input! Shazback (talk) 23:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Shazback: This seems like quite an in-depth question not suited to a help desk for new editors. It also has legal implications since the attribution requirements are in the licence and not under Wikipedia's control. I suggest moving this to WP:VPM for discussion. RudolfRed (talk) 23:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @RudolfRed, thanks for the input.

I'll leave this up for a few hours to gather other points of view / inputs, but indeed it does seem like listing on WP:VPM would be relevant / useful.

Thanks! Shazback (talk) 00:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

To any new editors reading this: the wording on WP:TFOLWP is clear. When translating content, you say it's a translation of another Wiki article, which you then link to in the edit summary. If you forget, you can follow the instructions on WP:RIA to fix the articles.

More generally, what an individual may have done in 2009 is irrelevant. Somebody should probably sit down with that article and determine exactly which edits contained derivative works of the frWiki article, and mark them as such with a dummy edit. The translation template on the talk page, while encouraged, will likely never become mandatory because of the subjective application. (Do you need to add it when you only translated a sentence? Probably not- but what if the enWiki article was a two-sentence stub to begin with. What if you added the template years ago, but somebody came across and rewrote nearly all of the article. Do you keep the template? The new person probably took structure and prose from your translation, but is that enough to necessitate a translation template?) Similarly, we're unlikely to see community consensus for a front-facing attribution because enough people think they're ugly and remove them. I don't think you're going to get more of an answer here. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 02:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

About citing International Phonetic Alphabet reference

Hello, I have one question about citing reference of International Phonetic Alphabet(IPA). (Historically or socially) so famous people can find IPA references in on/offline encyclopedias, but most people(such as sports players) have to rely only on their native language interview sources to cite IPA refereces. I heard that IPAs generally need pronunciation sources as WP:REF says, but there is a small chance that citing those interview sources can violate WP:YOUTUBE(though the publisher is verified). Is it okay to use those interview sources as IPA references? --YellowTurtle9 (talk) 01:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Auto-confirmed question

I have been in Wikipedia for 4 days and have made over 200 edits and created 2 articles, but the system is saying that I am not auto-confirmed. Can you help me find a solution to this? GuapMachine (talk) 02:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)