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Fury Comics

Removal of links

I have put a comment beneath and would be grateful if you could explain your actions and what was considered wrong with links to complete comic books that are in the public domain. This has taken me many months of work!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by EManac (talk • contribs) 10:20, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year!

Happy New Year, the Dutch way! All the best to you, Bongo. Drmies (talk) 08:32, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the oliebollen—think I'm going to celebrate with some fries, beer, and mussels in honor of a long-lost province of yours! Best to you & your family in the new year. ^Bongo_matic 08:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ouch, LOST--that hurts, man! But mussels would be great, yes. Enjoy! Drmies (talk) 08:46, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced BLPs

Hello Bongomatic! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 2 of the articles that you created are Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons. Please note that all biographies of living persons must be sourced. If you were to add reliable, secondary sources to these articles, it would greatly help us with the current 3 article backlog. Once the articles are adequately referenced, please remove the {{unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the list:

Lisa Porter - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
Michael Theodoulou - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 18:20, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DASHBot

Please note that Lisa Porter is referenced, just not using inline references. External links that verify the content are included in the article. Your master may wish to change your warning message to use language that considers this possibility. Michael Theodoulou has (surprisingly) survived an AfD for being unreferenced and potentially non-notable. Don't know how this could be contemplated by a 'bot.

Regards, ^Bongo_matic 23:17, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback. I agree with you the template is a bit harsh. I changed it to say "is tagged as an Unreferened..." that way it is less * accusatory*. Thanks, 23:24, 2 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim1357 (talk • contribs)

Great and by the way, on my front, totally no worries or offense taken—I'm anything but a newbie and certainly appreciate the efforts of all of you writers of useful 'bots. ^Bongo_matic 23:39, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Making unreferenced BLPs and now you're spamming supposed PEZ innovators? I'm shocked! ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:03, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks COM. ^Bongo_matic 06:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Curtis Allina

A tag has been placed on Curtis Allina requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Difu Wu (talk) 02:08, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Charm school

Per your interest in feminine etiquette, please see Lucie Clayton Charm Academy. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:04, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! Thanks! ^Bongo_matic 04:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Ken Dabrow

I've posted a response. You requested I ask if I don't understand. What I don't understand is what powerful urge you have to delete referenced articles. It took me two years to find out who this guy was and you dismiss the article? Not notable, or simply not identified? Do you know this guy? Do you listen to Los Angeles radio? Or radio in the other markets he is heard in? If you did, maybe you'd want to know who he is too. I suspect you are meddling in a subject you do not know, a bad thing to do on WP.Trackinfo (talk) 23:46, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If it took you two years to identify who he was, that's pretty good evidence that he hasn't been extensively noted. "Notable" doesn't mean "of interest to one editor", or even "of interest to lots of people". Rather, it means "having received notice". By the way, I don't think I nominated the article for speedy deletion—rather, I first used a proposed deletion, and then since that was contested, I used an AfD nomination. Regards, ^Bongo_matic 00:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In the crowd I frequent, granted a more media savy crowd, I mention obnoxious announcer, or the guy who accents every other word, and they know exactly who I'm talking about and ask "Who is that guy?" along with comments like "Get him off the air." He is a stand out announcer, even though it is in a negative sense--just the kind of announcer that obnoxious car dealers think will sell their cars. Do people who hide behind anonymity or aliases not deserve mention, or when their name comes public does that negate their "accomplishments?" No. Deep Throat was eventually identified. Captain Crunch was identified. The guy that screams and irritates your morning drive across the United States deserves such infamy. And unlike an equally famous counterpart in Southern California media Larry Miller who was recently merged after an AfD discussion, this guy works for a wide variety of clients, none of whom would be appropriate to individually merge Ken Dabrow into.Trackinfo (talk) 01:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deep Throat and Captain Crunch received significant coverage in reliable sources. That is what made the notable even before their names were made public. Is there media significant coverage of Ken Dabrow that doesn't mention his name, but that is identifiably coverage of him? If so, identify it and add it to the article. ^Bongo_matic 02:12, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppetry

Bongo,

I find myself once again accused of being drsjpdc's sockpuppet. In fact, I am a very busy doctoral student at National University of Health Sciences, and have considerable knowledge of the subject matter that I choose to comment on. I can assure you that I am very much not drsjpdc, although I am (as are most members of the chiropractic profession) familiar with him and his contributions to chiropractic worldwide. The fact that have not posted or edited extensively is due to the severe restrictions on my time as a full time student. I also confess that I am somewhat new to wikipedia, and therefore have been hesitant to edit live articles until I feel more capable of doing so within the scope of wiki policy.

I ask you to please stop falsely accusing me of sockpuppetry.

Waynethegoblin (talk) 03:11, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please see my response at User talk:Drsjpdc#Your friend. ^Bongo_matic 03:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have taken YOU to ANI

for OUTING Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.^Д-р_{СДжП,ДС} 04:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Replied there; refactored original comments. ^Bongo_matic 04:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SPI case

Feel free to comment here. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am not experienced in SPIs. Would it be possible to add the SPA that you tagged at WP:Articles for deletion/Tom Hyde to the SPI, or does it require more evidence? DigitalC (talk) 18:22, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think once the check user is run it will pull up any additional sock puppets if they exist. A couple of years ago I requested a sock puppet check on a user and a couple of her accounts and the CU pulled up a couple dozen additional accounts that I had not know about. You might ask this question on the SPI talk page to confirm. --IP69.226.103.13 | Talk about me. 18:34, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your tagging followed by AFD

You tagged an article with claims of "notability" issues [1], and nominated it for AFD an hour later [2]. In the future, it would be more constructive to attempt to discuss your complaints at the article's talk page. Cirt (talk) 09:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See discussion on your talk page. ^Bongo_matic 09:25, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You did not even post one single solitary post to the article's talk page before proceeding straight to AFD. That is a bit rash. Please improve your behavior patterns in the future. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 09:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kongthin Pearlmich

I reverted your edit and explained why in the edit summary.[3] You may wish to re-add appropriately. Ty 09:15, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You have just replaced it at 9.15[4] before a date stamp which says 00.30. This is completely misleading. Kindly post it separately with the correct time of posting shown. Ty 10:03, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

George Fury

Do you mind explaining the nature of your objections beyond what the tag suggests? --Falcadore (talk) 10:58, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing beyond what the tags suggest. I am not an expert in the field. If you feel they are inapplicable, act accordingly. ^Bongo_matic 13:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

hello

Of course I did see "....having structured data about sources available for query / analysis...". Unfortunately it doesn't make any sense to me. What does that mean, and why is it a valuable goal? So many thanks... • Ling.Nut 14:39, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

By "structured data about sources" I mean that key information about sources is tagged so that a database can be created and queried. Ideally, all the information about sources would be reliably tagged, so that a database could quickly easily identify what Wikipedia articles reference New York Times articles by David Carr, or how prevalent a source JAMA is compared to the NEJM, etc.

The various {{cite}} templates achieve this to a degree, though there is a huge amount of flexibility in how they are intended to be used, and even more variation in how they are actually used. These templates bundle this useful tagging functionality with formatting conventions. My view (as stated) is that regardless of what people decide about formatting of references, making sure the citation data structured and easy to get at ought to be a key goal of this process.

Regards, ^Bongo_matic 14:47, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this a worthy goal? More specifically, how will it help us build an encyclopedia? • Ling.Nut 14:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Among many other reasons, it permits analysis of the nature of references in the encyclopedia, helping to identify systemic issues. It also would serve as an extension of the sort of reference network tools such as exist for academic journals or legal opinions. I infer from your user page that you are a bottom-up person when it comes to evaluating the quality and utility of the encyclopedia, but top-down analysis is something that many (including me) feel to be useful. For a more practical and less abstract (if not terribly frequent) reason, suppose that a journalist or academic is identified as falsifying information or data, or an important court case is overruled. This would permit quick identification of which Wikipedia articles need to be revised or checked. 14:58, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I see. Similar perhaps to looking for refs by George Monbiot? • Ling.Nut 15:07, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Similar. But different. ^Bongo_matic 15:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(undent, there's only two of us) Errm, how different? Why can't we just use Google to do what you want to do? • Ling.Nut 15:11, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For any number of reasons. It doesn't distinguish between text and references. If you search for "David Carr" and "New York Times" it gets all articles that happen to have either, or both, but not necessarily those referencing articles by David Carr in the New York Times. It doesn't permit automation, such as giving an ISBN and searching for matches that might be correct. It doesn't make it easy to winnow down common names. It doesn't have any way to accurately count things, avoiding duplicates, etc. It's simply not a database tool. ^Bongo_matic 15:18, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

databases are nice and cute and all, but they are wholly optional. Irrelevant, even, to the task of making an encyclopedia. I would go so far as to say that this is a solution in search of a problem, and quite frankly, is largely driven by the personal desires of programming hobbyists. Tks • Ling.Nut 09:12, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Quinn

Hi Bongomatic, i'm here to ask why you redirected Daniel Quinn (rugby league) to Daniel Quinn. Daniel Quinn (rugby league) is an article about an Australian rugby league footballer and Daniel Quinn is about an american writer. It's obvious they're not the same person. So why? By the way i've undid your redirect. Josh the newcastle fan (talk) 15:38, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. Apologies. Saw two recently created articles on rugby league Quinns and thought one was a dup of the other. Didn't notice that they had different first names! ^Bongo_matic 15:41, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Tronic Article

Hi Bongomatic, I reviewed the Alex Tronic article and addressed the issues raised including adding notable references and removing any perceived advertising. Please can you confirm this is now OK? Many Thanks Whodis7 (talk) 23:15, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My suggested hook on DYK

I've only tried this once or twice before and am not confident of the procedure. I created a hook for an article I had started, The Wodehouse, and placed that hook on Template talk:Did you know on Jan 14. You raised an objection to the wording; I amended the wording about 12 hours later, but nothing has happened in the last six days. Could you have a look again, please? I don't want the hook to be deleted because the discussion has gone stale. BrainyBabe (talk) 09:53, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like there are plenty that haven't been checked yet—I'm not really an expert on the process. Good luck! ^Bongo_matic 15:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You raised a reasonable objection and I did my best to adapt the hook. Could you look again and state on the DYK page whether my new version successfully meets your criteria? Thanks. BrainyBabe (talk) 19:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from Sparta1114

Bongomatic I am reporting you for vandalizing Zayra's page. You are a coward for attacking such a wonderful artist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparta1114 (talk • contribs) 04:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of web based file managers

A bit over a year ago, you commented in the afd discussion for Comparison of web based file managers. It was shortly thereafter reposted by its creator as List of web based file managers, which is currently on afd itself. I invite you to participate in the new discussion. —Korath (Talk) 18:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Zayra Alvarez

Just to let you know we've received a complaint at OTRS about this article; please be extra-sensitive when editing it. Stifle (talk) 18:51, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note. Will do. Looks like it's being edited by a bunch of socks of either the individual or someone related. ^Bongo_matic 21:19, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

thank you

Always appreciate fresh, smart new ideas, I asked your question here: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Automatically_adding_articles_to_an_editors_watchlist.3F thanks again! Ikip 06:09, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hal Blaine Strikes Again

With a user name like "Bongo" I hope to find you sympathetic to my attempt to categorize, and label, as many of the records that master drummer Hal Blaine played on as is possible. What I did last night was (after several miserable attempts and failures) was create the category and add it to the songs - mostly singles that he played on. Some of the tunes had multiple versions in the articles but from what I could tell the categories did not have to relate to every version in the article. Do you need more of a discussion before proceeding in what ever direction you choose to go in? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 20:21, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

AntiUser's "review"

Given that NotHughThomas has been blocked indefinitely for disruption, do you still think that it was wise to readd that review? If so, can you please comment at Wikipedia talk:Editor review/antiuser to the concerns I've raised? Thanks. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) ^talk 03:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Autoreviewer

Hi, I enjoyed reading Lee Arthur and was surprised that the author of it wasn't already an wp:Autoreviewer. So I've fixed that. Ϣere SpielChequers 09:50, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi WereSpielChequers

I appreciate the gesture. I actually like having my contributions reviewed, but in the spirit of trying to reduce the backlog at new page patrol, I won't ask you to undo your change to my rights!

Glad you liked the article, and appreciate the copyedit. However, I am embarrassed to say that due to some sort of mental glitch in my auditory-to-typing pathway, I created the article under the wrong name! There is already a competent article on Lee Archer! I'll merge anything missing and then nominate my orphan for speedy deletion. D'oh!

Since you're in the helping out business, have a gander at Dick Brass (whose name I hope I've gotten right!), a stub that could use considerable expansion, but for which the sources provided are sufficient for much of it. Have a read, and see if you get inspired.

Regards, ^Bongo_matic 13:08, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in a categorisation mood so I've added a few to Dick Brass. One of the ideas I floated a while back was to change the colour coding at newpage patrol so that we had more than a binary choice. I think there are a lot of editors who would benefit from the attention of the back of the queue patrol, but who would could use an exemption from the front of the queue patrollers who are basically hunting for vandalism and hoaxes. Ϣere SpielChequers 13:54, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Now that is a good idea.

Thanks for helping out on Mr Brass—did you verify his year of birth (it might be in one of the references, but I put circa based on a reference to age 47 in November 2000, I think), or just figure something's better than nothing? ^Bongo_matic 13:58, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Neither, I just didn't spot that little c there... A year based on a November reference is very probably correct and at worst out by one, so for longdead people I'd be inclined to use the category - or maybe even both possible categories. But as he is very much alive I've removed it. Ϣere SpielChequers 14:46, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pravda

Bongo, do you have access to the NYT archives? What does the obit on H. Neill Wilson say? Also, can you check out the reference on the Bishop reference? Horoshow speciba comrade. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:46, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, sorry—some old NYT articles show up as PDFs and some show up as PDFs for a price—I look at the former, not the latter, as a rule. ^Bongo_matic 09:48, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bongo, have you searched theat Martin Grace did not win any academy awards, or are you going by memory? DGG ( talk ) 15:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have searched in the Oscars web site, done a news search, and reviewed IMDB (which although not RS is quite useful). ^Bongo_matic 15:54, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Ross (radio host)

I untagged Mike Ross (radio host)... A7 is for no reasonable claim of notability, not just because it fails notability. Being involved in any sort of national mass media is a reasonable claim of notability. Feel free to take it to AfD. Gigs (talk) 17:06, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ydanis Rodriguez

Why do you continue to add the notability tag to Ydanis Rodriguez. He clearly qualifies as a notable Politician. He qualifies under the No. 2, where it states "members of the main citywide government or council of a major metropolitan city."Racingstripes (talk) 06:01, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you read to the end of the sentence, you will see it concludes with "who have received significant press coverage". He has does not appear to have done so. ^Bongo_matic 06:42, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No it doesn't end with that. The first sentence is "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage." Then there is second sentence stating "Generally speaking, mayors are likely to meet this criterion, as are members of the main citywide government or council of a major metropolitan city." Which he is clearly a member of the main citywide government council of the largest metropolitan city in America.Racingstripes (talk) 06:54, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I stand corrected. As stated on the article's talk page, it says that such figures are "are likely to meet" that criterion, not that they are automatically deemed to do so. The criterion itself requires "significant press coverage", which has not been demonstrated for the subject of this article. ^Bongo_matic 06:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Would you consider that the NY Daily News refers this wikipedia article http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Ydanis+Rodriguez. Also every NYC city council member prior to the 2009 election has a wikipedia article. I really don't know what significant prss coverage means but there are plenty of articles: [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] are just a few press coverage examples. And that's just some of the english speaking articles.Racingstripes (talk) 07:16, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's lots of other stuff that may or may not be notable. None of the examples you cited constitutes (in my view) "significant coverage". Routine acts of an official don't meet the criterion, or otherwise every official whose official actions get covered in the local paper would be notable, which is clearly not the sense of the guidelines. I'm not saying he isn't notable; I'm saying that his notability hasn't been adequately demonstrated. So why don't you stop arguing with me and remove all doubt by sourcing the article well? ^Bongo_matic 07:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I guess we have a difference in opinion. I feel it has been adequately demostrated.Racingstripes (talk) 07:36, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So you think that the article adequately demonstrates "significant coverage" with this single independent source? The only other sources cited are the city counsel sources and his campaign website. These do not establish notability under either POLITICIAN or GNG. Whatever you say here or on the talk page isn't relevant to the template—this isn't an AfD. The template is valid so long as the article itself doesn't demonstrate notability. ^Bongo_matic 07:44, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Titus (2nd nomination)

Hi, Bongomatic. Because you participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Titus in September 2009, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Titus (2nd nomination). Cunard (talk) 07:44, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Face to Face (Wayman Tisdale album)

I love how you didn't even bother to add a track listing or infobox. That's not even trying to make a stub; it's like, sub-sub-sub-sub-stub. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 19:27, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I created the stub (or what ever pejorative term you prefer for it) the day after the death of the recording artist. It seemed possible to me that the subsequent interest in him could lead to edits to related articles. It further seemed to me preferable to have an authoritatively referenced stub in place should someone want to add detail. As you have highlighted, contrary to speculation, there was no flurry of Tisdale album editing, so the article remained in its original state.

If you think the encyclopedia is better of with a redirect, that's fine—I referenced the article as well.

My own view (from experienced) is that even if an editor disagrees with the views or actions of other editor, sarcasm—other than among people who know one another quite well—and ad hominem attacks are seldom helpful (although when directed my way, I seldom am terribly bothered). If I had a similar view to the one you expressed—by reference to my personal qualities or motivations—I would probably have said something like:

I noticed that the above-captioned stub article has no information not contained in the main article. As it hasn't been expanded in the nine months since its creation, I have redirected it to the article. Generally, I find the creation of such stubs not to be improvements to the project.

It is ironic that you cited WP:PUTEFFORT, as that essay points out that one-sentence stubs can be useful, and mainly urges the inclusion of basic information, categories, and references—all of which were included in the original version. ^Bongo_matic 22:37, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I amended WP:PUTEFFORT to make it clearer that I think articles should at the very least have infoboxen, and that album articles should at the very least have track listings. Sorry if I was rude and unclear; I was extremely tired. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 23:56, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, you're both good people and fine editors. The Hammer apologized, and I accept on behalf of the world. BTW, Hammer, I think you're wrong about requiring infoboxes and track listings--I think those things aren't nearly so important. But then, I only have one otter. Drmies (talk) 03:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Bongomatic. You have new messages at Drmies's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

External links at KenKen

Hello, I add some KENKEN/KENDOKU Free puzzle site at KENKEN page. But you erase it, may I know why? If it is useful for that KENKEN puzzle, we shall inform the reader about the reference link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunny.arky (talk • contribs)

Please review WP:EL which explains Wikipedia's policy on external links. ^Bongo_matic 23:38, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bongo

Hi, I just wanted to let you know I have removed your notability prod on the Phatchance article; if you remember the last debate it was resolved amongst the voters that if more primary sources were found the article would warrant inclusion - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28music%29 (satisfies the following guidelines for inclusion - coverage in third party sources (including both a review and fourth page editorial in The Australian - Has won or placed in a major music competition. Unearthed - Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network. Triple J (please see J Play source) - Has been the subject of a half-hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network. www.abc.net.au/triplej/hiphop ran a special interview/broadcast on him for his tour (though I have not bothered to try and dig up proof of this, check google :) )

Hopefully this satisfies any concerns you have, please contact me via my talk page if you want to discuss it further or take the article to deletion debate Stevezimmy (talk) 10:12, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(not a prod but I think you knows that now). One article and a short review is not much, leave that to someone other than yourself to decide that. Unearthed feature artist is not a major contest. JPlay does not show needed rotaion. No evidence shown that that interview was the subject of a half-hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:35, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But this is entirely subjective - I see Unearthed as a major competition, you don't, Silver Chair et. al would probably disagree with you. I will copy paste the additional articles I put on your page here Duff, are you arguing that they are not extensive coverage? As I put to you on your page; how many articles exactly do you require? J Play demonstrates that the artist is in the top 20% of all Australian artists played on the National radio network (how do I prove rotation?) If you go quickly to http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/hiphop/ you can stream the interview yourself (though as of tomorow you will have to podcast it) the interview ran for more than half an hour on a national broadcast - that alone warrants inclusion. Here are the articles etc. I posted on your page - please see (http://www.onion.com.au/article/80 - http://musicfeeds.com.au/music/phatchance/ - http://scenemagazine.com.au/index.php/component/content/article/615-phatchance-interview etc. etc.) and here is the proof of the Myspace feature, though I don't wish to use it for the citation as it's a little messy to use imageshack - http://img4.imageshack.us/i/myspacefeature2.jpg/ http://img7.imageshack.us/i/myspacefeature.jpg/ Stevezimmy (talk) 11:12, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here's some more content - a feature article in The Inner West Courier http://inner-west-courier.whereilive.com.au/news/story/phatchance-plays-the-annandale-hear-him-here-and-now/ - http://aftertheemergency.redcross.org.au/get-info/links-profiles/phatchance - http://www.threedworld.com.au/music/reviews/showmusicreview.asp?id=4049 Stevezimmy (talk) 11:27, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I pointed out, if you think those liks provide independent coverage from reliable sources then the article is the best place to post them. As to the Triple J link, how fast do I need to be, page show no evidence of what you say. Are you saying they talked about, played music by, Phatchance for over half an hour? I don't believe you. You keep asking how do I prove? That is important wp:v duffbeerforme (talk) 11:49, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is what I am saying; there was an interview, live performance and four tracks got played - they discussed the live dates for his national tour etc. and the unearthed successes and radio playlisting - http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/hiphop/mod_windows/hiphop.asx skip to the 40 minute mark - tomorow it will change to the new show and you will have to podcast the broadcast. Stevezimmy (talk) 12:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your work on the Rose Gray article

Thank you for making some modifications to the Rose Gray article - I only created this article after hearing on news on BBC Radio 4 that she had passed away. I remember that it was just under a year ago (in March 2009) that you filled me in with details of how Kosuke Koyama had died, and how you had read his obituary in the New York Times, and said that you would have started a stub if there had not been an article on Koyama in the English Wikipedia. I was in a similar position with Rose Gray - she did not have an article in Wikipedia, but as her death was quite a news-worthy feature, she seemed notable enough to merit one. Many thanks to you and to all the others who have worked hard on improving the page - I am not an expert on chefs (my job is to teach Psychology) so I appreciate co-operation from other Wikipedians on this article. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:43, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No prob—and thanks for starting it. You should probably nominate it for a DYK. ^Bongo_matic 03:15, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Backwards Music Station

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGjoEvEPtvU

This is one source of, well, the sound. Also, this website talks about it. http://laughtrack.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/the-backwards-station/ I'm currently looking for a reliable, possibly institutional article about the station. It also appears that this is one of possibly two active number stations.

Also, thank you for your help. I really appreciate it.

Sean 0000001 (talk) 06:07, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I posted this on my user site about three days ago.

Unfortunately, I don't think these qualify as WP:RS. ^Bongo_matic 07:30, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What about this? http://www.audiopronews.ro/2010/01/the-backward-music-station-enigma-%E2%80%98xm%E2%80%99/

It is a news source, so I think that it could count.

Could we possibly incubate this article? As I said in the discussion page of the article, I don't know that much about this subject, and someone else might know more.

Also, a personal question, how'd you get all that neat stuff on your user page? Mine's almost completely blank.

Sean 0000001 (talk) 06:27, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like a blog reposting the contents of another blog to me. You can just move the article to your user space by clicking the "move" tab when viewing the article, and enter "User:Sean 0000001/Backwards Music Station. Then edit the original page—now a redirect—and replace the content with {{tl|db-r2}. Then you can work on the article in your own time.

The user page? The boxes I cribbed from elsewhere. The bacon barnstar was awarded for my having created the Bacon Explosion article. The rest of anything fun there—including the info box—is vandalism from friends. ^Bongo_matic 08:21, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bongomatic, I truly appreciate all the help that you've given me. Bless you. As for the article, I'll incubate it and work on it in my free time, as you suggested.

I can't thank you enough.

Sincerely,

Sean

67.83.48.26 (talk) 05:30, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The RfC on the Community de-Adminship proposal has begun

The RfC on the Community de-Adminship proposal was started on the 22nd Feb, and it runs for 28 days. Please note that the existing CDA proposal was (in the end) run as something of a working compromise, so CDA is still largely being floated as an idea.

Also note that, although the RfC is in 'poll format' (Support, Oppose, and Neutral, with Comments underneath), this RfC is still essentially a 'Request for Comment'. Currently, similar comments on CDA's value are being made under all three polls.

Whatever you vote, your vote is welcome!

Regards, Matt Lewis (talk) 11:18, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Steve Titus#Requested move

Hi, Bongomatic. Because you participated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Titus (2nd nomination), you may be interested in Talk:Steve Titus#Requested move. Cunard (talk) 18:45, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What up, Bongo? Just a quick hey--gotta run off to class. Keep fighting the good fight. Drmies (talk) 16:47, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for saying "hi", Doc. Hope all is going well—I seem to always be reading about your latest BBQs, so I assume they are. I thought you knew, though, that I'm a lover, not a fighter. ^Bongo_matic 23:00, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Happy spring!

Hey Bongo. I haven't seen you around much lately. Are you working a job? You didn't get a girlfriend did you? Anyway, I just wanted to stop by and say hello. Take care of yourself! And good luck with the posture and diction classes at secretarial school. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:37, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi COM. Thanks for the note. Pro wrestlers aren't the only ones who have to take the occasional beating for work—things have been rather hectic (but not unpleasant—nothing to complain about, certainly) off wiki. Hope everything is copacetic! ^Bongo_matic 23:03, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know?

Yoshi Same and Different is fake. Can you edit again to remove the fake books? Do it and I'll be your friend.

I deleted that one. If there are others, you are free to remove them yourself. ^Bongo_matic 02:19, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted And to Think That I saw it on Mulberry Street because it was never part of Beginner Books. Also removed the Boohbah, Teletubbies, Peep and a Like Friend books because these were fakes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.119.71 (talk) 21:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

inre Question 23

Thank you. Your note about the overlooked question came at a time after I had been doing some deep reflection on my work here at Wikipedia, and it allowed me to best express my thoughts on a very cogent subject. Its quite long (sorry). But again, thank you very, very much for the question. Best regards, Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 08:42, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Clipbucket

Heeeey Bongo, nice to know you're still around, and keeping an eye on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clipbucket. The smell of dirty socks is all over the place there--I'm pretty sure any closing admin would see this too, right? I mean, I don't have to point it out, right? Oh, I got a note from Kelapstick: he's in Mongolia. Mongolia! Now that is an exciting place. Thanks, and take care, Drmies (talk) 02:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mongolia is a particularly exciting place for miners. I have no idea how the food is there, though.

Dirty socks? Nah--transparent, easy to identify and ignore socks. Think you're right, but still worth slapping on the obligatory {{spa}} when it's warranted. ^Bongo_matic 03:40, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He said the bacon was awful! Drmies (talk) 04:33, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fury Comics and various GA sites

Excuse me what exactly was wrong with the links I put in. They were links to complete comics that are in the public domain, free and with not a commercial banner in sight. How was putting in external links to actual source material in anyway invading pages. Surely a link to the comic books that the article is about are extremely good!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by EManac (talk • contribs) 10:18, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the Wikipedia guideline on external links. It can be found here. ^Bongo_matic 15:39, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I read that BEFORE I submitted any links ... they are ideal .. they refer to SOURCE material they are the ACTUAL comics the article is about. I did not add any editorial content or delete any other links There is no spamming as ALL the links I submitted referred to UNIQUE pages that only included comics that DIRECTLY related to the article. There are links there to covers ... I provided links to FULL comics ...

I refer you to the below text in guidelines

"The most important first step is to focus on content, and not on editors. Wikipedia is built upon the principle of collaboration and assuming that the efforts of others are in good faith is important to any community."

"Most situations are not urgent. Please give both yourself and the other party some time."

"Assume good faith; in other words, try to consider the person on the other end of the discussion to be a hinking, rational being who is trying to positively contribute to Wikipedia. Even if you're convinced that they're evil reptilian kitten-eaters from another planet, still pretend they're acting in good faith. Ninety percent of the time, you'll find that they actually are acting in good faith (and wouldn't you have looked stupid if you'd accused them of being evil)."

"6.Particularly, don't revert good faith edits. Reverting is a little too powerful sometimes, hence the three-revert rule. Don't succumb to the temptation, unless you're reverting very obvious vandalism (like "LALALALAL*&*@#@THIS_SUX0RZsammygoo", or someone changing "4+5=9" to "4+5=30"). If you really can't stand something, revert once, with an edit summary something like "(rv) I disagree strongly, I'll explain why in talk." and immediately take it to talk (the discussion page)."

So I still do not understand why you removed links to UNIQUE data the ACTUAL Comics the article is about ... as an example a link to 30 full issues of Captain Marvel surely this link is the most important of all the external links. I think rather than a 1 line reply with a link that a fuller explanation is needed as currently it would look to outsiders that your revertion is close to vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EManac (talk • contribs) 16:14, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please see in particular WP:ELNEVER item 1, which states: "Material that violates the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations should not be linked." The linked website displays only copyrighted materials and has no suggestion of having any license to display such. ^Bongo_matic 16:45, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I repeat ALL THE COMICS I have provided links to are in THE PUBLIC DOMAIN —Preceding unsigned comment added by EManac (talk • contribs) 16:52, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies Bongomatic, it would be useful if there was a single talk page to answer this on and I'm not comfortable with using someone else's talk page, but it's only logical to not spread discussion over a number of pages. Can I first cover a number of convention issues:

1 new sections should be added to the bottom of someone' talk page, not the top - it's a bit like queue jumping, and I for one don't look at the top of my talk page, that's old stuff;
2 if there's going to be discussion about something, I'd suggest that a reply talk page would be useful. 'Assume good faith' of course, but on occasions when someone does something unusual and there's no 'return address' it does tend to colour judgement a little. Not to mention, I would have messaged you about the entries when I came across them, but how?

I have some concerns over Public Domain - personally I'd be looking for clarification now that DC Comics are publishing the characters in Zip/Blue Ribbon etc.

Personally, I've just assumed that these kind of links aren't permissible because I haven't come across any (so it could simply be a case of nobody does it so nobody does it). Could easily be I'm wrong, so I've put a query on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Comics to check the policy (it might have been a good idea to do that first). Let's see what happens. In the meantime, 'Disputed links should be excluded by default until there is a consensus to include them', so no more should be added.WP:ELBURDEN.Cheers!Archiveangel (talk) 18:48, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

1) There are links on wikipedia to covers and selected pages already on certain comic articles.

2) All the comics on furycomics are in the public domain .. most of the raw scans I worked with originate from goldenagecomics.co.uk (the site is down tempoarily over easter) but there is a sister site which is basically a mirror http://digitalcomicmuseum.com/. The sites hold downloaded archives. All the scans there are checked by a variety of admins to make sure they are in the public domain. Also notice that I have no content for Superman/Batman/Captain America etc ... as these are very much in copyright. All the comics are 40-50's and none are modern as again these are copyrighted.

3) Hopefully you'll see my point that they are prime source and great links ... I have spent many months on this project and wanted to share. I have absolutely no intention of spamming, scamming or breaking copyright laws.

4) Sorry if I have been a bit "grumpy" but I spent most of yesterday finding the pages and linking checking links etc and had just about finished. And thought I'd made a great contribution, then I found all my work had been reversed. I will just say again this is public domain content.

Best regards,

Mark

Cheers! for the speedy deletion of FuryComics.com attempt to invade a number of GA pages saving me a late night checking them all or a shock this morning approximately equal to finding out there's no cheese for breakfast (v high on the Richter Scale, I'll tell you, but never happens). Help yourself to a beer from the fridge. Archiveangel (talk) 08:23, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]