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The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup Sports! 19:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John Flowers

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NN. Bio extensively edited by its own subject. Subject isn't notable in any of his fields (computer security, literature, or film). Secondary sources for article fall into two categories: a long newsweekly article claiming the subject is a fraud, and superficial trade press hits. What little there is to be said about the subject cannot be written NPOV and within bio guidelines. What's there now is highly misleading. Tqbf 03:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

keepThere are multiple published articles about him that are quite large and widely distributed. Even if he is only known for fruad it is enough. The rest of it has to be weeded out.--Dacium 04:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(Edited) rebuttal: the only WP:N-qualified source cited by the page can't be represented due to WP:BLP --- it slams the subject. Trade press is NN: it's not independent of the subject (based on press hits). As from [Uncle_G] --- Wikipedia is not a business directory.
This seems to be only your opinion. The article does not slam the subject. It questions his stories. The articles his method of making money. Where are the lies in it? There are none. NPOV doesn't mean only kind things.--Dacium 23:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I'm being unclear. I agree with the article; I don't dispute it. But (a) that article is the subject's PRIMARY source of notability, (b) it's a profoundly unfavorable article, (c) the subject disputes the article and its contents, which disputes are hard to resolve because of WP:BLP. 69.17.73.234 05:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
subject quite clearly passes WP:BIO "The person has been the subject of published1 secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." There are 3 very long articles dedicated just to him.--Dacium 23:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • note "search engine lowdown", the second biggest secondary source in the article, fails the WP:N general notability guideline --- it's not independent, but rather a straight interview with the subject by a webzine that is itself not notable enough to have a wikipedia entry. Tqbf 05:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Problematically, the subject is not a "fraud", just prone to whoppers, such as allegedly fake degrees. His startups, however, are real, and Kozoru is mildly notable even if it went nowhere. Some of that just goes with the territory, e.g. Steve Jobs's reality distortion field, except that Jobs is wildly successful and Flowers is not. If WP:BLP means it's impossible to have an article, that's one thing, but no article is a drastic solution for an WP:NPOV problem. --Dhartung | Talk 04:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Point taken re drastic measures. I considered that before I nominated the page. Kozoru no longer exists; it can count itself among thousands of tech startupts to have obtained only a first round of funding, no significant traction, a few superficial press hits, and an unfortunate demise. See this news brief: 3MM (a small amount) from a no-name fund, company liquidated pre-revenue. Is there value in trying to document this nn company, esp. in a bio page for an nn person hotly contested (and edited) by that person?Tqbf 04:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Looks like just a guy to me. Media mentions of fraud are news - Wikipedia is not a newspaper. MarkBul 05:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Looks like a vanity-bio to me. Notorious maybe, but notable? No. --WebHamster 05:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep - There's a lot of legit stuff in here, and I checked out the movie he's producing and it's real and has real actors in it, even if they aren't major stars. The guestion seems to be whether moderate notability/notoriety in a number of areas adds up to sufficient notability overall. IMO it probably does in this case. As for not 'asserting' the significance of the subject, my suspicion is that the author - who is presumably connected with the subject - thought it was obvious, and it kind of is. --Hanging Jack 18:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • rebut: WP:NOTFILM. The film hasn't received significant coverage. It hasn't been released. It is based on a self-published (Xlibris) novel written by the filmmaker. It is unlikely to obtain national distribution, because it is a low-budget local film with an NN cast. It is in no other way historically or academically notable. Thousands of similarly ambitious/successful film projects do not find themselves in the encyclopedia. Perhaps, if the film is the core argument for notability, a new article could be created describing it, instead of John Flowers. 204.152.235.217 22:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete The reason to keep would be if he's considered an expert in his field, but I dont feel like that's the case from looking at the article Corpx 00:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • He's not. It's easy to measure: look at Scholar or Citeseer. He has no cites, (I guess I concede that he doesn't claim to be a scholar) ... just patents and patent apps (none of his patents have been enforced; they prove only that he has hired an IP lawyer at some point).Tqbf 23:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
comment as he is a practical engineer, not an academic, neither GS or Citeseer is necessarily relevant as a test. DGG (talk) 06:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
it's tricky in security (my field). There's no WP:SECURITYNOTABILITY, but if there was, tests would include (1) academic cites (many of us have them), (2) authorship of notable security tools or products, or (3) discovery of notable security vulnerabilities. I'll assert Flowers would fail all of these tests. (1) He's cited nowhere. (2) His security company, Hiverworld, has faded into obscurity. (3) From what I can tell, he's discovered no vulnerabilities. Agreed preemptively that he's not "just" a security person, though. Tqbf 18:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hiverworld did not "fade into obscurity. It changed its name, brand, received considerable funding, re-organized with a different management company and currently exists as nCircle using the same core technology developed at Hiverworld and covered by the patents.--P Todd 18:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
rebut: (a) the relationship between Hiverworld and nCircle's success is highly debatable, (b) the "founder of nCircle" claim on this page is misleading (nCircle is a different company), (c) being the founder of a middle-tier security company doesn't confer WP:N notability; there are hundreds of these people, an ever-changing roster, all of whom derive "notability" only from non-independent secondary sources based entirely on press releases. Request, peripheral to the argument: cite a source that argues nCircle's product line, say, since 2003, is based on "core technology" from John Flowers. Central argument: the difference between John Flowers and some random founding CTO of some random foundering software company is that John Flowers seems to have lied about a bunch of stuff and got caught. What's he doing here?Tqbf 21:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy deleted as a repost. Still the same speculation that was deleted the first two times. Resolute 03:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Still Cassie

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The article consists entirely of unreferenced speculation about an album that is supposed to come out sometime in 2008 (according to Cassie, although a Google source says Sept. 18th, '07), but it seems they're not even sure what record label it'll be under yet. Recommend deletion under WP:CRYSTAL. Contested Prod. Hersfold (t/a/c) 02:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete --Haemo 01:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of guest stars on The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour

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As with List of guests on the Ellen Degeneres Show and List of guests on The Dick Cavett Show, it's pure listcruft. An indiscriminate list of variety show guest stars. The list is not notable in and of itself, has no sources, and is unlikely to ever be accurately maintained. Realkyhick 02:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete --Haemo 01:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of guests on The Dick Cavett Show

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As with List of guests on the Ellen Degeneres Show, it's pure listcruft. An indiscriminate list of talk show guests. The list is not notable in and of itself, has no sources, and is unlikely to ever be accurately maintained. Realkyhick 02:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup Sports! 19:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MediaZone.com

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Delete spammy article about a web sports service - was originally tagged speedy for copyvio, tags removed pending permission being received, don't know whether it was, but this website in not notable Alexa rank of 14,232. Carlossuarez46 02:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Jaranda wat's sup Sports! 19:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sociolinguistics research in India

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The article has negligible content, and the subject matter would seem to belong as a section in Sociolinguistics or Languages of India. Tamfang 17:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete per Corpx. The external links should support the content of the article, not the other way round. Shalom Hello 03:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for long enough to attempt cleanup. This is an absolutely appalling and useless article as it is -- but it's a topic deserving of an article. A very quick Google Scholar search finds book reviews for "Explorations in Indian Sociolinguistics", Rajendra Singh, Probal Dasgupta and Jayant K. Lele, New Delhi and London: Sage, 1995. There are bound to be plenty of other reliable sources out there, but it will take time to gather them and create a worthwhile article from them. --Zeborah 09:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete unless there is something particularly important going on - in which case the article should be totally rewritten (see last note above). Most large nations - especially multilingual ones - have people doing sociolinguistics research. What is notable about that? John Hill 11:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment - 'notable' in a Wikipedia context doesn't mean 'unusual' or 'unique'; it means it's something that has been written about by reliable sources. I've gathered a quick hodgepodge of sources on the article talk page, not all of which are perfectly on topic but whose existence does show that this topic has been written about by numerous scholars, hence is 'notable' in Wikipedia's sense of the word. Of course asking what's unusual about the situation in India is a fair question too: the answer to that is that it's a *really* multilingual country, more so than any other country I'm aware of except perhaps China (and because of the common written system, not to mention political situation, in China the situation there is quite different). Anyway, I'll be at the library this morning and hopefully will be able to get at least a decent stub started over the weekend. --Zeborah 19:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete unless expanded. The article is very short, and doesn't emphasize why the topic deserves a separate page (in fact, it states "but only a few have concentrated on the sociolinguistic situation of India"). Keep after rewrite by Zeborah. Great work. utcursch | talk 10:26, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, empty. Kappa 21:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC) Thanks for the expansion Zeborah. Kappa 08:54, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Wow, an entire article about the fact that somebody is doing research on something. I wonder what the "H" stands for in PHD? Mandsford 22:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as empty, unless someone starts the potential expansion. The talk page has much more significant information than the article, and will hopefully be preserved in user space. Abecedare 22:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I've just added several sections to the page (complete with references). My head now aches mightily. :-) It could still do with work because I haven't tidied any of the stuff that was already there, but it should be enough to go on with now. --Zeborah 09:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MastCell Talk 22:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Guayaquil Marathon

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Tagged as A1, but has plenty of context. Is this worth keeping? Feels like it to me. Daniel Case 01:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete all ɑʀкʏɑɴ 19:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2000s music groups

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This article is redundant with the Category:2000s music groups. I am also nominating the following related pages because they all fail in the same way as being redundant with their respective categories of the same name:

1990s music groups (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1980s music groups (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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1960s music groups (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

There is no need to merge the information on the page. The categorization of each group's article will suffice. Keeping this list separately introduces all kinds of problems and should be considered Listcruft. Maher-shalal-hashbaz 01:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Singularity 02:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chad Eby

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Tagged as speedy but does make an assertion of notability. Does it carry the day? Daniel Case 01:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The CD release. Daniel Case 01:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Releasing a CD is not notable. Anyone with money and the inclination can release a CD. As far as WP:MUSIC goes, the criterion for notability through releases is two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels. Precious Roy 01:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK. I thought it was still down at one. Daniel Case 02:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's been "two or more" since the very first edit to WP:MUSIC, although I don't know if there was a precursor page with a less stringent guideline. --Dhartung | Talk 04:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I get more than that under my real name and I'm certainly not notable. Does this mean I can get a WP article now?--WebHamster 06:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
good point, I figured that "Eby" is an odd last name, but since the consensus looks like a delete, I'll keep my weak keep for the time being.Mbisanz 06:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Mackensen (talk) 23:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Latino Fan Club

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No sources. A google news archive search for "Latino Fan Club" comes up with no relevant results. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability for relevant policies. Chick Bowen 01:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Singularity 02:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wired New York

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Website which does not meet the notability criteria of WP:WEB. The external links to the claimed number of members are to the cite itself, not a reliable source. Most of the article is about a member of the website who died tragically, in circumstances unrelated to the website. Exteranl links in this section are to the sites forums. Savidan 01:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedily deleted, per WP:CSD#A7. Non-admin closure. --Boricuaeddie 02:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Naked Ape (band)

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Non-notable band (WP:MUSIC). Only claim to notability is an unreferenced claim that they are "famous" for using zombies in their music videos. Savidan 00:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. CitiCat ♫ 18:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brownies (Fablehaven)

Brownies (Fablehaven) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)

Non-notable race from a series of fantasy novels. No independent coverage. Sopoforic 00:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 04:19, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cheka (artist)

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Does not reference any sources or make a claim rising to the level of a WP:MUSIC notability criteria. Savidan 00:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - Ordinarily I would have said that he just scrapes into meeting WP:MUSIC with the 2 album releases, but on closer inspection that first one isn't his. I'm not sure whether it's a compilation and he has a track or two on there or that he's just telling porkies, but either way it can be discounted from the equation. Not notable, off to MySpace with him.--WebHamster 06:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete under WP:SNOW. -Royalguard11(T·R!) 19:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Canadian celebrities by hometown

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Not sure of the purpose of this list. Grouping people by home town seems very indiscriminate, and there is no explanation at all of what qualifies one as a "celebrity", or what qualifies a place as one's hometown. <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Lupin/navpop.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css&dontcountme=s"> Some hockey players are listed, but not most, etc. In fact, Steve Yzerman is listed twice. Some bands are listed, some not. Unmaintainable list, no objective inclusion criteria, trivial intersection by location, unreferenced. Resolute 00:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Carlossuarez46 04:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kansas Equality Coalition

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Too local in scope for inclusion per WP:ORG New England Review Me!/Go Red Sox! 00:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. The article would benefit from some of the references cited in the AfD. Tyrenius 02:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MassEquality

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Too local in scope for inclusion per WP:ORG New England Review Me!/Go Red Sox! 00:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete ɑʀкʏɑɴ 19:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Day by Day Armageddon

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Non notable, no reliable reasources and over all absolutely nothing defining about it. User:ECH3LON

  • Delete Search results reveal loads of forum posts about the book, which aren't reliable sources. Hence it lacks mentions by reliable sources. There is no proof that the book won any awards or have outstanding sales or what not, so it's not notable. Oh, forgot to mention, the author isn't exactly that famous as well. So it fails WP:NB.--Alasdair 01:48, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Notiable as it apparently started off as an online journal that turned into a novel, apparently quite successful as RRP is £12 but they are going on Amazon for from £79.92 for a used copy. - I added some references to the article, one is from a forum, but it is the official forums of the publisher, and this post has been posted by a moderator, so it seems reliable. - Fosnez 03:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The wording of Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Examples, says While they are often controlled by a single party..., many still permit anonymous commentary and we have no way of verifying the identity of a poster. I would argue that because this post is by a Moderator, on the publishers forums that this would become a reliable source. Regarding Amazon, the citiation was used to reference a fact on the article saying that the books were selling for up to 8 times their RRP, this fact is proven by the reference, and it is a notable source. (I can't find a policy that specifically says amazon is not a reliable source, I can understand how the reviews on amazon are not a reliable source, but amazon itself is.) Fosnez 03:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete Blatant copyvio of [3]. This is with no prejudice against this being rewritten in someone's own words in accordance with Wikipedia:Copyright. W.marsh 13:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Equality Florida

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Too local in scope for inclusion per WP:ORG New England Review Me!/Go Red Sox! 00:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Carlossuarez46 04:56, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Equality Mississippi

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WP:ORG says organizations need to be national in scope to be notable enough for inclusion. Therefore, this group is too local. New England Review Me!/Go Red Sox! 00:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of sexuality and gender-related deletions. —Becksguy 19:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Incorrect WP:ORG gives the guideline that non-commercial organizations that aren't international or national usually aren't notable unless they meet the policy WP:V: "Organizations whose activities are local in scope are usually not notable unless verifiable information from reliable independent sources can be found." Please consider each of these "Equality"-group articles based on searches for substantial and/or multiple coverage by reliable sources, not on whether they're local or statewide or national. Barno 00:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep The "Equality [State Name]" organizations seem to be representing a significant movement associated with the Gay Rights issue, and there are organizations in a number of states, including California. There's quite a bit on Google about them, and some of the links found there represent independent sources, as expected by WP:ORG. See, also, this set of criteria. The organization isn't as large as California's, for example, which hasn't been nominated for deletion, but then again, there aren't as many openly gay people in Mississippi, I would imagine!  ;) - Nascentatheist 01:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Org is seven years old, has google results. Organisations don't have to be national to be notable. Fosnez 03:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Self sourced. Does not establish any notibility from media/publications. fails WP:CORP.--Dacium 03:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep With added NPOV and Wikify tags Mbisanz 05:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep - WP:POINT much? See Equality Maryland afd, MassEquality afd, Equality Mississippi afd and Kansas Equality Coalition afd -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 06:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep - When you click the Talk link, you're taken to a page that says, "This article is within the scope of WikiProject LGBT studies, which tries to ensure comprehensive and factual coverage of all LGBT related issues on Wikipedia." You can't ensure comprehensive and factual coverage of all LGBT related issues on Wikipedia, if you're deleting part of LGBT related issues. Part does not equal all. Futher, the organization has garnered not just national attention and acceptance, but world-wide attention and acceptance. Equality Mississippi has been reported on by CNN, FOX News, ABC News, BBC News and several others. This organization is recognized by the Human Rights Campaign, Equality Federation, National Gay & Lesbian Task Force and the National Center for Lesbian Rights, all national LGBT rights organizations, as their partner in Mississippi. As noted on the page, this organization also wrote part of the historic argument against sodomy laws, for the United States Supreme Court. You can't get any more national than arguing before the U.S. Supreme Court. Deletion of this historic organization (who says equality Mississippi is an oxymoron?) would be tantamount to deleting all 1960's Mississippi related civil rights entries on Wikipedia beause, well, they happened in Mississippi and not anywhere else. Thanks for your time and consideration. Do not delete. Allstarecho 14:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you add specific citations to the article? If individual reporting by national TV/radio organizations has been as broad as you suggest, then this will meet WP's requirements. As it stands, the article has no independent sources. Barno 15:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Admittedly, with age, most public links to national coverage have been moved or removed. I have all of the links, dating back to 2000 but most are now dead links. I was able to find the ABC News story. I also found several stories from The Advocate, a national news magazine. If would like those links, I can provide. I found 5 of them. Further, I found a story in Christianity Today magazine and a story in Pentecostal Evangel magazine, both national magazines. Futher, there are stories available on the internet from regional media such as Southern Voice, which covers most of the Southern states. A simple Google News search brings back numerous results. You must also keep in mind that while some news stories appear to be in, and come from, local news outlets, these are Associated Press stories, which is a national news organization. Thank you. Allstarecho 18:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Further: I just read where New England has marked several statewide gay organizations for deletion. See the list of sexuality and gender-related deletions. This of course brings into question the motive here, especially since included in that list is MassEquality. If we're basing this decision off of national media coverage, there's no other organization out there that has gotten more than MassEquality thanks to the state's passage of legislation allowing and acknowledging same-sex marriage. Again, as pointed out above, the policy WP:V: "Organizations whose activities are local in scope are usually not notable unless verifiable information from reliable independent sources can be found." A simple Google/Yahoo/MSN search returns hundreds of reliable independent sources. Allstarecho 23:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Still Further: I just found a USA Today article. Allstarecho™ 10:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - it is a complete fallacy that organisations have to be national to be notable, though this one could do with some better referencing -- Roleplayer 20:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Tagishsimon, SatyrTN and kdogg36 from list of sexuality and gender-related deletions. • Lawrence Cohen 13:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: as I do not think the references support in a non-trivial way the notability of the organization. For example, the CNN article simply quotes them "Jody Renaldo, executive director of the gay-rights group Equality Mississippi, said that the state law makes gay marriage "a non-issue."" as a paragraph added on to a long article about the subject. (That's all it says--this is not a substantial reference to the importance of the group.) I hope their cause succeeds in Mississippi as everywhere else, but state branches of a national organization are almost never independently notable, and this is no exception. A walled garden of local articles. We have to separate an objective consideration of the organization from our devotion to the issue. Nominating them is not POINT, unless the point is that WP is not for PR. DGG (talk) 07:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments: First, your userpage says you're an inclusionist -- you could have fooled me. :-p Second, just as a point of information, this organization is not a state branch of a national organization (this is also true of the other organizations currently listed at the list of sexuality and gender-related deletions.) There is something called the "Equality Federation" which includes most such groups, but it's a loose, a posteriori federation of the groups for purposes like sharing resources or information. Finally, I think the POINT suggestion was because the user nominated lots of similar articles for deletion all at once, when there's no reason this matter couldn't have been discussed on the talk pages first. kdogg36 12:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments: Equality Mississippi is not a branch or chapter of any other organization, national or otherwise. It's a sovereign organization. Allstarecho™ 01:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Singularity 01:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

VX (band)

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Non notable band that simply covers songs written by others. Currently signed to a non-notable (no wiki article) label. New England Review Me!/Go Red Sox! 00:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Singularity 01:52, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ocean State Job Lot

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This company is semi-notable in New England, but that's it. Its not notable enough for inclusion here. (and I live down the street from one). New England Review Me!/Go Red Sox! 00:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, what you've heard or not heard, may not mean anything. Have you looked for sources besides your own memory? FrozenPurpleCube 03:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Really? Have you looked at the existing secondary sources? The case involving the mall certainly made a lot of news. FrozenPurpleCube 03:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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