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In the "Economy" section France is referred to as the "seventh largest economy" in the world in 2005 and as belonging to the G8 group of countries. I believe this is misleading. In nominal terms France's GDP ranks as 6th in the world behind the US, Japan, Germany, China, and UK (in that order). India's Nominal GDP ranking is far below that of France (less than half), India is not part of the G8 and India is still a (albeit rapidly) developing country. The time will come when India's economy will rightfully by included in the list but that time has not come yet.
In the "Economy" section France is referred to as the "seventh largest economy" in the world in 2005 and as belonging to the G8 group of countries. I believe this is misleading. In nominal terms France's GDP ranks as 6th in the world behind the US, Japan, Germany, China, and UK (in that order). India's Nominal GDP ranking is far below that of France (less than half), India is not part of the G8 and India is still a (albeit rapidly) developing country. The time will come when India's economy will rightfully by included in the list but that time has not come yet.




'''Can an English-speaking person please edit this article? This article is a disgrace. I would, but I don't have time, please edit it for grammatical errors....many parts don't even make sense.'''

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  1. ^ Swedish: Sverige [ˈsvæ̌rjɛ] ⓘ; Finnish: Ruotsi; Meänkieli: Ruotti; Northern Sami: Ruoŧŧa; Lule Sami: Svierik; Pite Sami: Sverji; Ume Sami: Sverje; Southern Sami: Sveerje or Svöörje; Yiddish: שוועדן, romanized: Shvedn; Scandoromani: Svedikko; Kalo Finnish Romani: Sveittiko.
  2. ^ Swedish: Konungariket Sverige [ˈkôːnɵŋaˌriːkɛt ˈsvæ̌rjɛ] ⓘ

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Overseas Departments

I have changed the wording in several articles. I hope that someone with expert knowledge will respond to this comment. I am trying to discover if there is a significant difference under the French constitution and law between metropolitan and overseas departments. I clear unambiguous statement.

Under international law, and the United States constitution, Alaska, and Hawaii, are indistinguishable from the 48 contiguous states. Hawaii is over 3000 km from the rest of the United States but is just as much a part of the country as is Long Island which lies just 4 km from the mainland.

However these articles—France and French overseas departments—leave room for confusion. I found this "Overseas departments—Martinique, Guadeloupe, Réunion, and French Guiana—have the same political status as metropolitan departments" statement in the article on , Metropolitan France.

Going with that I edited the other two articles. I am hoping that if I am wrong someone will correct these. But this ambiguity has been bothering me for months so I took action today.

Nwbeeson 16:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

French overseas departments have no difference with metropolitan departements. The government representative is also a prefect named by the prime minister, and citizen of overseas departements have elected representatives in both chambers of the French parliament, they also have the same duties and rights as any other French citizen. So yes, French overseas departments are indistinguishable from other French departements, although not part of Europe, they are also part of EU. This is unlike other overseas territorial collectivities (i.e. French Polynesia, New Caledonia, Wallis and Futuna, ...) where the French president is the head of state, but they have their own assembly and only defense, diplomatic representation and to some extent justice are shared with metropolitan France. Blastwizard 18:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Differences are tiny, but do exist : article 73 of the French Constitution is specifically covering the status of overseas departments. The specificities : statutes and regulations « may be adapted in the light of the specific characteristics and constraints of those units » overseas ; « units to which this article applies may be empowered by statute to determine themselves the rules applicable in their territory in a limited number of matters » (this second disposition does not apply to Réunion, which can be considered as "more" metropolitan than the three American overseas departments. Hence it is pefectly reasonable to distinguish metropolitan departments and overseas departments. French Tourist 20:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fix redundancy

Will someone with the ability to edit this article please fix this:

"The football team is regarded as one of the most skillful teams in the world with one FIFA World Cup victory in 1998, one FIFA World Cup second place in 2006, and two European Championships in 1984 and 2000. They were also placed 2nd in the recent 2006 football world cup held in Germany."

It mentions them coming runners-up in the 2006 FIFA World Cup twice; the second mention really isn't necessary. --KatzMotel 09:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Redundancy removed. (That is redundant.)
Nwbeeson 16:05, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

audio of country name plz

i tried looking up the individual IPA sounds but combining them hurt my head, can a francophone record his/herself saying the country's name and tack that onto the article? tia! 130.85.249.236 05:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


There is a link to the Encyclopedia Brittanica's entry on France. This seems unnecessary since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, also, and that it is possible that Britannica is trying to get people to switch to their encyclopedia as a primary point of reference. Cool BlueLight my Fire! 21:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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French Polynesia

Why is there such a big blue blob to represent French Polynesia on the 'Territory of the French Republic in the world' map?(80.189.121.40 00:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Because of the EEZ. Rama 06:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So why only French Polynesia? Surely you have to show all French territory with their the EEZ or none.(80.189.121.40 18:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]
They are shown. But a 370-km distance does not show very much on a map at this scale. Rama 08:43, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I know, France's Antarctic territory is merely a claim, not internationally recognised.Soviet Canuckistan 14:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quality

I'm disappointed, Wikipedia, that France isn't of high enough quality to be a featured article. It's embarrassing. Let's get to work! 204.186.115.14 13:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

President

The President line in the left column isn't valid anymore. Since May 6th 2007, the President of French Rebublic is Nicolas Sarkozy. And it will take some time to know who will eventually be Prime Minister. Marc Navatier 09:52, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, he will become the new president on 16 May. Until then Jacques Chirac is still the president. Med 09:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's right, I had forgotten.Marc Navatier 10:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Productivity

I don't think is true: "Despite figures showing a higher productivity per hour worked than in the US..." Is there a source for this? If not, it should be removed. Headraine 03:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Look at the following table List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita_per_hour, there are some detailed publishing by the OECD but I don't think these are freely available. It is not that surprising when considering the high level of unemployment and short working hours in France in regards to its GDP. Blastwizard 08:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh ok, the difference is really slight. I guess that needs to be mentioned. Headraine 15:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Prime Minister

Fillon is not yet Prime Minister, let's not jump the gun people. JCO312 14:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

D'accord. --LtWinters 02:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Actually, François Fillon is the Prime Minister, but the general election will take place this Sunday, and soon we will know if he will keep his place or not.


Anyway you seem to be more up to date than encarta : http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/search.aspx?q=prime+minister+france

Encarta Answers France: Prime Minister: Dominique de Villepin 2005- | More about France

Not updated for two years :/ ...

Algeria & North Africa

We should add this section? All the French massacres and enslavement of North African people deserves that I suppose.

These people were never enslaved. Much as the rest of the Arab world and/or 3rd world, they were colonized.

Compared to the Spanish and England Empires? France did less 'damage' compared to them, yet England sugarcoat it's own history to make it's own history 'positive' and spreading democracy brings 'peace'. Just look at Iraq very peaceful ;) Phu2734 07:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gentlemen, wikipedia is not about bashing each other and counting how many skeletons the other has in his closet, it is about facts and neutral point of view. As far I am concerned, I don't think this section should go in the France article, I don't think there are sections in other countries articles listing all their wrongdoings either. On the other hand, a balanced article on colonialism relating specific facts about exactions by all the different colonial empires (Portugal, Spain, Belgium, France, United Kingdom, Netherlands, Italy, Ottoman Empire, Germany, ...) belongs to wikipedia. Also, why only Algeria and North Africa? After all, France had colonies in other parts of the world (there are well documented exactions by France in other of its colonies such as Madagascar and Indochina); this looks like a bias from the start. Not a surprise, the suggestion for this section comes from an anonymous contributor whose IP address is in Turkey, this seem to be a recurrent theme amongst some contributors originating from this country. Blastwizard 09:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • No one should care about who did the most or less damages. It's a tragedy anyway. The point is this is supposed to describe France and summarise a bit it's background. Slavery does not make a strong case enough to enter the "history" section here, if we do we'll start having a huge article with neocons claiming for French policy in mideast to be included, Blairist to ask for Gaullism to be described, Turkish to mention the French stance on Armenian Genocide and so on.... Matthieu 09:58, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Flag

Somebody changed the flag to Gaby tate rocks this world and blocked it.

It has now been fixed. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 01:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Architecture

In the paragraph describing the Baroque Architecture I suggest to be introduced a phrase about the French gardens (as the ones developed by Le Nôtre #REDIRECT [[1]]). Even if this is landscape architecture, the main aim was to change and integrate the environment into the buildings by using geometrical patterns to create optical illusions. This is probably the most original French contribution to the architecture. Opinions? BdB-18 15:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why not, unfortunately I'm not so good with landscape architecture. Matthieu 13:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Government

The section on government need to mention that France has a bicameral judical branch (Conseil d'État and Constitutional Council). The two highest courts judge on different section of Constitutionality, decree for the former, law for the later life.

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"enfant unique" policy pioneer

it should be pointed somewhere that the natality control used by france earned it the 1870 defeat against the outnumbering prussian. the demography policy changed france situation from the most populated european country to a medium population country. the shift was completed with germany becoming the new number one (82 million > 64 million). and it lasts today. Cliché Online 18:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There was never natality control or one-child policy in France. I don't know where you got that idea from. Besides, the gap between France and Germany has been narrowing over the past 60 years. In 1950, Germany (in its current borders) had 68,377,000 inhabitants whereas metropolitan France had only 41,624,500, which means that Germany had 64% more inhabitants than metropolitan France. In 2007, according to official estimates, Germany has 82,310,000 inhabitants whereas metropolitan France has 61,538,322, which means that Germany has now only 34% more inhabitants than France. By 2050, according to official population projections, metropolitan France should have slightly more than 70 million inhabitants whereas Germany should have slightly less than 70 million inhabitants, so France will be the most populated country in western Europe again (it was already the most populated before 1866). Godefroy 12:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New European vector maps

You're invite to discuss a new series of vector maps to replace those currently used in Country infoboxes: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries#New European vector maps. Thanks/wangi 12:59, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

What's wrong with the footnote in the infobox? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 05:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gallery?

I remember it had been removed and now someone else posted it again. I don't remember who removed it but I would tend to agree on him that it's not required here and it making the page too heavy... and it's an encyclopedia, a source of information, not a picture gallery isn't it? I'm considering removing it. While I'm at it I added the comics part, if someone want to proofread it. Someone should do French cinema in the French culture part but I'm too lazy (and it would be too large anyway for me) to do it alone. Matthieu 12:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia and ranking

Elements in these sections should be moved into relevant subsections IMO. I don't think we should keep these sections as such. Matthieu 13:52, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Public health

The text, "As of 2003, there are approximately 120,000 inhabitants of France who are living with AIDS [3]" misstates information at its source. It should say, "who are living with HIV/AIDS" or it could accurately read “who are living with HIV.” All persons with AIDS have HIV, but the reverse is not true, so the way the text now reads is significantly inaccurate. Drl1320 17:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The last UNAIDS report in 2006 (http://data.unaids.org/pub/GlobalReport/2006/2006_GR_ANN2_en.pdf) states that 130,000 "people are living with HIV". Maybe the data should be updated. Apart of this, you are totally right, so the sentence should indeed be changed. Bjam 1079 17:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It has been suggested that the french territory map be replaced with this one: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Outre-mer_en2.png and I think it is a sound move as Antartica, as someone pointed out, was internationalized by the Washington Treaty. Also, many other countries claim antartica (Argentina) but their claimed territory is not on their maps in wikipedia as claimed territory isn't territory. Zulu, King Of The Dwarf People 15:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Demography

the articles says: "With an estimated population of 64 million people, France is the 23rd most populous country in the world. France's largest cities are Paris, Marseille, Lyon, Toulouse, Nice, and Nantes." this is not true, the city of "Lilles" is the fourth biggest city of france, far biggest than Toulouse, Nice and Nantes. a french guy.

Lille metroarea is bigger than Nantes' and Nice's but Toulouse's now no4 (we're realistic here and aren't including Belgium and even parts of Germany in Lille metro of course). Matthieu 08:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Upset about the seventh economy in the world in 2005 reference

In the "Economy" section France is referred to as the "seventh largest economy" in the world in 2005 and as belonging to the G8 group of countries. I believe this is misleading. In nominal terms France's GDP ranks as 6th in the world behind the US, Japan, Germany, China, and UK (in that order). India's Nominal GDP ranking is far below that of France (less than half), India is not part of the G8 and India is still a (albeit rapidly) developing country. The time will come when India's economy will rightfully by included in the list but that time has not come yet.



Can an English-speaking person please edit this article? This article is a disgrace. I would, but I don't have time, please edit it for grammatical errors....many parts don't even make sense.

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