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No, I'm not a vandal, a POV pusher or going around attacking people of other groups. I go around clear the missinformations placed by people who do those things. With [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Afghans_in_Pakistan&curid=22663356&diff=374803083&oldid=374802621 this] I want everyone to know exactly how many Afghans live in Karachi based on official government sources, because Pakistani nationalists always claim that millions of Afghans live in Karachi but that's way off. Pakistan has a very tough system when it comes to illegals, every person must show ID on daily bases to police when they are pulled over at check posts. And making Pakistani computerized ID is exttremely difficult because the birth records of father and grandfathers are required. All this info is placed in central computers at [[NADRA]] office, along with finger print and facial photo. So, there are no 100s of thousands of Afghans walking around with fake IDs in Pakistan as what some Pakistani editor tried to put in the article. There may be, however, a small number of people who made this. Pakistan's law punishes a person who makes a fake ID wit 5 years in jail so that's another reason why Afghans don't do such criminal act.--[[Special:Contributions/119.73.6.164|119.73.6.164]] ([[User talk:119.73.6.164|talk]]) 06:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
No, I'm not a vandal, a POV pusher or going around attacking people of other groups. I go around clear the missinformations placed by people who do those things. With [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Afghans_in_Pakistan&curid=22663356&diff=374803083&oldid=374802621 this] I want everyone to know exactly how many Afghans live in Karachi based on official government sources, because Pakistani nationalists always claim that millions of Afghans live in Karachi but that's way off. Pakistan has a very tough system when it comes to illegals, every person must show ID on daily bases to police when they are pulled over at check posts. And making Pakistani computerized ID is exttremely difficult because the birth records of father and grandfathers are required. All this info is placed in central computers at [[NADRA]] office, along with finger print and facial photo. So, there are no 100s of thousands of Afghans walking around with fake IDs in Pakistan as what some Pakistani editor tried to put in the article. There may be, however, a small number of people who made this. Pakistan's law punishes a person who makes a fake ID wit 5 years in jail so that's another reason why Afghans don't do such criminal act.--[[Special:Contributions/119.73.6.164|119.73.6.164]] ([[User talk:119.73.6.164|talk]]) 06:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:Please stop removing sourced edits. --[[User:Saqib Qayyum|<font face="Georgia" size="3" style="color:#000000;color:black"><i>Saki</i></font>]] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">[[user_talk:Saqib Qayyum|talk]]</span></sup> 08:09, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:Please stop removing sourced edits. --[[User:Saqib Qayyum|<font face="Georgia" size="3" style="color:#000000;color:black"><i>Saki</i></font>]] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">[[user_talk:Saqib Qayyum|talk]]</span></sup> 08:09, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

::By any chance you ([[User:Saki]]) and [[User:CaliforniaAliBaba]] are not the same person?--[[Special:Contributions/119.73.6.164|119.73.6.164]] ([[User talk:119.73.6.164|talk]]) 08:29, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

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Hello, CaliforniaAliBaba, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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I voted "delete", but then I read your note, looked at your user page, noted you had a "Complaints about Wikipedia" essay, read it, and saw this:

"No English sources" or "Not notable in English, only sources are in Japanese/Spanish/etc" are not acceptable reasons for deletion.

I've been ambivalent about this for a long time. If you look at my AfD note, you'll see I tried to find reasonable sources in English, but not in Farsi because ... well, I just don't know what I'm doing in Farsi. And my default assumption about English Wikipedia is: not notable in English -- no need for the article.

A few months ago, however, I installed Google Translate Toolbar, and it's really opening the world up to me. Until just now, it never occurred to me that I might track down any AfD discussion on deleting the BLP for Alikhani in Farsi, but I did it and it only took minutes. (The result was keep, but there was significant controversy.)

I think it's worth some formal policy effort (if there hasn't been some already) to determine when a topic that's vanishingly notable in one language is nevertheless notable enough in another to be included. I just don't know what that policy would look like, how you'd set the bar. Anyway, thanks for the AfD comment, and I'll certainly consider changing my vote because of it, and because of where it took me: here. :-) Yakushima (talk) 14:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Replied. cab (talk) 00:47, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed on your userpage that you have the template "ko-1". Would you take a look at the Korean-language sources provided at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr. Kenneth K. Kim and see if they are neutral reliable sources? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 04:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Hi, I am the creator of Dr. Kenneth K. Kim's article/page, and am very embarrassed to also say that it is my very first article and it has been an epic failure at this point. No, I am not affiliated with the Doctor in the sense that I have never met him, I am not him, and I am not paid by him, but my mom works for a korean newspaper and they recently did an article on him which is how i found out about him and apparently this is enough to fall under the "conflict of interest" category for his page.
Anyways, I added another article, which was the Yahoo! News one, that I would also greatly appreciate if you could provide some support/validity to the statements made in the claims. the link is here: http://kr.news.yahoo.com/service/news/shellview.htm?linkid=15&articleid=20090617030000497i9&newssetid=87
There was another article, which was from The Korea Daily, and it is not online although I do have a scanned/digital copy of it. I am not sure how to get that one checked but if you could let me know how I could. I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you!People bios (talk) 04:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Commented at AfD and replied. cab (talk) 06:21, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I just read your user page and realized you were in it for the same cause ^__^ I align myself along similar views, especially because I always grew up feeling like I had an identity crises because of things like this. I think it's sad that so many people don't realize how many things get skewed because they lose their meaning during translation. I am also really amazed at how many articles you wrote! I am going to try and write more once this whole fiasco clears up. I am not trying to botch history and make it skewed, but I think sometimes people don't realize how difficult it is to make it in history when the odds are against you due to reasons XYZ.People bios (talk) 19:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the in-depth analysis of the sources. You have been very helpful. Cunard (talk) 07:10, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there, thanks for commenting. I have closed the discussion as withdrawn. I have moved the article, but as I am unfamiliar with Persian feel free to tidy it up if anything needs doing. Jujutacular T · C 02:41, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not disruptive

Hi, I removed unsourced POVs claims from Afghans in Pakistan and you reverted by faithful edits. Cane you please explain where is the source to back up this claim "However prior to this stage hundreds of thousands of refugees had already obtained Pakistani national identity. Scores of Afghanis who acquired Pakistani identity are settled in a number of countries."? The sources attached does not mention anything of such, it only says 2.4 million Afghans were registered.

I removed the part explaining to which provinces of Afghanistan they returned because that's irrelevant to Afghans in Pakistan. This article should only focus on Afghans that ARE in Pakistan.

About NWFP, I wrote that Khyber Pakhtunkhwa was formerly NWFP. Please review my edits very carefully before you start reverting like an angry kid.--119.73.6.164 (talk) 05:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your point but I'm from this region and I know more. It's hard to trace those who have gone back to Afghanistan because people there move around so much, if we put that unnessary information it's like we are trying to be very sure where they are living now. Afghanistan does not even have a computerized system to register their citizens.--119.73.6.164 (talk) 05:42, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm not a vandal, a POV pusher or going around attacking people of other groups. I go around clear the missinformations placed by people who do those things. With this I want everyone to know exactly how many Afghans live in Karachi based on official government sources, because Pakistani nationalists always claim that millions of Afghans live in Karachi but that's way off. Pakistan has a very tough system when it comes to illegals, every person must show ID on daily bases to police when they are pulled over at check posts. And making Pakistani computerized ID is exttremely difficult because the birth records of father and grandfathers are required. All this info is placed in central computers at NADRA office, along with finger print and facial photo. So, there are no 100s of thousands of Afghans walking around with fake IDs in Pakistan as what some Pakistani editor tried to put in the article. There may be, however, a small number of people who made this. Pakistan's law punishes a person who makes a fake ID wit 5 years in jail so that's another reason why Afghans don't do such criminal act.--119.73.6.164 (talk) 06:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop removing sourced edits. --Saki talk 08:09, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
By any chance you (User:Saki) and User:CaliforniaAliBaba are not the same person?--119.73.6.164 (talk) 08:29, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]