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The result was delete. Very close call, but seems outside of current guidelines Nja247 08:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Schommer

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Fails WP:ATHLETE as never playing professional football or at the highest amatuer level, ie NCAA Division I FBS. Additionally, no significant coverage in independent/third-party reliable sources. Can be recreated if/when he plays professionally or otherwise obtains notability. Grsz11 23:51, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it should, but right now it doesn't. Grsz11 00:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • If we consider being drafted as a measure of notability, then do we consider all drafted players of other sports notable? In baseball, that is 30 teams, 50 rounds or more, so at least 1500 players per year, many of whom will not sign a contract, and most of whom will never have careers outside of the minor leagues. Eauhomme (talk) 05:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly. Bring it up somewhere if you wish, probably would be the Village pump. Grsz11 00:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (per current guidelines). This guy presents a weaker case than the other three pending college football discussions (John Nalbone, James Wyche, and Kevin Simon). I have found no substantial coverage focusing on Schommer in the mainstream media. Even a NewsBank search of Nort Dakota papers turned up nothing significant. (The two pages linked in the article are to press releases from the university, not coverage in the mainstream media.) Under current policy, being drafted does not by itself establish notability. And Schommer was the 242nd pick -- a very, very late pick. I agree that first-round (and 2nd- and 3rd-round) draft picks would be notable, and those players are typically the subject of extensive media coverage establishing notability. As you drop into the late rounds, media coverage is less extensive and notability becomes iffy. At this stage, I'd favor deleting Schommer. Cbl62 (talk) 00:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Cbl62 (talk) 00:37, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So why not discuss this instead of nominating all of these articles for deletion.--Yankees10 02:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not the one saying it should be changed. Grsz11 02:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Very little media coverage and at this point, as he's not actually signed a contract with the team, we're also looking at WP:CRYSTAL as draftees in football (and especially baseball) are not certain to become notable later. I'd recommend the creator revisit the article on a future date. DSZ (talk) 05:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment You can't even compare being drafted in the NFL and being drafted in baseball. The NFL draft is only 256 players, and most do play professionally. The MLB Draft is 50 rounds, over 1,500 and tons of them never make it to to the majors. I'm of the belief that simply being drafted in the NFL makes one notable enough, and that WP:ATHLETE needs to be amended to reflect that.►Chris NelsonHolla! 05:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment This isn't the place to discuss the standards of WP:ATHLETE, but to enforce the standards actually in place. As such, simply being drafted does not confer notability. A drafted player *can* be notable, but it doesn't appear so in this case. Simply saying that you wish the standards were different is not a convincing argument, it's comparable to me going to the IRS and saying that I don't owe what they think because I feel the 25% tax bracket should start at a higher level of income.DSZ (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC).[reply]
Comment Please note that WP:Athlete is not a policy. Its a guideline. Articles are absolutely required to meet these standards, but AfD always seems to use them like holy writ. I don't disagree with the delete, but I just needed to clarify. Livewireo (talk) 15:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment I agree, we're talking about guidelines, but in this case, the guidelines in place are to make the standards for notability *lower* for professional athletes. If that guideline is ignored, then the standards for Schommer's inclusion become more strict, not more lax.DSZ (talk) 16:39, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - NFL and NBA are special cases. If you are drafted in either league, you are going to play at least one game. If anyone doesn't read WP:ATHLETE as supporting creation of articles of all NFL and NBA draft picks, then WP:ATHLETE is wrong and needs to be updated to be in line with our actual practices. --B (talk) 12:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment* - This is not true. Quite a lot of players in the NFL draft never play in a single game in the NFL. Even in the much smaller NBA draft, a lot of players drafted never play in the NBA. For the latter, it's 14 of 60 for 2007, 8 of 60 for 2006, 5 of 60 for 2005, and 13 of 60 in 2004. Clearly, being drafted by the NBA does not make it almost certain that the player will play in the NBA, thus making the notability conferred by playing in the NBA not automatically extend to draftees. I notice that none of the people complaining about WP:ATHLETE is even bothering to raise the issue in the appropriate area. If anything, the consensus is moving towards making WP:ATHLETE more restrictive, not less.DSZ (talk) 14:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see how that is really relevant, considering that basketball is so fundamentally different from American football. For example, there are significantly fewer starting positions on a basketball team, and there are also two fewer teams in the NBA compared with the NFL. The risk of injury is also far greater in football and requires deeper reserves and significantly shortens the careers of players at almost every position. Strikehold (talk) 17:58, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • In the case of the NBA, how many of those players that you cited that didn't play in the NBA didn't play in a fully professional league in some other country? (which also would meet WP:ATHLETE) --B (talk) 19:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Being selected in the draft should at least give him a 'stay of deletion' until the end of the 2009 season. "Quite a lot" NFL draftees not playing a game has no bearing, and I believe that most do end up playing. An NFL team has strongly shown its intentions of at least putting them on their team. To delete now when he may very well play in a few months is bureaucracy for its own sake. Strikehold (talk) 16:07, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - Quite a lot of NFL draftees not playing absolutely has bearing under WP:CRYSTAL. The standard isn't "probably" going to happen or "likely" going to happen. The standard is "almost certain." That Schommer is probably going to notable in the future is not enough to satisfy the standards.DSZ (talk) 16:36, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Um... what? You were the one who said "quite a lot of NFL draftees" don't ever play, and I agree, that is a crystal ball rationale. Saying that an NFL team showed confidence in the player's ability by expending a draft selection on him is not, that is a fact. Strikehold (talk) 17:58, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • You are partly right, which is why draft articles are ok, because they have already happened. However articles for the players themselves, and the comment that they are likely to play violates "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." It is not almost certain that a drafted player will play in the NFL. Especially not one so far down in the draft. -Djsasso (talk) 18:58, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: These articles do not look like merely trivial mentions to me. [1][2]. Further, the brief mentions in multiple other articles about his exploits during his college baseball and football careers convinces me that he satisfies WP:BIO. Morbidthoughts (talk) 18:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to what policy/guideline? The guideline WP:BIO, to which you refer, uses "significant coverage" to mean the extent of the coverage by reliable sources, it makes no distinction as to whether they are "local" or not. Are the New York Times, Washington Post, and Chicago Tribune "local sources"? Each of those do significant local reporting, and each one is also considered among the finest news publications in the world. I, for one, would trust the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung for accurate reporting on German issues far more than, say, the Los Angeles Times. Now, I'm not comparing the Pierce County Herald to any of those, but am illustrating the point that there is not, nor should there be, a distinction requiring non-"local" sources be used. Strikehold (talk) 20:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per WP:N, "The number and nature of reliable sources needed varies depending on the depth of coverage and quality of the sources." Your local newspaper isn't a high quality source compared to the ones you mention. This is one of those cases, one or two local news stories doesn't cut it. Grsz11 21:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Of course, that is one possible interpretation of what you quote. However, there is nothing that says that local sources or small newspapers are unreliable (or of "lower quality", as you assert). In fact, like I said previously, local sources can be better than, let's say, "global" or "national" sources depending on the topic (FAZ vs. the LA Times is an example on a larger scale). Different publications have different specialties. For a player at a small college not located near a large city with a "major" paper, I'd say that is the case here. Fargo, a small city of 100,000 where NDSU is, is 200 miles from Minneapolis (which doesn't have a "national" newspaper) and 600 miles from Kansas City, Denver, and Chicago (which do). I don't think Schommer is a slam dunk for notability, but I think there's enough leeway from the sources in addition to being drafted to keep it. Strikehold (talk) 22:13, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep Being drafted doesn't mean instant notabilty, but he has a high chance of making to the NFL. If he gets cut during training camp, than we can renominate this article for discussion. Secret account 20:55, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • In second thoughts Delete per sourcing concerns, I don't consider local news stories to be "sigificant coverage", and if he makes the final roster, it can always be undeleted without controversy, and another hellish AFD. Secret account 12:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete he has not "competed at the fully professional level of [his] sport" to satisfy WP:ATHLETE. If he plays, on the first game of the regular season or any time thereaftere, then the article can be re-created. blackngold29 21:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
not "Policy", but a guideline, and therefore to be interpreted flexibly. DGG (talk) 23:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, being drafted is not inherently notable, and there is nothing else in the article that would indicate any sort of notability for the encyclopedia. Wizardman 22:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The rule that one has to actually play for the team is a very good one, and has general consensus for all sports. DGG (talk) 23:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep fails WP:ATHLETE. Passes WP:N per Morbidthoughts's links. Those arguing against passing WP:ATHLETE in one breath because he doesn't technically meet it should probably also note that neither WP:N, WP:BIO or WP:RS consider local sources to be incapable of being "significant". That's not an argument based in those guidelines. Hobit (talk) 20:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment All but two of those articles are trivial mention. Grsz11 20:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I only looked at the two he provided above. They are articles solely on the topic and so meet WP:N pretty easily (and therefor WP:BIO etc.). Any additional trivial mentions are mildly helpful to the case, but the two linked above are enough in my opinion. Hobit (talk) 01:22, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep If he made the final roster for one game- has ANY pro stats at all- keep him. I would give all drafted players 1 year past thier class, they can be signed later on. David.snipes (talk) 01:38, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As per my above comment, drafted or signed players are not by themselves notable until they actually play a game. We cannot make exceptions for certain sports or leagues, as that becomes too unwieldy. I can tell you that there are many players drafted for baseball, not as many for football or basketball--so do we call football and basketball players who are drafted notable? Sounds very Americocentric if we don't also have rules in place for Rugby, Cricket, Aussie Football, Soccer, or the myriad other professional team sports. Let's keep it simple and wait until he plays his way into notability. Eauhomme (talk) 19:35, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails WP:ATHLETE, but more importantly WP:RS. No significant coverage is available. --Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:33, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Erik9 (talk) 18:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A Plea for Purging

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non-notable band. Ironholds (talk) 23:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nja247 10:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BBY Ltd

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renominating as there was hardly any real consensus in the last deletion discussion. it should be noted that this article has had some significant editing from 2 single purpose editors attached to the article subject. nevertheless this subjects fails WP:ORG. mentions in the media are not about the company itself but more employees commenting on the stock market. LibStar (talk) 23:47, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. —Grahame (talk) 02:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - This article has a WP:COI issue due to contributions from its employees but it appears to me to pass notability after I originally had my doubts as well. I have tried to come in and clean out the bulk of the material that I thought did not belong. However, the company itself establishes notability through media coverage (in addition to the ridiculous quantum of articles that certain contributors keep putting into the article referencing the opinions of BBY analysts). The company is among the largest brokerages in Australia and its research is widely referenced. The company itself is not public but is minority owned by Jefferies & Company a US public company. I think this article needs to be monitored to avoid WP:SPAM but I would much prefer to deal with the conflict issue than just try to delete the article. |► ϋrбanяeneωaℓ • TALK ◄| 14:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep - I notice there is a list of proposed references on the article's Talk page. After those are added to the article, it seems likely that it will show notability. EdJohnston (talk) 15:31, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep is mildly notable with sufficient references. I investigated this in tandem with Glenn Rosewall (which I do not believe is notable). Drawn Some (talk) 22:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy deleted (A7). — Gwalla | Talk 18:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Steel (musician)

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Non-notable performer with a non-notable band (there is no Wikipedia article on Mr. Steel's group, Kingdom). Does not meet WP:BIO and WP:V standards. Pastor Theo (talk) 23:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

strong delete per nom. Broccoli (talk) 23:18, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Nja247 10:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

David Samson

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This article was deleted via PROD, but was restored by Jon513, who created it. I'm putting it to this AFD because in my opinion it should be deleted for the following reasons:

  1. The first sentence is disputed, and I don't believe there is any way to determine it. Google search for דוד סמסון gives only 287 results, and the search for דויד סמסון gives 0. For comparison: Rabbi Yuval Sherlo gets 163,000 google hits. In my opinion there is not sufficient coverage in reliable sources. Also, search in english ("David Samson") doesn't give better results in comparison to "one of the leading..."
  2. The weekly TV feature magazine "Israeli Salad" is not notable, primarily since Arutz Sheva is broadcasted only in the internet. Besides, the article failes to deacribe Rabbi Samson role in this magazine.
  3. "dean of Maale Erev Institutions" - What is the definition of this job? What are his duties? What are "Maale Erev Institutions"?
  4. "rosh yeshiva of yeshivat Lech Lecah" - This yeshive has no more than 25 (!) students, and it is equivalent to a regularly high school. Also, most of teaching is in regular classrooms. Even in Hebrew Wikipedia (my home wiki) it was decided to delete the article (discussion), and I supported this after the hebrew community was presented with exact details about the yeshiva.
  5. Books: Manny rabbi's write many books, but the article fails to establish their notability. As far as I know they have no notability in any field of research, or have any commercial success (and I'm religious).
  6. In conclusion: I have no doubt that rabbi Samson is a good man, and perhaps a very good man. But, being good does mean you are entitled of a Wikipedia article. Broccoli (talk) 23:13, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's my opinion, that's all. And I think that a small group is a few dozen people ... not what we're dealing with here. I don't know why we're so busy with trying to delete this article. shirulashem (talk) 00:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that's because he is the principal of about dozen students. Two of the ISBN are wrong, and gives nothing, and the other numbers leads to pages in Amazon that is about a clearly non-notable books. Broccoli (talk) 02:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi ברוקולי|Broccoli: Shalom! Simply because you have eliminated this article on the Hebrew wiki does not mean it has to suffer the same fate here. What is your bias? I don't know, I am trying to assume good faith, but your vehemence is worrying as the English wiki is a far more tolerant place. By way of logic and process, the way you are attacking this article, and rushing to get rid of it by way of WP:PROD [10] is a very hostile move in this case perhaps violating WP:NOTBATTLEGROUND that is also no reason to delete it, but rather based on the very reasons you cite it would need the {{Cleanup}} or {{Refimprove}} templates and certainly you should first have tried to engage the many editors familiar with this topic and Orthodox Judaism at WP:TALKJUDAISM and not rushed to zap this article on flimsy and hasty grounds. IZAK (talk) 07:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If anyone is treating WP like a battleground it's one editor who accuses a second editor of treating WP like a battleground because the second editor feels that an article doesn't meet the wp:n standards.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 18:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Howdy Brewcrewer, are ya here to nit-pick or to vote? Do you even know what the subject of the AfD is about? IZAK (talk) 06:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Did Shirahadasha come down from Sinai together with Moses that he gets quoted with such authority? I also enjoyed your first keep rationale, "Jon513 can be fully trusted."--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 18:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
yada, yada: Well at least according to you I am in good company with Moses now. Shira had given an excellent summation of an important principle. You can agree or disagree with it but don't insult Moses and Mount Sinai that is holy to Judaism and Jews, and to both Christianity and Islam as well. But why waste time? Be positive and take a stand and explain why in this AfD and not create side-shows of attacking me, when I have not even said anything to you. You are clearly violating (1) WP:HARASS; (2) WP:AGF; (3) WP:NPA; (4) WP:CIVIL and outright trolling. Stop it! IZAK (talk) 06:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Rabbi Samson is known for his works on Rav Kook as well as an educator for "students who do not fit into other frameworks" (his words), or dropouts if you are less polite. He has several schools which fit different niches for these kinds of students. His night school "maale erev" has over a hundred students (who usually work during the day), and I know he also runs a few other school which fit other niches (I think he has one for French immigrants and English speakers) but I haven't found source yet. The jeep school "lech lecha" is one of his smallest schools but has gotten more press because of how unusual it is and how it demonstrates Samson's ability to think outside the box and reach out students who are difficult to reach. Jon513 (talk) 11:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 20:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Death and Adjustment Hypotheses

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Procedural nomination. After I closed the previous discussion as "delete," the creator of the article asked me to email him the source text of the deleted article. He has recreated the article; please reassess it. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton | Talk 00:07, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I can't tell rightly what this is, but it isn't encyclopedic. In part, it's a collection of quotes that themselves are grammatically challenged and are not organized in any kind of rhetorical framework. Is it original research? Is it book promotion? Is it some spiritual/religious text? I don't know. Drmies (talk) 02:38, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Fails the WP:BULLSHIT test.—S Marshall Talk/Cont 08:32, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This is basically a synopsis of Hossain's book, and there are no references that indicate the book or the "pair of multidimensional theory" it propounds are notable. The appropriate guidelines are WP:BK (for Quest for a New Death) and WP:PROF (for Hossain himself), and the article fails both as it stands. Incidentally, Quest for a New Death would be a more appropriate title for this article if it's kept. Tevildo (talk) 09:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • It should not be deleted unless clearly understood as because the theory is now in scientific community via the very famous Tailor and Francis Journal on death - 'Death Studies'(find it at www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a907644823~db=all~jumptype=rss - ) and even McGraw-Hill educational material (find it at highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/dl/free/0078689686/374527/Additional_Lifespan_Development_Topics.pdf ) sites about the theory very specifically. Both of them are in the reference. Therefore, the theory is now with those who have not proposed it, but only reading it after peer reviewed publication. It is a more recent development but not unknown in the scientific world. I believe a rearrangement can help it become a useful encyclopedia article. I know, as the creator (bad creator, I believe) of the article I should not add much , but I believe recent but established (as scientific work) topic from the scientific world should not be left behind just for the failure of the creator of the article. Even time can help us proceedShoovrow (talk) 13:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The "Death Studies" reference is the sort of thing required to demonstrate the notability of the _book_, but not necessarily of the _theory_. This article might have a better chance if it were specifically about the book - but that will require a complete rewrite and page move. Tevildo (talk) 15:22, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was withdrawn per sources found by Cbl (WP:HEY) Grsz11 00:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Nalbone

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Fails WP:ATHLETE. Has not competed professionally or the highest amateur level (NCAA Division I FBS). Grsz11 22:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hardly inherent notability. 200-some drafted, many never play. Grsz11 22:05, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Some can achieve notability otherwise, Len Bias being a good example. But WP:ATHLETE is clear on this. Many would argue that hardly any of these picks are notable yet (the whole Olympics issue). But in this case, DI FBS is the top amateur league, meaning those who haven't played at that level, or professionally, don't pass it. Grsz11 22:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Then like I said, the guidelines need to be changed. This isn't baseball - most drafted players do play professionally and, like I said, I believe being drafted makes one notable regardless of professional career, and I bet others will agree.►Chris NelsonHolla! 22:11, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We go by what the guidelines and policies currently say, not what you want them to say. TJ Spyke 23:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And where does Wikipedia say that? Grsz11 22:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nowhere, yet.►Chris NelsonHolla! 22:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Its common sense, the NFL Draft is one of the biggest days in the NFL year. You clearly dont follow the NFL or you would have never nominated this for deletion, and therefore are wasting everyones time--Yankees10 22:23, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How about trying guideline and policies (WP:ATHLETE) rather than your personal opinion? TJ Spyke 23:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Being drafted is notable.►Chris NelsonHolla! 23:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not by itself it is not. He was also drafted in the 5th round (the 161st pick), so he wasn't exactly a high priority. Just being drafted does NOT make a athlete notable. And don't say it does because I have already pointed you to guidelines and policies which apply here. He fails the guideline for athletes. TJ Spyke 23:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - But he doesn't fail for notable people.►Chris NelsonHolla! 23:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I don't agree that every 5th or 6th round NFL draft pick is per se notable. A college football player is notable if he has won a significant award or received substantial mainstream media coverage. This is a closer case than two other football players discussed below (James Wyche and Kevin Simon), but there have been some mainstream articles focusing on Nalbone. See, e.g., Feature story in Star-Ledger and Feature story in South Florida Sun-Sentinel. And here and here are two more feature stories on Nalbone from a New Jersey newspaper. Being the "first" player from a college to be drafted by the NFL also lends a further element of notability to the guy -- getting drafted after playing at a very small school like Monmouth is unusual. On balance, I find him notable, but not simply because he was drafted. Cbl62 (talk) 23:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Cbl62 above. Being drafted into the NFL does not automatically make a player sufficiently notable, but this player has been the subject of coverage by multiple reliable sources, so WP:BIO is met. — Satori Son 23:57, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Airbus A320. Content will not be deleted, thus a transwiki will be possible by any willing editor Nja247 08:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A320 flight control

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Wikipedia is not a manual. Too specific/technical for Wikipedia. The Airbus A320 itself is merely a section of an article, and there's nothing to be merged. The general article aircraft flight control systems is sufficient for Wikipedia's coverage of aircraft flight control. ~EdGl ★ 22:18, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was withdrawn by nominator (keep) --RegentsPark (My narrowboat) 16:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Fixxers

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No references, no records, no record deal that I can verify, no chart rankings--no notability. Drmies (talk) 22:02, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi Admin! How are you? Will you please close this AfD if you have a minute? I'm withdrawing my nomination, with thanks to Michig for their work. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 15:36, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for failing Wikipedia's guidelines on notability and our policy on verifiability and reliable sources.—S Marshall Talk/Cont 22:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Come on, please, we have WP:BEFORE for a reason. This group has 2 members, both of which are individually notable, the group is signed to Universal Records, and a quick Google search found all this coverage: [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20]. --Michig (talk) 22:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Right. And BEFORE, I found this: [21], which is really nothing except passing mention of shows, and a few lines in a Honolulu newspaper. There are no hits at all for "The Fixxers Street Masterpiece" in Google News. And while some of your finds look good, many do not--seriously, you'd never include your second reference in an article, would you? The XXL Mag reference doesn't hardly discuss the band, only the artists' past, Rap News Network is a blog. The last reference, from the Honolulu "Star Bulletin," has only this to offer: "Following a stint in prison in 2006, Quik has regained his focus and teamed with long-time buddy AMG to form the Fixxers, releasing the single "Can You Werk with Dat." this year." So I'm still looking for in-depth, significant coverage in reliable sources. Drmies (talk) 22:47, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Rap News network claims to have a staff and 500,000 readers, which would make it not a blog, although we only have their word for it. The Allmusic bio is significant coverage. The XXL magazine feature is significant coverage. Vibe magazine choosing their track as one of the 44 best songs of 2007 is a good indication of notability. There's also this news story from XXL magazine. These are all reliable sources. The other sources may not be to your liking but the fact that the band has a profile on the Interscope site shows that do have a deal (Interscope is a division of Universal). So what's the problem with this article that can't be fixed using the sources available? Deleting an article on a band comprising wholly of notable individuals makes no sense whatsover. --Michig (talk) 23:05, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Take it easy, Michig. I do have a little bit of sense. You'll have seen, perhaps, that the hits on Google News provide no suggestion that there was a 2008 album, and you have also seen that the album that was supposed to come out never did, so, as far as I could tell from that terrible article, there was nothing there. And you'll forgive me for not plowing through a ton of Google hits looking for a band I never heard of. I got a proposal: I clean up the article some, you add a couple of references (the ones "I like"? how about the ones that look or are notable), and I withdraw this nomination. And then we light up something good and listen to "Sweet Black Pussy" which is, apparently, one of "Quik"'s big hits. OK?Drmies (talk) 01:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • I am taking it easy. I've just spent half an hour improving the article, which I would have rather spent doing something else. "plowing through a ton of Google hits looking for a band I never heard of" is a Really Good Idea if you're considering nominating an article on that band for deletion, at least for a few minutes.--Michig (talk) 06:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep, since it contains notable musicians it technically meets notability guidelines. Weak verifiability, but verifiability nonetheless (e.g. allmusic.com). Also, article is not an orphan; it has 18 links from article namespace. ~EdGl ★ 23:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep The sources added by Michig demonstrate that WP:MUSIC is met. sparkl!sm hey! 09:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Nja247 08:32, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quick TransLation

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Just one of many firefox plugins; no evidence of notability. Ironholds (talk) 21:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Nja247 10:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

World School Council

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Not finding anything supporting the existence of this organization. Even the official URL goes to a newly created, essentially blank website. At best it's an attempt to promote a new social organization, at worst it's a hoax. Either way, it doesn't meet notability requirements. RadioFan (talk) 21:18, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that the website now has something there. However, this changes nothing about the organisation being notable, so my vote is unchanged. Quantpole (talk) 11:10, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment I see that the web site at the external link now has content. I doubt this is a hoax and it now looks like the founders included "create Wikipedia page" in their launch plans for their new organization. As laudable as the purposes of this organization may be, it's still lacks the coverage in 3rd party sources required and should be deleted as a result. Perhaps once the organization does something and is recognized, the article can be recreated. For now, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a promotional vehicle.--RadioFan (talk) 12:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I understand that Wikipedia is not a "promotional vehicle", whatever that is supposed to mean. This page has been created to state facts about the World School Council, which is what an encyclopedia is for - you can view more information about what the World School Council has done and plans to do via the website - the page will be edited to include this information soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wattie92 (talk • contribs) 13:53, 27 April 2009
  • "Not a promotional vehicle" means that Wikipedia is not here for people to write about their own brand-new organisation with a view to helping it become famous. It has to be established and well-known, so that people independent of it have thought it important enough to write about, before it gets a Wikipedia article. More information on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 15:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Nja247 10:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yellow Bird Project

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Twice recreated article about an organization that fails Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). It has no significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources - all mentions I could find independent from the project, for example a mention on Pitchfork and on Spin Magazine contains trivial coverage about how it's a non-profit that sells T-Shirts designed by musicians and the money goes to charitable organizations of the musicians' choice. Hekerui (talk) 21:24, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Nja247 10:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Louie Jordan

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Non-notable musician, no sources. Also his second single, Darkness into light. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 21:17, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge. I would recommend Minor characters in Sonic the Hedgehog (comic book); if you find a better target, feel free to contact me on my talk page. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:16, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Athair

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Non-notable character, written largely in universe. No sources found. Seems too minor for a merge. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 21:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Merge, although the number of different continuities and character lists makes it nigh-impossible to discern to which article it should be merged. As it is, though, it's almost entirely plot summary; it's not even clear regarding which media, exactly, featured the character. Powers T 01:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Nja247 10:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

92-foot yacht ESSENCE

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Fails WP:NOT#NEWS. –Juliancolton | Talk 21:09, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Technically hasn't played on the field, but consensus is gonna be obvious. Wizardman 02:07, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

James Wyche

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Non-notable football player, never played a down in the NFL. Wizardman 21:04, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. G3, confirmed hoax. None of the listed reviews exist. Mgm|(talk) 10:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dots(wargaing)

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I can't verify that this game actually exists. The purported reviews don't seem to exist either. Therefore, I don't believe it passes WP:N. Wperdue (talk) 21:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is none. Such a criterion would also lead to the deletion of Tic-Tac-Toe. - Mgm|(talk) 10:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. per Cbl's evidence. College football isn't inherently notable though despite the other comment. Wizardman 02:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Simon

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Never played a down in the NFL. Non-notable. Wizardman 20:57, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep The Associated Press ran a story on Simon here in which Fulmer called Simon "one of the most dominant players to ever suit up for the Volunteers." I also found a feature story from The Sporting News on Simon (headlined "Captain Comeback") here. USA Today also ran a feature story on Simon here. These are major mainstream publications, all with feature stories on Simon. After viewing these stories, I have to change my vote to "Keep." The article needs to be developed, but there has been substantial mainstream media coverage, including feature articles, about Simon. I have to switch to "Keep." Playing a down in the NFL is a ground for automatic inclusion, but is not a requirement. College football players with significant media coverage of the type found here on Simon also meet notability standards. Cbl62 (talk) 23:05, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Nja247 10:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ian A. Vaughan

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Candidate for provincial legislature and former local legislator with no evidence of substantial independent coverage. Accordingly, he fails both the general notability guidelines and the specific guidelines for politicians. Were there a list of Reform candidates in the 2009 BC general election, I would have no qualms with turning this into a redirect to that list. In the absence of such a list, this page should be deleted altogether.

There are also conflict of interest/autobiography issues, since User:Haneyguy appeas to be Vaughan. —C.Fred (talk) 20:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Appears to be an elected official of minor notability and no likely interest outside the local area. eaolson (talk) 00:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Primary cell terminology

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This article claims, based on a reference written in 1911, that there is a problem with confusing terminology. In my view, this article is going to create more confusion than it prevents. It has no useful content for the modern reader. The bit about the conventional direction of current is misleading, since nowadays the positive current convention is almost universal.

I thought initially that I would propose a merger with Primary cell, just to avoid destroying any information since I'm an inclusionist at heart, but on reflection I can't find anything of value in this article. The only bit of information that's helpful is the last sentence, but that is repeated in the Primary cell article anyway. After that, all we need to say is that the cathode is marked as (+) and the anode as (-). Maybe somebody could make use of the 1911 book in an article about the history of electrochemistry, but it shouldn't be presented as current information. Heron (talk) 20:47, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is still opportunity for confusion. As you say, "the cathode is marked as (+) and the anode as (-)" but, in an electrolytic cell, the opposite is the case. Biscuittin (talk) 21:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
PS nothing has changed since 1911 so the information is not outdated. However, I am happy to merge it with Primary cell if you prefer. Biscuittin (talk) 21:49, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have added a summary of Primary cell terminology to Primary cell and I withdraw my objection to deletion. However, I see that Primary cell terminology has been nominated (not by me) to be copied to Wikiversity so please do not delete it until this has been done. Biscuittin (talk) 08:19, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your helpful replies. I'm happy with your addition to Primary cell, and I shall wait to see what happens with the transfer to Wikiversity before deleting Primary cell terminology. I still don't see what use the article will be to them, but that's their problem. --Heron (talk) 20:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I propose that we ignore the request to copy to Wikiversity and delete anyway, for two reasons:

  1. The article is misleading, as the alleged 'confusion' results from archaic terminology that is no longer used
  2. The request was made by an anon IP that has no history of replying to questions, so there is little chance of getting the requester to explain his or her reasoning, and therefore the request is unlikely to be acted upon. --Heron (talk) 17:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. No consensus to delete, at any rate; a merger can be discussed on the talk page.  Sandstein  05:48, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Berkeley riots

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The title itself is biased (assuming protests were "riots") and the article itself is unscholarly and quotes solely from right-wing sources. This is merely an attack article trying to push a certain point of view Greedyhalibut (talk) 20:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It obviously needs a new name, and it needs a large rewrite, but the topic itself is notable, though Free Speech Movement might be the best place to redirect it to till it's better. Extremely weak keep. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 20:57, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Appears notable, and has reasonable sources. If the objection is the name, then I think the first step would be to discuss that on the talk page. The nominator saying it quotes only from right-wing sources seems to be patently false, considering it uses material from such people as Jo Freeman. If anything I would have thought the objection would be to it being too left-wing. I certainly don't think the article can be called an attack page. Quantpole (talk) 22:17, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • After reading the last comment, I'd like to change my nomination to Merge. (The page is fairer than I thought the first time I read it - should have looked it over again before nominating.) Still, the title is a non-starter.
To clarify, my main complaints (which have to do with the title and the section on "influences"):
-The title is clear pushing a point of view
-The framework of the article is "antinomianism", a broad category which explains nothing beyond making silly pieces of analysis like: "the antinomian “treats his mind as if it were completely malleable, devalues reality, rejects reason and understanding, and selects certain experiences to create a fantasied, dogmatic cosmic view of the world.”"
-Undue weight is placed on musical groups as "influences" and the article makes highly speculative interpretations of these groups' work
-The relating of events is better, and should be merged into Free Speech Movement.Greedyhalibut (talk) 00:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
These all appear to be what you see as content problems, which isn't what AfD is about. AfD is about establishing reliability and notability. If there's a problem with content I'd have thought the first step would be discuss it on the talk page. Quantpole (talk) 10:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • From Original Posters

Problem 1: Greedyhalibut: You initially seemed to take great offense with this article, but later admitted that you hadn’t really read it and it was fairer than he believed. We elected to take your criticisms with a grain of salt as you seem to be pushing your own agenda; ignoring the sources we had backing our information.

Problem 2: The Page Name appears to be pushing a point of view: According to our findings, these protests are often clumped together and referred to as the “Berkeley Riots”, therefore, we found no reason to address this issue.

Problem 3: Issues with the Antinomian Section: We admitted that it was not clear that this was not a definite influence, although multiple scholarly sources state that it most likely was. We changed some of the language to reflect this, but chose to leave it in the page. If anyone else would like to do more research into this area they are more than welcome to, but our sources are legitimate and make sense.

Problem 4: Music Section It is in common agreement that the music of the era had a huge affect on the events during it, and our sources provide justification as to how they influenced them. We saw no reason to address this issue. Again, if anyone else would like to do more research into this area they are more than welcome to, but our sources are legitimate and make sense.

Problem 5: Events The events included in this page strictly refer to those that took place in/around Berkeley. The Free Speech Movement was nation-wide, and therefore we see no reason to move this section into the Free Speech Movement section.

This certainly was not meant to be an attack page, but if you disagree with the information wholeheartedly then we welcome you to do your own research and point out where ours in incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.135.92.37 (talk) 04:30, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the response. I still say Merge. The events section can be merged into Free Speech Movement, which does not indicate a nation-wide but a local movement. The antinomian and music sections represent the views of some scholars (not very good ones), but not a scholarly consensus on the events. Sorry, but the music stuff is just silly:
"In line with the antinomian personality, Hendrix came to this deduction as his inability to have power over his love life garnered a feeling of weakness within him. In order to counter this, Hendrix dismisses any thought of close relationships or responsibility, instead turning to purely sexual relationships"
The does not shed light on Berkeley in the 60s. And the title is still biased - just because the events are referred to that way does not make "riot" NPOVGreedyhalibut (talk) 04:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. per Clay Collier; if we have no source for the biographical essentials of a BLP, we have no basis for an article. There seems to be no suitable content for merging into an article about the Khazar.  Sandstein  05:47, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Alan Brook

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Non-notable fringe scholar who claims that Ashkenazi Jews are Khazar (Turkish) converts to Judaism. The article contains no reliable sources or mainstream reviews of his work. If some substance could be verified, a merge to the Khazar article might be more appropriate than a BLP. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 20:32, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep' Seems to have a decent number of hits on GBooks [22] GScholar. [23] Edward321 (talk) 03:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete' The entry is nothing but his book and his web site it has no content. It has the filler of listing both editions. The articles are derivative of the single book. The article should remove listing both editions of the book as separate. It seems self-promotional for his opinion. If we use the criteria for academics and authors then Brook, as a person does not make it. But his single book may make it. Therefore, he should be merged into Khazars. --Jayrav (talk) 12:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It's not the accepted theory, but its sufficiently important to be included here, along with its notable proponents. His main book was published by a mainstream academic publisher, and his first listed encyclopedia aerticle by a leading theological and humanities publisher, His book wasreviewed by multiple mainstream sources--see [24] The reviewsshould be added, and they show the notability. DGG (talk) 03:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The theory is given full presentation at the Khazar article and the book is featured. The theory may be notable but the author is NN. We are debating Kevin Alan Brook, not the Khazar theory of ashkenazim. The review belongs in the khazar article. --Jayrav (talk) 11:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Merged to The Fixxers by User:Michig. Malinaccier (talk) 02:30, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Midnight Life

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Unreleased album without any reference that establish notability Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:34, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Pidgin (software). Stifle (talk) 08:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Carrier (software)

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Non-notable fork of IM software Pidgin (and an especially minor, barely changed one at that); only a few minor mentions in blog posts, and the article has been proposed for deletion and speedy deletion in the past, citing notability issues. GraYoshi2x►talk 20:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to numerous blogs, it made it on slashdot, which is fairly significant as it is a high traffic site. The software is still kept up to date (the current version for download is 2.5.5, the same as Pidgin). In addition, previous attempts to merge the controversy into the Pidgin article have been systematically deleted in the past, so it's probably best to have its own (small) article where users that are interested, can read up on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.13.83.10 (talk) 15:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's equivalent to getting a blog post onto the front page of Digg. What does that really amount to in terms of notability? I mean, sure there's a bit of praise and bits of interest being shown in the comments, but it all dies down after a day and the subject is quickly forgotten. GraYoshi2x►talk 21:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Previous attempts to integrate it into the Pidgin page had all of the information removed since the Pidgin editors felt it was spamming the page -- so I moved it back to its own page. I think a separate page is probably better, this way the Pidgin page can just have a single line about it that references the larger page, if people are interested in finding out more about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.64.20.230 (talk) 14:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Simply because editors reject it on Pidgin doesn't necessarily mean that it must then deserve an article of its own, especially when it seems to fail notability guidelines and relies mostly on original research to support details. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. GraYoshi2x►talk 21:11, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Redirect to Pidgin (software) and add a sentence or two about the forking drama. That's what's notable, not so much the software result itself (similar in spirit to WP:BLP1E). The software doesn't really sound notable itself except as in relation to the parent-project. Excluding info related to the forking from the forked package, especially since the forking seems notable an clearly related to Pidgin. I think a slashdot main-page picked item is a source of notability for what it's actually about (again, the forking drama). DMacks (talk) 05:41, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. The consensus is that the article should be kept as media coverage exists though it needs to be cleaned up. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fireflies festival

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non-notable festival. References are all to blogs, which are of course the most reliable sources in existence. Ironholds (talk) 20:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep there are a couple of reliable sources as discussed above. They should be included in the article and yes it needs a huge cleanup. In addition there are plenty of notable performers. Lastly, thank goodness no one was injured by the scorpion last year. Drawn Some (talk) 19:33, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 03:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Retro Stefson

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non notable band. I believe that a label released album is enough assertion of notability to warrant a deletion discussion instead of speedy deletion A7. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 19:56, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not speedy (at least not anymore) since the first reference shows the subject is on a record label. ~EdGl ★ 22:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to List of Doraemon media. Cirt (talk) 03:55, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nobita and the Animal Planet 2008

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Alternate version of a article that was has previously been through AFD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doraemon The Musical: Nobita and the Animal Planet) and was merged with List of Doraemon media. Article is for a stage play that ran for only a few months in a single country in a foreign language. I think it is telling that the Japanese wiki itself has no equivalent for the article - some information is included on the page there for the original film version but it does not have it's own page as we do here. I'd advocate merging with the film article here, but we don't have one - it redirects back to this article. Shiroi Hane (talk) 20:44, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Nja247 10:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gil'ad Be'eri

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badly referenced, BLP. Sources are either primary or user contributed. The article has a difficult time establishing notability. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 19:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I couldn't find much on the Hebrew side. No article in the he wp (which is usually good at least with people articles) and then only one link to a poetry site. --Shuki (talk) 17:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 20:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marzena Kamizela

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Per WP:BLP1E: asserts notability as a model, but coverage is limited to a minor air rage incident w/ sources demonstrating no career-wise depth of coverage. Has no Swedish Wiki entry, which further indicates non-notability to me.  Mbinebri  talk ← 19:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

She is mentioned in relationship with the on-going debate on the plane companies zero-tolerance regarding normal Nordic behavior abroad and lack of respect of the sideeffects on flying anxiety. Her case is also believed to be important in relationship with the blatant discrimination made on poor passengers compared with rich ones. As it is mentioned in her article the international standard for cases of air-rage was made with the Peter Buck case. The plane company did choose to abandon her on an rural and backward area where the culture calls for strict punishment of outsiders. The article should not be deleted. Maybe it should be integrated with other articles. 62.243.186.70 (talk) 21:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that the article should stay. The reason that she has no page on the Swedish wikipedia is that she is half Polish. Lately non-swedish ethnic groups have caused a lot of disturbance and crime in the south of Sweden. They are in a process of rewriting their story, so she will have to be on the Polish wikipedia instead because then the right wing part of their parliament can claim that she was yet another foreigner going beseark. That does not make her less Swedish or known overthere. 87.48.134.50 (talk) 22:07, 26 April 2009 (UTC) — 87.48.134.50 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
I changed ISP April 1 2009 and used to operated under 81.19.225.98. 87.48.134.50 (talk) 07:39, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article should stay. She is properly on the Polish wikipedia rather than the Swedish because people from Eastern Europe have a bad reputation in the nordic countries after Poland has joined EU. Second she is a symbol of the injustice committed by airline companies. Next time they will properly drop gay passengers off in Iran, so they can be hanged. She was of no danger to the plane, so they should have given her to the US authorities or the authorities back in England. But the court system in UK has made a clear statement with the Peter Buck case, so that's maybe who they choose to drop her off in that hell-hole. I am Danish. I have seen Southpark. I know what this country stands for. 80.160.33.94 (talk) 08:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment "A symbol of the injustice committed by airline companies"? Kamizela got drunk on a plane, went into a rage, and spent a week in jail for it. The event has no apparent importance, and it's still just one event.  Mbinebri  talk ← 13:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As it states in the Swedish newpapers, she took the treatment for flying anxiety which by most house doctors is to drink alcohol and combine it with one sleeping pill. The Swedish expert in the local newspaper confirmed that this widespread approach can backfire in some cases. It seems that the Polish media is full with articles about her. Maybe you can google translate something there. I believe that there is more to her story than just this incident but I havn't time right now to investigate. If you choose to remove her, you can remove May Andersen also. I support that it was injustice. A similar incident happened with the Danish actor Ole Thestrup and it was also a miscarriage of justice. I have been flying to Spain in 70's a lot and it is normal for people to get drunk. The plane companies prefer it and continues to serve free alcohol for that purpose. Covergaard (talk) 14:27, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete unless she can be shown to be notable as a model. This is what BLP One Event and Do No Harm is properly about--a single incident having no connection with any underlying notability, for a not very well known person, that shows them in a poor light. If she is notable as a model, then the article must be rewritten around that, not this incident. DGG (talk) 03:29, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. The case brought so much outrage in the nordic countries where people are tired of the arrogant behavior of the plane companies. Maybe if it is deleted it should be merged into the air rage article. Her approach to fight flying axience was (alcohol+pills) by the book if you ask family doctors here and it just went wrong. But while people have been busy critizing the lack of modeling information in English about her, none have tried to locate info in the Polish language. Are articles on this wikipedia to be US centered or on world-wide-view Covergaard (talk) 19:17, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 03:55, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My First HELLO!

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Non-notable band per WP:MUSIC, unreferenced, can find no info about them online: remote possibility that article is a hoax. MuffledThud (talk) 19:24, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy G12 by Ged UK. Non-admin closure. Tevildo (talk) 18:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Michigan Manufacturing Technology Center

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I'm not sure if this article is notable enough, and the article is written like an ad. mynameinc 18:37, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy Delete - the reason it looks like and advertisement is because the material is copied from the coompany's web site. Tagged as for speedy deletion as a copyright violation. -- Whpq (talk) 20:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Nja247 10:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ruusu Hiao Jun

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I cannot find any reliable sources - or any sources whatsoever - that could be used to verify the information in this biography of a living person. Google gives absolutely nothing (for her or her school) and the lack of sourcing in English for a supposedly English trained dancer makes me suspicious that the article may be a hoax. Guest9999 (talk) 18:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I second this, she seems to be either non-notable or non-existent Fahrenheit 18:13, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. The "KEEP" opinions generally do not address the pertinent points of our inclusion guidelines.  Sandstein  05:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maged Salah Al-din

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No evidence in article, and I can find no evidence, that he meets either our criteria at WP:ACADEMIC or WP:BIO Dougweller (talk) 17:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As the creation of the article and the comment above are your only edits, you may know very little about our policies and guidelines. We can't take your word for this I'm afraid. It's not that we doubt you, but we need evidence. Read the links I mention above about notability and WP:VERIFY and WP:RS. You have about a week to come up with some reliable, verifiable sources that show that this writer is notable. Links to the press controversy would certainly be useful. Dougweller (talk) 18:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP you can delete any academic writes, but he is Well known Egyptian writer, yes his books have reviews Egyptian-2009
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Comment You can only add one 'keep' or 'delete', and it should be based on Wikipedia related arguments to do with our criteria at WP:ACADEMIC or WP:BIO - have you read those links? We need evidence from reliable and verifiable sources backing your claims. Writing a book is not enough, and so far we don't even have evidence for that (I'm not saying he's written no books, I'm saying we have no evidence for that. I did look using Google first. No evidence found there about him. Dougweller (talk) 12:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Egyptian-2009: Do you have any links to/scans of Egyptian newspaper articles which talk about his book? Either Arabic or English will be acceptable. cab (talk) 01:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Incidentally, the book mentioned above by Egyptian-2009, "Tahafout Al-Akadimea", does actually exist (see Google Books; it's in Worldcat a few different times [27][28][29] and looks like it's held by a total of 10 libraries in the US—Library of Congress + various university libraries); offline sources may exist, though I have my doubts. cab (talk) 01:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and Edit The book "Tahafout Al-Akadimea" is original from the University of Michigan [30], and Maged Salah Al-Din is a great genealogist in Egypt. As well as he rebuild Sociology by his book "Al-Aa'raab Fi Al-Mizaan". You can edit what you see wrong or not appropriate in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nahla abbas (talk • contribs) 10:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • KEEP You can edit the page, not to delete a page about one of the famous writers in Egypt. About the book "Tahafout Al-Akadimea" I think you can read here [31] that Michigan University prepared a digital copy of the book, and that means (when Michigan University do that) that the book is so important. Keep the page. Nour egypt —Preceding undated comment added 10:57, 3 May 2009 (UTC).[reply]
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We have our own criteria for people and books, and being digitised is not one of them. I've seen claims that there has been controversy in the Egyptian press, but no evidence. We've found evidence that the book is in very few libraries so far I understand it, another suggestion it isn't notable. If he was a great sociologist, there would be evidence for that in the professional sociology journals, and that hasn't been forthcoming either. If he's one of the most famous writers in Egypt, why isn't there at least Egyptian evidence (and you would definitely expect evidence from sources in other countries as well). No one (I'm not sure how many editors we have here arguing for Keep) has produced any evidence that meets our criteria. Dougweller (talk) 12:37, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Nja247 10:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The New Faces of Jazz

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Contested prod. Radio show aired on a college radio station. Its popularity on the campus is asserted, but the article says nothing about whether it is even known outside the campus. Delete.  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 17:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nja247 10:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Charlie Green (singer)

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WP:BLP1E, no sources, so fails WP:BIO and WP:NOTABILITY. Otterathome (talk) 17:05, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Did you ever take a look at WP:BEFORE, including the passage "When nominating an article for deletion due to sourcing or notability concerns, make a good-faith attempt to confirm that such sources aren't likely to exist"? --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 17:58, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is your job to see if sources exist, per WP: ATD: If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion. To know that, you need to do your homework. It's just good manners. And no Gaming the system! ~ Wakanda's Black Panther!♠/♦ 22:51, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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information Administrator note The "keep" decision below was changed to no consensus after discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_May_4.--Aervanath (talk) 06:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


The result was keep. No solid consensus, thus defaulting to keep, which I think had a more solid following anyhow after consideration of all things said. Nja247 08:31, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hollie Steel

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WP:BLP1E, currently with 1 source, so fails WP:BIO and WP:NOTABILITY. Otterathome (talk) 17:02, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep The article is only a few hours old and the nomination does not seem to have considered good alternatives to deletion per WP:BEFORE. Given the precedents of Susan Boyle and Shaheen Jafargholi, we can expect thousands of readers here looking for information and so it is absurd for this name to lead nowhere here. WP:BLP1E is not appropriate because the person is the topic, not some larger event in which she played an incidental part. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think I am mistaken, the source only exists because of her appearance in the show. I can't read the article, but I somehow I doubt it doesn't talk about her appearance in the show. Because, does every minor who nearly loses an organ get in the news? No.--Otterathome (talk) 17:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • You are still misunderstanding and misapplying WP:BLP1E which says, "if the individual's role within it is substantial", they merit coverage. It is only if they "essentially remains a low-profile individual" that coverage is not merited. This is not the case here - the subject is now a notable star, her history is notable and this is demonstrated by coverage of all aspects of her life. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is entirely WP:CRYSTAL sounds, "If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a particular event, and if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, low profile, then a separate biography is unlikely to be warranted." can you find any sources not published this month because of her appearance? If not, then WP:BLP1E still applies.--Otterathome (talk) 17:57, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • My interpetation of almost certain to take place is a little narrower. The finals of Britain's got talent IMO is almost certain to take place. That Steel is going to be in it, not so much. That it is almost certain that something will become notable, is not something I believe WP:CRYSTAL is supposed to be supporting, but rather seems exactly what it is warning against. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • She's currently the 9/2 second favorite. The only way she's not going the distance is some kind of accdent/disqualification which would cause an even greater media frenzy. Colonel Warden (talk) 20:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep As the author of the article I vote we keep it. The power of wikipedia is that it can be timely and keep up to events and popular culture in real time. We don't need to be controlled by an elite like a traditional encyclopedia editorial board. Yes, just like Susan Boyle and Paul Potts, this young lady is taking the Internet by storm. As of my writing this opinion over 600,000 views have been made on youtube.com of videos showing Steel's performance. Wikipedia can afford a few bytes to keep an article about a this young lade. User: Dane C. Sorensen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.0.219.252 (talk) 18:51, 26 April 2009 (UTC) Sorry, I forgot to sign in, but I did right the above. And the count is now over a 1,000,000 on youtube! Dane Sorensen[reply]
  • This AfD conversation is mentioned on Britain's Got Talent. Ikip (talk) 19:17, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep, snowball keep per above. Ikip (talk) 19:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom to Britain's Got Talent (series 3). This is a 1E right now, and it can be broken out if something long-term comes out of this. Right now it's three sentences and before I edited it down to that, it sounded like a grossly spammy press release. It's hardly a snowball keep by the way, her near loss of an organ, unless reported at the time of her loss of an organ because she was, seems irrelevant. She's hardly the only four year old to have had pneumonia when she was young. Also, WP:NOT#DEMOCRACY and WP:ATA; given she's been famous for two days now, it's really quite premature to have any substantial coverage. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 21:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete textbook 1E case. We bent the rules for Boyle because she is clearly notable - having being parodied on South Park - and is a very notable interest story on the other side of the pond, none of the other BGT series 3 contestants have risen to the notability required to surpass the 1E. I could make a similar case for DJ Talent (who got through last night) or Dan Kahn (who didn't). With only three auditions out of the seven done, and speaking as someone who knows a bit about this crap, we can't really trust the betting market as a sign of popularity as they're in flux. When she gets the recording contract/RVS performance, then she'll be notable, but I doubt she will be beforehand. Can be adequately covered in the series 3 article. Sceptre (talk) 22:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Fact checking: DJ Talent is notable for two events, and so is Shaheen. However, Hollie still isn't. Sceptre (talk) 15:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect and merge to Series 3 article. Not notable at present (despite a few newspaper reports). Quantpole (talk) 22:55, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep She has newspaper coverage, which means she qualifies for an article under the current wikipedia rules. Dream Focus 03:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect to the appropriate series article for Britain's Got Talent. Boyle was widely reported on because of the Youtube hits she generated and how her appearance impacted her fame. Jafargholi appeared in a children's television show and toured as young Michael Jackson is a musical/concert tour in at least 3 different countries. So both Jafargholi and Boyle have had significant impact outside the show, which I do not yet see for Hollie Steel. - Mgm|(talk) 08:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Good refs now. BUC (talk) 11:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Textbook BLP1E. The article doesn't even mention anything she's done outside that one appearance on BGT! - Brian Kendig (talk) 13:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please read the text book and quote the part where it says to delete anything. All I see is "In such cases, a merge of the information and a redirect of the person's name to the event article are usually the better options.". So your conclusion doesn't match the guideline you cite. Colonel Warden (talk) 13:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Usually the better options." In this case, the 1E is "appeared on a TV show". I see nothing to differentiate this contestant from other contestants who've appeared on similar TV shows and do not have Wikipedia articles. If she were listed with all the other contestants of Britain's Got Talent, as is done with articles for some other reality TV shows, I wouldn't have a problem with that. - Brian Kendig (talk) 17:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • You are misinterpreting both policies. WP:NOT#NEWS is directed at routine news like weather reports and road accidents. This topic is not routine, as demonstrate by the worldwide coverage. And WP:BLP1E doesn't mean what you assert as we have lots of articles about people notable for just one thing, such as Rosa Parks and Gavrilo Princip. The point of this guideline is that people on the fringes of a famous event do not merit separate articles if they are not the focus of the event. An example in this case would be Hollie Steel's brother. He gets quite a few mentions for appearing in the same audition and for his mentoring of his sister. But he doesn't rate separate coverage because he is not the focus of the reporting. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:03, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • We use English language sources by preference as this is the English language Wikipedia. But please see:
  1. Hollie Steel, la nueva rival de Susan Boyle - Spain
  2. Hollie Steel va-t-elle voler la vedette à Susan Boyle ? - France
  3. Hollie Steel macht Susan Boyle Konkurrenz - Germany
  4. Állva tapsolt Hollie-nak a közönség a brit „Csillag születik - Hungary
  5. Hollie (10) kan stoppe Susan Boyles drøm - Norway
  6. HOLLIE, 10 ANNI, NUOVO IDOLO BOOM DEL VIDEO SU YOUTUBE - Italy
  7. 蘇珊大媽自塑形象被損 《英國達人》有驚人發現 - China
  8. Hollie Steel Emerges As Competition For Susan Boyle On 'Britain's Got Talent' - USA— Preceding unsigned comment added by Colonel Warden (talk • contribs)
  • Rosa Parks merits an article for being an icon of the civil rights movement. The coverage of her in secondary sources is sustained, persistent over time, and of great length. Her contribution to the history of the United States is enduring and significant. Hollie Steel is a flash-in-the-pan celebrity (a game show contestant for crying out loud) who may or may not attain lasting historical significance. In fact, odds are very strong against it. This is precisely what WP:BLP1E and WP:NOT#NEWS are about: keeping the encyclopedia from becoming cluttered with biographies of people enjoying their 15 minutes of fame. RayTalk 02:17, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, from BLP1E, "If the event is significant, and/or if the individual's role within it is substantial, a separate article for the person may be appropriate." Massive difference between Rosa Parks' iconic status in the civil rights movement and a prepubescent game show contestant on an ongoing show. BGT is not an event, it's a TV reality show and there's a huge difference between an inciting event in the sweeping change of race relations in the US, and Simon Cowell hurting her feelings and it getting reported as a bit of fluff in the news. This deletion debate should be re-opened after she gets booted off and the discussion resumed then. We can't tell right now if she's truly a BLP1E or not. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 13:53, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How do we judge significance? Per WP:N, this is not done by asserting our personal feelings. Notability is established by the extent to which other media cover the topic. In this case, we have lots of coverage and so the topic is notable. There's no WP:FLUFF policy which lets you pick and choose. Colonel Warden (talk) 14:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Did you just equate Rosa Parks, whose actions had far-reaching consequences for American life and who has been profiled in every school textbook on American history published in the last few decades, with a preteen game show contestant? Seriously? — Gwalla | Talk 15:47, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So what you're saying is WP:BLP1E doesn't apply to American icons. I'm saying that it doesn't apply to outstanding British singers who get lots of press coverage. There's room enough for both and no requirement to delete either. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:18, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If the event is significant, and/or if the individual's role within it is substantial, a separate article for the person may be appropriate. You're saying that the Civil Rights Movement was insignificant? (Also, for the record, Rosa Parks's public fame came from one act, but it's hardly the only significant thing she did). This little kid's (single, AFAICT) appearance on a TV talent show is not in the same ballpark, not in the same league, not even in the same sport. I wouldn't necessarily oppose a redirect to the season article, but there's no way this little girl merits an article of her own, and frankly there isn't much of substance to merge. — Gwalla | Talk 18:29, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
5 out of 8 of those sources mention Susan Boyle in the title, and I'd imagine the rest are all about her appearance in the show. Making it a perfect WP:BLP1E case. If you believe it is an exception to this, then you will find plenty more sources to add to the article.--Otterathome (talk) 14:09, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
BLP1E: If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a particular event, and if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, low profile, then a separate biography is unlikely to be warranted. Since the biography currently exists, I read that as "recommending deletion." Incidentally, Rosa Parks is covered by the third paragraph of BLP1E: If the event is significant, and/or if the individual's role within it is substantial. - Brian Kendig (talk) 16:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Your reading is incorrect. Per WP:BLPDEL, "Page deletion should be treated as a last resort". The equation that WP:BLP1E = deletion is quite mistaken. If there aren't enough sources for a reasonable article then the obvious alternative, as stated, is merger into the article about the 1E. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Do you feel that 'merge and redirect' would be an appropriate outcome? You have a point with your comment above about the American Idol participants being in Wikipedia; do you feel there should be a Britain's Got Talent participants article, and would you have any interest in starting it? - Brian Kendig (talk) 12:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are numerous articles for this show per Template:Britain's Got Talent. If this article were merged it might either go into Britain's Got Talent (series 3) or Susan Boyle. Colonel Warden (talk) 16:45, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
'keep' and punish for nominating after just 2 hours... rediculous.--Dacium (talk) 09:51, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a rationale, that's a vote, which is specifically cautioned against WP:JUSTAVOTE. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 13:53, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If Wikipedia did not have an article on such a newsworthy person, it would detract from the whole point of this resource. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spotvega (talk • contribs) 15:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Enough with nominating every single BgT performer for deletion. Because the news has already made her an international celebrity, and given her age, she definitely passes WP:N. And per previous precedents, Susan Boyle and Shaheen Jafargholi, this article should stay. --haha169 (talk) 04:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Neutral Technically a delete as per Nom as she has simply passed a first round audition for a TV show and had one interview on American TV but nothing else on British TV. Nothing in the article of much interest, just where she comes from and her medical history. If she later 'places' in the contest would then come under WP:MUSICBIO so would require the article to be recreated especially if Simon Cowell tries to exploit her. Can't see harm in keeping it open to save having to recreate it later. I know it is probably against WP:CRYSTAL .Holkingers (talk) 11:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Appearing on a talent show does not assert notability. If she gains some more plausible claim to notability, recreate the article, just not now. HJMitchell You rang? 15:11, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep For things like this I'd be tempted to say "redirect", but she is notably sourced and whether one likes it or not (and I usually don't) some reality show contestants do meet notability standards before they win. (Or even if they never win)--T. Anthony (talk) 20:16, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete No real notability besides a few articles. She's done nothing else besides BGT (unlike Shaheen Jafargholi) and even then she has not had a profound impact on the show (unlike Susan Boyle. If Hollie Steel deserves an article then so do most of the other contestants on the show. Ixistant (talk) 06:25, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Mgm|(talk) 09:54, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Joos Horsten

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Non-notable businessman, no other significant activities or discoveries. MBisanz talk 16:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Nja247 10:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Russo

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Nonsense, BLP violating interview named as a biography MBisanz talk 16:38, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Keep, slow speedy. No delete!votes and nom appears to agree that the BLPiE concern has been addressed. StarM 01:11, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Miller (chairman)

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Non-notable, barely a 1-hit CEO, not inherently notable. MBisanz talk 16:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I will agree that based on the new facts added to the article, he is no longer a BLP1E. MBisanz talk 03:41, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Nja247 10:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dance 4 Me (Louie Jordan Song)

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This page about a non-notable song as well as non-notable artist Louie Jordan fails WP:MUSIC. Also, a YouTube description says that Louie Jordan is produced by FTW Records, an organization the page creator seems to be affiliated with. Therefore the page is also COI. CanadianNine 16:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Timbaland. Nja247 10:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shock Value 2

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Non-notable unreleased album with little or no media coverage of substance. Fails WP:NALBUMS. TheJazzDalek (talk) 15:13, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nja247 10:09, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Consortium of Bangsamoro Civil Society

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An advertising piece with no apparent independent sources TS 14:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: I added three external links that indicate notability - there are many more. Clearly a significant and active organization. The article is very poor, mostly just information published by the organization on its website and far from neutral. It needs a drastic clean-up to meet Wikipedia guidelines. But that is not a reason for deletion. System787 has improved the article considerably. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:02, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: I am the creator of the article. Thank you for the heads up. I will modify the article to meet Wikipedia guidelines. I have already previously responded to the first notification of deletion (which had the reason it looked like a propaganda material) and deleted some portions on the page that looked like propaganda material (this in consultation with the Info Mgmt department head of our organization) and subsequently removed the first notification. We have noted the advise to add more solid references that are found in the internet and we will do so soonest. But to make this process expedient, we would like to know which parts of the article make it look like an advertisement, so that we can delete these parts or modify these soonest. Thank you. (Ahpangcoga (talk) 05:23, 20 April 2009 (UTC))[reply]
  • Keep: I took the liberty of editing it. I believe that information about the CBCS is a value-added knowledge for Wikipedia. (System787 (talk) 13:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC))[reply]
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The result was keep. Nja247 10:09, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RadCon

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Notability; no reliable, published, third party sources. Prod deleted without sourcing article. -- Jeandré, 2009-04-19t12:25z 12:25, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep I found another source other than the ones you mentioned: [41]. I personally think that this solidly meets WP:N. The three articles here are written in detail about the topic, we now have two independent sources, and if you read the articles, you will find that the convention has been going for over 16 years. It may not be interesting to everyone but I certainly think it is worth keeping and I certainly think it meets WP:N. Cazort (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Fine for a blog of fan site, but how does a local station writeup make it encyclopedically notable.? -- Jeandré, 2009-04-19t14:51z
      • I tend to want to keep local interests more often than other users. I personally believe that coverage in local sources, for an uncontroversial topic such as this one, is sufficient to establish notability. But I'm aware that this is in conflict with the proposed guidelines on WP:NLI, which incidentally I don't agree with. So, I understand where you're coming from but I must respectfully disagree and still say that I believe we should keep this page (along with other, similar cases). At the very minimum, I would prefer to Merge this article into Pasco, WA rather than delete it. One rationale, however, for keeping this article separate would be that (a) even according to the stricter standards on WP:NLI, reading: "local sources (such as local newspapers) may be used without limit to include and verify information contained within the article", the sources given are enough to establish fairly extensive coverage of this topic, and (b) including all that material on the page for Pasco, WA, would make that page long and unbalanced. Cazort (talk) 19:12, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - due to the lack of coverage beyond the local press. I do not think local press alone can be relied on to be the basis of a neutral, verifiable encyclopaedia article or establish a topics notability per the general notability guideline. Local press covers something because it happens locally, on a slow week (most weeks) almost anything can receive coverage. As they are generally supported and staffed by the local community they report on, I do not think they can be counted on to present the news in a neutral fashion and - whilst this is not the case across the board - their editorial standards often leave a lot to be desired. Guest9999 (talk) 18:37, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:RS is WP:RS. An editorial staff with a reputation for fact-checking, does not set a minimum or maximun limit of circulation or coverage. Rewrite RS and then rewrite WP:N. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • My point is I do not believe that most local newspapers have the reputation for fact checking and accuracy that is required by WP:RS for - among others - the reasons I gave above. Most articles like the one's given here are really just a form of advertising for the local community, with accuracy and scrutiny over detail not at the forefront of the staff's mind; circulation has nothing to do with it. WP:N requires significant coverage, the major headline in my local newspaper last week was something along the lines of "cat rescued from tree", whilst it may have been an in-depth account I put it to you that neither the cat nor the rescuer or indeed the incident itself would be deemed worthy of inclusion in the encyclopaedia. Guest9999 (talk) 11:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't think it's safe to assume that local news sources have less integrity than national ones...if anything, when it comes to local events they can sometimes be more reliable because they know the area, know the local events, and often have staff with slightly more time on their hands. Also, I think that the standards of editorial integrity ought to vary for different topics. This topic is highly non-controversial! I think it's good to be skeptical of the integrity of a source when there is good reason to believe that there could be an incentive for the information to be false, or at least, a high likelihood that the information is sloppy. But I don't see any reason this would be the case here. Cazort (talk) 14:51, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per cazort, sources make it notable. Ikip (talk) 21:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep article about notable genre-specific film festival. Send to WP:CLEANUP for further sourcing. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • weak keep Local sources aren't generally good enough per WP:ORG, which might apply to a Con. But it isn't clear and it meets WP:N just barely. Hobit (talk) 02:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Non-notable? I posted the article because RadCon is one of the longest-running conventions in Washington. It isn't as famous as some conventions like DragonCon or GenCon, but it is a pretty good sized convention and it is larger and older than many of the conventions on the sci-fi convention list. I feel the convention is notable because it essentially serves 3 large areas that are very far from any other conventions, namely South Eastern Washington, Eastern Oregon and Idaho, and it attracts people from all three states. I believe part of the reason for the lack of sources is the area in which the convention is located. There are no major news outlets in the area, only small local papers and TV stations, all of which are usually too busy writing stories about cow tippers and barn fires to bother doing any actual reporting on the convention. So, I think the convention is notable, and that it's essentially the disadvantages of it's geographical location that are to blame for the lack of sources. PapilioNireus (talk) 21:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Nja247 10:09, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pure hell classic punk

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I doubt notability ViperSnake151  Talk  14:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Band is indeed notable - Very early punk pioneer - predates Sex Pistols, Clash, etc. - Note the articles in Swindle, on in the Philly City Paper and Rocktober Magazine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greedyhalibut (talk • contribs) 15:13, 26 April 2009 (UTC) *Definitely Keep Needs expansion, but band is essential to documentation of the history of the genre.User:rich1451[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination reason no longer applies to the current article. The rewrite has been considered good enough to keep by a unanimous decision. Mgm|(talk) 07:57, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yellow Star (Book)

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Article consists only of an unsalvageable, ungrammatical nonsense plot summary Special-T (talk) 14:13, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Nja247 10:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bangladesh–Hungary relations

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another random combination. no evidence of notable relations. non resident ambassadors. LibStar (talk) 14:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

the above cannot be considered a vote for keep, it does not assess the notability of relations. this was heading for WP:SNOW. LibStar (talk) 02:44, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:59, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Japan–Malta relations

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another random combination from the obsessive creator. one state visit doesn't justify an article. no evidence of any agreements between these countries. non resident ambassadors. LibStar (talk) 13:34, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

the above cannot be considered a vote for keep, it does not assess the notability of relations. heading for WP:SNOW LibStar (talk) 02:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
sure it can be considered a valid & reasonable !vote for keep, you may equally reasonably think otherwise, but that's another matter. DGG (talk) 04:09, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - this is one of a series of "Japan-Country X" bilateral relation articles, which is in turn part of a larger "Country X-Country Y" series - all of which aricles could be improved through expansion with history of relations, trade figures, cultural exchange, and referencing. Notability is subjective, and simply because many of these articles are currently stubs is not grounds for deletion. --MChew (talk) 03:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That would set a dangerous precedent. Yes, some of these probably could be expanded, but we shouldn't have to sift through all the articles to figure out which. This user was blocked back in February and we're still cleaning up the mess. When someone creates an article effort should be made to make it the best article the creator can possibly make. They should not write half-finished articles and rely others to make them fit the criteria. - Mgm|(talk) 07:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, they should not have been written this way. It's a very bad example, that has unreasonably made enormous extra work for many people. But having been written, removing them without working on them is an almost equally bad precedent, again making unnecessary work that could have been used to improve them. The authors have a responsibility, and everyone who sees an article after that may not have an individual responsibility to help them, but the community does. What everyone does have is a responsibility not to actively prevent possible improvement. DGG (talk) 04:09, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep. This could easily be improved into a decent article. As it is, it's nothing impressive, but there is some evidence of a relationship. This is part of a movement, in large part thanks to the nominator, of attempting to eradicate all such articles, regardless of whether the two countries actually have a relationship. Respectfully, the nominator should exercise due diligence before getting trigger happy with the AfD tags. HJMitchell You rang? 15:17, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete- having thoroughly searched for sources on this relationship, it appears my assertion that the article could be improved was mistaken. As such, my remarks to that effect are stricken, however, my comment on the wider issue stands. HJMitchell You rang? 15:25, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Nja247 10:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of The Sims 2 premade characters

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Bringing to AfD due to suggestion in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of The Sims 3 premade characters. In-universe fictional material with notability issues. (WP:GAMECRUFT / WP:N). As BryanG pointed out, compare with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Canon Sims Characters, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Characters in the Sims 2, and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of pre-made characters in The Sims Marasmusine (talk) 13:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Icestorm815 • Talk 00:34, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of movie theatres in Bahrain

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Wikipedia is not a directory and 'movie theatres in Bahrain' is not notable. Dougweller (talk) 13:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NOT. Not notable. Thanks, Genius101Guestbook 13:22, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was default keep, as there's no solid consensus. Nja247 08:30, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Barbados–Turkey relations

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no evidence of notable relationship. only intent which is covered like a news story WP:NOT#NEWS. LibStar (talk) 13:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - an article built of half speculation, half trivia. Barbados and Turkey "may cooperate" on tourism: so? That's hardly indicative there's much of a relationship going on; certainly there aren't any sources studying the relationship as such, only a news item the article creator has decided forms part of a notable relationship, but ends up prioritizing irrelevant trivia and breaching WP:SYNTH by jumping to conclusions about what is and is not notable in the relationship. - Biruitorul Talk 13:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep - When I say weak keep, full emphasis on the weak. The entire second paragraph is a load of WP:CRYSTAL and WP:NOR. However there is quite a lot about tourism which happens to be Barbados key asset, per WP:GNG I have provided some secondary sources, which in my opinion is usually good enough for a keep. -Marcusmax(speak) 14:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete When there is nothing going on, that fact can be mentioned in Foreign relations of Barbados and Foreign relations of Turkey, where its more likely to be viewed in context. An x-y article should be maintained only in those cases where there's evidence that the two nations each consider the relationship to be notable. Mandsford (talk) 14:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per Mandsford.--Moloch09 (talk) 14:28, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Once again, a randomly created article that does nothing to assert notability in world affairs, and is not likely to be able to. --BlueSquadronRaven 15:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep It needs expansion. It is an outline of the beginning framework of the political/economic integration deal signed between the EU and CARICOM last year. Refernces from the governments of both nations were provided. So far Caribbean nationals (in the musical and cultural industries) are to be allowed free movement into Europe Union under the terms of EPA.[44] Out of the Caribbean, Africa, and Pacific bloc I believe only the Caribbean signed on to the deal with Europe. [45] Due to that signing the powers of the EU parliament are now supposed to be binding upon the CARICOM bloc of countries (which IMHO they signed that deal in haste).[46] As mentioned, should Turkey join the EU this would provide an additional tie between Turkey and Barbados outside of the current aid provided by Turkey to the region. CaribDigita (talk) 15:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Barbados and the European Union relations I thought about too. It might be something to consider, however I thought that it sounded like it could be a little misleading. It sounds a bit like Barbados was going to be joining the EU or something and I don't think that's going to happen. It might be better to reverse back up to the main Foreign relations of Barbados and Foreign relations of Turkey. E.g. The part about the Tourism as a form of technical cooperation in the Barbados article. And the part about Turkey being an Observer in the Association of Caribbean States (ACS) and Caribbean Sea Commission in the Turkey article. As Turkey's agenda of covering deeper relations with the LAC region. CaribDigita (talk) 21:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Such discussions generally have no "outcome". Mandsford (talk) 00:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't preempt the outcome of the discussion. A possible outcome of the discussion is the creation of additional notability criteria. The discussion at Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Bilateral international relations is directly related to Wikipedia_talk:Notability#Notability_of_Bilateral_Relations. Deletion could preempt the result of the discussion which could see the development of additional criteria for notability. The nominator has ignored requests not to continue nominating these articles for deletion until the centralized discussion on notability has been resolved[47]. The nominator's behavior is rather disruptive. Martintg (talk) 01:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And folks can talk all they want to. But as far as I can tell, none of the regulars participating in these AfD discussions here -- BlueSquadron, Biriturol, WilyD, me, etc. --- was ever invited to that discussion when it was started by User:Tone, and it's already out of hand. Let us know what you folks decided, but please don't ask us to stop this discussion. Mandsford (talk) 13:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
the above cannot be considered a vote for keep, it does not assess the notability of relations. LibStar (talk) 01:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOHARM as you state, is not a valid reason for keep. LibStar (talk) 02:11, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Theeconomic relations cited above are substantial enough to warrant an article. DGG (talk) 18:54, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete No indication that WP:N is satisfied. No need at all for this article per WP:Summary style, as it only consists of random trivia that were apparently unearthed only to create the appearance that this is a proper article. Note to closing admin: Three of the "keep" votes are clearly invalid since the centralised discussion is clearly not going to finish with a result any time soon, and it's already obvious that there would be no consensus for a subject-specific notability guideline that would modify, rather than interpret, the general notability criteria. Any such guideline would be based on deletion discussions such as this one. --Hans Adler (talk) 07:06, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It can be improved. --Turkish Flame ☎ 13:09, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Nja247 10:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ajit's 50th movie

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I declined the speedy on this, as crystalballing isn't a valid criteria. However, this seems to fail WP:CRYSTAL. It's just a bit too soon for this article. --GedUK  12:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:CRYSTAL, but should be recreated closer to the date of release, as more info becomes available. Thanks, Genius101Guestbook 13:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - No, it's not: on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wii 2, you said, "I have since annotated WP:HAMMER to include any unverifiable articles of a similar manner." So it isn't the first time the Hammer rule has been used for a non-album. (Plus, I also used it earlier this month - but I can't remember which one.) DitzyNizzy (aka Jess)|(talk to me)|(What I've done) 10:07, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Nja247 08:38, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ITunes Originals

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ITunes Originals – 3 Doors Down (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ITunes Originals – Alanis Morissette (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ITunes Originals – Barenaked Ladies (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ITunes Originals – Ben Folds (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ITunes Originals – Ben Lee (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ITunes Originals – Death Cab for Cutie (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ITunes Originals – Fiona Apple (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ITunes Originals – Jack Johnson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ITunes Originals – Jars of Clay (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ITunes Originals – Moby (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ITunes Originals – Patti Smith (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ITunes Originals – PJ Harvey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ITunes Originals – Red Hot Chili Peppers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ITunes Originals – R.E.M. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ITunes Originals – Sarah McLachlan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ITunes Originals - Seether (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ITunes Originals - Sheryl Crow (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
ITunes Originals – The Flaming Lips (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Originally deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ITunes Originals; relisted per Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_April_20. I am personally neutral on these deletions. Aervanath (talk) 12:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Nja247 10:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Church of Jesus Christ (Bullaite)

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A complete absence of reliable, third-party, published sources (failing WP:RS) and no significant coverage and reliable sources independent of the subject to establish notability (failing WP:N). Article amounts to WP:ADS if ever such an org does exist. – Shannon Rose (talk) 12:04, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. There is no deadline; the article can be expanded. Also, his stats page shows that he won several notable tournaments. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:10, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Limeback

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Stub about a Canadian speedcuber. The only reference is an official result from a speedcubing association. Delete.  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 12:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Google doesn't come up with anything either. Just not seeing the notability. - 2 ... says you, says me, suggestion box 16:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Speedcubers take this very seriously, so I think we should apply WP:ATHLETE. Unfortunately, I have no idea what the highest level of speedcubing would be. Can anyone deduce what the most important tournament would be? - Mgm|(talk) 07:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The highest level of speedcubing is the world championships which are held every year. Although I do not beleive Eric Limeback has been to the world championships, he has a number of notable Canadian and North American records. I understand that the article is extremely short as of now, but it can certainly be expanded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bismuth321 (talk • contribs) 00:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • National championships in a reasonably sized country or Championships of a continent are major enough to be considered notable for this determination too. They just concern a different geographical area. - Mgm|(talk) 12:59, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Nja247 10:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shri Gurudev Mahendranath

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A complete absence of reliable, third-party, published sources (failing WP:RS) and no significant coverage and reliable sources independent of the subject to establish notability (failing WP:N). Previous AfD was full of sockpuppets established by checkuser 1, 2, 3, and 4 –Shannon Rose (talk) 11:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Nja247 10:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Greeks in the Philippines

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The does not seem to meet notability. Unless ten families living away from home is something notable the article does not serve a purpose. The etymology of the name "Phillip" is irrelevant to this article so is the map of the Philipines. Unless WP:Notability can be proven the article should be deleted. PMK1 (talk) 11:45, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I am also nominating the following related pages because of failure to establish notability:
Greeks in Cuba (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  • A community of 30 individuals. No notable effect on Cuba or Greece.
Greeks in Ireland (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  • Similar reasons to the above. The majority are migrant workers who come and go. No notable effect upon Ireland and no notability established.
Greeks in Luxembourg (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  • Again no assertion of notability
Greeks in Panama (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  • Another article in a series of these. Request deletion per WP:N
Greeks in Venezuela (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  • No assertion of notability here either.
Greeks in Poland (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  • Again, unsourced, unverifiable and fails to establish notability.

PMK1 (talk) 00:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment, I tried to have the articles as close as possible to each other. However I have listed them seperately as per your concerns. Maybe the Poland article is different from the the others? However unless reliable sources can be proved then they should all be deleted. PMK1 (talk) 02:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks. In general it may be the case that one article has reliable sources while all the others lack them; it makes it hard on the closing admin to determine consensus with a bunch of "keep some, delete others" votes. Cheers, cab (talk) 03:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Nja247 10:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cyprus-Mongolia relations

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another laughable random combination from the obsessive article creator. non resident embassies, 1 minor agreement of 25 years ago [48] LibStar (talk) 11:45, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

the above cannot be considered a vote for keep, it does not assess the notability of relations. it was heading for WP:SNOW LibStar (talk) 13:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Don't be silly, any proper reasoning to keep an article should be taken into account. In this case, centralized discussion has started, so it makes perfect sense to pause the deletion of such articles while people try to develop a guideline. No harm is done by leaving these articles a few weeks longer. Finally, AfD is not a vote and I am sure we can trust the closing admin to weigh in all the comments in a way he or she sees fit at that time. And so what if it "was heading for SNOW", proper debate should always be allowed. --Reinoutr (talk) 16:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Villa Arson. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Michel Marot

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Non-notable, A Google search shows no reliable sources. I would CSD this, but she's the architect of at least 1 building which has an article on Wikipedia. AvN 10:58, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect to Villa Arson. Article solely writes about this building, so the name of the architect is better mentioned there. If anyone finds any more notable buildings designed by this architect, I'll reconsider. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 11:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose or merge into Villa Arson. I will not adding infos to this article till the final decision. Greudin (talk)
  • The article is up here, because it seems there are not enough sources to build an article with. If you disagree, showing they exist and adding the info would help towards a different decision. - Mgm|(talk) 07:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy Keep. Nomination withdrawn. Non-admin closure. Tevildo (talk) 12:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Victor Harold Finney

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I believe Finney is not notable as a Google search reveals no verifiable third-party sources. Though the article is sourced, most of the sources seem to be biographies of Lloyd George, which makes me think that Finney was given a trivial mention (though I cannot be sure of this). AvN 10:55, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The problem lies with the sources themselves. AvN 11:24, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just because sources cannot be reached on Google does not mean they should be discounted. Also, your linked Google search includes the Hansard record of him taking the oath as an MP. Hansard is the journal of record for parliamentary proceedings in the UK. DuncanHill (talk) 11:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, no. Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability... AvN 11:24, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Read the very first line of WP:POLITICIAN - People who have held international, national or first-level sub-national political office, including members of a legislature and judges - MPs are members of a national legislature. DuncanHill (talk) 11:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My bad then. I'll withdraw my nomination. AvN 11:38, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, thanks! DuncanHill (talk) 11:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if I knew how to. =/ Could someone please close this? AvN 11:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. G4 ~fl 01:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Musatov

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Martin Musatov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable screen writer. No significant third-party sources. Also, wrote the script for a film which is being considered for deletion. Also, this article was deleted in a previous AfD, but I'm not sure whether the content was changed or not, so I'm not going to CSD it. AvN 10:49, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • There is significant third party sources in IMDb as well as Variety magazine. I have also added Mr. Musatov's work as a noted Community Faculty Member at Metropolitan State University. Hey, it may not be a big deal where you are but there are lot of people in the Midwest who really look up to Mr. Musatov and what he has achieved in Los Angeles growing up outside of Hollywood and attending the inaugural of a screen writing program and then going on to write a film that achieved a $5 Million dollar budget and was produced. There are only 200 or less each year of the two million scripts floating around Hollywood. How does the inclusion of this article violate Wikipedia's goals with respect to their purpose and obligation as a 501c(3)? Solsticefan (talk) 10:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm removing your level 2 heading to improve readability and page structure. I do not know what you mean by 501c(3), so I cannot comment on that. As for your viewpoint, you might be correct. That's what this discussion is for, to see if we can reach a consensus. Meanwhile do not remove the AfD template like you did here, as I will revert. Thank you. AvN 11:05, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Variety magazine makes for a good source, but IMDB isn't. They take user-generated content, post it without providing the sources and although they do have a editorial policy, they regularly post false information. - Mgm|(talk) 11:24, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, borderline G4 speedy. Original AfD was on two grounds: undue self-promotion and lack of reliable sources. Article is no longer promotional but the coverage still amounts to a mention in an article about someone else. If a lot of people in the Midwest look up to Mustov, there ought to be a lot of articles about him by now. Show me those and this article can stay. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 11:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete WP:CSD#G4. So tagged. Article is not significantly different in content than the version that existed for most of the previous discussion. Article creator is a very likely sockpuppet of Martin.musatov and should be blocked like the previous ones. (In addition, he removed the AfD notice.) He hasn't explicitly been banned, so WP:CSD#G5 doesn't apply. In any case he's no more notable than he was the last time around. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Mgm|(talk) 12:57, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aquastor

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This seems little more than a definition - the examples are from someone's personal website. I've left both references although neither qualify as reliable sources. As Wikipedia is not a dictionary, and no notability is shown for the term, I think it should be deleted. Dougweller (talk) 10:45, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep. The fact that this term's survived on the order of five hundred years suggests that there are bound to be better sources available. Being unfamiliar with Paracelsus, I'm unable to judge how important the term is in his works, though. Zetawoof(ζ) 10:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment He only seems to use it once, see [49]. Dougweller (talk) 13:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Taking a look at the source, Paracelsus defines it once and doesn't use it otherwise. Very well, I'm convinced then. Delete. Zetawoof(ζ) 03:27, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very weak keep. Gene Wolfe has used these as characters (I've added the link, but I'm not sure how to cite it - would a direct reference to the book be enough?), although I'm not completely convinced that's enough to ensure the term's notability. Tevildo (talk) 12:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. Unsurprisingly, it's also not an uncommon brand name for water tanks, swimming pools, etc. I've not found anything of that nature which would be an obvious pass of WP:CORP, and anything that did would probably merit its own article. Tevildo (talk) 12:28, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The term is only used twice (once in fiction the other by Paracelsus), and I could only find one other mention which is already cited in the article. I do not see this meeting the notability guidelines. Malinaccier (talk) 15:09, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Balamory episodes (Season 4)

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Article is a bunch of headings with a lot of missing content (Wikipedia articles are specifically not placeholders) The lead is a bunch of self-references and the article lacks reliable, independent sources -- non exist. Delete (If it is kept for some reason it should be renamed "Series 4" rather than "Season 4" because the programme is British.) Mgm|(talk) 10:07, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The Deletion Policy does not include placeholders as a valid reason for deletion. Tagging as a stub is more appropriate. Citations have been added, which are more citations than are in the existing articles for series 1-3. Keep (I agree it should be renamed to "Series 4" rather than "Season 4", but "Season" is in keeping with the existing articles for the previous series.) Ectoraige (talk) 12:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to City of Melbourne election, 2008. Nja247 10:01, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Will Fowles (was Fowles - A Fresh Vision)

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Falls well short of the rule against promotional material. Would need an entire rewrite to be encyclopedic. I'm bringing it here instead of using G11 because it's about a politician rather than a business. Mgm|(talk) 10:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. G3 Nja247 10:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Greatest Hits (Mariah Carey DVD)

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This DVD doesn't exist. And it has no sources to prove otherwise. Max24 (talk) 08:56, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Nja247 10:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lake Creasy and Pasquotank Lake

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Appears to be made up—article has no references, and I was not able to find any. Given that article seems to mostly be based around mentions of "Daniel Creasy and his family" and that the sole editor is User:Daniel Creasy, I think it's deletable. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 07:04, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep it! I can assure you that these lakes do exsist and alot of people in the area use them for different things such as swimming, fishing, and just hanging out. I'm trying to find a picture or something I could put as a reference but its not working out since to my knowledge they have no name except the one me and about 15 other people call them. If you don't believe they exsist you can see them yourself. Go to google maps type in Ulster Drive Elizabeth City and go to the very back of the street towards the field then go all the way to the back of the field and you will see two lakes. Oh and my dad did'nt "find a lake in the 50's" He was a kid back then and they were building Sand Pits when he was REALLY young near the swamps by his house and after a few years the big sand pits turned to rainwater and swamp water lakes. When he got about 10 or 11 him and his friends went to the sand pits that were popular back then and there were lakes, sands pits, swamps. Everything a kid with no video games or anything to do would want back then.

    Also just because these lakes are'nt important to you they mean something to some people. Did'nt you people ever have a childhood hangout that meant alot to you? Also to the guy who called them water filled gravel pits actually the bottom is basically mud and the shallow ends and even quick sand in the deep ends.-Daniel Creasy —Preceding undated comment added 17:18, 29 April 2009 (UTC).
    — Note to closing admin: Daniel Creasy (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 23:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP IT

Well I know at some point they must have had names but now they are only used by a few people to fish and swim at. I'll try to find something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel Creasy (talk • contribs) 17:14, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Michelle Leslie

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The result was let's see. We know that AfD is not a vote; if one looks at the vote counts, it's pretty much split down the middle, a clear no consensus. But let's look at the arguments. Those that wanted the article kept stated that she has been covered in multiple secondary sources, had been on the front page of news in Australia for months, whereas those who wanted it deleted stated privacy concerns, with both sides arguing that BLP1E was valid/invalid. However, there is one significant fact that takes the main piece in this article. Rewriting began late on the 28th and ended on May 1st, well after most of the discussion on here has taken place. However, those that stated their opinions after the rewrite still had the same opinions as those beforehand, and there were some that still wanted deletion. This makes for a very, very tough closure.

If one looks at each source used, there are some tabloids (The Advertiser, The Sunday Telegraph) but also some non-tabloids (The Age, Sydney Morning Herald). Also, does the islamic conversion combined with the arrest count as more than one event, dissuading that argument? It's tough to say. As for the rewrite, it occurred a couple days ago, so is it acceptable to say that those on both sides could have changed their vote if they wanted to? I imagine they had no plans to check back on this, so perhaps not. It is true that WP is not news, and it is something many forget. It may be easy to "relist" this discussion, yet it would just be more of the same and leaving this for another admin to handle. That being said, because this was rewritten and sourced completely during and after most discussion, I don't feel that the comments can properly reflect the article's current state, yet I do not feel comfortable restarting or relisting the AfD, as it was still somewhat split even after the parts of the rewrite took place. In the end, it's firmly a no consensus decision. The thing is, what does a 'no consensus' mean for a BLP(1E?) who is primarily known for something negative? That is the real debate issue here, and one there really isn't much on.

Anyway, to read from WP:BLP, "Biographies of living persons must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid paper; it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives. The possibility of harm to living subjects is one of the important factors to be considered when exercising editorial judgment." In this article, we have tabloid sources, and originally were not using basic human dignity. In the end, I am not confident in this closure, primarily because I'd probably be DRV'd whichever way I closed it. That's fine though, if you guys want to fight about it a second time, you can. This is not a Ginger Jolie Part II situation where the subject requested it, nor is it a non-BLP, else this close would be easier. I could care less whether or not she has a bio on here. But, it is written with reliable sources mostly, and there are arguments beyond. As I said, if someone wants to DRV me, go ahead, I have no problems with that. It is no consensus, the question was just what does it default to.

Close: no consensus, default to... keep. Wizardman 19:41, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:28, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Simple Groupware

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While the article seems to be about a fully developed and published groupware system, I don't believe it meets the general notability guidelines. Any editor is welcome to prove me wrong, though! KhalfaniKhaldun 05:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete, non-notable software, absolutely no showing of importance; Google news search yields mostly a collection of letters to the editor and false friends. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep an open source software project under active development for more than 5 years. It's listed side-by-side with Oracle products, Notes, etc. DiplomaGuide.com lists Simple Groupware as something you might need to know to be a "Groupware Specialist", along with "Microsoft NetMeeting, Microsoft Exchange, IBM Lotus Domino Server and Lotus Notes". They didn't pick a very good name, so searches for "simple groupware" can easily find lots of irrelevant junk, but we shouldn't hold that against them. RoyLeban (talk) 22:39, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete: Non-notable software. Iowateen (talk) 03:02, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - There are more than letters to the editor sources on google news, it's just that they're not especially recent. It's an enterprise level open source suite that's been developed and commented on by a number of WP:RS ([50], for one). This isn't advertising and the suite's notable. I'm fine if you say the showing isn't enough, but to say "no showing of importance" suggests there hasn't been any research done. Shadowjams (talk) 10:28, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep:
GROUP DYNAMICS: exploring web-based groupware tools, Linux Magazine, September 2007.
DIY document management system with Simple Groupware, Linux.com, September 2006.
PHP, WAMP and XAMPP, oh my, Network World , 09/18/2007. — Rankiri (talk) 15:37, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I voted Keep above the line. Responding to Iowateen. I get really tired of Deletionists. You didn't say why you think it's non-notable, whereas my previous response listed 3 reasons why I thought it was notable. We should be thinking about what we CAN put on Wikipedia, not looking for excuses to remove things (or, rather, not looking, and using that as an excuse to remove things). The sources listed by Rankiri above are certainly sufficient (I just added those to the article). RoyLeban (talk) 00:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vote changed to keep: per Rankiri. Iowateen (talk) 00:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ProjectPier

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While the article seems to be about a fully developed and published groupware system, I don't believe it meets the general notability guidelines. Any editor is welcome to prove me wrong, though! KhalfaniKhaldun 05:28, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Discussion to merge should take place at the article's talk page. –Juliancolton | Talk 04:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Craigslist controversies and illegal activities by users

See also: List of Craigslist killers (AfD discussion) and Internet killer (AfD discussion).
Craigslist controversies and illegal activities by users (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Title too cumbersome. (Note that AfD guidelines advocate review of related titles in tandem, when possible; and if one generalizes the Internet component of this list-type/quasi list-type article and focusing its conduct component, one gets the recently-listed-at-AfD title Internet killer and there is appreciable overlap between the two articles' subject matter. "Craigslist controversies and illegal activities by users" is a compound list, containing issues involving the practices of the website along with a compendium of the crimes commited by parties using the website, whereas the defining rationale of the article Internet killer is a better focus and with therefore more inciseful brevity in its title.) ↜Just me, here, now … 05:02, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Could you please clarify your reasons for nominating this article for deletion? Cumbersome article titles can be easily fixed by renaming the article. Nick-D (talk) 08:02, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Your point's exactly mine, Nick-D. The Internet killer article, an omnibus for Internet-related murderers, was already in existence when a user listed it for deletion. Which would be fine except then this same user then created this article, whose content overlaps with the article he'd listed for deletion. If the content of an existing article is encyclopedic, the article should be at most renamed, not deleted, no? ↜Just me, here, now … 08:38, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In fact isn't one purpose of the anti-fork rule to guard against just this type of three card monte? ↜Just me, here, now … 08:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article has existed for years as a subsection of Craigslist and is supported by the community per the above linked debate. The least you could do is actually try to provide a deletion rationale. I have faith you can come up with one if you try hard enough. Put some effort into it. Viriditas (talk) 11:37, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete per WP:Fork. [Edited: WP:CFORK.] Every article's section can stand alone as an article in its own right without review? Really? I'm sorry -- I missed that at the WP:Help "getting started" link. If somebody creates the article Obama family, I can nominate it for deletion, then go to the Barack Obama article and cut'n'paste its "Family" section, then create my own article? Why, because the creator of the original "Obama Family" article is lame and I'm not? Text book WP:Fork! (An aside to Viriditas): How's that...? {smiles} ↜Just me, here, now … 11:56, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A content fork is an, I quote, creation of several separate articles all treating the same subject, the end of quote. Since the article you'd nominated for deletion with the same info already existed, the article you then created with duplicate information was a content fork. An oversight. (...However ya DID ping my talkpage with the message that you're one step ahead of the supporters of the existing article -- so, I should, "Watch and learn" And maybe you're right about that? that is, that we'll find out true application and meaning of the content forking policy here through the review process? One can hope.) ↜Just me, here, now … 12:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No content fork has occurred. Craigslist controversies and illegal activities by users was split from Craigslist. It has nothing to do with Internet killer, a new article that is on AfD because it is composed of 100% original research. I believe I have already explained this to you several times. If you still don't understand what you are reading, please ask someone to explain it to you. Otherwise, I can only conclude that you are making a bad faith deletion rationale. Viriditas (talk) 12:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge notable content to Craigslist: This "three card monte" mess deserves to be unscrabled and cleaned up soon . My suggestion is to fold the material about lawsuits by and against Craigslist back into the Craigslist article and to link the several (six so far) homicides commited via the modus operandi of Craigslist advertisements to the Internet homicide article, which, rather lamely, Viriditas has put on AfD (but that's another issue...). cat yronwode 64.142.90.33 (talk) 17:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, Viriditas put Internet killer up for AFD, which was not lame at all, as it made unsourced claims that the term was a journalistic term, along with other original research. That article has since been renamed to internet homicide and sources provided supporting the phenomenon, along with other improvements, so hopefully a positive outcome there. --MPerel 20:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete textbook POV fork which has an insurmountable NPOV problem because its title discourages any discussion about any good aspects of the website. It is literally impossible that there is any subject for which there is entirely a negative point of view, not even Satan or (hello, Mike!) Adolf Hitler. As such, this violates UNDUE for giving an article solely dedicated to the negative. Sceptre (talk) 22:11, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please actually read WP:POVFORK, Sceptre. The article was spun out as a subtopic and all it needs is a summary style paragraph. I hardly think that a random, 13 bullet point section is acceptable in any article. Care to show me a GA-class Doctor Who article that has one? You can't. There's no requirement for a large list to be placed in any article. In fact, most lists like this end up tacked into the see also section as a link. If you plan on converting it to prose, then by all means, have at it, but right now it is a random list of incidents that doesn't really fit any article and deserves to standalone. Viriditas (talk) 08:55, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oh, please. Don't pull the "summary style" argument. I know full well what a POV fork is, and this is one. That only applies when a section is too large enough to be in an article. This is not large enough. Prose wise, it's about the same size as the "Description" and "Background" sections. The main article only has 6KB of prose, way below the "may need to be divided" rule of WP:SIZERULE. The correct way to deal with this content is to minimise it and talk about it in prose, not spin it out into another article to put it away from the other content; that is the very definition of POV fork (or one of them). Sceptre (talk) 12:31, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - per Viriditas. Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 02:17, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but merge all 3 articles into one Craigslist controversies and illegal activities by users or Craigslist killers or such. Notable, not just one news item, not just one incident. Plenty of news sources are out there to show notability. Bearian (talk) 16:36, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
While I believe the editor who cut content from "Craigslist" to paste here, parallel to "List of Craigslist killers," would have done better to suggest a page move and bit of expansion of scope at List of Craigslist killers -- would supporters of the iteration in this title be satisfied, say, if the closing administrator belatedly moved on of the other two articles' contents/history here? ↜Just me, here, now … 20:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or merge to one of the Craig's list articles which is WP:N. I am an uninvolved editor in all three articles in discussion at AFD's and there seems to be a lot POV going on and WP:Synthesis and WP:OR happening in some. The AFD's I have looked at so far it seems the same editors are debating the same thing on all three AFD's. Craigs's list would have no problems with WP:RS either since it has been well publised in the media. Just my opinion of course, --CrohnieGalTalk 12:21, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and do not merge. However, some thought should go into the name and focus of the article. The Craigslist article, as is, is self contained and there is easily enough information to make a full, long article. The subject of crimes that use Craigslit as a modality or medium of communication is notable on its own. This might have once been called merely a media sensation to stir public unease at a new social technology - there is no particular nexus other than some tabloid journalism. Why, for instance, no "crime on the phone" article, "crime via Fedex" or "crime in hotel lobbies" article? And indeed there isn't much to distinguish Craigslit from Facebook, Myspace, Beebo, Twitter, or any other web service. However, the media sensation has a life of its own, and has caused law enforcement and craigslist personnel to meet directly and make arrangements. So the subject of Craigslist's response to crime is distinct and notable. For example, we have a Hotel Detective article and presumably could have a "hotel security" article because that is a subject - it would make no sense to merge that into Hotel. The question of illegal activities (and their public perception and response) is a distinct subject very different than Craigslist as a company, site, and web service. I don't think we could give it good treatment within the main Craigslist article without it having undue weight there, and creating a misleading focus to suggest that the crimes there are a significant issue that sets it apart from other services. Wikidemon (talk) 19:37, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Lankiveil (speak to me) 05:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Metropolitan Travel Survey Archive

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1. Article does not demonstrate subject's notability. See article talk page. 2. Article appears to be edited mostly by a user very involved in the subject organization/project. ~PescoSo say•we all 04:34, 26 April 2009 (UTC) 3. There are no or not enough sources of info independant of the article subject to demonstrate widespread notability. All reference sources are based on the work of the principal investigator. ~PescoSo say•we all 15:24, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The book/paper appears to be cowritten by the main contributor of the article, DavidLevinson. It is a primary source since he appears to be the chief researcher. 1. This doesn't seem to be "significant" coverage, and 2. the whole article could be considered self promotion. ~PescoSo say•we all 13:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hm. You're right. Since both links are not third-party sources and I can find no other sources for this article, this travel survey archive is non-notable. Delete. Cunard (talk) 04:21, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that the google book link is a collection of papers edited by Peter Stopher, a professor at the University of Sydney and someone who has earned a PhD. This probably means that the publication meets the criteria to be considered (Wikipedia:Reliable#Scholarship) scholarly material by the guideline of WP:Reliable Sources. If it is scholarly, then the WP:Policy of WP:Verifiability says that this source trumps all others. The fact that the same person wrote the scholarly paper as wrote the content in WikiPedia is irrelevant to me. It is not like he is making any red flag claims. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 03:32, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The paper by User:DavidLevinson is a reliable source, but it doesn't appear to be a third-party source. Levinson is affilicated with the Metropolitan Travel Survey Archive, since he was one of the people who was "helpful in building this resource". I can't make up my mind whether this article should be kept or not, so I will remain neutral. Cunard (talk) 04:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I can't see how the paper can be used as a reliable source. It's his project, and he authored the reference. ~PescoSo say•we all 05:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2. Keep Yes I am the Principal Investigator on the project. The article is verifiable, hence the independent Urban Transport Monitor link, which was provided. I wish it were popular enough for the New York Times, but clearly it is too technical. The archive has been used by other researchers and is important infrastructure in travel behavior research, but itself is not going to be the subject of too many articles. It is really disappointing wikipedia no longer lives up to the goal "Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're doing. -- Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia and Chair of the Wikimedia Foundation. dml (talk) 10:30, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

David, thank you for acknowledging your possible conflict of interest up front. I have been involved before in drawn out discussions with other editors where they never admit as such. To me, the simple admission goes a long way to reducing the WP:COI and achieving the suggestion on WP:COI to "exercise great caution". Now anyone who wants to comment (including Pesco) can make his own choice to consider or discount any remarks you make in this discussion. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 03:32, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Based on his contributions to the article and to this discussion I have listed it at WP:COIN. His admission, while appreciated, only happened after I already noted his involvement. How has "great caution" been exercised? He created an article about the project he is the director of, he wrote or heavily contributed to all references that could be used, and he's voted to keep the article in this discussion. Jimmy Whales also said "This community will continue to live and breathe and grow only so long as those of us who participate in it continue to Do The Right Thing. Doing The Right Thing takes many forms, but perhaps most central is the preservation of our shared vision for the NPOV and for a culture of thoughtful, diplomatic honesty." How can you be neutral if all the research is your own? On top of it, an admin should go above and beyond to avoid any hint of a conflict of interest. ~PescoSo say•we all 05:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It was hardly a secret, my user name is my real name (sans a space, due to the fact that in the early days of wikipedia everything was CamelCase) unlike most people here. That said, I am not the primary source or author of the Urban Transportation Monitor article. Also COI policies came about well after (1) the article was written, and (2) I was an admin. Finally, so long as the COI is noted, (and I think my user name discloses everything anyone wants to know), and the article is unbiased (judge for yourself) COI (in the real world) does not necessarily require recusal, just disclosure. dml (talk) 12:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There is nothing on your user page or talk page that says your are the Principal Investigator of the Metropolitan Travel Survey Archive. I only connected your name with the project after looking through things for a while. "It was hardly a secret" is not the same as disclosing a relationship. I admit the COI may have been implemented/modified after the article was created, but it exists now, and so I think that should determine whether you cast votes on anything regarding this article. ~PescoSo say•we all 15:19, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
May I kindly remind you about WP:COI since you are the Principal Investigator. That includes comments on article deletion. You're a Wikipedia admin, so I'm surprised COI has to be brought up. Also, the reference you mention is an article in a trade publication that heavily quotes you, almost making it a primary source. ~PescoSo say•we all 21:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This "trade" publication is (1) currently credited to an editor with a PhD and a P.E., and (2) has been published for 22 years. I would have to consider that a WP:RELIABLE source. The only negative is that the article is not directly credited to an author. However, it is more of a "newsletter" format, and crediting each article is not always done in that format. Based on the editors qualifications and the publishing record of this "trade" publication, it cannot be considered a "self-published source." To me, these two factors (reliable and not self-published) mean that there is no way it could be considered a primary source. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 03:32, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
From reading the trade article, my impression is that most/all of the info of note was obtained from the Principal Investigator. If the subject were actually notable there would be plenty of reliable sources that are truly independant of DavidLevinson. ~PescoSo say•we all 05:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Srong Keep. I find the sources to be reliable per my comments above; there are two separate PhD's that have found the material contained in this article to be worthy of publication and have backed it up as "editor".
    Even though it is admitted that the creator of the article has a conflict of interest, there are no extraordinary claims made therein. The article is kept short and factual. The subject of "data abandonment" will become more of an issue in the future, and this article covers that subject (and efforts to prevent it) for one small technical area. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 03:32, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Did these two seperate PhD's independantly verify anything about the project? While I still question whether they are "reliable sources", notability is the big issue, I think, and the COI makes this all very messy. If David did not create the article himself, do you think it would exist right now? There doesn't appear to be any independant analysis/commentary of the project. It all seems to be generated by him, one way or the other. Based on this, I don't think its notability is demonstrated. ~PescoSo say•we all 06:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article in the book lists 21 references used in writing the article. Written by a PhD, edited by a PhD, the publisher [58] has been in business for 40 years and specializes in acedemic publishing. To me, it is of a quality that a doctoral student could use as a reference for his own thesis. I would certainly accept it as a reference for any traffic engineer working on one of my projects. The newsletter would work too, but probably not for a thesis paper reference. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 12:47, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep There appears to be a chapter in this book about the archive in addition to the other references. This seems to be one of those situations where something is notable but still not well-known outside of a specialized field. There would probably be no article without someone with a conflict of interest writing it in the first place but that is not a reason to delete. Drawn Some (talk) 13:59, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. That is the same book that is discussed above. Just found on Amazon versus Google. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 14:25, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's the same book, and that chapter is the same one that is written by David Levinson. If the only references are based on the paid professional in charge of the project, is it really that notable? I don't think there are any sources that are independent enough of David. I'm sure his work is good for his field, and I would want to tell other people about my work, also, but notability is established when other people write about the work. Not when those involved in project get their own work widely disseminated.~PescoSo say•we all 15:19, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not contesting the accuracy of what's said, but Wikipedia articles have to prove notability. I wish someone would address how this article meets notability, considering all of the references are David's work being disseminated. ~PescoSo say•we all 17:28, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is noted above that Urban Transportation Montitor article is not written by the same David Levinson. This makes it a WP:SECONDARY source as required by the WP:Notability guideline. "Quoting" the primary source is exactly what a reliable secondary source is supposed to do. Also as noted above, this publication is currently edited by a person with a PhD and a professional engineering license. It has been published for 22 years. If that does not qualify it as a WP:RELIABLE source then I don't why I bother looking for sources at all. If it is still in business after 22 years, they must be doing something right about reaching their target audience. (Yes, this presumes market penetration. However it seems to me to be a resonable presumption.)
Since traffic surveys are a specialized field in the subject of traffic engineering (which is a specialized sub-field of civil engineering), one cannot expect Time (magazine) or the New York Times to cover this issue. People will always be more interest in Britney's latest antics or what kind of dog is living in the White House.
This is why the notability guideline says notability sources SHOULD be secondary. Because there are numerous technical fields where one has to accept primary sources. The TWO primary sources written by David Levinson (and currently listed in the article) are third-party published. This increases their reliability. Under the WP:NPOV policy, it is clear that these sources may be used. Please read WP:PRIMARY.
The source I added to the article from the USDOT website is another primary source (they are funding the project), but it is self-published. However, in the fields of traffic and transportation engineering, the USDOT is widely accepted as an authoritative, reliable source.
These sufficiently combine to establish notability to me. It is clear that they will not be enough for you. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 20:59, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This subject of the article is federally funded as shown by one of the references. This is not in itself enough for notability but I believe it contributes to notability and verifiability. Drawn Some (talk) 18:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Nja247 09:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin barrick

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Declined CSD. (In fact, I deleted it myself under A7 and then placed a tag to get another admin's opinion; it was declined.) I don't see notability asserted in this article (senior VP of a company on the INC 500 doesn't cut it; other claims are grasping). Even so, whether it's asserted or not, the speedy has now been declined, so we move to determination of consensus on whether or not the subject is notable. I've looked for indications of such and cannot find any. (As always, I can be convinced.)  Frank  |  talk  03:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would add that notability is not inherited. There are at least two references in the article which merely mention the company Mr. Barrick works for but don't include any content that refers to him at all. Not being mentioned in an article about a company that doesn't have an article in Wikipedia (and doesn't appear notable enough for same) is not a means of gaining notability sufficient for inclusion in the project.  Frank  |  talk  03:45, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Nja247 09:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ken Mayfield

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Assertion of notability exists ("pioneer in....") but is not supported with citations in reliable sources. Search turns up very little; mostly applying to a different person of the same name.  Frank  |  talk  03:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Nja247 09:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bradford Jesus

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Appears to be on the edge of notability, references seem pretty weak, fails people notability guidelines and being only notable for one event IMHO ~fl 02:38, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

comment I think the Cotteridge Growler [59] should have an article. :) He has a Facebook too, and a unique conversational style. Sticky Parkin 02:59, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


from the author: yeah ok - I guess the fact that thousands of people from many generations know him doesn't make him "worthy of note". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.171.133 (talk) 21:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Nja247 09:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Cassidy

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This is a person who, if if he were alive, would not be notable enough for an article. A person who was never written about in any newspaper or other reliable source prior to his death. A person who, but for the manner of his death, would not get a second glance from us. Creating an article that only uses articles about his death and whose content is 40% about his death has problems of undue weight and BLP violations. His loved ones should not have to face the prospect of Wikipedia enshrining his death for all time. I have removed evidence of his death and deleted all prior revisions, although admins can see them. Judge the article as it is. Is this person notable enough for an article? If not, then the fact that he suffered an embarrassing death does not make him notable. Thatcher 02:32, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I also agree with the comment above by Chris Neville-Smith: "by the number of awards he received as a comedian may qualify as notability. So I'm happy with an article being reposted, as long as it is notable for how he lived rather than how he died." That's exactly what has now been done, and the article as it now stands meets notability standards. We can't eliminate an article on a notable person simply because the circumstances of his death are embarrassing. That would be a horrible precedent of content-based deletion that has nothing whatsoever to do with policies on BLP or libel. Cbl62 (talk) 19:04, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete in its current form as 1E. If we can find concrete notability for his life, okay then. Sceptre (talk) 22:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete while technically not a BLP, I think the principles of 1E should still apply particularly given the obvious potential harm to his living relatives preserving this article risks. Presuming there's still new articles about him 3-5 years from now then fine, but until then (and I think it's fair to say it's unlikely). There are of course many people who die in odd ways (or do other things) who get some minor coverage in major publications, we don't and shouldn't have articles on them. If there were evidence he were notable then fine but as demonstrated by the current version he wasn't. We only have one minor RS about him prior to his death and one minor award (not that awards are enough to demonstrate notability in the clear absence of RS). If he continued in his career, he may have been notable one day, sadly that never happened. Nil Einne (talk) 22:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, it is the only honorable course of action. Whatever404 (talk) 23:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article describes, quite reliably, a locally-active part-time standup comic who was a finalist (not a winner) of a local contest and had a show at the Edinburgh Fringe (one of around 650 comedy shows there, albeit a relatively successful one). I'm really not sure that's the sort of material we usually consider significant - the guidelines for this sort of article talk about "significant roles in multiple notable ... stage performances", or "unique, prolific or innovative contributions", which doesn't seem to be borne out by the sources. Shimgray | talk | 16:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as not meeting notability requirements per Shimgray. DreamGuy (talk) 14:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Nja247 09:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jason Calixto

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Article on a likely non-notable individual with no sources. I could not find any information relating to the subject's participation within Thug Line Records. The "Web Development" section discusses a website that he built on a free webhost as well as his participation on a couple of online forums... scooteytalk 05:42, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JamesBurns/Archive. Matty (talk) 05:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to The Shys. Nja247 09:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Cupito

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Non-notable drummer. Articles makes no assertion to notability. Unverifiable claims. No awards. No solo releases. JamesBurns (talk) 02:51, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to The Shys. Lankiveil (speak to me) 05:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Wulff

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Non-notable guitar player. Articles makes no assertion to notability. No awards. No solo releases. JamesBurns (talk) 02:44, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Nja247 09:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Essential Eating Sprouted Baking

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I declined the speedy deletion because db-notability doesn't apply to books. A Google news archive search gives 39 hits for Janie Quinn, but none mentioned this book in the visible summaries, and the standard to meet at the notability guideline for books is very high. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 02:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedily deleted by Vianello per G3.. Tabercil (talk) 02:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

HRH PRINCE PETER OSEI-TUTU

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No mention of Peter Osei-Tutu to be found via Google other than this Wikipedia article. I suspect this might be a hoax. Tabercil (talk) 02:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Nja247 09:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of fictional trios

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There are few on this list which could even remotely be called "trios".

The following are grouped that way in their articles' names:

The Three Musketeers, The Three Stooges, The Ghostly Trio, Alvin and the Chipmunks, Huey, Dewey and Louie, and Snap, Crackle, and Pop.

The rest seem to be simply groupings of three characters. And often such "trios" are either "three adventurers" or a romantic triangle - or both. (Fairly common due to the influences of The Three Musketeers.)

Are there sources establishing that these are "trios"? And further, how would we establish that? Any grouping of individuals in which there are at any given time, three?

And consider that this is a case where we are listing groups based on the quantity of members. Look at the Charlie's Angels listings to see why this itself is a bad idea.

And do we start adding List of fictional quartets? Everyone from The Four Musketeers (and note the irony there), to the Fantastic Four (and consider how that group's membership has also changed periodically over time).

And are the Avengers a fictional sextet, based on their past bylaws?

This just seems to be rampant WP:OR gone wild.

  • Delete - as nominator. - jc37 02:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and edit. Discuss individual cases on the talk p. (The universal, correct, response for when a list article is nominated on the basis that some of the content does not belong). 6 are given by the nom as valid. That's a start. DGG (talk) 03:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete per nom. Too much original research involved in determining which characters to classify within a trio. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete 3 characters doing something together is found in a great many fictional works. There is no real point in listing them. Write an article on the concept itself if sources can be found.Borock (talk) 06:24, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The idea that some entries don't belong can be solved through editing. Other than that, the nominator gave no valid reason for deletion. - Mgm|(talk) 11:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    What content does belong? This list doesn't have any sort of topic; right now, it's "List of three characters chosen more or less arbitrarily." - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 20:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete x 3 In this case, a trio can be any three things that you want it to be, and the article is little more than a bulletin board. Nothing gets taken off, for fear that someone's feelings will be hurt. However, when you have twenty consecutive mentions of "Charlies Angels", you've lost your bearings. There are some famous trios out there which, as the nominator points out, are so famous that their name reflects their threesomeness-- the Three Musketeers, the Three Fates, the Three Stooges, etc. And there are a few that aren't billed as trios but have adventures as a group of three-- Huey, Dewey and Louie; Alvin, Simon & Theodore; Snap, Crackle, Pop; the Powerpuff Girls; etc. But most of these seem to be on here because someone noticed that they were on the TV screen at the same moment. Even someone who watches nothing else but Nickelodeon would not say that Spongebob, Patrick and Squidward are a team of some sort. Or that Mickey, Donald and Goofy are a trio; or that a duo like "Mario and Luigi" becomes a trio when you add someone else. This is the type of list that you can't maintain without offending someone, so I don't think that it's ever going to be viable. Mandsford (talk) 14:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as WP:INDISCRIMINATE unless and until reliable sources treating the concept "fictional trios" in a scholarly manner are cited. See also WP:SALAT. Deor (talk) 15:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, the topic is way too broad for this list to become non-indiscriminate (discriminate)? JIP | Talk 17:41, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Vote changed to strong delete. After reading the article again, I have become convinced that it does not even properly define what constitutes a "trio". It appears that it accepts any three characters appearing in the same continuum. Some, like the three little pigs, or the three musketeers, or the girls in Totally Spies! I can accept, but what about "Mickey, Donald, and Goofy"? What about Daisy? Or Gladstone? Or Scrooge? Or Horace? What about "Kirk, Spock, and McCoy"? Where's Scotty? Where's Chekov? Where's Uhura? There are too many cases where "these three constitute a trio" is basically the author's own original research. JIP | Talk 19:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, remove, and excise. This is completely rudderless and topicless. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 20:18, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Very vague topic that can cover a very wide variety of subjects, and there's nothing particularly useful about a list of trios. See WP:INDISCRIMINATE. GraYoshi2x►talk 20:24, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete. Of course the article's content is ridiculous (the Charlie's Angels permutations), but also this topic is really listcruft. I'll believe it when I see a couple of academic books about fictional trios. Drmies (talk) 22:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As per WP:IINFO. And how come Yippy, Yappy and Yahooey are not on the list? :) Pastor Theo (talk) 22:51, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep Useful start that can be expanded. Ties works together in interesting ways and is a notable subject. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    If it's a notable subject, what, would you say, is the article that this list illustrates? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 00:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The three little bears, the three amigos, the three stooges, three's company, ... This list of triumverates or trios of characters can be sorted by subject: literature, film, television, comedy. It doesn't take a great deal of imagination to see that the symbolism, psychology and sexuality involved in the subject of threesomes is loaded and important. If wikipedia chooses not to include it that will certainly not be the first time a useful and important subject is lost. Grouping the examples together serves as a useful resource for those wanting to compare the use of three lead characters in literature or comedy, to give two example. The subject can most certainly be expanded into an article, but as it's been determined that it's useless listcruft, I will divert my energies elsewhere. Three's a crowd. Here's a source [60]. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:26, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    So what the topic? Those are random things that there are three of. How is this different from "List of fictional things which are blue"? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 07:19, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Admittedly the subject of fictional accounts with three lead characters isn't as worthwhile as Gladys the Swiss Dairy Cow or the 17th place finisher in the 400 meter bean twirling at the 1984 Olympic's, but I thought it might be nice to include anyway. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    You didn't answer my question, you just compared it unfavorably to other things. This is a list of "Things which share a coincidental attribute". - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 21:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    You set up a straw man comparison, so I gave you one in return. I don't think there's anything coincidental about choosing to have three lead characters instead of the usual one or two (a duo). I'm not aware of any writer, screenwriter or comedian that employs an infinite number of monkeys typing away until they come up with something. So I have to believe their decisions on character development are conscious and that the use of three people involves various symbolisms and psychological concepts and social issues that are significant and interesting. This makes the subject notable and substantial. That it needs to be cleaned up and cited is obvious. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    You can believe whatever you like. Do you have any reliable sources to back your theory, or is it just original research? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 00:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    <outdent> Here's the source I already gave you [61]. It discusses some of the symbolism and some of the notable trios and compares them to the use of three leads in Charmed. There are also lots of sources on googlebooks discussing the history of trios and the notable ones, unfortunately many aren't available online. One of them discusses how the Three Musketeers influenced a term to refer to trios of adventurers in common language usage. One of them discusses Rudyard Kipling's use of trios. Many of them compare trios to more famous literary trios, for example here [62]. Here's a source discussing Harry Potter and comparing it to other literary trios [63]. So clearly this is a notable subject and there's plenty of sourced content for an article. You asked for examples and assuming good faith I've provided them. So I'm confident you'll change your vote and I hope you'll put some effort into improving the article, after putting quite a bit of effort into arguing extensively for its deletion. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The link you gave was rambling and speculative and more about the number three than any sort of insight on sets of three characters in fiction. (It's a TOTALLY UNAUTHORIZED readers' guide to a syndicated primetime soap opera, so we do need to take it for what it's worth.) The Harry Potter link mentions trios and duos as part of a discussion of equal or unequal roles of female protagonists in stories with multiple protagonists. Interesting stuff, but the only factual claim here is that there are three main characters in the Harry Potter novels and that this is the same number of characters as in Three Musketeers. I have no idea if the second source has anything, but the article you seem to imply would not be this one and would not need this list. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 18:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Completely useless listcruft. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 00:44, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: List of name-checks about non-notable subject of fictional trios, 50% of which comprises of variations of the Charlie's Angels roster. Ryan4314 (talk) 01:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and make into a category per WP:CLT. This list cannot ever be complete, and has no good intrusion criteria. No prejudice against writing a better sourced article in place of this. Jclemens (talk) 05:45, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete dreck per WP:LISTCRUFT; what, every wikt:Tom, Dick or Harry gets a list entry? We discriminate per WP:IINFO. Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I suppose it is possible that there is a reason why trios are prevalent in fiction. There may even be some literary criticism somewhere that documents this, and if there were a relevant Wikipedia article, then this list could form a part of it. Until then it's just an pointless list. pablohablo. 13:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Aside from Charie's Angels, another indication of the crapness of this list is the permutations of characters from "Zoey 101". There are 20 permutations of the 6 main characters from Friends, and if this article is kept, they are all going in! pablohablo. 20:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Nja247 09:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Happy waitress

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Apparently a name used in various individual restaurants for different sandwiches. Not in common use for any one sadnwich. No encyclopaedic value. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 02:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Nja247 09:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jose "Pepe" Ortega

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Vanity page. Some cleanup tags have been removed without explanation. No valid references can be found on Google. Delete.  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 01:17, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete A7. The article does not establish notability, and as Dan D. Ric pointed out, the author removed an earlier speedy tag. Malinaccier (talk) 16:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hipple Patel

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Non-notable journalist MBisanz talk 00:37, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - autobio, non notable.     JCutter{ talk to me}     01:37, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to The Shys. Lankiveil (speak to me) 05:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Walker (musician)

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Non-notable musician, generating no independent, in-depth coverage, no solo projects, etc. He has a daughter, which is nice, but that's not enough for inclusion on WP. Drmies (talk) 03:09, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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THIS AfD HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN IN FAVOR OF A REDIRECT ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since someone other than the nominator has recommended deletion, a speedy keep based on a withdrawn nomination is not appropriate. — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  18:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 05:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marianne Gunn O'Connor

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One-line article about a literary agent with two sources - one small article about her in an Irish newspaper, mentioned in another article in the same paper. Whether these mentions are enough to assert notability is another question. Black Kite 20:49, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Neutral - Google search turns up several more sources, most quite trivial in nature. I'd like to observe that while the article creator seems quite keen on creating several new Irish chick lit articles, (s)he seems also to be quite content to ignore all admonishments to create these already properly sourced. Would advocate a merge and redirect to some Irish litterature article except I'm at loss to suggest an appropriate one. MLauba (talk) 21:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for failure to establish notability. Eddie.willers (talk) 14:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't recognize the name and I regularly hang around literary circles. What do you base the idea on that there's a lot of name recognition? - Mgm|(talk) 11:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Largely because I recognised it, despite the fact that any connections I have to publishing are in an entirely different country to the one she operates in. This may be a biased sample issue, though, so forget I said it. I still stand by the sources being adequate, though. JulesH (talk) 12:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete. An agent (not even a writer) with very few sources does not meet notability guidelines. Malinaccier (talk) 16:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete I'm not seeing substantial coverage. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:23, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Either expand the article or delete it. This is next to useless, because anyone likely to have heard the name is likely to know what the article tesll them. Yes, Wikipedia is a wok in progress, but that doesn't mean we get to sit around endlessly debating ideologies, it means we have to work to improve it. So either expand the article or delete it. Don't look at me, I'm too busy elsewhere, which is why I'm suggesting delete. There's no point turning up all these brilliant sources if they just sit in an afd. If people don;t have the time to improve this article, it suggests the database is currently too vast and that we're all tied up elsewhere. Cut back on the database, and we can better regroup for another period of expansion. Delete as stands. Hiding T 12:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Wizardman 16:13, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Qi Dao

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Notability issues, all material relating to this style seems to be by a single author and no third party sources seem to exist. Salix (talk): 06:54, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. I asked around about this and other listed "Tibetan martial arts" on the Wikiproject Tibet and Wikiproject Martial Arts discussion pages- no one there had ever heard of them, or seen them listed in any reputable source. I've not found anything online or in books about Tibetan topics that would verify this allegedly Tibetan martial art, or validate its notability. Tibet tends to be a magnet for drawing tenuous claims of exotic origin. --Clay Collier (talk) 07:30, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • If other martial artists are not aware of any particular style, it doe not mean that the information about that style should not be in Wikipedia. On the contrary, this would allow those and other martial artists to find out about that style. In particular, Qi Dao may be of Tibetan origin but was mostly practiced in Russia. If it came to the West now, it should be given an opportunity to have its page in Wikipedia no less than Boabom or Kum Nye. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tantrapa (talk • contribs) 19:30, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The problem seems to be one of sources. All the material found seems to be by Lama Tantrapa with no third party sources to verify his claims. The article would stand a much better chance if such sources could be found. There is a specific guideline for martial arts articles: Wikipedia:WikiProject Martial arts/Notability which give indication of what is required. --Salix (talk): 20:07, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment There seem to be a great many reliable resources and thousands of other mentions on the internet. Are these references to "Qi Dao" referring to something else? I'm confused. Drawn Some (talk) 21:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes there are many things which have Qi and Dao in the name, including a magazine, a movie, a mediation practice. There are also quite a number of sites with material on this particular practice, however all the ones I can find are written by the same person. If you could find a source not written by Tantrapa that would great.--Salix (talk): 21:34, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Absence of reliable third party sources Rirunmot (talk) 21:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirected by User:Jeandré du Toit Malinaccier (talk) 02:58, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Eurovision Dance Contest presenters

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The Presenters are already listed here so there is no need for this article. Afkatk (talk) 11:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect unsourced non notable list to article where it's at. -- Jeandré, 2009-04-19t12:09z
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The result was merge to Nouns (album). –Juliancolton | Talk 00:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Teen Creeps 7"

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Still fails WP:NSONGS, no information worth merging to non existent album article or band article. -- Jeandré, 2009-04-19t13:26z 13:26, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hang-on explanation

This article should not be deleted because it fits into the following criteria:

  1. This article relies on more that one source and includes in-text citations.
  2. It is sufficiently Wikified as it includes an infobox as well as several sections.
  3. It is quality-equivalent to many other singles-articles on Wikipedia.

ل داد (Ldud) (talk) 04:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nja247 09:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This Is Who We Are (DVD)

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Fails wp:music, prod rv without sourcing. -- Jeandré, 2009-04-19t14:39z 14:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to My Parents Are Aliens. Nja247 09:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Johnson (Alien)

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Notability concerns; consists solely of in-universe fiction with excessive detail; will probably not be referenceable SynergyBlades (talk) 16:51, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. All, including the creator, are agreed that this is an inappropriate list for the encyclopedia. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of clubs in Egypt

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Indiscriminate list of mainly redline social organizations, listed without rhyme or reason. Notability for the function of these clubs in any given country seems to me to be impossible to establish; how would one get reliable information and how would one measure importance? Currently under discussion is a similar list, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of clubs in Bahrain. Drmies (talk) 17:14, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I, the creator of this list, agree that it is quite a useless page. It would be nice to have around, if it was to be modified a bit, but right now it serves no purpose. I have no arguments for keeping this page. A elalaily (talk) 21:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. No need to keep this charade going. Stifle (talk) 19:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alter Boys

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This page meets Wikipedia’s criteria for deletion as an article that does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject Oo7565 (talk) 17:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Nja247 09:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Veloso (artist)

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Internet artist notable for one event, which runs contrary to WP:ONEEVENT. SchuminWeb (Talk) 17:29, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep, there is clearly little support for deleting this article, and there should be prejudice against a merge if a consensus can be found to do so on the talk page or another venue. Lankiveil (speak to me) 05:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1987 Pittsburgh Gladiators season

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BUC (talk) 18:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator wanted to nominate all articles for all individual teams single seasons in the Arena Football League as explained at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2006 Tampa Bay Storm season. Calathan (talk) 17:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Nja247 09:51, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Korean-Shinto

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Unsourced and possible original research on an obscure religious group with no assertion of notability (article explicitly states that there are probably less than 100 followers.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 19:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lincoln Station

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It was a proposed LRT station, but is currently not planned to be built. Canuck85 (talk) 09:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:07, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mulatka

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No evidence of notability per WP:PORNBIO Tabercil (talk) 02:30, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak Keep I'm not thrilled about an article being nominated 1 day after creation, especially when it's going to require translation to verify. She appeared on Geobar4, which was the Georgian franchise of Big Brother [66].I can confirm she was a Playmate prior to appearing on the show [67]. That theoretically means she passes the additional criteria by virtue of being a Playmate. When Playboy sends someone to discuss your behavior so it doesn't threaten their brand, I'm going to guess there's a few newspaper articles about you in the local press.Horrorshowj (talk) 22:58, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, in addition to the sources above, there seems to be a fair amount written about this person in the Georgian language too ([68]). I think it's best to err on the side of caution here. Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC).[reply]
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The result was delete. –Juliancolton | Talk 01:03, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nathan Adam

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WP:BIO, an article about someone who writes for two non-notable blogs. Whilst there is a source from TechCrunch, I would cast that off as "over-hyped" as it merely seems to say that "a kid created a website". Greg Tyler (t • c) 09:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • My point is this: a single article about you saying that you "created a website" does not make you notable. Find me criteria on WP:BIO that make Nathan Adam notable. No awards or honours; no recognised and sustainable contributions; no new concepts; not cited by peers; the list goes on. I see no argument for keep. Greg Tyler (t • c) 10:04, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Nja247 09:51, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Abjol Miah

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Contested prod. Subject is a city councillor in a borough of London, and a candidate for an obscure party in the upcoming general election. Of the five sources cited, none actually help establish his notability. Delete.  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 00:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Nja247 09:51, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Molotov solution

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Music group that fails WP:NOTE and WP:MUSIC. Although, they are signed to metal blade records, they have not released any material while signed. Also this search reveals coverage in blabbermouth and metal archives, these are generally not considered reliable by themselves. Only other references/sources are Myspace and blogs. Wisdom89 (T / C) 21:36, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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