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August 25

August 25, 2024 (2024-08-25) (Sunday)

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==== RD: 2024 Barsalogho massacre ====
Article: 2024 Barsalogho massacre (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 200 people die in an Islamic terrorist attack in Barsalogho Department, Burkina Faso. (Post)
==== RD: Joe D'Alessandris ====
Article: Joe D'Alessandris (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former coach for the Baltimore Ravens. 240F:7A:6253:1:E977:822B:E475:C770 (talk) 22:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arrest of Pavel Durov

Article: Arrest of Pavel Durov (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The founder of the messenger app Telegram and the social network VK, Pavel Durov was arrested for complicity in several illegal charges (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Pavel Durov, founder of the messenger app Telegram and the social network VK, is arrested for complicity in several illegal charges.
News source(s): CNN
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Bakhos2010 (talk) 17:45, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose that we don't post simple arrests, we use for the conviction. Further oppose that there's no reason for this to be a separate article from Durov's until there's actually a full trial and conviction to discuss. --Masem (t) 17:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is rather mysterious but seems (geo)political rather than being an ordinary crime -- comparable with the persecution of people like Julian Assange. It seems to be making making headlines in all the major international media and so is quite newsworthy. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is certainly in the news to be notable. That sinking in sicily last week was too. very suspicious.Sportsnut24 (talk) 19:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - We don't generally post arrests, and he's neither such a major public figure, nor accused of so huge a crime, as to provide a good reason to vary that. With all due respect to Scu Ba above, Durov really isn't in Musk or Zuckerberg's ballpark. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - perhaps if this is geopolitical, but I don't see a reason for France to be doing that, or even much speculation. No prejudice if the reason he was arrested is more significant than it appears to be.
Nfitz (talk) 21:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support We don’t post allegations per WP:BLP and wait for the conviction, but I don’t see what prevents us from posting an arrest of a major figure if it receives media attention and is well-documented in a separate article.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:01, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support The arrest, which is very much ITN, of the owner of a social media/messaging app that has nearly a billion users on concerns of “moderation” and a lack of “cooperation” on criminal cases is chilling at best, fascism at worst. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 24

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RD: Christoph Daum

Article: Christoph Daum (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Spiegel, Associated Press
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Noted German football coach. 240F:7A:6253:1:7157:6A0D:C1D6:975F (talk) 12:36, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article looks ready. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 13:51, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Honours section is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 16:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Betty Halbreich

Article: Betty Halbreich (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WWD
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:25, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 16:25, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tom Brown Jr.

Article: Tom Brown Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American survivalist. Obituary published 24 August. Thriley (talk) 22:44, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready article needs a bit of restructuring and there are two cn tags but hey! Publications and media section is fully sourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 16:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 23

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2024 Solingen stabbing

Article: 2024 Solingen stabbing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A mass stabbing at a festival in Solingen, Germany leaves at least three people dead and multiple people with severe injuries. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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Thriley (talk) 00:41, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait Similar to the Bondi stabbing so we will most likely post in due time when more info comes out 27.96.223.192 (talk) 01:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per above. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 04:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for more information as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:18, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Mass casualty event that is being covered significantly across global media outlets. Article appears to meet the criteria for ITN and will only continue to develop. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. There's no wait, something needs to demonstrate notability before anything else. There's been no wide societal effect (like there was with the recent Southport stabbing), and none of the people involved are notable. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 00:35, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They have not ruled out being a terrorist attack and are investigating as if it was one. I agree if this turns out to be a simple domestic matter that it doesn't make sense to post, but if this was terrorism, that's a different matter. — Masem (t) 00:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Same thing with Bondi, we posted that didn’t we? 27.96.223.192 (talk) 04:26, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's notable due to how rare deadly knife attacks are in Germany. Furthermore it seems to be an Islamist attack claimed by IS which has had notable political ramifications. IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 13:23, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for the following reasons: three people killed in a country where such killings are not notable, you have a notable Islamist group claiming responsibility, and involves an issue that is highly political in numerous nations and is also connected to a wider geopolitical controversy. It's currently on the frontpage of BBC, ABC News Australia, Bloomberg, HuffPost, NBC News, CNN, CBC News, AlJazeera, and WION.
IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 12:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"where such killings are not notable" should be "where such killings are not common". IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 12:18, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
you can update your original post, and delete the follow up (and you have my permission to delete this message if you wish). Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:38, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, I agree. It would be a different story if for example a shooting killed a few people in America we wouldn’t post but the same happening in Iceland for example would get posted. It’s about notability not death count. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 12:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't you declare your support then? IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 13:08, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support No reason this shouldn’t be on ITN, significant attack. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 13:52, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(1) Suspecting that this was terrorism is very different from confirming that this was terrorism.
(2) I am not saying that these types of attacks are common, but at least three in one year certainly does not seem rare to me. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1) It won't be confirmed that it was terrorism until the investigation is completed which will take days if not weeks, and it may even be non-confirmed if the police go down a politically-neutral route like mental heath (as they do in the UK). The likelihood that it was terrorism is high nevertheless.
2) It does not need to be rare, just uncommon enough that it can go on ITN. IsTheLightThatBright (talk) 15:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Russell Malone

Article: Russell Malone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Noted jazz guitarist. Needs more citations to be ready. Flibirigit (talk) 00:00, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose unsourced discography and couple of cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 04:39, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Peter Lundgren

Article: Peter Lundgren (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tennis World USA, ATP Tour
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Swedish tennis player and coach of Roger Federer. His death was announced on this day. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C5A:3B46:FCA7:E9D5 (talk) 17:58, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support The article looks good and the person is definitely notable enough to post. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 22:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article meets the bare minimum requirement. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 04:40, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Summer Koshien

Consensus nigh impossible. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:43, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Summer Koshien (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kyoto International wins the 106th Summer Koshien. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Kyoto International wins the 106th Summer Koshien for the first time ever.
News source(s): NHK Kyodo KBS World AP-Yonhap
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i am not used to it so i accept suggestions for the blurb, The number is used beacuse is mostly commonly used instead of the year, akin to Olympics or Super Bowl. Meganinja202 (talk) 06:48, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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August 22

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(Posted) RD: Sphen

Article: Sphen and Magic (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Notable pair of penguins, article seems to be in good shape. 193.165.236.224 (talk) 13:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support the article has been significantly updated and there is specific coverage of the death of Sphen. As such, I believe this meets the threshold of ITN. Note: a separate article is not required for ITNRD, as per Individuals who do not have their own article but who have significant coverage on an article about a group (e.g. one member of a musical group) are eligible for a recent deaths entry on a case-by-case basis., which I believe is met here. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Natg 19 (talk) 17:25, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Canada railroad shutdown

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 01:17, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Canada railroad shutdown (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Canadian rail freight traffic shuts down after the Canadian National Railway Company and Canadian Pacific Kansas City fail to reach an agreement with the Teamsters union. (Post)
News source(s): The Wall Street Journal
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(Posted) RD: Mike Lynch

Article: Mike Lynch (businessman) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Bayesian (yacht) sinking victim that was missing has been found. –  Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article looks detailed and well sourced. Flyingfishee (talk) 13:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support With the blurb nom closed, we should promptly RD this. FlipandFlopped ツ 15:23, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 21

August 21, 2024 (2024-08-21) (Wednesday)

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RD: David Anfam

Article: David Anfam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ARTnews
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

English art historian, curator and author. 240F:7A:6253:1:7157:6A0D:C1D6:975F (talk) 11:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support while article is fully sourced and meets bare minimum requirement, I would still suggest a bit more expansion. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 16:29, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Roger Cook

Article: Roger Cook (landscaper) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): This Old House's website
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American landscaper and star of This Old House. 240F:7A:6253:1:5D40:44D2:9C5E:9E6 (talk) 15:11, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Oppose the article needs a bit more expansion and there are couple of issues with some of the cited sources such as a Facebook source. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:36, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Nick Mileti

Article: Nick Mileti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Founder of Cleveland Cavaliers. 240F:7A:6253:1:5D40:44D2:9C5E:9E6 (talk) 13:33, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose couple of paragraphs ending without a footnote and Publications sections sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:38, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Al Attles

Article: Al Attles (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former NBA player and coach. In good shape. Natg 19 (talk) 00:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article appears alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 09:18, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Sufficient quality.—Bagumba (talk) 10:55, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bill Pascrell

Article: Bill Pascrell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Member of the US House – Muboshgu (talk) 16:24, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait there are couple of paragraphs ending without a footnote and Caucus memberships section needs more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:23, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is ready now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 09:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Nell McCafferty

Article: Nell McCafferty (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Irish Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Irish journalist and feminist campainger. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C49:608C:B2F6:5005 (talk) 13:41, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose early life section is unsourced and so are some of the other paragraphs. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:24, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've updated some of the references to be up to date now @PrinceofPunjab Duck Dur (talk) 21:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Duck Dur early life section still needs a bit more sources and Bibliography section is missing ISBN codes. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 09:07, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will update them later today Duck Dur (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Yemen floods

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No substantial additions to the article in six days + little to no news coverage in the same timeframe, I think it's fair to call this stale. The Kip (contribs) 22:29, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Yemen floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Floods in western Yemen results in the deaths of at least 61 people and the displacement of 6,042 families (Post)
News source(s): Anadolu Agency
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Abo Yemen✉ 12:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Upon further thinking, I change my vote to Oppose now too due to insufficient updates. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 09:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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August 20

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  • BMW recalls more than 720,000 vehicles due to an electrical issue with the vehicle's water pump that could potentially cause a vehicle fire. (AP)

RD: Maryvonne Le Dizès

Article: Maryvonne Le Dizès (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Strad
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Violinist of the Ensemble intercontemporain for more than 20 years, collaborating with founder Pierre Boulez and other composers, commissioning new works, teaching for decades - and had no article until her death became known on 20 August (only one in Russian which we didn't consult). There could be more detail about recordings but I'm out for the day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:19, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good enough to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 16:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Atsuko Tanaka

Article: Atsuko Tanaka (voice actress) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Official Statement by Hikaru Tanaka on Twitter
Credits:

Article updated
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Japanese voice actress. Tofusaurus (talk) 13:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose surprised at the almost fully sourced filmography tables, but article needs a bit more prose. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:35, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sam Landsberger

Article: Sam Landsberger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3], [4]
Credits:

Article needs updating
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 Happily888 (talk) 12:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article is a stub. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:34, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Maria Branyas

Article: Maria Branyas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News, El País
Credits:

Article updated
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American-born Spanish supercentenarian. 240F:7A:6253:1:900E:954A:2704:19B9 (talk) 11:44, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 19

August 19, 2024 (2024-08-19) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

2024 Kiribati parliamentary election

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Article: 2024 Kiribati parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Taneti Maamau's (pictured) Tobwaan Kiribati Party wins the most seats in the 2024 Kiribati parliamentary election but not enough to form a government outright (Post)
News source(s): [5][6][7]
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

It may be a minor country, but it was still a national election. Article could use an update to the infobox, as well as an aftermath section. Scu ba (talk) 02:49, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Superyacht sinks

(NON-ADMIN CLOSURE)
Snow close. RD can be opened if it is confirmed that Lynch has died. Natg 19 (talk) 15:39, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Bayesian (yacht) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The superyacht Bayesian is sunk in a storm and the missing passengers include tycoon Mike Lynch (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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RD: Phil Donahue

Article: Phil Donahue (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News (USA)
Credits:

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American talk show personality. Staraction (talk | contribs) 14:02, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose a couple of cn tags, The Phil Donahue Show section does not have a source. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 15:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose due to citation needed tags. Suonii180 (talk) 17:41, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, Donahue reinvented the talk show format and brought the concept up a level or two. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Every person with an article is deemed notable enough for RD. So the only issue to be discussed here relates to the quality/sourcing of the article (see WP:ITNRD). Tradediatalk 16:55, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support CN tags seem to be resolved Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:57, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As of now, I can see 4 "citation needed". Tradediatalk 22:30, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 18

August 18, 2024 (2024-08-18) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports

RD: Ruth Johnson Colvin

Article: Ruth Johnson Colvin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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American philanthropist and founder of ProLiteracy. 240F:7A:6253:1:F408:FA10:89EF:D1C4 (talk) 21:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose ProLiteracy section is unsourced and the published works section needs more references. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:33, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Tour de France Femmes

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Article: 2024 Tour de France Femmes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cycling, Katarzyna Niewiadoma wins the Tour de France Femmes. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian BBC Le Monde
Credits:

Article updated

RD: Franciszek Smuda

Article: Franciszek Smuda (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SF-WP (in Polish)
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Big name in Polish football, internationally best known as the Poland national manager when hosting Euro 2012. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose mutiple cn tags and Honours section needs more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਗੱਲਬਾਤ 14:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD/blurb: Alain Delon

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Article: Alain Delon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  French actor Alain Delon (pictured) dies at the age of 88 (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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I'm personally inclined for a blurb here. Name a French actor and he would be there. Brandmeistertalk 07:11, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those are not the criteria, and never have been. You are actively misleading other users by continuing to claim that they are. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb, legendary actor with storied career and varied international work, recipient of major awards like His name was long associated with standard, he defined what was a handsome male. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:25, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb: Despite being way too young to remember him properly, I should note he's one of the few actors we consider as vital, next to the likes of Sydney Poitier and Betty White (who did received the "blurb treatment", as well). Plus, he's been widely regarded as one of the main cinema icons of the last century, so the notability is definitely there. It's true, though, that the article still needs a bit of work before we can proceed, and I don't know if I'll be able to help myself... Oltrepier (talk) 14:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb: I wouldn't normally support a blurb for an actor but the Sydney Poitier and Betty White precedents argue in its favour. He was arguably among the three best known french actors abroad along with Catherine Deneuve and Gérard Depardieu and had a major following in Japan. The original sin was in accepting blurbs for actors in the first place Varoon2542 (talk) 15:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would rather educate myself about dead legendary artists, than read about the latest PDC World Darts Championship. Tradediatalk 16:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I won't be disagreeing with that Varoon2542 (talk) 19:33, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb - Per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please elaborate on that? I would very much like to hear you rationale for oppose because I really didn't see any rule-based rationales from other oppose voters, its mostly about opinions. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's how RD blurbs work, it's generally based on opinion. WP:ITNRDBLURB and all. Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The deaths of sufficiently notable people are notable, and that's why we have both RD and (occasionally) death blurbs. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, neutral on blurb there really needs to be more clear-cut/explicit criteria for what is appropriate to be blurbed, which is why I am staying neutral on the blurb. As far as I've seen, nobody has a good argument for why Willie Mays or Tony Bennett or Betty White's deaths were appropriate to be blurbed but Delon's death isn't, when the circumstances are more or less the same (old celebrity dies of poor health). Article quality is fine, except for the family section - one more statement needs to be cited, and the quality of the other sources is poor. For instance, geneanet is user-aggregated and thus shouldn't be used as a source of info. (To be honest I would just remove the family section entirely.) When those issues are fixed, it will be good to post as RD. Jaguarnik (talk) 21:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My argument is as it has always been that none of your examples deserved a blurb - if we're blurbing the death, the death (NOT the person) has to be notable as an event in itself - hence the serving political leader criterion This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is not what rules say. There has been nothing notable about deaths of Tony Bennet, Queen Elisabeth, Pele or Pope Benedict XVI. They were all blurbed though. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:56, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There needs to be a request for comment about this topic, because at this point it doesn't seem that there's a rationale for blurbing someone's death other than "We blurbed x so why not y". A consensus would be good. Jaguarnik (talk) 18:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • More than 15 paragraphs that lack a single reference, and lots of other unreferenced material. Stephen 22:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not Ready for RD for the usual reason. Neutral on a blurb if we can get the article up to scratch. He was one of the top actors in France, but the community has turned down giants in the field. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bibliography comment Alain Delon § Bibliography is not the usual list of works by the subject. It's an extensive listing about the subject. Disucssion at Talk:Alain Delon § Bibliography. Missing ISBNs too.—Bagumba (talk) 04:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment WILL EVERYONE STOP ATTACKING EACH OTHER PLEASE!! Thank you, anyways here’s a solution for now: put him in the RD we debate a little more for blurb. relax and stop attacking each other agressively Ion.want.uu (talk) 14:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Very influential actor, I have not heard about him before but he seems to be a very important figure in films. Still some problems needing to be fixed but once they’re fixed I reckon we blurb him. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 06:28, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lean oppose blurb Articles and discussions like this sometimes make me feel like I just intersected with a parallel universe or another planet. How could I, considering myself to be a reasonably well-informed individual, have missed being aware of someone who is apparently so prominent? It's nice to have Wikipedia to remind me that there is a world outside of my own country (the United States), and sometimes a global culture is not so global. We may be entirely ignorant of many of each others' celebrities, for example. Although my experience may not be representative of that of others, with one or two exceptions, I was not aware of Delon nor his films.

I believe global notability, at least within the English-speaking world, ought to be a prerequisite for inclusion as a blurb in the English language Wikipedia. Since that threshold is arbitrary, however, this forum provides a good test for determining global notability. I have no issue with entertainers being included if they are determined to have sufficient notability. As one test, one could compare him with others born in the same year. Among Delon's peers who were born in 1935, I believe Elvis Presley, Luciano Pavorotti, Julie Andrews and Woody Allen are some of the most notable entertainers who would reach that threshold. Despite some impressive achievements in French cinema, I don't believe Alain Delon passes the threshold of global notability in the English-speaking world for inclusion as a blurb.Ryan Reeder (talk) 07:14, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. This is Wikipedia in English, not Wikipedia about people who speak English. There is not, and never should be, any requirement that our subjects be especially famous in the English-speaking world rather than any other language sphere. Your own admitted ignorance of French cinema is a sign that you are being parochial, not that Alain Delon was not famous. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is why notability is pretty relative and depends on cultural context, and why one person's judgement isn't enough to establish global notability. As a French person myself, I see Alain Delon as a defining figure of French cinema and assumed he would be much more well-known internationally than he might actually be. On the other hand, I haven't heard as much about the achievements of Pavorotti or Andrews, and would have underestimated their notability compared to Delon's. This kind of notability depends a lot on the cultural sphere one lives in, which means hearing from editors with various perspectives is great to see whether someone is truly globally notable.
Like Genevieve said, I don't think notability within the English-speaking world should be a prerequisite rather than global notability, but either way, it seems like Delon might just not be reaching that threshold. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First, he passes threshold of global notability.
Second, we don't require English a person to be famous in English speaking world in order to qualify for a blurb, this not in the rules.
Third, Delon has 120 Wikipedia articles in different languages, Pavarotti has 95 articles, Julie Andrews has 84 articles, Woody Allen has 109 articles. He surpasses them on the metric of number of articles.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎BilboBeggins (talk • contribs) 12:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality for now. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb democracy manifest guy had considerably more press vs this dude, and he didn't even get a RD mention. Also, orange tagged, so oppose RD until the typical prominent actor dies citing concerns are fixed. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Apples and oranges. Some ordinary dude who came under spotlight after being arrested by Australian police vs an actor with a 70-year film career, culminated in multiple domestic and foreign awards. C'mon... Brandmeistertalk 16:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Democracy manifest guy was more recent hence more press. If Delon was in his peak today he would have plenty of press coverage. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 06:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality, several parts of the article have sourcing issues. Suonii180 (talk) 17:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality grounds, currently still has a big tag on the top. No comment in relation to blurb or RD but leaning against blurbing if it gets sorted. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb if every celebrity with an "influence" and "recognition by peers" section in their article is inherently notable enough to merit a blurb, then we should be auto-blurbing basically every major dead actor or singer. Instead, we gauge notability by coverage in the press and while there is some coverage, it does not rise beyond the standard level of obituary coverage expected of a celebrity. FlipandFlopped ツ 18:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Isn't it what exactly took place with Sydney Poitier and Betty White ?
    How is Betty White notable ? Noone actually knows her outside of the US
    For years, notability has been determined on one criteria, "who Wikipedia editors know" and that usually depends on geography and age
    I'm sure older Americans have heard of him
    We are pretending to be impartial when we've never been
    If Alain Delon, doesn't even get an RD by now, no french actor will ever be seen as deserving one Varoon2542 (talk) 19:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sydney Poitier was hugely influential figure not just for his skill as an actor but for his role in breaking color barriers in the film industry. Betty White was buoyed by a wave of fan supports. Honestly, she should not have been posted. It's worth noting that very famous actors are routinely rejected including Kirk Douglas and Olivia de Havilland, two giants from the golden age of Hollywood. The only issue keeping Delon from RD is the article's gnerally poor referencing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Worldwide, Poitier is not more influential than Delon. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stats As we have the usual impasse at ITN, it is instructive to see what our readers are choosing. We find that:
  1. Alain Delon was the top read article on Wikipedia yesterday with about double the readership of the closest competition – Alien: Romulus
  2. Most of the ITN blurb articles do not have significant readership -- they are at the 10K level which is effectively the baseline for ITN. The only exception is Paetongtarn Shinawatra who got about 80K but that's still an order of magnitude less than Delon.
So, it's apparent that ITN is quite out of touch with the general readership. Our readers really don't care what stale stuff we run and just vote with their feet.
Andrew🐉(talk) 22:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yet again, it must be stated that ITN does not consider readership numbers at all. We are not trying to optimize SEO hits or the like here. That's why the point of ITN is about featuring quality articles that are in the news (in line with all other sections of the main page) , not about being a news ticker simply to index hot news topics. — Masem (t) 23:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Masem: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 23:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't mean Masem's comment as it related to how ITN decisions are made isn't relevant. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why would anyone need to go to ANI about this? Y'all are weird. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe because this has been a consistent yet constant feature of AD on ITN/C, and of the multiple folks who have tried their best to remind him that no, ITN is not a news ticker. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:43, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still has a lot of citation needed tags, and 2 orange tags on the article. Natg 19 (talk) 05:40, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. Not remotely of the same stature as Thatcher or Mandela, the usual benchmarks for the kind of globally known figure that would be posted. Blurbs are not just for people who did well in life and very successful, they're for the deaths that make you stop in your tracks when you see them. Also some way off on quality, so seems unlikely it will even make RD at this point, but who knows.  — Amakuru (talk) 06:18, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Easily one of the most important actors of the 20th century. If Delon doesn't get a blurb then there's little hope for any non-hollywood actors getting a blurb. Flyingfishee (talk) 03:52, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Belmondo did. It's a moot point with the the outstanding page quality concerns. —Bagumba (talk) 15:35, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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