Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 December 23

Guide to deletion

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Tum, Ethiopia

Tum, Ethiopia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Withdraw nomination - see comment below. My searches turned up nothing to support the subject's notability. The only claim one could make re notability is Tum Airport which already has its own article. This article has only just been created, so I would usually draftify, but this has already been done once, and an editor has moved it back, thereby asserting that the page belongs in mainspace. Hence my nomination for deletion. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 00:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethiopia-related deletion discussions. SunloungerFrog (talk) 00:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep WP:GEOLAND is one of our most permissive notability guidelines. This is difficult to search for in English - the only results I was able to find that were not database entries were tour groups which had planned a night to be spent there, lots of Getty images taken in or near there, or quasi-reliable sites like [1]. However it is easily verified on maps and satellite images especially due to the airport. It's to be expected since it's a remote part of the world, but it's clearly a town. What would be really helpful is if someone could provide the local spelling to be able to search for additional results. SportingFlyer T·C 01:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep (and eventually draftify), per reasons above. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 04:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete GEOLAND requires some actual proof and not hand waving. Also see WP:DEL-REASON #7, if no references can be found for the article it should not exist. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

• '''Keep"': Given to the reasons raised by @SportingFlyer

Esti92 (talk) 18:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Third ever edit of Esti92. Geschichte (talk) 20:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• comment WP:GEOLAND remains a pathetically low standard, as it often enough is interpreted to mean that we have to write out an article for the name of a dot on a map, but I would be grudgingly willing to keep some article here if we could cite that the obvious village seen in maps and aerials were actually named "Tum". Mangoe (talk) 11:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I had not read WP:GEOLAND before, but have now. It still seems incredible to retain this recently-created article in mainspace as it stands, with not a reference in sight. The Menit tribes one that you noted, SportingFlyer, looks pretty thin to my eyes too. I would happily agree to draftify to allow the contributing editor to reference more fully, or maybe a redirect with possibilities to Tum Airport. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 14:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  It is a very bad article, the topic is just clearly eligible for a mainspace page. SportingFlyer T·C 23:43, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  It might be eligible, but it's not in a fit state to have in mainspace right now, hence my alternative to deletion suggestion to draftify it so that it can be brought up to scratch. Which I'd've done anyway had it not already been explicitly moved from mainspace to draft and back into mainspace. Having looked into it a bit more, I came across this source, an official gov.et report on the census of 2007, which refers to a town (not village) called Tumi, that does have a recorded population. Maybe this is the proper name of the location, not Tum. I wonder if the creating editor A editor from mars might be able to weigh in here. SunloungerFrog (talk) 00:15, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  But we don't need an alternative to deletion here, we can already verify it and therefore it's eligible to be in mainspace and can be improved there. I've also found [2] to help verify it. SportingFlyer T·C 00:29, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  For the record, I've reviewed the census - Tumi really does look like Tum as it is in the correct "area" of the census for that part of Ethiopia, but I'm not sure why it is Tumi and not Tum. As I've referenced earlier, I'm not sure if that is a romanisation error. SportingFlyer T·C 00:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  But what exactly are we verifying? The existence of a village, or maybe a town, possibly called Tum somewhere in SW Ethiopia? The article is currently so vague as to be practically useless if not downright misleading. That's why it should be in draftspace right now. SunloungerFrog (talk) 00:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  Yes. There's clearly a town which passes WP:GEOLAND in southwest Ethiopia, commonly named Tum in English sources. I've added a source. See also mentions in [3] [4] [5]. SportingFlyer T·C 17:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  Comment - That is a great source you added - thank you SportingFlyer. I withdraw my nomination for deletion. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 17:54, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.