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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:51, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rex Roy

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This article is about a freelance journalist which does not meet notability. He is certainly a published joournalist. However trying to find significant coverage about him turns up not much. I found this. His coffee table book was excerpted in the NY Times. That's notu enough to establish notability for me, but this far from a clear cut case so bringin this to AFD for more eyes. Whpq (talk) 17:52, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Article was started by Wikipedia name "Rex from Detroit." Hmmmmm. Carrite (talk) 16:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Second relist rationale. The article is a BLP. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A real columnist for a real newspaper, in fact, the 12th largest paper in the United States. I checked. An obvious keep. The article needs a general cleanup but that's not a reason to delete. patsw (talk) 00:48, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No third party commentary is in the article on him or his published material. He may be a prolific author but that doesn't mean he is notable. Miami33139 (talk) 02:43, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Roy's column is not self-published. The multiple publishers who have decided to engage him are third parties. 15:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Question What is it about being a columnist for the 12th largest newspaper in the United States that you do not find notable? patsw (talk) 15:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Has not had substantial coverage from multiple independent sources. Simply authoring a large quantity of stuff is not criteria for inclusion. SPA issues. Christopher Connor (talk) 17:51, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Question What sort of multiple independent sources do you expect a newspaper columnist and author to have?

Comment He's an automotive columnist for a newspaper in the automobile capital of the U.S. He's written a book published by the major automotive genre publisher, and the book according to its Amazon page got reviewed by the people one would expect to review books in that genre. The delete arguments here resemble examples at WP:IDONTKNOWIT patsw (talk) 21:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. This has been open for the better part of a month, and all I'm seeing here is no consensus to do anything at all. Courcelles (talk) 09:11, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lindsey Cardinale

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American Idol also-ran. Almost no sources, no notability per WP:MUSIC. Contains speculation/OR such as "In late 2007, it was announced that Lindsey had signed with Aria Records Nashville. Her name has since been removed from their website and it appears that Aria Records has released Cardinale from her contract." (As an aside, Aria Records has not proven notable enough for an article.) A search for sources turned up only information dating from her time on American Idol, absolutely nothing after the fact. She appeared on a Christmas album compilation which is also up at AFD for lack of notability. Last AFD was closed as speedy keep due to disruption. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 20:04, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Should have been deleted a year ago. Unable to locate sufficient reliable third-party sources independent of the subject to establish WP:N. Does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. J04n(talk page) 12:25, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article was previously unreferenced, but just now I've added several citations, over several years up to 2009. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 20:28, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:MUSIC #4 #1 and #9. Aspects (talk) 06:56, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to badger but I'm not seeing that she meets 4 or 9. I only see "occasional Idol-related performances" with only one show referenced and she came in 12th on Idol, not what I would consider placing. Her biggest non-Idol accomplishment is that she was a spokesperson for a local auto dealer? one non-charting single? I could go for Merge to American Idol (season 4) but anything else would be far too generous. J04n(talk page) 01:46, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I do not know what I was thinking, I meant to put #1 with the newly found sources by Paul Erik. I do consider being a finalist on American Idol as placing in a major music competition. Aspects (talk) 17:57, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Being an Idol finalist alone confers notability. This seems to be the established threshold by the wikiproject, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Idol series#Guidelines, as well. Tarc (talk) 13:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to American Idol (season 4). Accomplishments and coverage not significant enought to pass WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO.--137.122.49.102 (talk) 17:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Second relist rationale. The article is a BLP. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect don't delete the history, the article can be recovered if she does anything notable outside placing 12th on a local tv show. Miami33139 (talk) 02:45, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
American Idol is a local TV show? I think the coverage is enough to pass WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO criterion #1, although just barely. There are a couple of newspaper articles that are about her specifically. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I'm unconvinced there's enough coverage to pass GNG, even if they are a finalist. If they are and they're notable then there should be substantial coverage elsewhere too. Shadowjams (talk) 09:05, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Celebrity is not notability, American Idol finalist or not.Mtiffany71 (talk) 19:21, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In response to the last two, we're not dealing with WP:GNG here. We're dealing with WP:MUSICBIO, where an Idol finalist meets #9 and maybe #12. Also the WikiProject (WP:IDOL) appears to have dealt with this issue time and time again, and looking through the history of various AFDs, I see broad precedent for the creation of articles on finalists. Tarc (talk) 21:11, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

American Idol is an elimination competition. There's no "2nd place." There's one winner, and everyone else loses. No one places, ergo #9 does not apply. And that she appeared on the series does not make her the subject of the series, ergo #12 does not apply.Mtiffany71 (talk) 00:18, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Er, no, there is nothing even remotely true in what you just said. Tarc (talk) 02:05, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Agree with above comments, by Mtiffany71 (talk · contribs), J04n (talk · contribs), and TenPoundHammer (talk · contribs). She got 12th place, that's nice. But there does not really seem to be enough there in terms of significant coverage. Subject fails WP:NOTE. -- Cirt (talk) 19:29, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just to reiterate what I said in the deletion review I was unsure how to respond to others' comments here, because others are not stating what is insufficient about the sources I added. Multiple reliable sources discuss the subject, some of the articles discuss her exclusively—that usually is enough for WP:NOTE, is it not? Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 19:41, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly meets WP:N given the sources added by Paul Erik. I'm curious why those who feel she fails WP:N believe that when there are three sources that cover her in depth. Hobit (talk) 22:57, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete 12th place is not notable enough, not made a celebrity. Losing finalists who lost their fame after American Idol. Well, the show is a signing competition, not a local event. ApprenticeFan ^work 02:20, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A review of the reliable and verifiable sources provided in the article that are about the article's subject meets the Wikipedia Notability standard. Alansohn (talk) 02:21, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - It does appear this topic has received significant coverage from reliable secondary sources, thus passing WP:NOTE and its WP:GNG. --Oakshade (talk) 03:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:MUSICBIO and indeed WP:GNG by having received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I can't see a policy-based delete rationale here. Alzarian16 (talk) 08:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
comment: When I first !voted on this AfD it was unreferenced. I now went back and have decided not to change my !vote. Other than finishing 12th on American Idol Ms Cardinale has twice performed at Ponchatoula's Strawberry Festival, become the spokesperson for the Bill Hood Automotive Family in Southern Louisiana, switched her major to journalism, released a single that did not chart, and signed with a label and produced no albums in 3 years. Is there coverage? Apparently yes. Of anything notable? I'm not seeing it. This page should be redirected to American Idol (season 4). J04n(talk page) 09:19, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Coverage of something which you consider notable isn't required, just coverage. Otherwise, were I in charge, we'd have no articles on porn stars or any but the most notable athletes. We've agreed on WP:N as a way of judging notability. Yes, there can be exceptions to it (it's a guideline after all) but if you really want to replace WP:N with "I do or don't personally think this is notable" that's a pretty big step and I'd ask that you reconsider it. Hobit (talk) 13:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If that were the case every highschool quarterback would be notable. I'm sorry but coverage of her appearances in a strawberry festival are not going to convince me that she is a notable subject. Spirit of the law should not be trumped by letter of the law.J04n(talk page) 13:42, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Significant coverage in 3 states is unlikely in a HS quarterback and is a darn good sign of notability. Heck, honestly coverage of a HS quarterback in any detail is rare these days. I've not seen any such coverage in our local paper in the last 10 years. To see multiple RSes providing non-trivial coverage of a HS Quarterback would actually be a pretty good indication of notability. Hobit (talk) 15:27, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep The article needs some work, particularly in the opening paragraph where notability is supposed to be indicated (should mention her modelling, spokesperson and recording deal), but the sources and content in the rest of the article indicates that the subject is somewhat notable. Freakshownerd (talk) 14:01, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The article just does not tell us why she is important, as nice a person as she seems to be. Also, press coverage gives us permission to have an article on someone -- but it does not compel us to have one if there is nothing important for people to know about the person. Also if 1,000 years from now, when there will have been hundreds of Idol-like shows, is WP going to have an article on every finalist? That could be millions of people.Borock (talk) 04:14, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:53, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dusty Brill

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Subject appears to be a "replacement" professional musician, which means he doesn't meet WP:BAND. The article uses a single source, which does not address the subject in detail. Found one other source that is also a trivial mention, so subject does not meet WP:GNG. Akerans (talk) 23:34, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Second relist rationale. The article is a BLP. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete if the nominator is correct. Miami33139 (talk) 02:46, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:53, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of Hispanic pornographic actors

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Most of these people are only marginally "hispanic." Unsourced "Original research." Melanesian obsession (talk) 04:29, 9 July 2010 (UTC)Amended rationale everything I said in my first nomination and I would add that this list if rife with actual and potential "Biography of Living Person" issues. Melanesian obsession (talk) 23:20, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for WP:OR hyphenated Americanism. Eddie.willers (talk) 14:39, 9 July 2010 (UTC); * Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 18:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It isn't clear what "marginally 'hispanic'" means, and I can't find it anywhere as a reason for deletion. Every list member's biography should indicate that the person is Hispanic, and it should be supported by WP:RS. Poor sourcing is not a valid reason for deletion. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 18:54, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete as totally impractical as an encyclopedia article when one considers that pornographic actors are often represented as Latino or given Hispanic names when they are not. I can't imagine this article could ever be anything close to encyclopedic and accurate, so I am opining "thumbs down" on the basis of common sense rather than specific policy. --Griseum (talk) 05:54, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Unsourced pornotrivia of no serious scholarly value. Carrite (talk) 21:56, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 20:55, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Victim Rights Law Center

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I've contested my own speedy tag on this one as the hangon rationale, on the talk page, asserts some marginal notability. However, I don't think it is enough to pass WP:CORP and WP:NOBLECAUSE. Delete. Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 05:43, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There is significant coverage in multiple secondary sources asserting the notability of this organization. (The Oregonian, Boston Globe) Gobonobo ^T ^C 15:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The one in the Oregonian seems to be about an organization with the same name in Portland OR, not the one in Boston. Either way, it's a trivial mention. The one in boston.com is less trivial, but still insufficient. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 17:00, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The law center has offices in both Boston and Portland. Gobonobo ^T ^C 17:16, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. Seems to be marginally notable as described in Boston Globe and local press.Biophys (talk) 23:14, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the quoted ref's are not significant enough to pass WP:CORP. Codf1977 (talk) 09:29, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep In addition to the references cited at the page, there are a bunch of others [1] in national Reliable Sources including the Washington Post and USA Today. --MelanieN (talk) 14:29, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Tibetan and Himalayan Library. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 20:51, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tibetan Machine Uni

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Seems like a font like any other to me. No sign of notability, no secondary sources. -- Prince Kassad (talk) 13:57, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Tibetan and Himalayan Library, which it was developed for. Fences&Windows 18:27, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Athletics at the 2010 South American Games. There are several incidents of individual sports events being broken out into standalone articles, though sometimes, as with this one, there is little sense of the benefit gained, especially when the sub-article mainly repeats the information contained in the parent article. Such practise is contrary to guidelines - see WP:Sports event and WP:AVOIDSPLIT as well as the spirit of WP:Not, WP:MERGE and WP:Stub which indicates that articles which do not have obvious potential to grow are probably best not being created, or if they are created then they should be merged. If there were a gain of material, then splitting is appropriate, but splitting simply to duplicate the material into a new place is not helpful. There are some items of information contained in this article which can be easily incorporated in the parent article (the finishing times), but mostly it is repetition. I would support anyone going through Category:Athletics at the 2010 South American Games and merging where appropriate. SilkTork *^YES! 16:36, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Athletics at the 2010 South American Games – Women's 4 x 400m relay

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There are a whole string of articles based on one this set of games. There is not much notable about the specific event itself, and it surely belongs as part of the main article, where the bulk of the detail currently exists. This seems to be contrary to WP:Encyclopaedic and is something more akin to a specific sports or athletic site. billinghurst sDrewth 02:47, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As part of an established series of articles for events like this (Olympics, Commonwealth Games, etc). Lugnuts (talk) 17:04, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge and Delete per nom. Maashatra11 (talk) 18:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What about all the articles in the parent category? Lugnuts (talk) 19:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They should all be merged into a parent article IMHO. Maashatra11 (talk) 19:14, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I feel that these individual events are like the individual dates issues, and not notable as individual events, instead as the collection. I would support them being moved to the Portal namespace and then organising them as subpages, allowing the article on the 2010 South American Games to act as the encyclopaedic article. With regard to the Olympic Games, Commonwealth games etc. I would believe that the bulk of the articles fall into the same category, and that there may be an article or two that is notable within each games that could stand as an notable article itself. billinghurst sDrewth 23:20, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the above comment by User:billinghurst. Maashatra11 (talk) 23:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. No objection to someone redirecting later after AFD close, as an editor-decision. -- Cirt (talk) 01:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Elin Harries

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fails WP:ENT. one role only. she doesn't even have an IMDB listing. LibStar (talk) 00:49, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per above. Eddie.willers (talk) 14:52, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect stub to Pobol y Cwm where she has sourcable context. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 02:24, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Lacks notability. Even if the program in which she currently appears is notable, notability is not heritable.Mtiffany71 (talk) 17:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, lacks independent notability... and that is why a redirect of a reasonable search term will suffice. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Loughton Residents Association

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Residents association that does not satisfy the notability guidelines, has no references or reasons stating its notability. -- Jack?! 20:18, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Tons of coverage in reliable sources see [2] , --MelanieN (talk) 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as a non-notable local residents association. Its stated rationale for notability, that it has "unusually, elected councillors at all three levels of local government" is not that unusual at all. In many rural locations throughout the UK residents associations and parish councils tend to have all local government representatives sitting on them. -- role^player 10:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. That the writer finds it "very unusual" that a specific group has members who have been "elected councillors at all three levels of local government" makes that fact trivial, not notable.Mtiffany71 (talk) 17:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 20:49, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sharko

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Article shows nothing to satisfy notability. No references on the article and little coverage on searching. Per WP:BAND -- Jack?! 20:05, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - This Belgian band appears to have its coverage primarily in French. [3], [4] are examples. As my French is rather pathetic, I'm not digging any further but this google news search would indicate there is coverage in French available to establish notabiltiy -- Whpq (talk) 16:47, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Band seems to be notable enough in the French-speaking world. Don't know why people who don't speak the language would think they have some special insight into French or Belgian culture to decide what lacks notability.Mtiffany71 (talk) 17:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fourthwall Cinema

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per Wikipedia is not a dictionary, usage, slang, and/or idiom guide and not neologism. Mostly failed verification. The only information properly sourced is that which is related to the film FrICTION (the second paragraph). Basically, it is the only sourced Fourthwall Cinema film and one film does not make a movement. Google Searches for "Fourth wall Cinema" and "Fourthwall Cinema" bring up nothing of note. Kollision (talk) 19:45, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Fourth wall#Film & television, where the concept has its sourced context. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 01:34, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Subject lacks notability. Unsourced claims that certain films fall into this made-up category are or border on original research.Mtiffany71 (talk) 17:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 04:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Current Affairs (Event Planning and Production Company)

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Contested proposed deletion, not mine. This is an essentially advertising article about an event planning business that fails to establish significance. While it apparently has references, they all appear to be puff pieces in minor trade publications with local or limited readership. There's no indication that this business "has had any significant or demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education." And while the fact that The company has a staff of 10 may not in itself establish non-notability, the article does not really say anything that suggests that they aren't just another firm in the field. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 15:15, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - it is spammy, but several of the sources look reliable - in particular the business journals, which are syndicated and well-known. It seems, therefore, to be barely notable. I am leaning towards a keep, but the "peacock language" has to go. Bearian (talk) 16:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. That some of the sources may be reliable, I grant. But I'm not sure that anything they say, or for that matter anything the article says, establishes the "long-term historical notability" of this business. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 02:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

True! That's why I think it's a weak keep. Bearian (talk) 16:42, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non-notable. The sources are very unimpressive - mostly press releases plus a few "business briefs". One actual article, in the Pacific Business News, about the company/its founder, dating from 2008. IMO this doesn't amount to "significant coverage in independent reliable sources." --MelanieN (talk) 04:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Re-hashing press releases and appearing in local business briefs is not substantial coverage. Miami33139 (talk) 02:49, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus with leave to speedy renominate. However, I notice from the article's history that the nominator is the only substantial contributor. Therefore, it might be eligible for speedy deletion under CSD G7. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:41, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Baumrind's four styles

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This content was copied from Parenting style before a major edit there. I didn't intend this article to exist by itself, which is why I had made it a sub-page of Parenting style. All of the useful content is still present on other articles. Rixs (talk) 14:22, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Why not split the articles though? I am not sure if Baumrind's four necessarily needs to be part of the Parenting article. If it is a trend in parenting thinking, it might have enough notability for independent status. Sadads (talk) 11:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This text is fundamentally about parenting styles, and so that other page is the proper place to explain it. Having looked into the topic of parenting, I've found no better theoretical overview of parenting styles. She set out to structure the topic of parenting styles, and she achieved it very well. So splitting it makes no sense to me. The text in this article was only copied out as a backup. Not for real use. I have no problem with the notability. It surely is noteable. -- Rixs (talk) 09:01, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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There are only two of us that care about this page. I created it as a COPY of existing material on Parenting styles in a sub-page before editing. Then Sadads moved it to be a major article. It is still a DUPLICATE of the material, now reworked, on Parenting styles. This page is an unnecessary orphan. -- Rixs (talk) 19:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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