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August 7

Disable book-creation tooltip

I sank my knees into the special pages too deeply, now trapped into the swamp that is Special:Book (do not click!). Since going there, I've been harassed and stalked by a neverending satan that manifests in front of my own very eyes in the form of a tooltip every time I hover over an article along with the WP:POPUPS (and/or page previews) I've already installed, powerless to prevent its reoccurence as these stupid gadgets are bible-illiterate. How do I exorcize those inner demons?

(TL;DR: How do I disable the tooltip to add an article to "my" Special:Book?) Aaron Liu (talk) 01:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Aaron Liu: There should be a "disable" link next to "Book creator" at the top of pages or at Special:Book. If you don't see it then try https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Book&bookcmd=stop_book_creator. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't see the link (maybe cuz I use so many scripts thanks to chiefing WP:S++, shamelss plug) but the second link worked. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia page

Have my Wikipedia page created or not? Notify me please. 27.147.200.14 (talk) 03:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean by 'your' Wikipedia page? Nobody owns article or pages here. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 03:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

If you mean a Wikipedia article about you, we cannot tell unless you tell us who you are; but the chances are, No, because most people in the world are not notable in Wikipedia's special sense of the word. ColinFine (talk) 09:41, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

You can check for yourself easily. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:01, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Trying to retire from mentoring

Now that I'm semi-retired I'm trying to retire from being a mentor. However both times that I have tried have resulted in an error. Anyone know what's going on (or maybe someone with magical powers can reassign my mentors for me and remove my mentorship?)? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{blaze__wolf} 03:39, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf Perhaps some hang out at Wikipedia talk:Growth Team features/Mentor list? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Top left menu

The menu on the top left of the page follows down the page when you scroll down the page is very irritating. Is it possible to have it stay on top. It distracts when reading the page. 80.217.141.231 (talk) 05:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Almost everybody who looks at this page is involved with the content of Wikipedia, not the user interface.

You might get a better response at WP:VPT. ColinFine (talk) 09:43, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

"Main menu" does not follow down for me. I guess you refer to "Contents". It has a "hide" link which moves it to a clickable icon at top of the page. If you make an account (free and easy with no requirement to give an email address or any information) then you can choose another skin than the default Vector 2022 at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. All the other skins display the table of contents after the lead section as part of the article and not to the left. Skins also make other changes. I prefer Vector legacy. You can see an example here without an account: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia?useskin=vector. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:45, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Why can’t I convert lira to USD for 2023?

Hello,

I know very little about templates but I can see that TUR is in https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:To_USD/data/2023&action=edit

So can anyone help to explain why am I getting ‘Undefined year "2023"’ on Forest in Turkey#Forest products please? Chidgk1 (talk) 08:47, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't see a "2023" line in Template:To USD round, which seems odd to me. (You'll need to "Edit (source)" to see the content - it normally shows only the documentation for a template).

It may be straightforward to add it, but I wouldn't try it myself. I suggest asking at Template talk:To USD round. ColinFine (talk) 09:50, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks - have asked at Template talk:To USD round#Documentation for how to add new year? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:13, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

How to nominate an anniversary in Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries?

How to nominate an anniversary in Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries? AsteriodX (talk) 09:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

AsteriodX, there are instructions at Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries, starting with "How to contribute to the project". TSventon (talk) 09:59, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Appropriate to describe and cite copyright concerns in an article?

A new editor has added a substantial paragraph to the Quenya article (which is about one of Tolkien's constructed languages) on the matter of the copyright status of the language, and (less relevantly) of Tolkien's Tengwar script, one way that Quenya can be written (Latin script with diacritics is an alternative). I'd be inclined to delete the whole paragraph as basically off-topic for the article, both because Tengwar is a different article, and because it's not up to Wikipedia to discuss a language's copyright issues – after all, we don't want to fill thousands of articles (on books, films, you name it) with copyright discussions. Is it appropriate to have such a discussion in the Quenya article, and is there a statement of policy about this somewhere? Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Chiswick Chap: I've removed the latter quarter of it since it reads like instructions, effectively a manual and an illegal external link was added. It read like a copyright notice to instruct readers that it is copyright, don't touch, which is bollocks. That is not in our purview. scope_creep^Talk 23:39, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Chiswick Chap: I see the editor has been blocked for 31 hours for being disruptive. The link he added makes me suspect he is a paid editor, sent in to instruct readers, what with copyright holder url embedded in the paragraph. I left a notice on his talk talk page and he got disruptive. Its the first time I've seen that kind of instruction to the reader (hands off its copyright) been left on Wikipedia. I suspect its not going to be the last. Really shabby behaviour. scope_creep^Talk 01:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

His comments on the talk page were chaotic and aggressive, So it's all clearly inappropriate. Many thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 03:30, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Assistance Needed with Draft Approval: Silent Hands Support Inc.

Hi,

I have created a draft for an organization called "Silent Hands Support Inc." (Draft:Silent Hands Support Inc.). It is still in draft status, and I would like to understand how I can improve it to meet Wikipedia's guidelines and get it approved. The draft includes multiple reliable sources and detailed information about the organization. However, I am unsure if there are specific issues or improvements needed.

Here is the link to the draft: Draft:Silent Hands Support Inc.

Can someone please review the draft and provide feedback or guidance on what changes are necessary for approval?

Thank you, 103.31.152.245 (talk) 13:35, 7 August 2024 (UTC)103.31.152.245 (talk) 13:27, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

User:Farabikhanb Please ensure you are logged in when you contribute. The draft is unlikely to be accepted in its current form. Wikipedia is not interested in what organisations say about themselves in press releases. We want independent reliable sources to show the organisation is wikinotable. Also, you uploaded to Wikimedia Commons the logo of the organisation, saying it was your "own work". Is that really the case: did you personally create this logo and are now releasing its copyright worldwide to anyone to use for any purpose? Given that Silent Hands is registered in Australia, I'm surprised that none of the sources seem to be from there but that's a minor point. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Should I specify in a software infobox's "License" section if the software is not available to the public?

The article in question is about China Railway's Ticketing and Reservation System, which obviously isn't available to the public. Should this be specified in the infobox, as I did? Félix An (talk) 13:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

It is purely editorial decision. It depends on whether this information is considered useful for readers. Ruslik_Zero 19:13, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Help for publishing a translation from PT-BR

Hello!

This is my first contribution to En-Wiki and I got a bit confused because it is quite different from the PT-Wiki.

I translated a page (User:Maosone/CazeTV) from a PT page CazéTV. I'd like to ask for help for publishing it if you guys think it is interesting. Please, let me know if I made any major mistakes or if it needs any corrections so I can improve it. If not, should I take any measures to delete it or is it done automatically? I don't want to get in trouble or being blocked here. Maosone (talk) 19:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

The article won't be deleted I think because it doesn't have "Draft:[insert title]". If it did, it would be deleted in about 6 months since the last edit was made to it (it is not deleted automatically, it is a manual process done by a person).

After reading your draft, it seems to meet notability guidelines from my point of view. Soafy234 (talk) 23:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Soafy234, I translated the article using Wikipedia’s translation tool, but when I tried to publish it, it was automatically moved to this space: User:Maosone/CazeTV. Now I am not sure what to do with it. Could you please advise on the next steps? Maosone (talk) 19:46, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Click on "Tools" then press "Move". The first dropdown box under "new title", select Draft or (Article) and then press move page

I would suggest submitting the draft for review if you are unsure if it would meet our Wikipedia language guidelines (I think someone once told me or I saw somebody said that guidelines of things vary from one language Wikipedia to another.

Directions on how to submit draft can be found here : Help:Your first article#Ask for a review Soafy234 (talk) 19:57, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Purchase Orders

How do I order books?

Scott Sbotko (talk) 20:23, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@Sbotko: Wikipedia does not sell books. RudolfRed (talk) 20:30, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

August 8

Questions

how to see some one message James Orma (talk) 00:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Messages are usually posted talk pages, although email is also an option in some cases. Can you be more specific about what you are looking for?

@James Orma: redo bad ping RudolfRed (talk) 01:28, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Harris

How much does Kamala Harris weigh 2600:1700:42C4:3140:554D:2F8A:B719:36EF (talk) 01:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Help desk is for questions on using Wikipedia. Try the reference desk at WP:RDM RudolfRed (talk) 01:28, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

most test pepper question

Ar 2405:201:683A:D80D:D4DD:3D6C:BD1E:58A2 (talk) 03:53, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Please use WP:SANDBOX for test edits RudolfRed (talk) 05:51, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect information

Hello, the height of my son is incorrect on wiki, he is a footballer and it says he is 6'1 when he is actually 6'5 this is having a detrimental affect on his career as he appears smaller than he actually is - how can this be changed ? Thanks 155.190.60.28 (talk) 12:55, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

IP editor: Please see this advice for article subjects. Wikipedia is based on summarizing what reliable sources say, so one way forward is to have such a source publish the correct information. For some details, publication on a person's website, or that of his club would suffice: see WP:ABOUTSELF. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:08, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Meanwhile another editor has reverted your edit to Ben Hockenhull, as we do not want information in articles that contradicts the cited source. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Image displaying weird

Does anyone know what is going on with the image at Dillon Mitchell? When I go to the file page, it doesn't even look like that. Thanks, ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:37, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

The original uploader did a poor cropping. It needs to be reverted and re-cropped. See File:2023, 17, Dillon Mitchell.jpg on Commons. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:45, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

I think the uploader made a good cropping but MediaWiki still shows the old version at some resolutions, strecthed to the height-width ratio of the new version. That sometimes happens and is hard to fix. Compare these:

https:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/2023%2C_17%2C_Dillon_Mitchell.jpg/90px-2023%2C_17%2C_Dillon_Mitchell.jpg

https:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/2023%2C_17%2C_Dillon_Mitchell.jpg/91px-2023%2C_17%2C_Dillon_Mitchell.jpg

The only difference is supposed to be scaling the same image to width 91 px instead of 90 px, but I currently see the old uncropped version at 90px and the new tall cropped version at 91px. commons:File:2023, 17, Dillon Mitchell.jpg#filehistory shows the old 90 px image but stretched to the height-width ratio of the new 91px image. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

For anyone else looking at this, I went ahead and uploaded a new version (File:2023, 17, Dillon Mitchell (cropped).jpg). If you try to put the old version (File:2023, 17, Dillon Mitchell.jpg) in the infobox it still looks weird. Thanks, ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:47, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

It looks weird at the default infobox size 220px where the old file version is strecthed to the new height-width ratio. It looks normal with image_size = 221px. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:53, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Family tree chart and things

I have been previously instructed to utilise services such as Miraheze in order to put random things on rather than creating a user sandbox subpage. However, Miraheze does not allow access to the Wikipedia version of MediaWiki, which is the main reason I wanted to make a subpage. I had intentions of creating Wikipedia-style tree-charts or tree-lists for my fictional stories, as they have aesthetic appeal. Is there a place where I can do this? Blocky44 (talk · contributions · sandbox) 16:13, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't know the answer for sure, @Blocky44, but my guess is that you are trying to use templates (and possibly modules) that are specific to Wikipedia. If that is so, I doubt if you'll find another Mediawiki installation which will have them. It is possible that you can copy these across to another Mediawiki instance, unless they use underlying facilities that are turned on in Wikipedia and not in that other Mediawiki server (I don't know how likely that is). If that is the case, I suspect the only thing you are going to be able to do is to set up your own Mediawiki server. ColinFine (talk) 16:30, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Is your plan to take a screenshot and publish it somewhere else together with your story? You could preview code here and only save it elsewhere like on your own computer. Or you could try to copy the used templates to Miraheze. I don't know their rules but if you preview a page here then you can see a list of used templates at "Templates used in this preview" at the bottom of the window. You can also use Special:ExpandTemplates to see the code produced after all templates are called. This code can be copied to other MediaWiki installations without the used templates. See Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content if you copy from Wikipedia. The rendering of some things rely on more than the code, e.g. an installed extension, or styling in MediaWiki:Common.css. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter I would be placing this code onto a page, such as my sandbox, along with fictional story details around it, like you see in this article. My story has various important families and also I have several governmental structure things that are best represented with tree-list.

I could do the thing with expand template but that makes the code incredibly complicated, and I hate when code is complicated. Blocky44 (talk · contributions · sandbox) 17:51, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Blocky44: Maybe you could take a screenshot of a preview here and upload it as an image at Miraheze, while keeping a copy of the used code on your own computer if you want to modify it later. As you have apparently been told before, wikipedia.org is not the place to publish your story. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

How do I fix a page?

Hello Everyone, I'm a longtime user and limited contributor - tho I've created this account solely to manage the page for "Autarky" and that was over a year ago. I revisited the page yesterday and was quite disheartened by the content found there.

I feel very strongly that autarky is a dangerous political/economic ideology that must be accurately defined and the historical information extensive to best allow individuals to arrive at their own understanding of the concept. It is an idea that MUST be believed BEFORE someone can believe Fascist ideology - a stepping stone idea if you will.

I was 12 credits of general away from degrees in Poli Sci, History, and Public Administration - not once was autarky defined in a positive manner by anyone I'm aware of in my discipline. I had a unique experience at University - the Poli Sci Head was literally the elected Secretary of the Statewide GOP, his second was a decorated US Army Officer and veteran of the Iraq War and the youngest Doc in the department was a bleeding heart liberal fresh out of Grad school - balanced out my otherwise very conservative education.

Autarky being bad was in no way contentious to any of the aforementioned faculty that literally taught me otherwise.

Plus, this is common sense. Nowhere on earth is everything found. That is fact. No single country can provide itself all that it needs, all of the time, that is just silly. The idea that a country can exist as island to itself has a current example - North Korea

This is a dangerous idea masquerading as a silly definition - but one that sounds real appealing the Far-Right Nationalists that are coming to power all over the world, which does not surprise me at all considering who utilized it in the past (the Nazis). The page specifically identifies it as being a Leftist idea - which demonstrates the sheer manipulation of the content considering the most far-right society that has ever existed, Nazi Germany, widely propagated an economic policy of autarky albeit with limited trade - as was necessary...

To my questions now - I apologize.

How can I mark the page contentious or debated - something of the like?

And how can I make edits that require consensus to be changed or how can the page be made so that edits require approval? Can I suggest a completed edit - I'm not trying to force my views or anything like that, I will have substantial documentation. Thats a lot of work just to have everything reverted tho.

How can I be involved in that process?

I really appreciate the assistance and I apologize for my stumbling around this site. I appreciate the work everyone does here very much.

- Jakksen/Notarky Notarky (talk) 20:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Autarky

@Notarky: The place to discuss changes to an article are at that article's talk page. You just recently posted there, so be patient and give other editors a chance to reply. This is how you can get consensus on any changes you want to propose. RudolfRed (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Jakksen. Please read OWN and WP:BRD. Your statement that you "managed" the article autarky is simply false: no editor has the right or the privilege to "manage" any Wikipedia article.

You clearly have a strong belief that the article should say some things and not others. Others may have equally strong beliefs that differ from yours. Wikipedia is collaborative, and works by consensus. If you want it a certain way, it is up to you to argue the case on the article's talk page, and try to reach consensus. If you cannot do so, dispute resolution tells you ways to proceed.

You say that it is a "dangerous" philosophy. You may be right: I don't know. But Wikipedia is not censored. ColinFine (talk) 20:51, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah... this is censored rn - that has already happened, and I sus more places than just here.

I don't kno how to explain this w/o you taking some sort of personal offense - despite you already clarifying that have no skin in this game, other than a concern over censorship that I have also.

I do not care at all about offending you or convincing you of anything. Despite people's beliefs that their political opinions render all politics opinion - that is actually not the case at all. People are fundamentally predictable, we are all essentially the same, hopes dreams goals - all very similar stuff from person to person. We are creatures of habit and routine - far, far more than we realize.

So much so that people created a SCIENCE OF POLITICS - perhaps look up the word science. Most of Poli Sci at an advanced level is Statistics - Math, lots and lots of math, very graphable stuff. Stuff that dictates how governments make decisions - the small potatoes.

There is a definition of autarky - just like there is a definition of photosynthesis - I'm not the one that has to prove my position, I'm the one with science at my back - here is a link to content I deem credible.

This is the second time I've used this article - it solely talks about the economic aspects of autarky, the vast majority of which is missing from the wiki - how can the encyclopedic page be missing content about the economic policies of an economic ideology? Does that make sense? Common sense, does that make it?

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/autarky.asp

Even if the page currently says the nonsense, it doesn't make that true or real or science. Exactly like if I go change photosynthesis to something about birds - that doesn't make that so. My insistence that it is about birds doesn't mean all the people that do understand that it has nothing to do with birds, would owe me an explanation, that would be ridiculous. Just like this is ridiculous of you to challenge me while admitting you don't know.

This is also history - which has already happened and tho is always open to a level of interpretation from our time and space, and that is unavoidable to an extent, this is outright lies about history. Lies of omission and just blatant in your face lies.

The page RIGHT NOW says autarky is a LEFTIST policy - autarky is opposed to all trade between countries, that is what it is all about. Leftist politics are globalist and based on the tenants of free trade - the more interconnected countries are the better. I changed that twice and yet its back. Nazi Germany, the most far-right nation state in human history, adopted and propagated this economic policy - its as right of center as it gets.

What is a lie if that isn't one?

I don't how I'm the one that owes an explanation when a simple search outside this site, to anywhere you deem credible with information about autarky, will call to question the content here. You need know nothing - they say different things - both can't be true.

Is this what you want to be defending?

I'm not trying to be an ass. I've just wrote a bunch of factual statements, nothing above this line is open to interpretation. I'm not citing anything bc I'm just ranting - you can verify everything I've said, or just wait awhile, I'm going to ask actual Economists and Historians to draft this entire article. They will want to 100%

Thanks for reaching out. I hope you have a great day.

- Notarky Notarky (talk) 13:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Notarky Tenets, not tenants of free trade. And you have just written; you have not just wrote. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:46, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

The following post has been moved to here from the following thread by ColinFine (talk) 16:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey Colin

Is there anywhere that I could suggest content be reviewed? It seems like I'm just going to tick everybody off - that is not at all what I want to do. I think if I go looking, I'm going to find a lot of intentionally misleading content on pages related to fascism.

I don't know how to not be contentious - I'm saying something is wrong and asking it be fixed. I don't believe Wikians are why it is wrong. I frequently visit the French wikipedia pages bc they normally have a lot more content than the English equivalent. The French page for the same topic, tho not a very good article, states clearly that autarky is a myth - that is all I want in English.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autarcie

If there is no place for pages to be collectively reviewed and discussed - there ought to be. Like the Editor of a Newspaper but as a designated person for a topic, or sitewide positions, or a decision making body with authority to say "this is correct" and have it be that way. If that does not exist I think creating that should be a very high priority.

I value this resource immensely because I trust the people I watched create the millions of pages here - I've read tens and tens of thousands of them and the vast majority are as professional and factual as any encyclopedia has ever been. I think that credibility needs to be safeguarded and sooner than later.

I'm just throwing this at you bc I've now seen your name a few times and I'm only a few hours into all this. You can completely ignore me, I wont take it personal.

Thanks regardless and have a great day! Notarky (talk) 14:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Notarky. First of all, there is absolutely no decision making body with authority to say "this is correct". That would be counter to everything that Wikipedia is based on. Wikipedia is governed by consensus. There is an arbitration committee, but its job is about enforcing community decisions, generally about editor behaviour, not about resolving disputes about content.

The place where you might possibly start a discussion beyond a single article is on the talk page of WP:WikiProject Politics. But I suggest reading that project page I have linked to first, and also search the talk page for whether this has already been discussed (I have no idea whether or not it has). ColinFine (talk) 16:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Being listed on Wikipedia

How does a person get added on Wikipedia 104.35.92.137 (talk) 22:42, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

By qualifying. Please read WP:BIO 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:43, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

To add to Tim's answer: meeting the criteria for notability is the minimum requirement, without which an article is impossible.

If the person does meet those criteria, there is nothing automatic about creating an article about them. Somebody would have to write the article: somebody who understands the core principles of Wikipedia such as verifiability, reliable sources and neutral point of view; preferably somebody who has no connection with the person, and certainly not the person themselves.

Another thing that a person should understand who is eager to be the subject of an article on Wikipedia, is that if such an article is created, it will not belong to them, will not be controlled by them, will not necessarily say what they want it to say, and will not be for their benefit, except incidentally. Promotion of any kind is forbidden on Wikipedia. See an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 23:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

A post moved to the previous thread, #How do I fix a page? by ColinFine (talk) 16:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Notarky, please explain what that has to do with the original topic about a person getting added on Wikipedia? Uporządnicki (talk) 14:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

August 9

referencing - will not edit in visual editor

Hi I had to redo all all my referencing as it put them all out of numerical order. Now when i go to enter them it will give the reference a number [5] instead of a number [13] I've put so much work into my article an no one is helping. I've tried editing it that many times and it keeps doing it. Now I Just want to delete my Wikipedia article and put it somewhere else. I'm very cluey when it comes to things like this but from what i can see and you also can't find a draft page. You reach out for help here and there is nothing. I would like my article I wrote deleted now but i can't even do that! And there is no help page and it seems my information is now permanently stuck here for all eternity until the inevitable marked for deletion comes up, with people voting from what I have read. Or unless you request someone else's article gets deleted! What a strange platform that we cannot delete our own work after finding out how complicated wikipedia actually is. I wanted drafts but can't even do that it goes straight to publish under the sandbox and there is no draft available to do this. Most of us aren't versed in code for the other editor. And the visual editor even Wikipedia admit its got bugs and not reliable, so what is the point if there are no other options. You click on help, type in what you need help with and it takes you to some huge technical page. With no explanation. This had been made way too complicated to navigate and its like going down the proverbial rabbit hole which leads to a whole other set of problems. It's like a black hole you fall into and can't get out of . How sad and disappointing to learn this. I dont want to have to have a university degree to be able to master this but it seems at this rate it's required. Nanette unsolved (talk) 08:00, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

You are attempting the most difficult task there is on Wikipedia! I have made some edits to your draft to help you on your way. Theroadislong (talk) 08:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou so much I so appreciate it. As you can see there are so many edits from me due to this. I've looked up tutorials as well. Seems there was a glitch or something but good to know @Theroadislong Nanette unsolved (talk) 09:59, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Nanette unsolved, if I'm understanding you correctly, you're frustrated by the fact you use ref#15 for someething, and it's suddenly now ref#3 or something? You need to ignore the # of the references; they are numbered by the order in which they appear in the article, so that can change every time you insert a reference. I've renamed them for you; instead of using the number, use the name. Valereee (talk) 12:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

oh wow thankyou @Valereee I was about to add some external links So I hope i do this right. Yes that's what was happening. It's also saying my page doesn't exist. I think this is because my article isn't approved yet, would that be correct? ~~~~ Nanette unsolved (talk) 12:32, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Nanette unsolved, it's in your sandbox, which means that it hasn't been submitted yet for approval. When you feel it is ready for submission, you can move it to Draft:Murder of Nanette Mae Ellis and submit it for approval. You won't be able to do this for another three days (your account must be at least 4 days old to make a move) so use that time to make sure you've used WP:RELIABLE sources. For instance, Wikipedia does not consider Wikipedia to be a reliable source, so you need to go find the information from Boronia, Victoria that you're using, figure out what sources that article is using, and cite to that source rather than to the Wikipedia article about that subject. Sorry if that's clear as mud! :) Valereee (talk) 12:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I understand thankyou for clearing that up @Valereee Nanette unsolved (talk) 13:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

error message problem

I updated the Sexual Compulsives Anonymous literature list on the Wikipedia page. Somehow, the word "ISBN" is listed twice next to the top entry, I dont know how to change it

Gordonbsca (talk) 12:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

When filling in the "ISBN" field, you just need to type in the numbers. I've removed the extra "ISBN" for you. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 12:41, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

thank you for your help ! Gordonbsca (talk) 12:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Use this without an account

may I use this without an account? 2601:441:4081:4CB0:3751:83F3:9F94:D78B (talk) 15:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Im not sure what you are referring to by "account" 2603:7000:3801:2986:6440:FD06:762C:388E (talk) 15:40, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I guess it refers to a Wikipedia user account, but what do you mean by "use this"? Most things don't require an account. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

See Why create an account? Although you don't have to create an account to do basic editing of non-protected articles, you can do a much wider range of things with an account.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Do Not Archive Until Tag

If I remove "<!-- [[User:DoNotArchiveUntil]] 01:13, 16 July 2124 (UTC) -->{{User:ClueBot III/DoNotArchiveUntil|4876766028}}" from my own talk page, will this allow the section in question to be removed automatically by the archive bot? --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jax 0677: Yes, assuming nothing else prevents archiving. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:41, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

How should one translate 10 Lives to 10 Lives (album) to preserve the album article history?

To avoid a cut & paste move, how should one translate 10 Lives to 10 Lives (album) to preserve the album article history while keeping the disambiguation page at 10 Lives (at least for now)? --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:43, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jax 0677: Do you mean you want to start an article at 10 Lives (album) with content from the page history of 10 Lives? Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/10 Lives decided to not have an article about the album. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:51, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I have no intention of restarting an article about 10 Lives, only preserving the article history somewhere in a manner similar to how it is preserved now. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:56, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jax 0677: An administrator could make a history split but it would be odd when the content has never been at 10 Lives (album) and isn't anywhere live. If your concern is somebody looking at the page history there and not realizing but possibly wanting to know there is an album page history at 10 Lives then you could make a dummy edit to the redirect with an edit summary like "The page history of 10 Lives has an article about the album but Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/10 Lives decided to not keep the article". PrimeHunter (talk) 16:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

The problem, is that there is a move discussion to translate 10 Lives (film) to 10 Lives. --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

OK, didn't know that. A preserved page history may not be needed when it was decided to redirect but I have made a history split from 10 Lives to 10 Lives (album). PrimeHunter (talk) 22:59, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Will I get in trouble?

Will I get in trouble if I move a draft to the main space article? I haven't really been involved in moving a draft, as I know we have articles for review. Thank you! 45BearsFan (talk) 16:51, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@45BearsFan: The WP:AFC process is optional. If you have a draft that is ready for mainspace, you may move it there. See WP:DRAFTMOVE RudolfRed (talk) 17:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@45BearsFan (Assuming this is about Draft:Haas Factory Team) The new pages patrol look at pages moved into mainspace without going through WP:AfC. They may treat them a bit more harshly than a reviewer would. For that specific draft, I note that parts towards the end have no cited sources and the whole thing is a bit WP:CRYSTALBALL, since it refers to something that may or may not happen in 2025. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:19, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

I should've worded it better but it was about the 2025 NASCAR Cup Series article. 45BearsFan (talk) 14:45, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

If you have some practice reviewing drafts, and you think yours is OK, go ahead and move it. Otherwise submit it for review. I'm pretty experienced (I've created several articles and I'm an administrator) but occasionally I still submit something for review to get another set of eyes on it for improvement. I know it can take months but there is no deadline. You've received some criticism by Mike Turnbull, above. I suggest you heed it before you move the article. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

I want to add that there is a roblox game made after brookhaven georgia and is very popular millions of players but it got reverted

can anyone do a more constructive version of mine so it can get added. thank you or give me tips on how to get it constroctive. 2A02:1210:8601:5C00:D1DC:6443:BACE:EFD1 (talk) 18:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookhaven,_Georgia

please help me 2A02:1210:8601:5C00:D1DC:6443:BACE:EFD1 (talk) 18:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Answered at The Teahouse. Please don't ask the same question in more than one place. RudolfRed (talk) 18:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Train Stops

Hi all, I am currently running a project dedicated to an extension of a train service in my area. It involves the regular train service, as well as Amtrak. I wanted to know how to style the page, for the header, do I use the Amtrak header or do I use the train service's header? Thanks in advance. Cloudsarepretty (talk) 19:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

But does this involve an article here on Wikipedia? If it doesn't, we can't help on this.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:43, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for the lack of clarification. Yes, It involves about 7 pages. The entire project involves more but the specific problem I'm having only involves the small number. Cloudsarepretty (talk) 19:46, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Cloudsarepretty: You will get better, subject-specific, advice at WT:WikiProject Trains. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

OS Grid references

Hi Folks!! Is there anyway to use a grid reference outside an infobox, for example could I somehow it in a cell table via a template and enable it to open OpenStreetMap, for example. scope_creep^Talk 19:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I believe that you can use Template:Coord anywhere. ColinFine (talk) 20:37, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

If by OS you mean Ordnance Survey, then perhaps {{OS coord}} will do what you want.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 21:29, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Scope creep: When I've had occasion to add OS grid coordinates in an article, I've always used one of the {{Gbmapping}} templates. That provides a link to a GeoHack page from which one can choose to open OpenStreetMap, Google Maps, an OS map, etc. {{Gbmappingsmall}} might be most appropriate for use in a table cell. Deor (talk) 14:25, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk:, @Deor: Both of them seem to be ideal. I'll test them to see how they behave. Thanks folks!! scope_creep^Talk 17:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

August 10

"User is blocked" message

Why am I getting a "User is blocked" message when I try to upload a media. Screenshot: [1] Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 00:57, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

@Vestrian24Bio: As it says in the message, you address is blocked due to proxy rules. Follow the instructions in the message to request a review. RudolfRed (talk) 01:03, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Request for Assistance in Creating/Updating Author and TV Show Creator Page

Hello Wikipedia Community,

I am seeking assistance in creating or updating a Wikipedia page for myself as an author and creator of children’s TV shows. I have published three books and produced several TV shows for kids. Here are some details about my work:

Books Published (albanian language): “Mëngjeset janë parajsa“ (poezi, 2018) - "Heaven is another morning" (poetry, 2018) „Qyteti Qiellzi“ (prozë poetike, 2020) - "Black Sky City" (poetic prose, sci-fi, 2020) „Qielli i shpirtit“ (poemë, 2021) - "Sky of the soul" (poem, sci-fi, 2021)

TV Shows for Kids: I've been working for 12 years in MRT (Macedonian Radio Television) which is a public broadcasting organization and there I have worked as an author and presenter. These are my original titles:

„Eja në përrallën tonë“ (2015-2018) - "Come to our fairytale" (2015-2018) „Zbavitemi dhe zbulojmë“ (2019) - "Having fun and uncovering) (2019) „Pirati mjekërrzi“ (2020) - "The Blackbeard pirate" „Arushi dhe Bretkosa“ (2020) - "The Bear and the Frog" (2020) - Tv puppet show „E drejtë apo e gabuar“ (2021 – 2022) - "Right or wrong" (2021 - 2022) „Bota e përrallave“ (2023) - " The world of fairytales" (2023) Tv Drama

I was granted achievement award for the show "The Bear and the Frog" by AJM (Association of Journalists of Macedonia), UNDP and Swiss Embassy for Educational and Creative approach for raising awareness in children regarding the environment. Some of the my shows are accessible in the following YouTube Page: UC36A3Uy9VCn37qqhV4bh_MQ

Animated illustration:

I worked with the following artists - Antonio Arangelovic (illustrator), Marina Avramovic (editor) and Adem Karaga (actor) and produced an animated illustration by visualizing the first chapter of my book "A dying world". You can see this in the next link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LR9q8EhqRs&t=1s

Media Coverage: MRT (Macedonian Radio Television) interviewed both of my books which can be found in the following links: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oltm8DhzL1M&t=617s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL4yImvpq2A

I understand the importance of neutrality and verifiability on Wikipedia and would appreciate the community’s help in ensuring that the page meets all guidelines and standards.

Thank you for your time and assistance.

Best regards, Asdren Çeliku Asdrenceliku (talk) 02:17, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Most of these sources are not suitable. Self published sources are avoided as much as possible, while videos and interviews involving you don't help the claim for notability either. We will need indepth and independent coverage of you, like ones from news articles, books or other trustworthy sources, preferably not routine coverage like announcement of upcoming projects or being appointed to certain roles. Sources doesn't have to be in English. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 04:19, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

@Tutwakhamoe: Can you refer to a policy which substantiates the claim that "interviews... don't help the claim for notability"? It seems to me that that is not correct, and that interviews may, depending on the context and source, be relevant when considering notability. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Interviews do not establish notability, as by definition an interview is the person speaking about themselves. Anyone can claim anything in an interview. We want to know what others say about you, not what you say about yourself. 331dot (talk) 11:34, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Tungatjeta, Asdren. You are very strongly discouraged from writing about yourself in Wikipedia: see autobiography. This is mostly because it is difficult to write in a neutral tone about oneself, or to judge what is neutral.

Note that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

I'll also point out that, even without the added difficulty of writing about yourself, most editors who try to create an article before they have spent a considerable time learning about Wikipedia's processes and requirements, usually have a frustrating and miserable experience. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 11:16, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Suspicious user

User:Réalgard has done many edits which seem to be all minor edits which could have been one edit and has gone to edit Russo-ukraine and I/P immediately after getting EC. Is there anything to be done or just normal activity? AlexBobCharles (talk) 11:05, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

This isn't really a Help desk question and is more of a matter for WP:ANI if you believe that the user has done something specifically wrong. This would also require notifying the user on their talk page.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 11:13, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

I did not want to go to ANI or notify them because I suspected their activity wasn't anything illegal. I was just wondering if this kind of activity would be actionable. Clarityfiend's reply was what I was looking for and your reply was unhelpful. AlexBobCharles (talk) 12:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

These are simply the edits I wanted to make. Réalgard (talk) 11:15, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Inflating one's edit count may be a little silly, but is not a crime. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:57, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you AlexBobCharles (talk) 12:22, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Mohamed Siad Barre

In our entry we say that Mohamed Siad Barre was born around 1909 in Shilabo, but we have very little evidence and sources. Most references claim that he was born in 1919 in Lugh Ganane. 2A02:B025:F04:AC6A:36A9:5F5A:BBB2:AB43 (talk) 11:11, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

IP editor. There was a prior discussion about this at Talk:Siad Barre#Birth date, which didn't seem to get anywhere. Perhaps you would comment there and add the references you have found so that the article can be updated. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:07, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull There are several results for his birthplace as Ganane and his birth year as 1919. However there are few sources that explain these discrepancies ([2] ; [3] ; [4]). Are they enough to resolve this doubt? Are they authoritative references? 2A02:B025:F04:AC6A:36A9:5F5A:BBB2:AB43 (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Please don't just give us Google books links, especially ones in Italian. If you want to cite a book, give us the proper bibliographic information: author, title, date, publisher, and page number, and (if it's likely to be difficult to find) a brief quotation. ColinFine (talk) 13:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

I've no idea, I'm not an expert in the topic, which is why I suggested you post on its Talk Page (linked above), not here. Our article does already provide a partial explanation. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine @Michael D. Turnbull I asked on the related talk page, but usually in lesser-known topics it's difficult to get an answer. 2A02:B025:F00:878:18C9:5F10:2477:804D (talk) 17:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Misapplication of 'the' in description of an individual

Can someone point me to where in the MOS the misapplication of 'the' in describing an individual is described? The example I remember is something like 'musician Bob Dylan' is preferred to 'the musician Bob Dylan', although I haven't been able to locate it. Thanks. Masato.harada (talk) 16:01, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

That's the essay WP:FALSETITLE. Though it should be noted that this isn't part of the Wikipedia manual of style — opinions vary on this one, and where editors disagree the status quo should remain. Just its mention here might trigger another debate. Popcornfud (talk) 16:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Trouble Submitting Translated Article

I've translated an article from Persian to English and I'm having trouble submitting it for review. I can't find the submit button. I'm a returning editor who used to be able to translate articles directly. Can someone please help me?"

Article in Persian Article in English Neginghaderii (talk) 20:33, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Koorosh Ghorbani

I believe I should also change the name to Koorosh Ghorbani.

thanks for helping me in advance Neginghaderii (talk) 20:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)