Jump to content

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds: Difference between revisions

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Browse history interactively
← Previous editNext edit →
Content deleted Content added
VisualWikitext
Line 158: Line 158:
:::I am not sure if there are any rail species that look similar. Could the old illustration have faded? [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 18:27, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
:::I am not sure if there are any rail species that look similar. Could the old illustration have faded? [[User:Snowmanradio|Snowman]] ([[User talk:Snowmanradio|talk]]) 18:27, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


::::Snow, I have reviewed the photo. The Gould work is Gallirallus philippensis. Neither the Lewin's, nor the sometimes condidered related mirificus, have a buff-breast band, nor the white supercilia, plus the bill conformation is different.[[User:Cuckooroller|Steve Pryor]] ([[User talk:Cuckooroller|talk]]) 14:46, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
::::Snow, I have reviewed the replica of the Gould lithograph. It is Gallirallus philippensis, and there is no doubt. Neither the Lewin's, nor the sometimes considered related mirificus, have a buff-breast band, nor the white supercilia, plus the bill conformation is different.[[User:Cuckooroller|Steve Pryor]] ([[User talk:Cuckooroller|talk]]) 14:46, 19 September 2012 (UTC)


== Alternative names ==
== Alternative names ==

Revision as of 14:48, 19 September 2012

WikiProject Birds
General information
Main project page talk
Naming and capitalization
 → Article requests
 → Spoken Article requests talk
 → Photo requests talk
 → Attention needed talk
 → New articles talk
Project portal talk
Project banner talk
Project category talk
Departments
Assessment talk
Collaboration talk
Featured topics talk
Outreach talk
Peer review talk
Country lists talk
Bird articles by size talk
Hot articles talk
Popular pages talk
Task forces
Domestic pigeon task force talk
Poultry task force talk
edit · changes

Birds for identification (149)

Birds for identification are usually done is sets of 10 here. The numbering makes it easier to find in the archives and the series has a format that most people here are familiar with. The next series is "Birds for identification (149)" and starts with bird 1490 and ends with bird 1499. Snowman (talk) 19:09, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Both vultures are C. burrovianus. 2nd with active moult in remiges, giving it a superficially C. melambrotus pattern on one wing. 212.10.64.226 (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the identification and explanation. --Leyo 22:06, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think that it is not fair tactics to reveal a fairly precise location after someone has tried hard to identify with only rather vague location details submitted with the identification request. I note that the image description on Commons has rather vague location details. Snowman (talk) 21:15, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(Comment to your deleted statement) My preliminary identification was Blue-fronted Amazon, but among other things its beak seems to be larger.
When you click on observation in the range map, there is one point quite close to the location (Transpantaneira between Poconé and Porto Jofre). So, I think Yellow-crowned Amazon is correct. --Leyo 22:04, 27 August 2012 (UTC) PS. “South of Poconé” was not really a new information since Poconé is located at the northern end of the Pantanal. [Added by Leyo 10:55 30 August 2012 (UTC)][reply]
I would encourage people to list locations here in a way that can be readily understood and preferably with out the need to cross-reference or extrapolate information from other pictures on Commons or another image website, especially since most people will not be very familiar with geography of places far away from where they live and errors can be made by presumptive extrapolation. Snowman (talk) 12:23, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am beginning to think that it is a nominate Blue-fronted Amazon, perhaps immature or a female, and I might guess a immature female. There is a small blue patch of fethers above the beak. The yellow on the head is variable in this species. Females have less yellow on the head. The parrot with its back to the camera (on the right) has more yellow on its head. Adults have orange irises and juveniles have brown irises. The one in the centre of the picture has brown irises. See File:Papagaio (Fêmea) REFON 010907.jpg, which is said to be a female. Snowman (talk) 22:14, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
How many parrots were there in the group? Did they look like a several of a family or two of a pair? Did they have a nest near-by? Snowman (talk) 22:31, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There were only two and no nest. Unfortunately, they flew away shortly after being spotted. The photo is the only shot I could take. --Leyo 22:42, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
My book says juveniles have dark brown irises and adults have orange irises, and perhaps they mean a darker brown colour than shown by the parrot in the centre of the photograph. The behaviour tends to suggest that they are a bonded pair. I think that their location, behaviour, and appearance indicates that they are a pair of adult Blue-fronted Amazons. Snowman (talk) 09:36, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What does your book say about the Yellow-crowned Amazon (in addition to what is in the article)? --Leyo 13:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The behaviors of A. aestiva and A. ochrocephala are essentially identical, and they're closely related. Or rather, south Amazonian A. ochrocephala is very close to, and may hybridize with, A. aestiva (see 2nd paragraph in Yellow-crowned Amazon#Taxonomy). The species limits in this region are not nearly as striking as most literature suggests, though there certainly is a clear tendency towards "typical" A. o. nattereri features (small yellow crown patch, at most faint bluish tinge to forecrown) in the north and west (Amazon), and towards "typical" A. a. aestiva features (extensive yellow around eyes, clear blue forcrown patch) in the south and east (Pantanal+Cerrado). Regardless, this photo shows what generally is labelled as A. aestiva based on appearance (clear blue forecrown, extensive yellow around eyes incl. below) and range; it is one of the most common parrots in the region. You can't really separate male/female with any sort of reliability. Sure females have less yellow on average, but there's plenty of overlap between the sexes. Disregarding the issue of possible intergradation, A. ochrocephala is common in northern and western Mato Grosso, but absent from the south and east, and entirely absent from Mato Grosso do Sul. The claimed GBIF records from southeast MT on IUCN's map (well outside its general range) should be considered questionable; I've seen plenty of people mistake immature A. aestiva for A. ochrocephala. For anyone with an interest in this pair, it is worth checking the Brazilian site wikiaves ([1], [2]). If looking at their maps, keep in mind that locations are listed by municipality (cf. municipalities in MT), distribution gaps for A. ochrocephala in W. Amazonas and N. Pará are artifacts of limited observation effort in these regions (it's regular throughout), some distribution clusters for A. aestiva in southeast Brazil are introduced populations, and the SW Pará record of A. aestiva is an individual that was seized by IBAMA and released (=unnatural occurrence). 212.10.64.226 (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It is interesting to see the presentation style on Wikiaves. I note that their material can not be used commercially, so their images can not be transcribed to Commons. Could you clarify if you think the bird in the centre of the photograph is a juvenile or an adult Blue-fronted Amazon. I presume that intergrades are healthy. Are intergrades common? Is Blue-fronted Amazon <=> Yellow-crowed Amazon a continuum? Snowman (talk) 19:57, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
@212.10.64.226: Thanks a lot for the detailled explanation.
At stated above, my first guess was A. aestiva, but the picture of another Amazona two days later (now uploaded as File:Amazona aestiva Pantanal.jpg and georeferenced) created doubts. This second bird seemed to fit much better to the appearance of A. aestiva. --Leyo 22:18, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If that is true, I hope someone has written a letter to IBAMA about their strategy of releasing parrots back into the wild. Snowman (talk) 11:44, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
PDF about the birds of Serra do Cachimbo (an interesting place w. remnant populations of several species) + info (in Portuguese) about A. aestiva in the region. The parrot in Leyo's photo is adult or nearly so. If intergrades between A. aestiva and south Amazonian A. ochrocephala are common is an open question that hasn't been fully resolved. Are A. aestiva with reduced facial pattern evidence of intergradation with south Amazonian A. ochrocephala, and are South Amazonian A. ochrocephala with more extensive facial pattern evidence of intergradation with A. aestiva? At this point we can guess, but don't know for certain. What we do know is that genetically the split between these two amazons doesn't make sense and strongly suggests extensive introgression+gene flow, cf. Ribas et al. 2007 (full citation in ref. list of Yellow-crowned Amazon article). 212.10.85.38 (talk) 13:25, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Are you referring to this photo? I ask because also the other photo is mine. :-) --Leyo 14:35, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The individual on the photo you just linked is unquestionably an adult. In my last comment I was talking about your other photo, the bird in the center of this. I believe this is the one snowman asked about in his earlier comment. 212.10.85.38 (talk) 16:09, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. I found my guidebook about parrots and the image database on Commons quite useful when thinking about the identification of Amazon parrots from their external appearance and location. Out of interest, how would an ornithologist identify a bird, perhaps one with a slightly atypical appearance? What sort of literature and databases would they refer to? To what extent is bird identification at art or a science? Snowman (talk) 18:57, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
To conclude: What would be the best way for the description on the file page? Maybe something like “Two Blue-fronted Amazons (Amazona aestiva) in the Pantanal, Mato Grosso, Brazil. Based on their appearance, they might be hybrids with Yellow-crowned Amazons (Amazona ochrocephala).”? --Leyo 15:46, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the erudite IP says that they look like Amazona aestiva. You could add that the location is where intergrads between Amazona aestiva and A. ochrocephala can be found. Snowman (talk) 12:46, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Like this? Feel free to rephrase. --Leyo 20:06, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I read the taxonomy section of the Yellow-crowned Amazon Wiki article and re-read the discussion above and then made some amendments to the English file description on Commons. Snowman (talk) 21:21, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
T. erythrolophus x T. leucotis. A reasonably common hybrid that has happened in several zoos. Not the first photo of this combination on wiki: Bird Kingdom#Gallery. 212.10.64.226 (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. That would explain it. Hybrid moved to File:Hybrid tauraco -Bird Kingdom, Niagara Falls, Canada-8a.jpg on commons. Extra files: I did not notice the en-Wiki file in the gallery of the Bird Kingdom article before. I have transfered it to File:Hybrid tauraco -Bird Kingdom, Niagara Falls, Canada-8a (1).jpg on Commons. Snowman (talk) 19:15, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Confirm female. Maias (talk) 10:49, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like Red-tailed Laughingthrush - nice if someone else can confirm. Maias (talk) 11:13, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Searching for this bird, I have just found this page about the zoo and it shows a labelled photograph of this species. Moved to File:Garrulax milnei -Bird Kingdom, Niagara Falls, Canada-8a.jpg on Commons. Snowman (talk) 12:00, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the caption there says Red-winged Laughingthrush, but I think that's wrong. Maias (talk) 12:57, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops, I did not read the caption on the webpage properly. There are a lot of laughingthruses. Snowman (talk) 13:04, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Commons has this species in the Trochalopteron genus category. Have there been any classification changes? Snowman (talk) 12:12, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We know that Garrulax is polyphyletic. Molecular studies have been done suggesting ways of breaking it up. I guess IOC will implement such changes eventually, though it is keeping the genus together for now. Maias (talk) 00:47, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Northern Mockingbird is the only bird in California, and perhaps all of North America, with that wing pattern. Natureguy1980 (talk) 15:02, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Moved to File:Mimus polyglottos -Stanford, California, USA-8.jpg on Commons. Snowman (talk) 18:22, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I feel sure that amazona is right. Thick bill, no significant white spots on wings, streaked rather than barred flanks. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 23:34, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. --Leyo 19:19, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Five times own weight" vandal

Nwood63137 contributions has been adding nonsense to bird of prey articles (5x own weight, cattle, goats etc) I've blocked him after he's had a number of warnings, just keep an eye on any raptor pages you watch in case any edits have been missed and not reverted. Also possible that activity may resume under this or another name when block expires in a month. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:09, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Page move requested

Can an admin please move Hood Mockingbird to Española Mockingbird? The IUCN name is now the latter. Several redirects (Espanola Mockingbird, Mimus macdonaldi and Nesomimus macdonaldi) will also need to be redirected to the new name. Thanks! MeegsC (talk) 14:54, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move done, a bot should fix the double redirects Jimfbleak - talk to me? 17:38, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Where does it say this is the new IOC name? I am wondering if there is some confusion here, because the Wiki mostly uses IOC names and not IUCN names. If this bird has been moved to its IUCN name, then this is controversial here and so I have moved it back. We have Mimus macdonaldi=IOC=Wiki=Hood Mockingbird. Snowman (talk) 20:30, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. Okay, so the IOC renamed three of the mockingbirds to the Spanish names of the islands rather than the English names (fair enough, since they're owned by Spanish speaking people) and left one name using the English name for the island. Makes no sense at all to me! :P (Goes off to write email to the IOC people.) MeegsC (talk) 01:10, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hood Island was named after Samuel Hood, 1st Viscount Hood and this fact can is not changed by renaming the island. There are many birds with people's names as part of the common name. Why change the name of the Hood Mockingbird? Snowman (talk) 09:24, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the bird is named for its occurrence on the island rather than for Mr. Hood. The other Galapagos islands were also named by the British for British people: San Cristobal was Chatham and Floreana was Charles. However, they have all (i.e. including the island formerly known as Hood) now been renamed. The other mockingbird names have been changed — by the IOC — to reflect their "new" island names; they are now the San Cristobal Mockingbird and the Floreana Mockingbird. I fail to see why the Hood Mockingbird remains named so! I've emailed the IOC, asking for clarification. Perhaps you are right in that the bird is named for the person rather than the island. Perhaps it was just an oversight. We shall see! MeegsC (talk) 16:55, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I presume Mr Hood's name is the same in Spanish and English. Snowman (talk) 11:47, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And Charles? They've managed to change the name of that one (island and bird), which was also named for an English person! I'm afraid I don't get your point. MeegsC (talk) 12:38, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I guess that there may have been political reasons for the Spanish to change the name of the island, which was named after an English King. Snowman (talk) 21:27, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Right. And they changed the name of Hood island too, presumably also for "political reasons"! So what's the difference?! MeegsC (talk) 16:08, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
After hearing what you have said, I do not understand it either. Snowman (talk) 18:12, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just to make things more interesting a similar renaming has been done for the reptiles of the Galapagos. For example, the Hood Lava Lizard is now called the Española Lava Lizard (Microlophus delanonis). Most of the islands were named after various royal English figures, most likely as tribute for funding the expeditions. The islands "official" names are now Spanish but many of the binomial species names still remain having been derived from the Englsh names of the islands, e.g., Microlophus indefatigabilis, Microlophus duncanensis, Chelonoidis nigra hoodensis, etc. It is not unreasonable that bird naming follow this model. Dger (talk) 19:02, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And it would make sense if that was the case with this bird's scientific name. But it's scientific name is Mimus macdonaldi, which clearly has nothing to do with Hood!  :) MeegsC (talk) 16:13, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Von der Decken's Hornbill as a pet

Hey guys - does anyone here happen to have a good ref for Von der Decken's Hornbill being kept as a pet, as opposed to an zoo/aviary/breeder bird? I wanted to add a brief mention of that in the article (I presume that it's often by the same crowd that like to keep pet Toucans) but all I have is YouTube videos and commercial sites at the moment. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 19:52, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Philippine Hawk Owl

I've created a file "Philippine Hawk Owl distribution.PNG" from the data in the new Forktail paper by Rasmussen et al splitting Philippine Hawk Owl into seven species, showing the distribution of each species. I've added it to the article in a fairly basic way: would anyone like to take a look and try to improve it. SP-KP (talk) 12:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have not checked the details on the map. To me it does not fit will on the page, because the map is about species and the text in the article lists subspecies. Snowman (talk) 09:42, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm anticipating that we'll adopt the paper's recommendations- you're right, the page is a bit of a half way house at the moment. SP-KP (talk) 10:21, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I see the news article is available but has she published yet? And it brings me to a larger question. In this case, it looks pretty good that Philippine Hawk-Owl should be split. Do we have a vetting process in place in case a species paper does get rejected? I know the AOU and Clements only update on a yearly basis which gives some time for vetting depending on when papers are published......just asking.......Pvmoutside (talk) 12:01, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Forktail 28:1-20. We don't have a formal vetting process - we just use our collective wisdom to decide whether a split is well-supported. SP-KP (talk) 10:21, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Locked Pages X

Carrying some over from the last group, as well as some additional:

...................Thanks!....Pvmoutside (talk) 15:07, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bird page at AfD

Just FYI, a bird related article, List of Little Penguin colonies is being discussed for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Little Penguin colonies (2nd nomination). First Light (talk) 18:45, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gibson's Albatross

Is it species, a subspecies of the Wandering Albatross or a subspecies the Antipodean Albatross? We seem to be inconsistent, unless I am missing something. JJ Harrison (talk) 06:47, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Australian Government [3] treats it as a subspecies of the Wanderer. Maias (talk) 04:14, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lewin's Rail page

The picture top right is of Buff-banded Rails. 03:46, 7 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.91.9.9 (talk)

The image is from www.oiseaux.net and it says the birds in the illustration are Lewin's Rails there. Please explain why you have stated that the image is identified incorrectly as Buff-banded Rails. Snowman (talk) 08:46, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think the anonymous poster is correct. The birds illustrated exhibit the buff breast-band that is supposedly diagnostic of Buff-banded Rail. Maias (talk) 10:49, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure if there are any rail species that look similar. Could the old illustration have faded? Snowman (talk) 18:27, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Snow, I have reviewed the replica of the Gould lithograph. It is Gallirallus philippensis, and there is no doubt. Neither the Lewin's, nor the sometimes considered related mirificus, have a buff-breast band, nor the white supercilia, plus the bill conformation is different.Steve Pryor (talk) 14:46, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative names

Resurrecting this thread to see if we can get this lot finished off. SP-KP (talk) 10:24, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Birdlife International names

Abyssinian Citril * Asian Black Bulbul * Asian Crested Ibis * Asian Green Broadbill * * Black-backed Bush-finch * Black-throated Seedeater * Blue Saw-wing * Bornean Forktail * Bracken Warbler * Cambodian White-tailed Robin * Cameroon Mountain Saw-wing * Caspian Reed-warbler * Cassin's Grey Flycatcher * Ethiopian Grosbeak-canary * Everett's Scops-owl * Grey-faced Citril * Grey-green Bush-shrike * Grey-rumped Swiftlet * Mangrove Reed-warbler * Moluccan Drongo-cuckoo * Negros Scops-owl * New Guinea Cuckooshrike * Northern Olive Thrush * Ochre-winged Honeyeater * Olive-bellied Double-collared Sunbird * Pacific Warbler * Palau Scops-owl * Perija Brush-finch * Philippine Honey-buzzard * Principe Thrush-babbler * Ringneck Parrot * Rodrigues Blue-pigeon * Russet Hawk-owl * Ruwenzori Ground-thrush * Sahelian Woodpecker * Sakhalin Grasshopper-warbler * Shear-tailed Grey-tyrant * Solomons Hawk-owl * Sowerby's Barbet * Tibetan Ground-tit * Tschudi's Tyrannulet * West Himalayan Bush-warbler * Western Spot-billed Duck * White-cheeked Oliveback * Xingu Scale-backed Antbird * Yellow-browed Citril * Yellow-eyed Cuckooshrike * Acrocephalus avicenniae * Acrocephalus fuscus * Aimophila petenica * Alcippe annamensis * Alectoris whitakeri * Amazilia distans * Ammodramus beldingi * Anser middendorfi * Aquila africanus * Asthenes usheri * Atlapetes paynteri * Atlapetes torquatus * Batrachostomus pygmaeus * Bradypterus kashmirensis * Calidris cooperi * Caprimulgus otiosus * Catamenia oreophila * Certhilauda damarensis * Cisticola taciturnus * Colinus ridgwayi * Collocalia cyanoptila * Collocalia marginata * Collocalia nitens * Crypturellus idoneus * Cypseloides major * Cyrtonyx sallei * Drymophila subochracea * Enicurus borneensis * Eos goodfellowi * Eremopsaltria mongolicus * Fluvicola atripennis * Gymnocrex intactus * Hirundo badia * Knipolegus cabanisi * Loriculus bonapartei * Loriculus salvadorii * Lorius amabilis * Lorius tibialis * Megapodius stairi * Melozone fuscus * Microeca tormenti * Milvus fasciicauda * Monarcha malaitae * Monticola semirufus * Motacilla alboides * Motacilla baicalensis * Motacilla cinereocapilla * Motacilla feldegg * Motacilla flavissima * Motacilla iberiae * Motacilla leucocephala * Motacilla lutea * Motacilla simillima * Motacilla subpersonata * Motacilla taivana * Motacilla thunbergi * Motacilla werae * Myiodynastes solitarius * Myiomela cambodiana * Myrmeciza stictothorax * Myrmornis stictoptera * Necropsar legauti * Nectarinia fuelleborni * Nectarinia graueri * Nectarinia hofmanni * Nectarinia usambarica * Ninox rotiensis * Nisaetus limnaeetus * Ochetorhynchus melanura * Otus everetti * Otus nigrorum * Otus stresemanni * Pachycephala tenebrosa * Parus degener * Parus hypermelaenus * Parus ombriosus * Parus palmensis * Parus teneriffae * Parus ultramarinus * Parus weigoldicus * Phaethornis porcullae * Phlegopsis paraensis * Phyllomyias leucogonys * Phylloscopus benguetensis * Picumnus salvini * Platysteira hormophora * Ploceus victoriae * Porphyrio indicus * Porphyrio poliocephalus * Porphyrio pulverulentus * Ptilinopus epia * Ptilinopus mangoliensis * Pyroderus granadensis * Pyrrhura chapmani * Pyrrhura hypoxantha * Rallus obsoletus * Rallus tenuirostris * Sarcoramphus sacer * Scytalopus opaca * Serpophaga araguayae * Stactolaema sowerbyi * Synallaxis elegantior * Synallaxis superciliosa * Tachyphonus nattereri * Thalassarche platei * Thamnophilus pernambucensis * Threnetes loehkeni * Thryothorus albinucha * Thryothorus colombianus * Thryothorus paucimaculatus * Troglodytes beani * Troglodytes martinicensis * Turdinus marmorata * Turnix novaecaledoniae * Xiphocolaptes franciscanus * Xiphocolaptes orenocensis * Zoothera ruwenzorii

Birds for identification (150)

Sometimes a DYK is made from milestones in the Birds for identification series. Is article expansion possible here? Snowman (talk) 12:27, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think article creation is possible here, especially with a great photo to go with it. Maias (talk) 12:35, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Lamprotornis sp.? --Leyo 11:30, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like an adult Greater Blue-eared Starling (Lamprotornis chalybaeus). Dger (talk) 15:59, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed. Dger (talk) 21:20, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed. Dger (talk) 21:20, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
To add, it was taken in Fremont, California in April, but since I have not found success on multiple bird ID websites, it may not be native to the area. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:56, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's an adult Black-crowned Night Heron. I saw one in Santa Barbara when I was there in April, so it certainly occurs in California Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:15, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Update: now available on Commons at File:Nycticorax nycticorax -Fremont, California, USA-8.jpg and en Wiki file tagged for deletion. Snowman (talk) 09:01, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 16:14, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also, "black-crowned" <-- no wonder I never found it in bird ID databases! I kept thinking the crown was blue. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 16:29, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Update: file moved by the author to File:Nycticorax nycticorax Newark April 2011.jpg on Commons. Snowman (talk) 16:50, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure, but the bird appears to be rather worn, in which case, I doubt it's a juv. Natureguy1980 (talk) 17:38, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

black vultures

So, we have Black Vulture (an FA) and Black vulture (a disambig). Is that reasonable, or should one be moved somehow? MeegsC (talk) 02:01, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Since the dab has only two entries, I have changed it to a redirect and tweaked the hatnote at Black Vulture. However, if any more 'black vulture' headed pages are created, the dab should be resurrected. Maias (talk) 03:31, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
According to the Wiki and IUCN, the Red-headed Vulture is also known as the Indian Black Vulture. Snowman (talk) 14:17, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Shortwing (Asian thrushes) / Brachypteryx

Once upon a time, I believe all the "shortwings" were in the genus Brachypteryx, but that's not the case any more. We currently have one page called Shortwing (Asian thrushes) - not just Shortwing because that's a disambig page (although possibly an unnecessary one - I don't know enough about falconry to comment), and Brachypterx redirects to it, although the page has a taxobox which implies it's only about Brachypteyx (to be fair, I just added a mention of two of the other three non-Brachypteryx to it, but one was already there). What's the best solution here? I'm inclined to make these two separate pages. Also any comments on the name of Shortwing (Asian thrushes)? Plural is surely against MOS, and would "Asian bird" be a better name, to avoid getting into the complexities of the definition of the word Thrush? SP-KP (talk) 12:40, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Moving out of archive to see if anyone responds. SP-KP (talk) 11:57, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What about Shortwing (passerine)? Maias (talk) 13:16, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
An alternative would be to dump the dab - make "Shortwing" (or "Shortwing (bird)") the Shortwing page and add a hatnote saying "For short-winged hawks see Accipiter". Maias (talk) 13:25, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
According to Wikipedia:Disambiguation, there shouldn't be DAB pages with only two entries, particularly when (as in this case), there is a clear primary usage. Shortwing should be the entry for the Brachypteryx, and there should be a hatnote to Accipiter. However, there are potentially more things that could be added to the DAB page, including a group of small airplanes regularly known as "short-wings", a type of stone fly from the western US and a style of men's dress shoe. (Google "shortwing" or "short wing" for these and more.) MeegsC (talk) 13:46, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I would keep it simple and use "Shortwing (bird)" rather than "Shortwing (paserine)". The use for hawks is explained on the falconry article. Snowman (talk) 19:54, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've almost sorted this out now. I just need someone to move "Shortwing (Asian thrushes)" to "Shortwing" and we're done. SP-KP (talk) 08:58, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be at least three "shortwings". "Perilestidae is a family of damselflies in the order Odonata, which are commonly known as Shortwings." Is the thrushes article the primary article? Snowman (talk) 20:18, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Jim. It sounds as though we do need a disambig page rather than just a hatnote, as there are several other possible meanings. I'll sort that out. SP-KP (talk) 19:23, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What happened the the dab with three items on it? If it was deleted, then please return it. Snowman (talk) 20:43, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I might have lost track a bit here. As far as I can see there has never been a Shortwing (disambiguation) page, I assumed the current Shortwing served that purpose. Snowman, can you clarify what exactly needs to be restored? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you have missed something here. The dab that I am talking about is the dab that was at "Shortwing" (that you deleted), and I am not talking about the redirect at "Shortwing (disambiguation)". I see that you have deleted the dab that was at "Shortwing" from the deletion log. There are more shortwings than the birds as I explained above. You also seemed to miss my question above asking if "Shortwing" for the birds is the primary topic or not. The dab page that was at "Shortwing" included a list of three including "Perilestidae". Please reinstate the dab that was at "Shortwing", move the page about thrushes to "Shortwing (birds)", if you think that there is a primary topic for the thrushes then please start a discussion prior to making the thrushes the primary topic. The suspect that shortwing meaning in falconry might be a equally well used term than the meaning for the thrushes. Snowman (talk) 08:50, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The deleting admin says that he might have lost track here, so I have asked another administrator to look at it. Snowman (talk) 09:14, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I think that's sorted, let me know if I've missed anything Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:15, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Should it be "Shortwing (bird)" rather than "Shortwing (birds)" ? SP-KP (talk) 17:18, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think that a singular title is useful for pleural wikilinks (for example [[pagename]]s), but this does not apply when there the page title ends in brackets. I have no particular objection to "Shortwing (birds)" since there are several shortwings and I would have no objection if someone moved it to "Shortwing (bird)", which may be less controversial. Snowman (talk) 17:59, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Three new editors joining WikiProject Birds

Hello, not sure if this is the right spot to put this but I wanted to give notice that myself, TKYung, and Zhangt2413 are joining this project as part of our university's course on Behavioral Ecology. Birds have been extensively studied in terms of animal behavior, and the three of us are looking to familiarize ourselves with the editing process and hopefully contribute to some species' pages using the knowledge we'll acquire over the course of the semester. WolfyFTW (talk) 21:22, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thats awesome! Welcome to the project!.....If you have any questions, leave them here, and one of the seasoned editors will I'm sure give an answer.....Pvmoutside (talk) 01:15, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, welcome aboard! There's always plenty to do, please ask if you need any help Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Project page

  • I've added two tools here, a duplicate link detector and a web archive. Apologies if everyone but me has been using them for ages.
  • The project page is quite long and rambling. Should we aim for something more like this, with everything hived off to subpages?

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:30, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think this would be a really really good idea. We can shamelessly copy their layout but alter it to serve our own needs.....Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:47, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like a nice page organization to follow, although that project does not have such strange needs as highlighting the naming convention. Shyamal (talk) 10:54, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Birds&oldid=513541929"