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The result of the debate was delete. · Katefan0(scribble) 18:34, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Jamar_Butler

Vanity page Jkelly 20:50, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete: non-notable until he wins a proper basketball comp. mholland 20:52, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete nn vanity ---CH (talk) 04:24, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP: very notable, Ohio's Mr. Basketball Award is voted upon by hundreds of Associated Press members every Spring, and finishing runner-up to LeBron james for 2 years, and winning one is a very successful high school career. If in any other state in the USA, Jamar would have won 3 Mr. Basketball's easily, but was overshadowed by the LeBron legacy in Ohio. User:J-Roc 16:44 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Comment It is not clear to me that even if Mr. Butler had won three "Mr. Basketball"s, that would be notable enough for an encyclopedia entry, nor that a "very successful high school career" is. The above comment and an edit to the article in question is the above IP's only contributions to Wikipedia. Jkelly 17:57, 14 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP: the kid is a phenom, will be a multi-millionaire in the NBA very soon. User:Trampert 01:58 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Comment Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Jkelly 17:57, 14 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment re-sorted vote list chronologically.
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The result was Keep. (non-admin closure) Finalnight (talk) 17:38, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hafez Nazeri

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Notability issues Avi (talk) 05:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Wizardman 17:14, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thunder (SMV album)

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The future album of a band that was deleted as non notable. No speedy category so here it is. LegoTech·(t)·(c) 05:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep. After AreJay's improvements to the article, it passes notability (ie. "...now the largest private hospital chain in the UAE."). Malinaccier (talk) 22:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Medical Center

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Just a name of a hospital. Nothing done in two years. No assertion of notability. Can be recreated if suddenly there's a elephant body to human head transplant or some other major event or if the hospital suddenly is expanded. Presumptive (talk) 04:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus to delete (default to keep); article has been merged into Camp Rock. - DiligentTerrier (and friends)22:24, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Camp Rock 2

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Prod deleted. The fact that a sequel is being considered does not justify the amount of unsupported speculation in this article. Consideration of a sequel is the only unique and referenced material in this article and can easily be included in the Camp Rock article. A redirect to Camp Rock would be sufficient until enough unique information is available to support an article on the sequel. NrDg 04:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Checkuser result: likely Ameriquedialectics 15:01, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with Camp Rock as suggested. It's relevant to that page, enough to warrant inclusion, but not presently enough for its own article. - Vianello (talk) 06:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. From http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2008/06/demi_lovato_and_the_jonas_brot.html Michael Healy, Disney Channel's senior vice president for original movies said about a sequel "We hope so, but we don't know yet, each one of these movies has to stand own its own and succeed or fail, then we evaluate it." This is confirmation that this article is pure WP:CRYSTAL speculation including in the reference used in the article. --NrDg 15:48, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with Camp Rock I have reaserched and there is no word out about the plot or Selena Gomez coming out in the nextfilm, I creaed it hoping to find more information.Salcan (talk) 17:11, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep; although some of it (first paragraph) may be speculation, there is enough referenced content confirming the plans for this movie—and the fact that it is already attracting significant interest and speculation—to warrant an article. Everyking (talk) 07:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • MergeI say that we wait until there's more information about Camp Rock 2, and then make a larger article about it. Right now, the artcile is just saying things about when it'll be released and such, which isn't good information for a whole article. We can just keep Camp Rock 2 as part of the orginal Camp Rock article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soccer5525 (talk • contribs) 14:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or Merge. If we get anything passing the usual sniff test saying there will be a sequel, then we can get started on it. Until then, remove (update: User:Gary0203 has a sandbox version he had just in case, so I changed my statement from Delete or Merge to just Delete. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 19:52, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Today on TheHollywoodReporter.com, it said that a sequel was in the works, and was planned for a release in 09/10. --Yankeesrj12 (talk) 22:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.67.239 (talk) 03:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep/Comment - WP:CRYSTAL said "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented." Yes, it is certain to take place and preparation for the movie is already in progress. The article includes pre-production and production informations, its in good status except that banner in the top:} Also, Michael Healy's comment "We hope so, but we don't know yet, each one of these movies has to stand on its own and succeed or fail, then we evaluate it." was before Camp Rock premiered and the movie scored high ratings so it will definitely be made. It's also longer than I expected. Gary0203 (talk) 08:27, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Kolkata. The edit history will be preserved so that any useful information can be merged as seen fit. Shereth 21:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Kolkata facts

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The epitome of a violation of WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information. Alternately, merge this to Kolkata and subarticles, and redirect to Kolkata. Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge and redirect. There's a number of useful facts here - "list of X facts" is an really bad way to organize an article, but most of the underlying content looks sound. Incredibly enough, most of it even appears to be decently sourced. Zetawoof(ζ) 07:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to the relevant articles and Delete. Yes, "List of X facts" is a very bad way to collect, organize and retrieve information. This article is an excellent example of an indiscriminate collection of information. Eklipse (talk) 08:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Might I point out that "merge and delete" is not a valid option. Under the GFDL license the contribution history must be maintained if the article is going to be integrated into another article. Now for my opinion... I hardly see this collection of information as "indiscriminate". There is plenty of relevant information and organization here, and there is plenty of encyclopedic value in a list of notable people and facts about a major city. Sure some of this information is redundant, but there are plenty of redundant list articles. Such as List of oldest trees which contain a list of all the really old trees, some with their own articles such as Old Tjikko. That doesn't make "list of old trees" redundant just because it states the same information that can be found within "old tjikko", it simply lists the oldest trees in a valuable order and simplifies the task of gathering the information on your own. I see the same value here. Kolkata is a notable place with lots of notable facts which deserve a seperate list. And for full transparency, yes I have worked on this article and the reason it is so well sourced is due to me and User:Aditya Kabir putting some time into fixing this one. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 09:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect (and merge whatever is needed) to Kolkata. The premise for this article, collecting miscellaneous facts, without clear criteria beyond geography (surely it is not supposed to be a collection of every fact about Calcutta) is a problem. WP:IINFO might be a relevant policy, but I will be cautious in using it since the facts themselves are in fact quite reasonable and encyclopedic. They are just better presented in the context of the main article. Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, just delete. Kolkata is an excellent featured article, and dumping a heap of random trivia onto it wouldn't be right. While sourced, most of this stuff is just a mess and only tangentally related to Kolkata anyway ("The Calcutta Club opened its doors to women members in 2007.", "Satyajit Ray was only indian who won Academy Award. He is considered as one of the finest director ever produced.", and so on.) Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep Yet another article facing AfD because it's not been developed to a high standard. Please, this is a collaborative project, and articles are not submitted after meeting all quality standards. If you care about the article, develop it. If you don't have the time or the resources, tag it with {{cleanup}} or something. Deleting articles are detrimental to the growth of Wikipedia, and is not a proposal to be wielded lightly. The current state of the article is not probably the best way to organize an article, but that calls for article development. Getting rid of things that looks like work is not called organization, it's called demolition.
    This is a sub-article of the Kolkata article, so the merge proposal doesn't seem valid, especially since the mother article is a quite stable article of featured status. The information is encyclopedic enough to warrant a keep anytime, and it's well sourced as well. What policy stands against this article, apart from a loosely used "indiscriminate information" identification? Since the information is already very much about a number of highlights of the city of Kolkata, even that doesn't apply. It is not a coincidence that the merge opinions holders have already acknowledged the usefulness and encyclopedic nature of the information.
    The two pieces of information cherry-picked and presented put of context is even less of a reason for deletion. They are very much part of an attempt at contextualizing the information in the article. Like, if you don't know who Satyajit Ray is, you don't have to click on the link first, rather the article would give you a short brief on the person and his notability. That is very much a Wikiepdia way of doing things, not the other way round. And, if you don't like it still, try copyedit.
    I don't care about it or I don't like it are not deletion arguments, they are subjective opinions of a personal kind. I understand that this nomination was made in good faith and those who voiced for delete and merge acted in good faith, but, please, don't demolish the house while it's still being built. I have worked on the article along with ErgoSum to build a house, not to demolish it, and so can you. It's not that difficult. Aditya(talk • contribs) 04:54, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"I don't care" and "I don't like" were not the arguments for deleting this article. The main problem with this page, and its title, is that it has no scope other than "things related to Kolkata". In which direction would you improve this list if its scope is not even defined? Eklipse (talk) 12:27, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Surely the name and/or scope of this article is not the whole reason behind this debate. When I found this article it was titled "Kolkata trivia" which I then changed to "List of Kolkata facts" in the interest of being "encyclopedic". I think the WP:INDISCRIMINATE policy is being taken a little too far here. I think this can be summed up with "One man's trash is another man's treasure." What some people see as a trash pile of random "trivia", others see as a well-organized list of notable "facts". I would like to point out the main issue here is that most of the information contained in this article is already contained in other articles and simply deleting or merging this article will have accomplished next to nothing. If this information is notable enough to be included within other Kolkata-related articles, then what is the harm in keeping a separate list? List of Monctonians, List of people from Connecticut, and the mother of all lists Lists of Americans are just as "indiscriminate" in their guidelines for inclusion and should rightly be considered "trivial" in nature but seem to be largely favored by the community. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 10:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There's a difference between List of people from Connecticut and List of Kolkata facts, though.
  • First, it is possible to enumerate people from Connecticut, and to determine which people qualify. It's a large set, but one which has well-defined boundaries. A "Kolkata fact" is not something quite so well-defined, though. You cannot look up one of these facts and determine whether it qualifies as a Kolkata fact or not. Hence, the selection of items is purely subjective.
  • There's also a subtle distinction that you're missing between the partial duplication which exists in most lists and the duplication which exists in this one. Lists are considered important on Wikipedia because they serve as a "value-added" extension of categories - ideally, each item in a list represents some item which is expanded upon elsewhere. Moreover, this duplication only exists because the list is summarizing information from elsewhere. Since all of the notable "Kolkata facts" all belong in Kolkata and related articles, and there's no further expansion to be done on most of these facts, there's no value added by selecting them for appearance here.
Finally, there's simply no value in such a list as this for the reader. Someone who's looking for information on Kolkata will start looking at Kolkata, not List of Kolkata facts. If the exact information they're looking for isn't there, they'll look at a more specific article or a related article - at no point is a "list of facts" a logical location to find information. Which is, in the end, what we're after: organizing information. Zetawoof(ζ) 19:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Shereth 19:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brice Dickson

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Non-notable academic. No evidence is presented that this academic rises above others of his discipline or specialty, aside from his short stint as head of a a human rights commission. Relevant Google hits are few, with the only one that wasn't a listing of his books being a BBC article about a politician urging him to resign his HRC post Fails WP:PROF. (Contested speedy.) - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 03:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So why then did you vote Keep for Mawhinney and Delete for Dickson? In any event, Dickson appears a lot more notable than Mawhinney to me. He was a major human rights official who received a great deal of coverage in the mass media. She is just an academic specializing in human rights research. The two aren't really comparable, so logically it should be Keep for Dickson and Delete for Mawhinney, not the other way around. Nsk92 (talk) 05:31, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
NO: I voted as I believed was the logical consequence of pointing out that Mawhinney and Dickson are equals as far as I am concerned, and what's good for the gander is good for the goose. Also, I have updated Mawhinney's page in case anyone wants to take a look to reconsider their opinions. Rotund, but sweet (talk) 12:15, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't get you. If you think that their notabilities are equal, then why did you vote differently in the two AfDs? Are you making a WP:POINT here? Nsk92 (talk) 16:15, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Tim Vickers (talk) 18:42, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Boru Irish Pipe Band

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non notable, uncited band article. SGGH speak! 18:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep, any future merge proposal is an editorial matter. (non-admin close) RMHED (talk) 15:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Meditation therapy

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Recently de-spammed, with many issues tagged and uncorrected, this page appears to add nothing to wiki since meditation as therapy is just meditation. I suggest relinking all links to "meditation" Redheylin (talk) 02:58, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy keep per WP:SNOW, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 01:31, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Piczo

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Not notable, no sources exist, probably an advertisement LightSpeed (talk) 03:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep While not as popular as Myspace, reasonably popular; gets 25 Google news results, which is pretty decent for a website. An Alexa traffic rating of 634 isn't that shabby either. this CNN article mentions it in the same sentence with Bebo, LinkedIn, and Tagged.OhNoitsJamie Talk 03:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Shereth 19:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cyberclash

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Never released video game...the article consists of a plot summary and what appears to be ad copy for the non existent game. Fails WP:NOTE LegoTech·(t)·(c) 02:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedied G6, non-admin close. ukexpat (talk) 02:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expected films

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Contested Speedy as nonsense. By the letter of the law, is not a G1, I suppose. Delete as WP:OR type essay. At best userfy as an essay. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 01:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC). Dlohcierekim 01:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Will re-direct to Tetherball#swingball as a potential search term. Shereth 18:58, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Swing-ball

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Alleged new sport. Fractionally better than MADEUP - they have created a website. But not (yet) notable. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 01:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep (non-admin close). RMHED (talk) 15:11, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nashua-Plainfield High School

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High school whose article has no content other than a "directory listing", with no notability asserted. WP:NOTABILITY applies to school's articles too. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 00:38, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A comment about this "RS coverage", out of the 10 returns in all the archives (as a comparison, my middle school returns 377 results [1], and out of those 10, only about 4 are really actually about the school itself, the rest are either not about the school at all or about someone who had attended the school. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 15:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My middle school was lame. I don't disagree re: notability but when was the last time a high school got deleted at AfD. It's one of those semi-inherent notability, just like school districts where if it were another topic, it might get deleted. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:38, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As a BTW, I think that the sources available for Jane Lathrop Stanford Middle School would support it being broken out again. Since it was merged, a significant controversy has been added to its section in the district article and there is another here. Going back to Travellingcari's point, there are many categories of pages that are considered notable even if not strictly 'inherently notable' and these include: inhabited places, numbered highways, railway stations, airports, fauna and flora, peers of the realm, high court judges and many others. This approach is adopted to avoid jumping through the same hoops each time. TerriersFan (talk) 17:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Shereth 18:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alison Mawhinney

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Non-notable academic. No evidence is presented that this academic rises above others of her discipline or specialty. Article mentions that she has presented a paper at a symposium and published an article, but there's nothing inherently notable about either, no was any notable action taken as a result of either. This seems like a bit of a vanity article, though I'm far from certain that's the case. Relevant Google hits are few, and Google Scholar returns are also few and not particularly noteworthy. (Contested speedy and PROD.) - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 00:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Additional reason added for keeping: I have added Mawhinney's publications to her article - can you re-review? Thanks. Rotund, but sweet (talk) 12:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I had seen them. Three journal articles is a good definition of "inadequate" unless they become very highly cited. At this point, Google Scholar doesn't show any citation, but if you can find anything significant (say over 20 journal citations, or citations in really major appellate cases) in the legal indexes, please add the information. They're still new, so she may become notable in the future.DGG (talk) 12:42, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Have to agree with DGG. There's a difference between having scholarly articles published and meeting the standards set by ACADEMIC. Townlake (talk) 20:10, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Shereth 18:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Insatiable (film)

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Not notable L is for Lover (talk) 00:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Shereth 18:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Silver Leaf Tea Company

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Contested prod, fails WP:CORP, no independent third party sources located indicating notability. Montco (talk) 03:34, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

speedy declined indicates some possible importance as large scale supplierDGG (talk) 15:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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