Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 9

January 9

Category:Legal families of Australia

• Propose renaming Category:Legal families of Australia to Category:Jurisprudential families and also upmerge all contents to Category:Australian families

Nominator's rationale: This is an odd triple intersection without a "Legal families" parent. But "Legal families" is also problematic, since a Legal family is a grouping of laws. I picked this title for a rename but would be open to other ideas. Mike Selinker (talk) 22:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, WaggersTALK 15:46, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Model for Still Lifestyle

• Propose deleting Category:Model for Still Lifestyle (0)

Nominator's rationale: The category is blank. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 15:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:1900 in women's golf

• Propose deleting Category:1900 in women's golf (1)
• Propose deleting Category:1900s in women's golf (1)

Nominator's rationale: Only 1 article in 1900. The article is already in Category:Golf at the 1900 Summer Olympics which is under Category:1900 in golf and is in Category:Women's events at the 1900 Summer Olympics which is under Category:1900 in women's sport. Thus, no merging is necessary. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:26, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:1860 in golf

• Propose merging Category:1860 in golf (1) to Category:1860s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1861 in golf (1) to Category:1860s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1862 in golf (1) to Category:1860s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1863 in golf (1) to Category:1860s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1864 in golf (1) to Category:1860s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1865 in golf (1) to Category:1860s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1866 in golf (1) to Category:1860s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1867 in golf (1) to Category:1860s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1868 in golf (1) to Category:1860s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1869 in golf (1) to Category:1860s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1870 in golf (1) to Category:1870s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1872 in golf (1) to Category:1870s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1873 in golf (1) to Category:1870s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1874 in golf (1) to Category:1870s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1875 in golf (1) to Category:1870s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1876 in golf (1) to Category:1870s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1877 in golf (1) to Category:1870s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1878 in golf (1) to Category:1870s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1879 in golf (1) to Category:1870s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1880 in golf (1) to Category:1880s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1881 in golf (1) to Category:1880s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1882 in golf (1) to Category:1880s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1883 in golf (1) to Category:1880s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1884 in golf (1) to Category:1880s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1885 in golf (1) to Category:1880s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1886 in golf (1) to Category:1880s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1887 in golf (1) to Category:1880s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1888 in golf (1) to Category:1880s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1889 in golf (1) to Category:1880s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1890 in golf (1) to Category:1890s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1891 in golf (1) to Category:1890s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1892 in golf (2) to Category:1890s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1893 in golf (1) to Category:1890s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1894 in golf (1) to Category:1890s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1895 in golf (2) to Category:1890s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1896 in golf (2) to Category:1890s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1897 in golf (2) to Category:1890s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1898 in golf (2) to Category:1890s in golf
• Propose merging Category:1899 in golf (2) to Category:1890s in golf

Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 golf events each year in the 1860s-1890s. Merge up to the decade-level. The articles are already in the Category:YEAR in sports tree. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Palestine

• Propose renaming Category:State of Palestine to Category:Palestine

Nominator's rationale: And all sub-categories. Opposed speedy. The country article is now at Palestine as a result of this Requested Moved, the categories for the country should follow. Unfortunately during the years when the Palestine namespace was occupied by a disambiguation page some category disambiguations were put in and this has led to what should be a straightforward move being procedurally objected to. The category names should match the main article for a country. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Copy of speedy discussion

Category:State of Palestine to Category:Palestine (over disambiguation) and subcategories – C2D per Palestine following the move of the country article at this RM. Note that several of the targets are filled by disambiguation pages from when Palestine was occupied by what is now at Palestine (disambiguation). Timrollpickering (talk) 23:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC) This should probably go to full discussion. Per WP:C2D: it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator. –Aidan721 (talk) 02:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC) Oppose speedy per above. Regards, Armbrust The Homunculus 16:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Data visualization and Category:Information visualization

• Propose merging Category:Data visualization (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Data and information visualization
• Propose merging Category:Information visualization (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Data and information visualization
• Propose renaming Category:Data visualization software (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Data and information visualization software
• Propose renaming Category:Free data visualization software (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Free data and information visualization software
• Propose renaming Category:Information visualization experts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Data and information visualization experts

Nominator's rationale: Main articles were merged in 2022 into Data and information visualization. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:49, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Visualization (research)

• Propose renaming Category:Visualization (research) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Visualization research
• Propose renaming Category:Visualization (web) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Visualization of the Internet

Nominator's rationale: Misuse of disambiguator. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:38, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

On the other hand, Category:Visualization (research) is incoherent and should be deleted instead. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:2110s in film

• Propose deleting Category:2110s in film (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, isolated poorly populated category far in the future. Move article 100 Years (film) to Category:2110s works. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:2114 works

• Propose merging Category:2114 works to Category:2110s works

Nominator's rationale: merge, too far away in the future for this level of detail, there isn't even a Category:2114 nor is that needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Delete per outcome of Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_1#2100s_and_2110s. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Deaths from medical malpractice

• Propose deleting Category:Deaths from medical malpractice (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining/inaccurate in most cases. Most of these deaths are from poor medical care, e.g. James Garfield. But these aren't "malpractice" ^SMason_Garrison 06:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• If the category is kept, purge the biographies, limiting the category to "Death of" articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Role-playing games by genre or theme

• Propose renaming Category:Role-playing games by genre or theme to Category:Role-playing games by topic

Nominator's rationale: See discussion/analysis at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Games#"Theme"_category_problem_started_by_Category:Games_by_genre_or_theme and related discussions just below this nomination. No prejduce for creation of Category:Role-playing games by genre. Relevant wikidata entry: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8672917 (only en wiki has "or"). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Board games by genre or theme

• Propose renaming Category:Board games by genre or theme to Category:Board games by topic

Nominator's rationale: See discussion/analysis at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Games#"Theme"_category_problem_started_by_Category:Games_by_genre_or_theme and related discussions just below this nomination. No prejduce for creation of Category:Board games by genre. Relevant wikidata entry: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8303517 (only en wiki has "or"). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:10, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Games by genre or theme

• Propose renaming Category:Games by genre or theme to Category:Games by topic

Nominator's rationale: Longer analysis can be found at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Games#"Theme"_category_problem_started_by_Category:Games_by_genre_or_theme. Short version is:

• There is no tree for Category:Themes. We have trees for Category:Genres and Category:Topics, so Category:Games by genre or topic would be a simple and uncontroversial fix. BUT
• "or" is bad in category names. Fortunately, in this tree structure it exists only in this and very few subcategories (Video games are already ok, with Category:Video games by genre and Category:Video games by theme (the latter needs to be renamed by topic, see discussion below). Looking at what we have inside this category, I think it is more of a topic then genre, so I propose renaming this to Category:Games by topic, with no prejudice to creating Category:Games by genre. Wikidata will need some cleaning, preferably after the split and creation of the genre category (the category nominated here is currently linked to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6154363 , which is mostly, but not uniformly, 'by genre'...). Only en wiki has 'or', time to clean up our mess. Note: the few subcategories will be nominated for renaming above - please scroll up. Two less controversial renames from theme->topic are listed conveniently below this nom. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Video games by theme

• Propose renaming Category:Video games by theme to Category:Video games by topic

Nominator's rationale: Longer analysis can be found at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Games#"Theme"_category_problem_started_by_Category:Games_by_genre_or_theme. See also related Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_4#Category:Novels_by_theme (conveniently relisted just below). This should be a reasonably uncontroversial tweak from inexisting Category:Themes tree to existing Category:Topics tree. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@HouseBlaster Could you append to this one two child subcategories for renaming:

• Category:Lists of video games by theme -> Category:Lists of video games by topic and
• Category:Massively multiplayer online role-playing games by theme -> Category:Massively multiplayer online role-playing games by topic

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:12, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

 Done HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:15, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Novels by theme

• Propose merging Category:Novels by theme to Category:Novels by topic

Nominator's rationale: See longer explanation at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Games#"Theme"_category_problem_started_by_Category:Games_by_genre_or_theme. This is the least controversial (if anything is). It is subcat to Category:Fiction books by topic, there is no Category:Themes or 'by themes' anywhere except in few instances I pointed out in the linked analysis; all themes should be rename to topics since we have a cat tree for topics, not themes. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

• PS. I did not notice the target already exists. Well, merge instead of renaming then, I guess. Duplicate concept. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Just delete, most subcategories are already in Category:Novels about interpersonal relationships which is a subcategory of Category:Novels by topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - I'm looking at the two category trees, and at Theme (narrative), and I'm wondering if perhaps we should be looking at a reverse merge. I agree that we don't need both trees. I think the prevailing term for these is theme, rather than topic. And maybe that will help remove the inaccurate usage of "x and genre" named categories as well. All that said, having Works with X themes opens up to really broad categories, because, using novels as an example, the "theme" could be be due to a mere sentence, a paragraph, a chapter, or throughout the book. I'm not sure how to best resolve that. The difficulty, of course is that we're at the whim of the author's free usage of whatever themes they may decide to toss into a work, regardless of whether it furthers the overall plot (or narrative structure), or not. It would be nice if we could standardize all of the subcats into Works about X. At least that makes it (sort of) clear that it's about the the entire work than merely parts of it. Anyone else have any thoughts on these? Maybe we can come up with a standard for going forward. - jc37 21:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Jc37 Are you suggesting we should rename everything in Category:Works by topic to Category:Works by theme? That would be much more work than what I suggested in the linked discussion (where I propose to rename the very few theme categories to topic categories). Might be best to discuss it there? I don't have a preference, to be honest, except I want to see standardized terminology, and it seems theme and topic mean the same thing here. But yes, I see your point that a work can have one topic but more than one theme, but is it really that clear? I am pretty sure many entities are categorized as having multiple themes. Ex. Wolfenstein 3D has cats related to 'Adolf Hitler', 'Experimental medical treatments', 'WW2' and 'Nazi Germany'. Those all seem like topics/themes to me (although the category trees are somewhat convoluted...). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  Comment, I am ok with either topic or theme, it's more important that the subcategories are consistently called "about". Marcocapelle (talk) 10:13, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not sure whether topic or theme is better, both have their plusses and minuses. So for now, I'll agree with the above that that's probably a bigger discussion, and so, for now, supporting these heading to the already-existing topic tree. And yes, definitely, the subcats should be standardized to "Works about X" - so in this case, "Novels about X". - jc37 23:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  Do you mean Category:Novels with bisexual themes, Category:Novels with gay themes, Category:Novels with lesbian themes, Category:Novels with transgender themes? I've moved them to Category:Novels about sexuality, which seems like the obvious parent cat they should be. Not sure how to reword them to be 'about', since 'novels about gays' sounds less than ideal (I am not a native speaker but...). Maybe this should be reported to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sexology and sexuality or such? (I'll do it now) _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Marcocapelle Forgot the ping _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:52, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

  PS. I missed your note about Category:Novels about interpersonal relationships. Probably the four above should be added there as well if they are not present. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Clear consensus for a change; though a reminder that subcategories are currently outside the scope of this discussion. (If you want to discuss them, please tag 'em.) Should the change be in the form of deleting or merging?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:51, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

@HouseBlaster I think we want to merge them. As for subcategories, I am not sure how to tag them properly - could you do it? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Which categories do you want me to tag? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@HouseBlaster I think the four by theme that I just named above, in response to Marco. But note I am not sure how to rename these four. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:03, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to tag the subcategories
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@Piotrus:  Done HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Winners of Eurovision Young Musicians

• Propose renaming Category:Winners of Eurovision Young Musicians to Category:Eurovision Young Musicians winners

Nominator's rationale: Consistency with related categories (e.g. Category:Eurovision Song Contest winners, Category:Junior Eurovision Song Contest winners, Category:Melodifestivalen winners) Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Marcocapelle: this is not a deletion nomination. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 02:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep: See comment below D4NT3023 D4NT3023 (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• @D4NT3023: This is not a deletion nomination, this is a renaming nomination. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Rename. I see that there's a whole bunch more such subcategories of Category:Music competition winners that need renaming, by the way. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 02:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
• Keep/Neutral on Name Clicking through these articles, I don't think most of these people would even be notable enough for a Wikipedia article without winning this. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I realized that if I relisted the associated contestants category, then this one should also be relisted.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Diplomatic missions in Santiago, Chile

• Propose merging Category:Diplomatic missions in Santiago, Chile to Category:Diplomatic missions in Chile

Nominator's rationale: only 1 entry. Also propose merging with Category:Buildings and structures in Santiago, Chile LibStar (talk) 01:37, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Dual merge per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:41, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)