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:Hi Anbu121. It's great that you're helping out new editors at the Teahouse! Your reply was perfectly correct: the questioner was proposing to use [[WP:OR|original research]] and it was a good idea to point this out. The only thing I'd suggest is that you try to make your answers a little bit less terse (I'm guessing English isn't your first language?) - the Teahouse is supposed to be the friendly face of Wikipedia, so we try to avoid simply saying "You can't do that because of <insert random string of capital letters linked to a policy here> policy." (Not that your reply was anything like as bad as that!) |
:Hi Anbu121. It's great that you're helping out new editors at the Teahouse! Your reply was perfectly correct: the questioner was proposing to use [[WP:OR|original research]] and it was a good idea to point this out. The only thing I'd suggest is that you try to make your answers a little bit less terse (I'm guessing English isn't your first language?) - the Teahouse is supposed to be the friendly face of Wikipedia, so we try to avoid simply saying "You can't do that because of <insert random string of capital letters linked to a policy here> policy." (Not that your reply was anything like as bad as that!) |
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:Please do carry on helping to answer questions at the Teahouse; the very fact that you're concerned that you might not be being welcoming enough suggests that you're an ideal host to have there. Just try to remember that new editors are often hugely confused, and may need a bit of hand-holding - you need to explain a bit, rather than just pointing to the relevent policies. [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]] '''[[User talk:Yunshui|雲]]‍[[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|水]]''' 10:44, 12 October 2012 (UTC) |
:Please do carry on helping to answer questions at the Teahouse; the very fact that you're concerned that you might not be being welcoming enough suggests that you're an ideal host to have there. Just try to remember that new editors are often hugely confused, and may need a bit of hand-holding - you need to explain a bit, rather than just pointing to the relevent policies. [[User:Yunshui|Yunshui]] '''[[User talk:Yunshui|雲]]‍[[Special:Contributions/Yunshui|水]]''' 10:44, 12 October 2012 (UTC) |
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== O.K Yunshui == |
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Dear yun... |
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o.k.I have just read your message.Nice to meet you Yun.Hope,you will guid me in precious [[Wikipedia]] next also.Thank you for guidance [[Yunshui]]. |
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Grayhat551
User Grayhat551 is ignoring your 3RR warning and has settled into editing the article again. The editor is doing so without discussion and without leaving edit summaries. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:51, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
- I am very disappointed in your lack of response. The editor is still adding unreferenced material and doing so without comment. Block the editor as was requested. This isn't an edit war as you incorrectly claimed, it's an editor being uncooperative. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:45, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry to have disappointed you; sadly I can't be online 24 hours a day... I will look into this straight away. Yunshui 雲水 06:58, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
- I have blocked User:Grayhat551 for 24 hours for edit warring after a 3RR warning. Technically you had also violated 3RR yesterday (before the warning I placed on your talkpage), and so I should really block you as well, but I prefer to avoid slapping blocks on folk if other avenues are available. I have added a couple of additional sources to support the information Grayhat551 has been adding to the Trinity Western University page, hopefully this can now be left alone. Further attempts on your part to remove it will be seen as a continuation of the edit war. I have also opposed your nomination of Redeemer Pacific College for deletion - given the dispute you have been involved with, it is very hard to view that as a good faith nomination. Yunshui 雲水 07:25, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:26, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
- I have blocked User:Grayhat551 for 24 hours for edit warring after a 3RR warning. Technically you had also violated 3RR yesterday (before the warning I placed on your talkpage), and so I should really block you as well, but I prefer to avoid slapping blocks on folk if other avenues are available. I have added a couple of additional sources to support the information Grayhat551 has been adding to the Trinity Western University page, hopefully this can now be left alone. Further attempts on your part to remove it will be seen as a continuation of the edit war. I have also opposed your nomination of Redeemer Pacific College for deletion - given the dispute you have been involved with, it is very hard to view that as a good faith nomination. Yunshui 雲水 07:25, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry to have disappointed you; sadly I can't be online 24 hours a day... I will look into this straight away. Yunshui 雲水 06:58, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Page Curation update
Hey all :). We've just deployed another set of features for Page Curation. They include flyouts from the icons in Special:NewPagesFeed, showing who reviewed an article and when, a listing of this in the "info" flyout, and a general re-jigging of the info flyout - we've also fixed the weird bug with page_titles_having_underscores_instead_of_spaces in messages sent to talkpages, and introduced CSD logging! As always, these features will need some work - but any feedback would be most welcome. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 18:20, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
The Signpost: 10 September 2012
- From the editor: Signpost adapts as news consumption changes
- Featured content: Not a "Gangsta's Paradise", but still rappin'
- WikiProject report: WikiProject Fungi
- Special report: Two Wikipedians set to face jury trial
- Technology report: Mmmm, milkshake...
- Discussion report: Closing Wikiquette; Image Filter; Education Program and Momento extensions
You have been busy moping up after me!
Thanks for all of the hard work. Cheers! Jim1138 (talk) 09:42, 11 September 2012 (UTC) |
Yunshui, could you have a look at the comment on my talk page please? I'm not sure what can be done (nor why the deleted article is still showing up in a Google search), but I thought you might know, or have another admin you can ask? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:00, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
- Replied on your talkpage. Yunshui 雲水 13:13, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's what I thought the result would be (just didn't want to give the impression of prejudicing your answer). Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:16, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
RfC - Lower Assam
Please be aware that User:Kurmaa has been blocked indefinitely diff, and his sock puppet IP has been blocked for a month (Special:Contributions/130.65.109.101). Chaipau (talk) 15:40, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hadn't realised that when I filed the RfC; looks like it's probably for the best, though. His persistent and largely nonesensical ranting was starting to be seriously disruptive. Thanks for letting me know. I think it's still worth running the RfC to a conclusion, if only to get a few more eyes on the topic (and now that the talkpage is silvelocked, the sockflood should finally cease...). Once the RfC closes, at least there will be a definite consensus that can be used if such arguments arise in the future. Yunshui 雲水 09:33, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
RFPP
I know, we're so awesome. :) – Steel 12:45, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- High Five! Yunshui 雲水 12:49, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Admin's Barnstar | |
And you can both have one of these as well (especially since I tried and failed to get some admin attention to it), very good work! Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:53, 12 September 2012 (UTC) |
Cheers, very nice of you. Good clerking, by the way; your comments were very helpful in suggesting what to look at when reviewing the page histories. Yunshui 雲水 12:54, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Senkaku Islands
Could you state what specific content dispute you see occurring there? If it's the name, that's not actually a legitimate target for full protection. The article is under Arbcom Sanctions, as a result of which an RfC on the name was held, which decided that the article would remain as "Senkaku Islands"; User:Nuclearwarfare said that no more naming discussions can be held until 2013. Thus, if anyone is attempting to change the name, or even discuss it, they should be given a single warning and then blocked. However, if it was something else I'm not noticing in the edit history, then perhaps the protection is warranted. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:03, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Well that was doubly stupid of me since I was aware of the ArbCom ruling. There appear to be multiple confirmed accounts dropping by to change the name (as a result of the recent news coverage), so semi-protection is insufficient, as is warning & blocking (although I'll go back to the history and do that too). I'll head over there now and change the protection reason to "vandalism", which it should have been originally; however if you feel that goldlocking is overly severe I have no problem with you changing the protection level - or asking me to do it. Thanks for pulling me up on this. Yunshui 雲水 13:11, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, I'm the person who started the Arbcom proceedings last year, so I'm definitely way way too involved to act administratively there. I guess it won't hurt to have the gold lock on for a few days--most of the recent editing has been either inconsequential (in the sense that waiting a few days won't kill anyone) or the drive by name changes. And, in a certain sense, if the issue gets even hotter in the news, it would probably then be even more important to keep things on the talk page. My main concern is the one you've already taken care of--that each time someone does try to change the name, they're informed of the "it's decided for now, and you can't even discuss it until 2013" message. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:00, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Already on it, see this diff for the general wording that I'm using. Cheers, Yunshui 雲水 14:03, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, I'm the person who started the Arbcom proceedings last year, so I'm definitely way way too involved to act administratively there. I guess it won't hurt to have the gold lock on for a few days--most of the recent editing has been either inconsequential (in the sense that waiting a few days won't kill anyone) or the drive by name changes. And, in a certain sense, if the issue gets even hotter in the news, it would probably then be even more important to keep things on the talk page. My main concern is the one you've already taken care of--that each time someone does try to change the name, they're informed of the "it's decided for now, and you can't even discuss it until 2013" message. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:00, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Feedback protection
Yunshui, could you please turn the feedback off for the Justin Bieber article, there have been a lot of bad posts for a long period of time, with not a lot of useful stuff. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:57, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hmm. Hiding feedback I can do, but unless you know and would care to share, I don't know how I'd go about turning the feedback off entirely. Give me a bit of time to look into it; if it's do-able, I'll see about getting it done. Yunshui 雲水 14:04, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- It's a very new feature, currently this is the only mention. Should be an option on the normal protection page. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 14:10, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- On reflection (still haven't figured it out, incidentally; the above link doesn't mention an off switch) I'm not sure this would be a good idea - there's a lot of dross, but there have been some recent pieces of feedback making valid suggestions and requests, which would be lost of the tool wasn't available. The Feedback Tool's still in beta at the moment, I think, so it would be prudent to let the trial run its course so as to obtain as much information about the tool as possible, including the fact that a lot of people use it for nonsense. You could ask Oliver about turning it off; I've always found him to be a jolly helpful chap, and it's his baby, after all. Yunshui 雲水 14:16, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- I have been talking to him about it (it's a patch until AFTv6 is brought out; and Justin Bieber was suppose to have been turned off), out of interest does the option to turn feedback off, appear on the protection page? I'll talk to him about Justin Bieber next time we're online together. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 14:35, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Aha, there it is! I usually protect with Twinkle, rather than the Protection drop-down, so I've only ever seen that menu once or twice. Okay, now I know how to turn it off, and since it should have been done anyway, just give me a moment... Yunshui 雲水 14:38, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Done Autoconfirmed users can still leave feedback, but the IP fan-hordes now no longer have that option. Yunshui 雲水 14:41, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, what are the options you have for it (eg equivalent of semi/full; time frame)? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 14:45, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Basically it appears to be the same as regular protection: you can limit it by permissions (admin only, autoconfirmed only, logged-in only, everyone) and set an expiry time up to indefinite. Interestingly, it doesn't seem that the feedback protection level can exceed the page protection (so on a silverlocked page like Bieber's, you can't set the feedback protection to "admin-only"). Yunshui 雲水 14:49, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Extending that, on an unprotected page you can't set any feedback protection? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 14:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- I haven't tried, but logically that would seem to be the case. Not ideal; it isn't hard to envision a situation where turning feedback off on an unprotected article might be desirable. Yunshui 雲水 15:00, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing that, I've quoted your explaination to WT:FRG (since most of us can't see it; hope you don't mind). Yeah I seem to remember Oliver saying it was unavoidable, unfortunately. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 15:06, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- No worries. Thanks for teaching me a new trick! Yunshui 雲水 15:13, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- And for teaching me :)! Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 15:26, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- No worries. Thanks for teaching me a new trick! Yunshui 雲水 15:13, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing that, I've quoted your explaination to WT:FRG (since most of us can't see it; hope you don't mind). Yeah I seem to remember Oliver saying it was unavoidable, unfortunately. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 15:06, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- I haven't tried, but logically that would seem to be the case. Not ideal; it isn't hard to envision a situation where turning feedback off on an unprotected article might be desirable. Yunshui 雲水 15:00, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Extending that, on an unprotected page you can't set any feedback protection? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 14:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Basically it appears to be the same as regular protection: you can limit it by permissions (admin only, autoconfirmed only, logged-in only, everyone) and set an expiry time up to indefinite. Interestingly, it doesn't seem that the feedback protection level can exceed the page protection (so on a silverlocked page like Bieber's, you can't set the feedback protection to "admin-only"). Yunshui 雲水 14:49, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, what are the options you have for it (eg equivalent of semi/full; time frame)? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 14:45, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Done Autoconfirmed users can still leave feedback, but the IP fan-hordes now no longer have that option. Yunshui 雲水 14:41, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Aha, there it is! I usually protect with Twinkle, rather than the Protection drop-down, so I've only ever seen that menu once or twice. Okay, now I know how to turn it off, and since it should have been done anyway, just give me a moment... Yunshui 雲水 14:38, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- I have been talking to him about it (it's a patch until AFTv6 is brought out; and Justin Bieber was suppose to have been turned off), out of interest does the option to turn feedback off, appear on the protection page? I'll talk to him about Justin Bieber next time we're online together. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 14:35, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- On reflection (still haven't figured it out, incidentally; the above link doesn't mention an off switch) I'm not sure this would be a good idea - there's a lot of dross, but there have been some recent pieces of feedback making valid suggestions and requests, which would be lost of the tool wasn't available. The Feedback Tool's still in beta at the moment, I think, so it would be prudent to let the trial run its course so as to obtain as much information about the tool as possible, including the fact that a lot of people use it for nonsense. You could ask Oliver about turning it off; I've always found him to be a jolly helpful chap, and it's his baby, after all. Yunshui 雲水 14:16, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- It's a very new feature, currently this is the only mention. Should be an option on the normal protection page. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 14:10, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Further suspicious acounts
Hi Yunshui, I think you've already blocked several socks of this account [1], and this may be another meriting a look: [2]. Thanks, 76.248.149.47 (talk) 16:47, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Another duck bagged and tagged. Keep an eye out for more; I've left a stern warning on the puppetmaster's talkpage, but that's never stopped him in the past... Yunshui 雲水 07:23, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, and cheers, 76.248.149.47 (talk) 19:01, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Think you could help out, its majorly backlogged. Thanks, Dan653 (talk) 02:10, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like Kudpung has performed his usual heroics over there while I was asleep, but I'll mop up the couple that are left. Yunshui 雲水 07:24, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
- Lol, thanks, wish I could do it myself... Dan653 (talk) 14:53, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
I've never seen a locked article that I couldn't edit. Could you please see my post on the talk page here [3] and unlock or at least partially unlock the page? Thanks! Ghostofnemo (talk) 12:37, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
- I've replied at Talk:Rising Sun Flag. Yunshui 雲水 12:48, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
- I've also replied on that page. It seems unreasonable to block all edits and demand consensus before unlocking. You should ban the edit warriors, not all Wikipedia users. Ghostofnemo (talk) 01:04, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- I've created a "Request for Comment" here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Yunshui Ghostofnemo (talk) 01:22, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
- I've also replied on that page. It seems unreasonable to block all edits and demand consensus before unlocking. You should ban the edit warriors, not all Wikipedia users. Ghostofnemo (talk) 01:04, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks!
Thanks for your help. Keep up the good work! 77.166.70.218 (talk) 12:46, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
- You're welcome. For the record, there's no immediate reason I can see that you couldn't have added that information to the article yourself (even with only a YouTube reference; it's a start...); the article's not protected from editing, and editors are encouraged to be bold! Feel free to edit the article directly if you want to. Yunshui 雲水 12:56, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
- I see you already are! (For the record, I was unsure about whether to include the word "abandoned" myself, since it didn't seem to be in the sources I had access to) Yunshui 雲水 13:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
- For the record, I seem to use the phrase, "for the record" too often... I'll go and do something productive now... Yunshui 雲水 13:01, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
- I see you already are! (For the record, I was unsure about whether to include the word "abandoned" myself, since it didn't seem to be in the sources I had access to) Yunshui 雲水 13:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Talkback
Message added 01:30, 14 September 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
--I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 01:31, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for helping me to fix collapsing on my user page. Torreslfchero (talk) 09:34, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- Any time. Yunshui 雲水 09:36, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
CSD of User:NB1998/sandbox
Good morning. When I tried to move the article to AFC since it had been submitted for review, I received the message that it couldn't be moved because the title was on the title blacklist. I could be wrong about Wikipedia not but my reasoning was that the article fell under either WP:NOT#Forum or WP:SOAP because it seemed to be an opinion piece on a current social issue without any references. It even asks a rhetorical question in the middle of it about what to do now and then provides the editor's opinion that schools be closed. There are no sources to verify the problem exists, that it is being discussed, that it is notable, and that there are opinions about solutions other than the editors own opinion. Those were my thoughts anyway. Thanks. --Snowysusan (talk) 10:08, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- How odd. I really can't find anything in the blacklist's regex that would prevent this title from going up, but I'm obviously missing something. Regrettably, there isn't a speedy deletion criterion that would cover this sort of thing, but I agree that deletion is required; there's no hope of that ever becoming an article. I will ask the user to {{db-userreq}} the page (which would make it a valid speedy candidate); failing that I'll put it through MfD. Thanks for the clarification. Yunshui 雲水 10:21, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- Just looked again, and I think I've figured it out - if you tried to use the automatic move link, you would have been attempting to overwrite the AfC sandbox (located at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/sandbox). The blacklist obviously contains a script to prevent that happening. I've now moved the page to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/DENGUE-ROAD TO SUCCESS IN INDIAN SCHOOLS where it can be declined in the normal manner (in fact, I'll go and do that now to save sopmeone else the job). Yunshui 雲水 12:44, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello Yunshui
Why did you delete my text? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khant Zaw Naung (talk • contribs) 10:41, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- Because you are creating articles about yourself, and you are not a notable person. Wikipedia is not a social networking site; only subjects worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia get a page here. You have your userpage to include (limited) information about yourself, as you have done; please do not try to create an article about yourself as well. Yunshui 雲水 10:48, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Request for your opinion
This looks like a pretty clear-cut deletion to me. General consensus is that WP:NSPORT only applies to competition matches. Mr. Alnwick has only played an unofficial friendly match. Young players, especially goalkeepers, will often play friendly matches like this long before there ever seriously considered for competitive matches, and in most cases will receive little to no coverage for it. Hope that helps. Sir Sputnik (talk) 13:56, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- I thought that might be the case. Thanks for the second opinion. Yunshui 雲水 13:57, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
AFD for Rachana_Shah
Hello Mr Yunshi, again i need help from you please follow the AFD for Rachana_Shah here , the article was in story tone and also content was more of fantasy , so i deleted all the fluffery and took back the AFD proposal , now i guess i have agrivated the creator and some of interested parties please have a look and close this , (It is to be noted that I am little bit skeptical over the reference of newyork times and the independent cited, as it talks about the book and not the design cover or the designer ) Shrikanthv (talk) 14:05, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- Closed, per your withdrawal. Rarely is it a good idea to remove substantial content from an article that you've recently nominated for AfD - whether your edit is right or not, it doesn't look good. Yunshui 雲水 14:15, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you for closing that, I understand , next time it would be periodic improvement (not to horrify the creator or who are leaning towards the article) Shrikanthv (talk) 19:21, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Action requested – Deletion of redirect page
Hello Yunshui. Regarding your post on my talk page, it's been nine days since I nominated the deletion of the redirect page Secular morality so the contents of Morality without religion can be moved there. No one has responded to my request for comments/objections on the article's talk page in those nine days. With your concurrance, I think it's reasonable to go ahead at this time. Thanks! --Airborne84 (talk) 17:15, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- Works for me. Done Yunshui 雲水 04:59, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks! --Airborne84 (talk) 05:50, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Adoption
Mr yunshui can you WP:ADOPT me , want to contribute better for wiki Shrikanthv (talk) 19:30, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Shrikanthv. I'd be glad to. Due to a small child crawling all over me at the present moment this is probably not the best time to craft a proper response, but I'll drop you a line on Monday when I've got a bit of uninterrupted wiki-time. Yunshui 雲水 05:01, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Possible unblock of User:RickWilliams75
Hello, Yunshui. I've replied to your message on my talk page. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:02, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks!
Thanks for the advice and information concerning speedy delete codes. I will use them more cautiously based on your guidance. Have a great day! --Snowysusan (talk) 10:10, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Mentoring
FYI. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:36, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Rollback
Ok sir,I will put another request after doing 50 or more vandalism revert as you wish.Thanx.---zeeyanketu talk to me 17:38, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Dear Yun Shui
Good morning~May I know the purposes of wikipedia?Is it need to be notable?Can't I use this wikipedia? Thanks~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khant Zaw Naung (talk • contribs)
- Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia. Its purpose is to record and disseminate encyclopedic information. To achieve this, Wikipedia's content is limited by a number of policies and guidelines. Notability, being significant coverage in reliable, independent sources is the principal criterion for inclusion. Non-notable topics and individuals are not covered.
- There are many things Wikipedia is not. It is not a social networking site, a CV database, or a personal webhost. If you are looking for any of these things, Wikipedia is not for you. However, if you are interested in building an encyclopedia, we would welcome your contributions. Yunshui 雲水 07:33, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Elaborate
Can you please elaborate on your closing rationale here: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Salutogenesis. Specifically, what countered the "lack of sources for NPOV argument" (which I made less than minute before your close), and my merge argument. And specifically what swayed you to keep versus no consensus/merge. IRWolfie- (talk) 12:57, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
I've replied in part at User talk:TheSpecialUser, but here's a more comprehensive reply.
- The nomination cited the essay-like structure (not in itself a reason for deletion) and a lack of sources (which certainly is a reason to delete a page), and claimed that there was no "objective meaning" to the term. Hgilbert and Carrite pointed out that sources existed which used and discussed the term in sufficient detail to provide such meaning and to make it notable per WP:GNG. You yourself cited WP:NPOV, but whilst the article certainly has issues in this area, violation of this is not covered under the usual reasons for deletion - it should, in an ideal world, be addressed by editing. Per Hgilbert and Carrite's links, mainstream sources seem to have referenced the term sufficiently to satisfy WP:FRINGE's requirements for a dedicated article.
- The "per Carrite & Hgilbert" !votes from Frankl and Lova Falk, whilst they added little to the discussion, do suffice to show that other editors have examined the issue and come to the same conclusion. Yours was, in fact, the only dissenting voice in the discussion, and even then you were suggesting a merge (effectively a Keep !vote, since it retains the content and history of the article) rather than proposing deletion. Hgilbert provided a counter-view to your argument by pointing out that Antonovsky's work had been developed by other practitioners, meaning that the concept was no longer unique to him. There's nothing to stop a merge being discussed in the usual manner on the article's talkpage, but waiting around for more "Merge" votes when the consensus had clearly developed as "Keep" would have been counterproductive.
- I'm no holistic-hugging hippy, and frankly the concept sounds like utter tosh to me, but that doesn't change the fact that it's neither non-notable nor unencyclopedic. If you seriously think that I've misjudged the close here, please do feel free to file a case WP:DRV. Yunshui 雲水 13:29, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- Several points; Read WP:FRINGE and the additional notability requirements it adds; it's not a standard argument as it's specific to fringe topics. If we can't cover a topic neutrally because the sources don't exist we delete it (or merge to an article where it is put into perspective), adequate sourcing is expected to exist to represent the mainstream position adequately and put fringe views into perspective. The me too votes don't show anything because francl spent 2 minutes between debates and we have little sign they really looked at it, they advanced no arguments, Lova Falk advanced the invalid "google combination X and you get hits". Hgilbert didn't show any sources that confirm what he says so I don't know why that would be given much weight. The article states "X is a term coined by Y" which should be setting off neologism alarm bells; Guy was correct when stating it reads like a dictionary definition because it is. See the similar Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Whole_medical_systems AfD. IRWolfie- (talk) 13:45, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- It seems we are experiencing a differnt reading of WP:FRINGE. I recognise that you're a regular contributor on fringe topics and so may have a better understanding of it than I do; please could you point out the additional notability requirements to which you refer? Re-reading it, I'm seeing a need for peer-reviewed sources and a careful avoidance of undue weight, but nothing which says something like, "in order to merit an article, a fringe theory must meet xxx as well as GNG." There are peer reviewed sources (I've just found a couple more on Highbeam) which discuss the theory sufficiently for notability to be met; per WP:FRINGE, a topic "is considered notable enough for a dedicated article if it has been referenced extensively, and in a serious and reliable manner, in at least one major publication that is independent of their promulgators and popularizers."
- "Look, Googlehits!" isn't a good argument in AFD for showing something's notable, but that's not why Lova Falk was using it - s/he was pointing out that there are a large number of papers that mention salutogenesis without mentioning Antonovsky. As such, whilst some specific citations would have been helpful, her argument carries a degree of weight in establishing that the concept has been discussed independently of its creator.
- As a final point, I'd note that this discussion, whilst interesting, is not going to achieve anything. If you are determined that the article should be merged, a more efficient approach would be to either propose such a merge on its talkpage, or request a deletion review to reopen the AfD. Whilst I'm happy to talk this out with you, I'm not entirely sure what outcome you're looking for here. Yunshui 雲水 14:20, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- Going offline now, will be a while before I can respond to your reply. Yunshui 雲水 14:20, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- Read the WP:FRINGE nutshell: "when the subject of an article is the minority viewpoint itself, the proper contextual relationship between minority and majority viewpoints must be clear." Specifically " For a fringe theory to be considered notable, it is not sufficient that it has been discussed, positively or negatively, by groups or individuals, even if those groups are notable enough for a Wikipedia article. To be notable, secondary reliable sources must have commented on it, disparaged it, or discussed it. Otherwise it is not notable enough for a dedicated article in Wikipedia." It's the sources that give a detailed analysis of the topic which appear to be lacking. Most of the sources I have seen just provide the dictionary definition etc without an in depth discussion of the concept. IRWolfie- (talk) 14:38, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- I see where you're coming from with that, but my reading of the guideline doesn't suggest any amendments to the requirements for notability, only an additional requirement to avoid undue weight. In this particular case, the topic has been "discussed,.positively or negatively, etc...": [4], [5], [6], [7] and so on. In fact, on doing some further reading, there's a case to be made that the concept is actually part of mainstream health science, rather than a fringe theory; certainly there are serious health promotion projects, like the European Health Promotion Indicator Development programme, that make use of it. Yunshui 雲水 07:10, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
- If it's also a mainstream term then the mentions of homeopathy, anthroposphical medicine and naturopathy are undue. (I'm moving off the topic of the AfD, but I may propose a merge at some point) IRWolfie- (talk) 13:48, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
- I'd certainly have no problem with that. It does seem to be fairly uncontentious in mainstream health literature, so possibly it was simply the poor content of the original article that attracted the AfD. Rewriting to make less of the pseudoscience bollocks would be a good idea. Yunshui 雲水 13:56, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
- If it's also a mainstream term then the mentions of homeopathy, anthroposphical medicine and naturopathy are undue. (I'm moving off the topic of the AfD, but I may propose a merge at some point) IRWolfie- (talk) 13:48, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
- I see where you're coming from with that, but my reading of the guideline doesn't suggest any amendments to the requirements for notability, only an additional requirement to avoid undue weight. In this particular case, the topic has been "discussed,.positively or negatively, etc...": [4], [5], [6], [7] and so on. In fact, on doing some further reading, there's a case to be made that the concept is actually part of mainstream health science, rather than a fringe theory; certainly there are serious health promotion projects, like the European Health Promotion Indicator Development programme, that make use of it. Yunshui 雲水 07:10, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
NPM
Sorry to disturb; needed just a quick review. POV was the only issue standing in the article which you pointed. Can you have a look just once and give me idea of the state of the article currently? Thanks! TheSpecialUser TSU 12:58, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- It's getting there. The sourcing generally looks pretty solid; certainly all the potentially contentious bits I checked were sufficiently backed up with citations. I'd reduce the use of the phrase "given a clean chit" in relation to Modhi; it's a rather archaic phrase in British English and has been used at least four times in the article. I'd also suggest you consider merging some of the content in the "Atrocities against women" section into other parts of the article; it's somewhat sensationalist as it stands. Overall, though, the article looks fairly balanced; you've covered the controversial elements of the massacre fairly neutrally, and have sourced everything that required it. Yunshui 雲水 13:48, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review. Will act upon the suggestions. TheSpecialUser TSU 14:21, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Talk: Insurance Medicine
Hello Yunushi... You have deleted the additions I did for "Insurance Medicine" on the basis of copyright infringement. I am, however, an executive officer of the AMerican Academy of Insurance Medicine and provided these additions on behalf of this organization in an effort to correct the inaccuracies that had been previously placed on this page. What can either I or my organization do to have the page restored? Thank you, Bob Watson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobwatson (talk • contribs) 14:02, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- If you own the copyright on the text in question, you can donate it to Wikipedia by following the instructions at Donating copyrighted material. Fundamentally, this means you will permit anyone to copy, modify, reuse and sell your material. If you do not agree to the terms (set out here), then this material cannot be included. Yunshui 雲水 07:16, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Dear Yun Shui
I am a little confused that why the word "User" exist in front of my name?(eg.User:Khant Zaw Naung).And I only want my name .Many wiki users names only contain name(eg.Yoon Chan).And how can I upload photos and how can I draw a table and also files ? Thanks.good luck sir~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khant Zaw Naung (talk • contribs) 15:02, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- The "User" tag in front of your username is there because the page is located in the User namespace (as opposed to article space, talk space or some other Wikipedia namespace). You cannot remove it. Yoon Chan is an article about a notable person (actually I'm not convinced he is notable, but that's beside the point), not a Wikipedia user.
- Details of how to upload images are here, tables are explained here. However, I should caution you that you still appear, despite my warnings on your talkpage, to be treating Wikipedia as a social network. To date, all but two (minor) edits from your account have been to write about yourself, either on your userpage or in article space. If you do not intend to contribute beyond this, then I'm sorry, but you will not be welcome on the project. Please consider whether you are in fact here to build an encyclopedia or not; if not, please stop wasting our time. Yunshui 雲水 07:30, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
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Hello
Hello Yunshui! I'm just stopping by to let you know that Intelligentsium is a wonderful, kind, and patient mentor to me. While I was posting a message on Intell.'s talk page I happened to notice your post there inquiring his current interest in the adoption program. I can't speak for him regarding that, and I'm not his official adoptee - but I am new and sought him out thru the adoption page. He (I think "he") has been very generous with his time and extremely helpful and understanding. I am so appreciative of all the guidance I've received from him and others too! How pleasant to be able to contribute with all the support I've found! I just thought I'd let you know. Albeit27 (talk) 10:44, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
- That's a very kind thing to say. I've let Intelligentsium know that his work is appreciated! Yunshui 雲水 12:10, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
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Mailing list
You might as well take this user off your mailing list. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:25, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
- Indeed. I've moved him off the active list at Adopt-a-user. Yunshui 雲水 07:37, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
AAU
Hey Yunshui, I am still active enough to be involved in AAU, and if I don't know something, I'm fairly certain one of my first Adopters will be able to help me/that person out. Thanks for letting me know! :) Libertarian=Truth? (talk) 18:10, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
- Good stuff; I'll add you to the list. Yunshui 雲水 07:41, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
RickWilliams
You know, Adoption is generally not used as a route out of being blocked, mentoring is. Adoption cna be done by anyone with a little experience, whilst mentoring is generally considered to be more focussed and cannot be left without agreement. Having said that, there's no simple way to find a mentor - besides generally asking around. If you are to leave the adoption template up, might it be best to move it to the users talk page - in the section that explains that it's a requirement of unblocking? That at least should make things a bit more transparent. The category will still be added, and things should work as normal. WormTT(talk) 07:21, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- Good idea, I'll do that. Perhaps as part of the Adopt-a-user revamp we should consider a sub-list of adopters who can also offer mentorship? Yunshui 雲水 07:31, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- Oooh, I like that idea. I'll look into that. WormTT(talk) 07:35, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Bettina Wulff
Glad to see it's you, Yunshui. Indeed, there is a little help required in this matter. I do not mean to enumerate all issues that have arisen but I would like to ask you to look at the talk pages. Moreover, I shall draw your attention to Salty Fingers (plant) which Mootros (talk) has AfD'ed, presumably not in good faith but as a result of the edit war in question. Regards, Akolyth (talk) 08:17, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- I took a look at that. Whilst the timing could have been better, it is a valid AfD nomination - personally I'm not going to comment on the actual discussion, but notability is certainly borderline. Since it's impossible to know Mootros' motivation, the appropriate thing to do is assume good faith and ascribe it to coincidence. I'm glad to see that both of you are participating in a talkpage discussion over Bettina Wulff, I'll head over there shortly and try and lend a hand. Yunshui 雲水 08:42, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- I've tried to summarize your suggestion for both issues on Talk:Bettina Wulff. Do you concur? Regards, Akolyth (talk) 07:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- Just replied on that talkpage. Yes, you've pretty much summed up my position on both counts. Let's carry on the conversation there so that it's more visible to other editors. Cheers, Yunshui 雲水 07:55, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- I've tried to summarize your suggestion for both issues on Talk:Bettina Wulff. Do you concur? Regards, Akolyth (talk) 07:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
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A Barnstar for you!
The Admin's Barnstar | ||
For coming to the aid of this editor not once, but twice, and doing so quickly and answering his questions/solving his problems. Thank you, Yunshui! Here's a token of my appreciation for your speed and good attitude. Paris1127 (talk) 10:39, 20 September 2012 (UTC) |
My pleasure. Just call me Sir Jimmy... Yunshui 雲水 10:41, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Deleting Diaoyu_Islands justifiable ?
Please enlighten me.
How is it justifiable to delete content other editors have put into Diaoyu_Islands ? Before I understand this part, I could not change my warning on Klilidiplomus.
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starrage (talk • contribs) 10:43, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- As I pointed out on your talkpage, there is currently an ArbCom ruling that prohibits discussion of any potential change to the name of the article Senkaku Islands. This was arrived at after considerable deliberation and consideration by a panel of expert editors embodied with the trust of the Wikipedia community. As such, your arguments cannot be made on Wikipedia, and your continued attempts to pursue the matter are going to end in a block. If you want to continue editing here, drop the subject (at least until next year, when the current restrictions lapse) and concentrate on editing something else. I deleted the talkpage at Talk:Diaoyu because that talkpage is attached to an article that redirects to Senkaku Islands - which already has its own talkpage. In any case, the material you placed there was identical to that which you have inadvisably copy-pasted on a number of other pages, so no information was lost. Yunshui 雲水 10:51, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry Yunshui. I think you are confused. Your answer was not relevant to my question. --Starrage (talk) 03:25, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi Yunshui. I've re-added the {{db-hoax}} tag. Please, check the refs, Google, and also the article Danica McKellar. Let me know if you have any objections or disagree. Thanks. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 11:40, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- Fair enough, maybe I made a mistake. I'll take another look. Yunshui 雲水 11:55, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- Well, that didn't take long. Good call, I was utterly wrong. Speedied. Yunshui 雲水 11:57, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- And page creator blocked for sockpuppetry to boot. I'm glad you made me take a second look at this; thanks Vejvančický! Yunshui 雲水 12:05, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, I've noticed the other account. All this looks rather childish. No problem ... thanks for your intervention. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 12:16, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- And page creator blocked for sockpuppetry to boot. I'm glad you made me take a second look at this; thanks Vejvančický! Yunshui 雲水 12:05, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- Well, that didn't take long. Good call, I was utterly wrong. Speedied. Yunshui 雲水 11:57, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
RE: Adoption offers
Thanks for the heads up, b ut doesnt he need to accept the offer first?Lihaas (talk) 11:37, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- When the offer's accepted, you need to change the template again, to
{{Adopted}}
. If he decides not to accept the adoption offer, either you or he can change the template back to{{Adopt me}}
, thus relisting him for adoption. Yunshui 雲水 11:54, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
First course
Hello mr Yunshi , I am expecting my first lessons , hope you remeber this article Rachana shah I was little skeptical with the following edits
" Shah moved with her husband Tahir Shah to their new home called Dar Khalifa in Casablanca, Morocco and subsequently became a main character in her husband's two books that chronicled their adventures in Morocco: The Caliph's House and In Arabian Nights. Her endurance of the year-long ordeal of remodeling their previously abandoned house in Casablanca caused one blogger to marvel at her patience: "
I am concerned that wiki may turn in to a Fiction writing , so was against this , are the above statments allowed in wiki ??
specific "Writing article based on personnel point of view and experience is it a valid statements in wiki " ?
Hey congrats on your kid again Shrikanthv (talk) 15:41, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks Shrikanthv. I'll take a look at the article - certainly her use as a fictional character, if unsourced, isn't appropriate (and unless the blogger is someone incredibly notable, their opinion definitely doesn't belong). I'll drop you a note a bit later with a more thorough analysis. Yunshui 雲水 06:51, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Talkback: Response to Mr.Adhikari
Dear Yunshui,
I have already taken care of the first point regarding the copyrighted material.
I would like you to check the article regarding Mr.Adhikari in my SANDBOX section and kindly let me know if the same qualifies the criterion.
Lastly would like to bring to your notice that I am not getting paid for creating this article but I have been one of the many people that he has influenced and brought about a big transformation in my life. Hence I am writing this article out of sheer respect for him.
I hope you take this in the right perspective and allow the addition of this article.
RegardsSameer.littlemagix (talk) 11:38, 23 September 2012 (UTC) Sameer
Regarding Sachin Adhikari
can you please help me with writing the content for Mr.SACHIN ADHIKARI then. I dont understand where am I going wrong.
Sameer.littlemagix (talk) 07:56, 21 September 2012 (UTC)Sameer
- You have three main problems with the article as it stands (I'm basing this on the version currently in your sandbox):
- The text is largely copied directly from this LinkedIn profile. This violates the writer's copyright. If you wrote that profile, you can theoretically use the text without a copyright violation, however you would need to follow the steps detailed at Donating copyrighted material in order to do so. Copyright violations are usually deleted on sight under WP:G12.
- The text is promotional. A discussion of how great Mr Adhikari's training programs are, his personal opinions and links to his commercial website are wholly inappropriate, and will result in deletion under WP:G11.
- There is no indication that Mr Adhikari meets the guideline for inclusion. All Wikipedia topics must have significant coverage in multiple, reliable, independent sources; that does not appear to be the case here. Non-notable content is deleted under WP:A7.
- In addition, it seems you have a conflict of interest on this subject (I assume Mr Adhikari is paying you for this service?) and so you should probably not be creating this article at all. I'm glad to see that you are finally attempting to get advice on working within Wikipedia's guidelines, but you may well find that Mr Adhikari simply does not currently meet our requirements for inclusion; if that's the case you should stop trying to get an article about him into the encyclopedia. Yunshui 雲水 08:09, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
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Salty Fingers (plant)
As you are aware, the article in question was AfD'ed yesterday. In the meantime, the nominator has moved it from Salty Fingers (plant) to Salty Fingers (trademark). Albeit my objections as regards the usability for the reader (cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2012_September_20#Salty_Fingers_.28plant.29), this move causes a confusion with another product/trademark (http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/11077034/Salty_Fingers/showimage.html). Therefore, I wish to remove the page but I don't really know how to do this. Could you help? Regards, Akolyth (talk) 09:29, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- You could move it back, but given your recent history with this editor I'd strongly advise against it, certainly until the AfD is concluded. The naming conventions are a bit hazy here - what's wrong with simply calling it Salty Fingers? That would seem to be the common name. In any case, I definitely recommend leaving it until the AfD is concluded; you've left a note there so that the closing admin can see what's going on, and that's all you really need to do for now.
- It would be a big help if someone could identify the plant's scientific name (I've tried and failed), although the Manual of style would tend to suggest that we'd still call it Salty Fingers. Yunshui 雲水 09:46, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- FYI - see my talk page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:58, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- Yunshui, I take your advice that we wait until the AfD is closed.However, even then I would require a little help unless the closing administrator does so. And as regrds your suggestion to simply name it Salty Fingers I should like to reply that my motivation was to distinguish the plant from the fingers of my hand. And now, that I am aware that there are biscuits and music bands of the same name, an appropriate disambiguation shall be considered even though the associated articles do not yet exist (However I fancy to write one dealing with a mixing phenonemon of viscid fluids). Regards, Akolyth (talk) 12:29, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- If they AfD closes as Keep, I'll move it back for you. Since there's at least one other trademark with the same name, WP:TITLE would suggest that Salty Fingers (plant) would be more appropriate. Yunshui 雲水 12:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- Yunshui, I take your advice that we wait until the AfD is closed.However, even then I would require a little help unless the closing administrator does so. And as regrds your suggestion to simply name it Salty Fingers I should like to reply that my motivation was to distinguish the plant from the fingers of my hand. And now, that I am aware that there are biscuits and music bands of the same name, an appropriate disambiguation shall be considered even though the associated articles do not yet exist (However I fancy to write one dealing with a mixing phenonemon of viscid fluids). Regards, Akolyth (talk) 12:29, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- Alright. I'll keep fingers crossed. And thank you for your offer to help. Regards, Akolyth (talk) 12:42, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Adoption list
Hi Yunshui. Thanks for agreeing to stay on at Adopt-a-user. I've recently updated the list of adopters and I have included you, per your original comments on that page and your comments at User:Yunshui/Overhaul/Adopters staying on. You can see your new profile at the list of adopters. Why not update your profile with an image and maybe have another look at your description? You can also include a list of any adoptees you currently have. If you are also willing to mentor problematic users, possibly as part of a conditional unblock, please include "mentorship=yes" in your profile. Thanks again for all your help. WormTT(talk) 13:16, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Fistweaver page
hello, I created the Fistweaver article located at en.wikipedia.com/wiki/Fistweaver, and then re-located the article to en.wikipedia.com/wiki/World_of_Warcraft:_Fistweaver. The artciel however was deleted because of the existence of the original article. Is there a way to delete the original article and progress to re-create the article in the more appropriate location as originally intended without it being deleted ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmbbutler (talk • contribs) 15:23, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- I see you've already recreated it after Fistweaver was deleted. Yunshui 雲水 07:08, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Semi protection
- Hi Yunshui, if it is possible, would you please help me to modify semi protection for the articles Mujeeb Zafar Anwar Hameedi and Hajra Masroor. There are some IP addresses remain removing and adding content without reliable sources or legitimate reasons. I see no other way than that.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 08:08, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Justice007. It looks like Steel has already sorted the protection on Mujeeb Zafar Anwar Hameedi, so that shouldn't be a problem for a while. Hajra Masroor is still unprotected, but it looks as though the vandalism there was coming from a single IP (since blocked) - page protection seems unnecessary at this time, but let me know if it starts up again.
- Thanks, by the way, for keeping tabs on the Hameedi article; you've done some great work there, both in expanding the article and keeping it free of spam. I've looked in on it occasionally since dealing with Rafi al huq and his sock army; it's nice to see that it's in good hands. Yunshui 雲水 07:02, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, and thanks.Justice007 (talk) 09:00, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the AfD barnstar
Many thanks for the AfD civility barnstar (re. Rachana Shah) and also for your valuable and professional input there. Much appreciated. Regards, Esowteric+Talk
Greeting Yunshui! Can you userfy this to a subpage of mine: User:TheSpecialUser/P. I think that I can do some work on it to address the concerns. Cheers! TheSpecialUser TSU 14:11, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
- Given the arguments at the AfD I wouldn't hold out much hope, but for what it's worth, I've userfied the page for you. Best of luck! Yunshui 雲水 07:14, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Need help
Dear Yunshui,
I have rewritten the article for Mr.Sachin Adhikari currently in my sandbox(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sameer.littlemagix/sandbox).
Requesting you to kindly go through the same and help me creating the same.
Awaiting your response
Sameer.littlemagix (talk) 10:22, 24 September 2012 (UTC) Sameer
- You've taken out some of the promotional language - that's good. There are still a number of sections which are wholly copied from his LinkedIn profile; that needs to be corrected. You have, however, not addressed the issue of notability - you have not provided any independent sources vouching for Mr Adhikari's notability.
- My suggestion would be as follows:
- Blank your sandbox altogether. Virtually nothing there is usable: the tone is wrong, there's still too many promotional phrases, the headers and layout are unencyclopedic, and bits of it are still copyright violations (unless you've gone through WP:DCM).
- Use the now empty page to assemble a list of sources about Mr Adhikari. Don't use anything from his own companies' websites or publications; instead, look for mentions of him in newspapers, books and other mainstream media. Read Identifying reliable sources to help you understand what you're looking for. List all the sources you find in your sandbox, with links wherever possible. Remember that you need significant coverage; a few sentences as a bare minimum, a few paragraphs as a basic starting point. Passing mentions in lists or articles about other topics don't count.
- Next to each source, write what it tells the reader about Mr Adhikari. For example, if you've found a newspaper article which has a few sentences about his tenure at BMW, write down that he spend some time at BMW. Do not write down anything that isn't in the source - if you know that he spent ten years at BMW but the source only confirms that he worked there for an undisclosed period of time, do not write, "he was with BMW for ten years."
- When you have done this for all the sources, you can start putting the article together; arrange the information you have chronologically (or however else seems appropriate) and then format it as a Wikipedia page (you seem to have got the hang of formatting, but if you need help let me know).
- You should end up with a short but appropriate Wikipedia article. It will contain less information than the current one, possibly a lot less, but as long as the sources are reliable and independent and you have used them appropriately, it will be kept in the encyclopedia. Yunshui 雲水 10:43, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the Help Yunshui,
I have already asked the authorized person to send a mail to wikipedia regarding the authorisation for using the content in Wikipedia.
Also I am getting the references of all the published newspaper article that can vouch for Mr.Adhikaris achievements and help make the article a notable one. I will do as you have suggested as soon as possible and write back to you for more help.
Regards, Sameer.littlemagix (talk) 11:08, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
- The text from LinkedIn is pretty much unusable, since it's unambiguously promotional in tone. Note that you also cannot use it as a source. I wouldn't lose any sleep over getting it through DCM. Let me know if you want me to look over your sandbox again in the future. Yunshui 雲水 10:37, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Dear Yunshui,
I have completely rewritten the article for Mr.Adhikari and I have used only published references. Some of the references are in Regional Language in India but the authenticity of the source can be checked online. I have also provided the link for most of them.
Request you to kindly go through the SandBox and suggest if the article fits into all the norms and criterion of publishing.
Regards Sameer.littlemagix (talk) 01:18, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Page Curation newsletter
Hey Yunshui. This will be, if not our final newsletter, one of the final ones :). After months of churning away at this project, our final version (apart from a few tweaks and bugfixes) is now live. Changes between this and the last release include deletion tag logging, a centralised log, and fixes to things like edit summaries.
Hopefully you like what we've done with the place; suggestions for future work on it, complaints and bugs to the usual address :). We'll be holding a couple of office hours sessions, which I hope you'll all attend. Many thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 11:25, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
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The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #2)
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This edition The Olive Branch is focusing on a 2nd dispute resolution RfC. Two significant proposals have been made. Below we describe the background and recent progress and detail those proposals. Please review them and follow the link at the bottom to comment at the RfC. We need your input!
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Until late 2003, Jimmy Wales was the arbiter in all major disputes. After the Mediation Committee and the Arbitration Committee were founded, Wales delegated his roles of dispute resolution to these bodies. In addition to these committees, the community has developed a number of informal processes of dispute resolution. At its peak, over 17 dispute resolution venues existed. Disputes were submitted in each venue in a different way. Due to the complexity of Wikipedia dispute resolution, members of the community were surveyed in April 2012 about their experiences with dispute resolution. In general, the community believes that dispute resolution is too hard to use and is divided among too many venues. Many respondents also reported their experience with dispute resolution had suffered due to a shortage of volunteers and backlogging, which may be due to the disparate nature of the process. An evaluation of dispute resolution forums was made in May this year, in which data on response and resolution time, as well as success rates, was collated. This data is here.
Leading off from the survey in April and the evaluation in May, several changes to dispute resolution noticeboard (DRN) were proposed. Rather than using a wikitext template to bring disputes to DRN, editors used a new javascript form. This form was simpler to use, but also standardised the format of submissions and applied a word limit so that DRN volunteers could more easily review disputes. A template to summarise, and a robot to maintain the noticeboard, were also created. As a result of these changes, volunteers responded to disputes in a third of the time, and resolved them 60% faster when compared to May. Successful resolution of disputes increased by 17%. Submissions were 25% shorter by word count.(see Dispute Resolution Noticeboard Statistics - August compared to May) Outside of DRN other simplification has taken place. The Mediation Cabal was closed in August, and Wikiquette assistance was closed in September. Nevertheless, around fifteen different forums still exist for the resolution of Wikipedia disputes.
Given the success of the past efforts at DR reform, the current RFC proposes we implement: 1) A submission gadget for every DR venue tailored to the unique needs of that forum.
2) A universal dispute resolution wizard, accessible from Wikipedia:Dispute resolution.
3) Additionally, we're seeking any ideas on how we can attract and retain more dispute resolution volunteers. |
Please share your thoughts at the RfC.
--The Olive Branch 18:44, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
RickWilliams75
Hi, Yunshui! Sure, I'd be willing to mentor Rick and make sure he stays out of trouble. One question though: what's the fastest place to make a report in the case he starts vandalizing again? AN/I, maybe? CtP (t • c) 19:44, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
- Cheers Chris, more on your talkpage. Yunshui 雲水 10:37, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
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Shrikanthv (talk) 12:29, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. Keep up the good work — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sadiq Khan.M (talk • contribs) 16:46, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
CVUA
Hi Yunshui. I'm leaving you this message because you have previously been involved with Counter-Vandalism, and may still be. The Academy project has been restructured, placing responsibility for it on the trainers themselves and as part of the process I am trying to find out who is still interested in remaining as active trainers.
In future, there will be no clerking or coordination, so If you are still active and can respond to requests from students within around 48 hours, you need do nothing until a new student contacts you on your talk page. Nevertheless, if your status changes, please update your entry on the table of active trainers at the new WP:CVUA page. If you no longer have sufficient time to commit to the CV training project, that's fine, but please remove your name from the active list. While on your travels however, should you come across users who are having a hard time with their reverts, don't hesitate to send them a link to the CVUA. Thanks, and happy editing! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
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All answered , please have a look Shrikanthv (talk) 17:47, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Here we go again...
Hi Yunshi, Hindustan Group of Institutions is up and running again. Same article creator, same content, same problems.--Shirt58 (talk) 11:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up - page deleted, user given a final warning. I'm back online for a bit now; if you see it go up again, let me know and I'll slap a block on him. Yunshui 雲水 11:55, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, 雲水. most appreciated. To be honest, I was tempted to go to WP:AIV and report them as a promotion-only account, but I don't think it's block o'clock in whatever time-zone. It's a new account, and they wouldn't be aware of Wikipedia's policies. I write "they" not in singular they sense - their edits included a lot of the use of "we" and "us". Hmm...
- Though it violated any number of policies, I personally think it's a damn shame the article had to be deleted: it would appear to me to be a very valid article subject. I dare to suggest that a recently-established First World tertiary institution would have organised the creation of an article that would have not raised these issues.
- Thanks again! --Shirt58 (talk) 12:40, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
- The editor in question turns out to have been a serial copyright violator - I ended up having to delete almost his entire contribution history. There's a definite SPA whiff about him/them as well...
- I'd agree that the subject looks to pass WP:N fairly easily.I know a fellow editor who might be interested in creating a decent version of the article; I'll drop him a line with the sources and see if he fancies doing a proper job of it. Yunshui 雲水 12:46, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
In Reference to Adopt-Me
In reference to your message on my talk page User_talk:Utkarsh007. I am interested in Adopt-me campaign. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.120.25 (talk) 13:49, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
- Grand. Given that you've got a user account, I'd strongly advise that you make sure you're logged in whilst editing - the Log In option is in the top right of your screen. I'll post a message on your talkpage in a moment or two. Yunshui 雲水 13:54, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
How much time I have to get back my posted article - Panna Lal Sharma
Hi,
I am new to this task of posting an article on wiki.
Certainly It was shocking and unpleasant experience that with in 3-4 hrs of last update on that article, you had deleted my page.
I can provide the link from reliable sources.
But after that, I'll be able to see that old article or I need to put my time again and post an article again.
being in India, this sounds really pretty disrespectful attitude of Wikipedia. They have not kept my post for a single day and there is no substitute like emailing the user about deletion. May be americans and english found it professional attitude but certainly I am not going to say good about WikiPedia after this experience. I am given time to write the article and you have just deleted this... such a bad act. I understand, I can't abuse on net... but yes If your visitor is valuable for your site then please mind it like an abuse to your professional attitude. I am not taking personally... nothing gonna change if you are not allowing me to post an article.. but deleting my article without notifying me and that too in just 3-4 hrs, really unpleasant experience.
I want to know what can I do now and please don't route me to your so called big rule book.
Please brief me in simple way.
What can I do now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravidhruv04 (talk • contribs) 17:22, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
- Simply put, the article you created was unsuitable for a number of reasons. First and foremost, it failed to provide any indication that the subject was sufficiently notable for inclusion (be aware that notability as a Wikipedia inclusion criterion is a highly specific concept). This is the reason it was speedily deleted. There were a number of other problems, however: it contained a large amount of unverifiable information, and thus violated our policy on biographies of living people; the language used was unencyclopedic and heavily promotional; the (minimal) references provided did not meet the standards for reliable sources; and as the article creator, you appear to have a conflict of interest (since, if the licensing information on File:PannaLalSharma.jpg is correct, you apparently know the subject). In short, the page was completely unsuitable for Wikipedia.
- If you do not have a copy of the article text and would like to retain one for your own records, I would be happy to email it to you (you will need to enable email in your Preferences (top right of your screen) in order for me to do this).
- CaroleHenson notified you of the speedy deletion with this edit, and was actually kind enough to add additional comments further explaining the situation, instead of simply leaving a templated message. You were also made aware of the notability requirements and the unsuitability of the topic back in May of this year, with this message from David1217.
- Please do not attempt to recreate this page on Wikipedia. If you want to post a tribute to Mr Sharma online, there are alternative outlets you can use; try WikiBios or a web hosting service. Yunshui 雲水 07:11, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
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inquries
Hi there
I'm trying to create a page taking about central china real estate, and i believe what i write ahout the company is all the truth
and i dont know for what reason it's deleted, could you let me know the reasons behind? and it's not fair that i saw other peers are pasting almost the same information at wikipedia and their articles were not deleted, while mine was.
Please dont just send me the link for study how to post the article, thats irresponsible!
Thanks
Beat banana (talk) 03:49, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
- The page Central China Real Estate was deleted because it gave no indication that the company was notable enough for inclusion. It provided no sources beyond a spam link to the company's own webpage, and contained no information that suggested the company was anything other than a run-of-the-mill property developer. Mere existence is not sufficient to warrant an article on Wikipedia. This is explained in the notice on your talkpage. Yunshui 雲水 07:23, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Kulwinder Singh
Hi Yunshui
My name is Sonia and I had created the page 'Kulwinder Singh' which you deleted sometime back. I would like to know how do I create a page for him and what are the things I should keep in mind. Kulwinder Singh is the Director of Global Marketing and communication at Synechron and I work with him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soniyaanand (talk • contribs) 07:58, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Sonia. The content you added was deleted for a) being entirely promotional in tone (most of it would not have looked out of place on the man's CV) and b) giving no indication of notability. If you work with Mr Singh, your conflict of interest means that you should probably not be the person to write an article on him in any case. If you believe he meets Wikipedia's basic inclusion requirements, then I would suggest you make a request at Requested articles, so that an univolved editor can create the page instead. Yunshui 雲水 08:04, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you!
Thanks for fixing the 2013 NRL Grand Final fuddle.--Shirt58 (talk) 12:54, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
- No problem. Yunshui 雲水 12:57, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Mr Sparks Page
Hello,
I was wondering why one of the artists i play on City FM (National) has been deleted, It was created by one of my team and took him ages to write it, Would we be able to recreate it if we call it (Mr Sparks, Rapper)?
Kind Regards, Jamie Hoult Founder of City FM National — Preceding unsigned comment added by CityFMNational (talk • contribs) 14:01, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
- Not without substantial changes to the article, no. It was deleted because Mr Sparks does not appear to meet the basic guidelines for inclusion; leastways, the article gave no indication of his notability. It also failed our policy on biographies of living people due to a lack of reliable sources. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information; subjects covered here must have received sufficient coverage elsewhere first.
- In addition, if you are the same person who previously operated the account User:MrSparksMusic, please be aware that Wikipedia has a policy against the use of multiple accounts, especially if they are being used to evade a block. Yunshui 雲水 14:09, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm not the owner of the MrSparksMusic account, If i redo the whole page for Sparks can i open it then explaining literally everything about his life not just bits and bobs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CityFMNational (talk • contribs) 14:12, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
- You would need to be able to verify every piece of information in the article, so unless a national newspaper or magazine has published an in-depth biography of Mr Sparks, that would be a very bad idea. It's eveident that you haven't understood how Wikipedia works: we do not publish articles on just anybody. Find three or four reliable, independent sources that meet the requirements set out here and discuss Mr Sparks in detail (i.e. not passing mentions or listings that happen to include his name), then it might be possible to create an article. For what it's worth, I've looked (and I'm well-practiced at creating articles on pretty damn obscure topics) and found nothing useable. Yunshui 雲水 14:19, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi I'm Mr Sparks, is there any chance i could get my article back? if so please message back
(talk page stalker) Probably not because of the lack of notability per WP:BAND, and especially as it appears to be fairly certain that you are using several accounts. The fake article on the user talk page has also now been deleted.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:26, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Paul Onwuanibe
I have created the page (Paul Onwuanibe) twice and was deleted. what is the reason for the speedy deletion? please it is my CEO's profile and he wants it on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonaths23 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
- Because a) it was promotional, b) he does not appear to be notable and c) you have a conflict of interest. Read this page, please. Yunshui 雲水 14:19, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Please how can I make it better and create the page?Jonaths23 (talk) 14:23, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi, can I re create the article by rephrasing the contents to make sure that it is not promosional and their is no conflict of interest? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonaths23 (talk • contribs) 15:10, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
- Potentially you might be able to. Read the guidelines for editors with a conflict of interest and try submitting it via WP:Articles for creation; see how you get on. Remember, you need to maintain neutral language and demonstrate notability - failing to do either of these will simply mean that the page gets deleted again. As a pointer, your first effort was pretty much a textbook example of how not to write a Wikipedia article; avoid just about everything you did there and you'll stand a much better chance of getting it included. Yunshui 雲水 17:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
PERM
Thanks! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:28, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Take a look at Printz Boardand User:Kwalter123, please?
Hey, Yunshui! Could you take a look at the article Printz Board and User:Kwalter123 for me? He's been posting the same spammy copyvio material (from here) over and over again (to Printz Board Credits, before that was deleted at AfD, now to this one). I've done everything I can to explain it to him, and he still isn't getting it...the article needs to be deleted (probably per G11 and G12), but I don't really want to be the one to tag it; could you take a look at it for me and tell me what you think? As an aside, he's also apparently has a COI; he said on my talk page that he's the subject's assistant. Thanks! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:17, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
- I've taken a look and pulled the copyvo from the article. It seems pretty likely that Printz Board meets the notability guidelines, and we probably should have an article on him - not, however, one written by his PA, and certainly one copied directly from another website. I've given Kwalter123 a final warning for copyvio (I'd have pointed him at DCM, but that material's unusable for a number of other reasons as well). If he steps out of line again, blocking looks like the only sensible option. Yunshui 雲水 13:29, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. You're probably right about notability, though when I was looking for sources prior to the AfD I didn't find much usable: a lot of mentions in reliable sources, but nothing with really significant coverage. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:37, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
- Assuming the stuff about the Grammy Awards is true (I haven't checked) he passes WP:MUSICBIO (it's enough to decline an A7, anyway). The sources already in the article are, frankly, piss-poor - if you can find anything better, go for it. Yunshui 雲水 13:44, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for your message. Sorry for confusing you - I want Jack Fenton moved/renamed to John Fenton (disambiguation). Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 07:25, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- Thought that might be the case. Okay; I'll do it now. Yunshui 雲水 07:26, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Hello!
To whom it may concern, I do not know why you had to delete my article about "Enis Tufina." The watch collection i have, the Masters Degree in History and Bachelors in Political Science from NEIU give me the possibility to write an article about a fascinating young watchmaker that has a fascinating story to tell. Recently, i purchased on of his brands on eBay, and i got very interested to find out more. I hope that you will reconsider your decisions. Sincerely, Thomas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tr1973 (talk • contribs) 12:23, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- Your submission did not indicate why the subject was notable enough for inclusion. Wikipedia's primary inclusion guideline is notability, which, on this site, means coverage in reliable, independent sources (such as newspapers, magazine articles, television programmes, research papers, books or reliable websites). Before trying to resubmit the article, please read the relevant guidelines on Notability and Reliable sources. Yunshui 雲水 12:25, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Redirect
Hi,
You have redirected Dam Level to GoldenEye 007 (2010 video game). But there is no mention of the word 'Dam level' or 'Dam' in the target article. Hence the redirect is inappropriate. --Anbu121 (talk me) 14:23, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- That's because I'm an eejit and redirected it to the wrong game - it should go to GoldenEye 007 (1997 video game). Mea cupla, fixed now. Thanks for the heads-up. Yunshui 雲水 07:10, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Denny Moss
Thanks. I was very tempted simply to speedy it myself, but I thought there should really be more than one pair of eyes. We edit-conflicted at JoieManda, where I had also gone to change the block notice to a sock one. Since the CU confirms, what was already pretty obvious, that this is not the real person, should we perhaps remove the "If you are the real person do this... " notice? I had thought about that and decided I would, but I leave it to you. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 14:26, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- Seems like a good idea; I should have done it myself. I'll sort that now. Cheers, Yunshui 雲水 07:11, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Khenpo Gelek Gyamtso of Tibetan Buddhism
Hello I started to work on this page Lama Gelek Gyamtso, less then an hour after I started to work on the page I noticed someone had marked it for deletion. I find this rude. I would expect to have at least some time. The page is about a real person of significance in Tibetan Buddhism. He is the heart son or notable student of Tsopo Dorlo Rinpoche among the student is his name: Khenpo Gelek. Tsopo Dorlo Rinpoche is a reincarnation of one of Guru Rinpoches 25 close students and so Khenpo Gelek is of great interest as his heart student. He is also a close student of Akhyuk Rinpoche known for being the last in the old generation of Tibetan Lamas. Lama Gelek was a close student of his and acceived his Dr. Divinity status under him. He spent 10 years in solitary retreat. I intended to work on this page, actually we are several people who will do this. Had no time to start though. I know Gelek Rinpoche or Lama Gelek Gyamtso personally, he came out of Tibet as a refugee in 2000 and carry the whole of the Buddhas teachings in study as well as practical knowledge. I am new to this and it is not expected that I will make it perfect at once. Tulku Yeshe Trögyal (talk) 14:57, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- User requested undeletion at WP:REFUND#http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lama_Gelek_Gyamtso and I have userfied the page for him. JohnCD (talk) 17:39, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- Seems reasonable. Cheers John. Yunshui 雲水 07:07, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Ovimbundu/Southern Mbundu people
Hi Yunshui, thanks for deleting the redirect at Ovimbundu and moving Southern Mbundu people there. The talk page still redirects to the old one, however. Would you mind doing the same to the talk pages? Thanks, BDD (talk) 15:00, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- Whoops. Done now. Thanks for letting me know. Yunshui 雲水 07:07, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Question regarding B. Todd Jones
Hello, I am looking at the history of B. Todd Jones and I am unsure what would be the correct avenue to take my concerns (if I was sure of the proper noticeboard, I would have take it there). At first glance, it might seem like a slowgoing edit war over content added by the IP but Hazydan has raised some valid concerns to the additions in accordance to various policies (such as WP:BLP and WP:NPOV). Honestly, I don't know what to do and thought that you would have some better insight as an admin and an experienced editor. Thanks, SassyLilNugget (talk) 15:09, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- Cheers for the extra workload ! I have protected the page and asked the IP to discuss his proposal on the article's talkpage; hopeful he will do so and they can arrive at some sort of consensus. I'll keep half an eye on it in future, in case anything flares up again. Yunshui 雲水 07:05, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Deleted Article
Hi! I wrote a page on The Parallax, a death metal band. They are up-and-coming, so they don't have an official website yet. My major source was a personal interview with one of the members. My other sources were to back up the names of the recording studios representatives they played for. Do you feel this musical group is irrelevant? They are fairly well known among metal fans in the GTA, due to their large number of public performances, but they're making their way up. So, can I put the page back up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LiviiBee (talk • contribs) 21:54, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, but up and coming bands very rarely attract sufficient media attention to meet the inclusion guidelines for notability. If you can find significant coverage in reliable independent sources then it might be worth recreating the page, but a personal interview with the band is totally insufficient. Yunshui 雲水 06:54, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you
Thank you Yunshi so proud to have wonderful people like yourself in this world Peace and positive Juju
Kind regards
Mel and Kama — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.75.126.152 (talk) 22:47, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- No idea what I did to deserve that, but thank you! Yunshui 雲水 06:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
User:JKHales has redirected his user and talk page to your page.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:56, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- Weird. Thanks for letting me know. Yunshui 雲水 06:50, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
WP:AN
I see we have a difference of opinion at WP:AN. Of course, this is fine and we all have a right to our opinion. I do think that bans are something that should take place in a calm and cool environment, as the last resort. When the villagers are all carrying pitchforks and torches is not a good time to make such a drastic decision, even if it eventually becomes the right decision, as we shouldn't be reactive, but instead proactive. I think it is our responsibility to be those calm and collected voices of reason. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:16, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Dennis. I appreciate you taking the time to drop by here. Any response I give is largely irrelevent, since it seems consensus is with your position rather than mine on this one - I still feel that a ban is the only appropriate action (I see NH's action as clear recidivism, which is grounds for a ban post-Betacommandgate), but it seems the community doesn't agree. For what it's worth, I didn't consider my !vote to be bandwagon-jumping (had there not been a series of edit conflicts, it would have been the second on the list) and I'd been following the case for some time without commenting, so I was well aware of the circumstances. In my personal opinion, the "right" decision is the right decision regardless of when it's made - to use your analogy; if the farm-implement-wielding villagers manage to stake the vampire, the result is still a net positive.
- (that sounds really bad - I'm certainly not trying to compare NH to a vampire!)
- But hey, one of the beauties of a peer-led community like this is that we're allowed - even encouraged - to disagree from time to time. Thanks for sharing your perspective, and thanks also for allowing that I might be a potential "calm and collected voice of reason". Always a pleasure to hear your views. All the best, Yunshui 雲水 08:12, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
User:Priya Kapoor
I'm not going to fault you for the block; it was within the same administrative discretion I was exercising. But, I usually prefer in that case to at least give the user a chance to prove that they really might be that person. You never know. Daniel Case (talk) 15:18, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Daniel. Thanks for the message. My personal take is that the block template is a simple and straightforward way of giving them that chance - it contains all the links and email addresses necessary to confirm their identity. If they really are Ms Kapoor, it's only the work of a quick email to prove it and get unblocked, and if not, the block is legit. In the interests of protecting Ms Kapoor, I think an unprejudiced username block has the most positive real-world consequences. But as I said to Dennis immediately above, disagreement is a natural and positive part of Wikipedia; if you hold a different opinion, that's fine. Should you wish to unblock and request they confirm their identity in another way, I won't contest it. Yunshui 雲水 08:19, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Roald Dahl protection
Many thanks for indefinitely protecting Roald Dahl. I speak on behalf of several editors who appreciate your intervention. - Fanthrillers (talk) 22:41, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- You're welcome; that edit history was a right mess. I accept payment in beer, cake or Google series A preferred stock. Yunshui 雲水 08:22, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your help with the FDR "monument" and the warm welcome.
Hi Yunshui,
Thanks for your help with changing the title of the photo I contributed. You made it very easy. It had stopped me from uploaded a few more photos- I saw I didn't yet know enough. And thank you for the warm welcome and links to all the "new person" articles. I'll read them. I have noticed a few articles in my area of expertise that I think I can improve. After reading the links you sent me, I'll give it a try if they have not been improved already by then.
Sorry if this is not the best way to leave to a personal thank you message. Next I'll read the intro articles.
Regards, Markdiaz (talk) 23:04, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- You're very welcome Mark, I'm glad I could help. If you're interested in contributing but feel a bit overawed by all the policies and processes (a common situation, I assure you!), you might want to consider putting yourself up for adoption, so that a more experienced user can show you the ropes. You're also more than welcome to ask me here if you come across anything you don't understand. Cheers, Yunshui 雲水 08:36, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Talkback
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Advice re:- JohnGledden Article
Morning Yunshui,
Firstly taking the time to answer my desperate plea for help on the Teahouse link - Your reply gave me encouragement that this could eventually be published !!
However, I don't think my brain is tuned in to Wikipedia and despite reading and re-reading your advice, I am still struggling to do what is required,
I am reading but not following or able to complte the instructions that must seem so simple to everybody else !!
Is there anybody who could help ne finish the last bits of this article. I am not adverse to paying someone even if it gets it completed..
Thank you again -0 I feel totally stumped and pretty useless !!
Janet x Tennisbuff12345 (Tennisbuff12345 (talk) 09:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC))
Ps - You see I can't even get the 4 x waves right to sign --- AGGGHHHH - Please help !!
- I'll take a look and see if there's anything I can do. I'll drop you a note shortly. (Looks to me as though you got the ~~~~ tildes right, by the way, but you don't need to actually write your name and user ID first). Yunshui 雲水 09:07, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
run4charity page deletion
Hi,
You deleted my wiki page...even though I amended it to clearly state that I was the author of the original text on the run4charity.net site. I also posted a waiver for the text...on the wiki page. I put a talk page as well to state this.
The email address used on the website and wiki account are the same. Can you re-instate?
Regards,
Mark — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdoher1 (talk • contribs) 13:07, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
- Please see the comments placed on your talk page, both by me and by User:JamesBWatson. Yunshui 雲水 14:05, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Teahouse TB
Hi Yunshui-- just wanted to remind you to post a talkback template on a user's talk page when you answer their question at the Teahouse. I noticed Angelbird72 (talk · contribs) did not have one for your recent response, so I just put one there. I think you've used it before (don't worry, I forget sometimes as well), but if I'm wrong, here is the syntax for the template: {{WP:Teahouse/Teahouse_talkback|WP:Teahouse/Questions|question title goes here|ts=~~~~}}. Thanks! I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 16:40, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
- Usually I just do it with Twinkle, but I obviously forgot here. Thanks for jumping in and doing it for me. Yunshui 雲水 20:40, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
My userpage
Hi there,
thank you for reverting the vandalism on my user page. I think your suggestion is great, so could you please semi-protect my userpage? Thank you!
Best regards, O.Koslowski (talk) 06:09, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
- It's done. Yunshui 雲水 06:48, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Talkback
Message added 10:29, 8 October 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Re answered my test please review. Thanking VS Shrikanthv (talk) 10:29, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Editing logos out of the picture
Hello Mr Yunshui, I had written couple of article related to electrical motor controllers before and for images I had asked copyrights from one company and they allowed the pictures for wiki , it seems that one of the editor got agrivated by seeing the logo and edited out the logo making it blank, and again the company which had lended the pictures were asking if they had given of the rights to edit also without permission (as no atribution was made that it had belonged to them ). so I am in kind of jam now , so what to do ?
the image
File:Braking_chopper_in_use.jpg
do let me now what is appropriate is such regards. Shrikanthv (talk) 13:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Shrikanthv. I'm a bit confused here -
the image you've linked to is at Wikimedia Commons and was uploaded by User:Jojalazzo - is that your username on Commons, or is it a different person?Not to worry, I've found the deleted version you originally uploaded to en-wiki. I'm also not seeing any logo in the image, nor in its history.
- The things you basically need to know are:
- We can't use the file without attributing the copyright holder - presumably the company, but possibly the photographer themselves.
- The copyright holder has to release it under a suitable licence. Assuming that the Commons description is correct, this image is available under CC-BY-SA, which is fine. They can't, however, allow its use just in Wikipedia; it has to be freely available to anyone, anywhere.
- Please could you clarify for me:
How did the company give permission for the picture to be used?Nevermind, I've found the OTRS ticket for it - it's cool.- Which editor objected to the logo, and what action did they take (if you can provide diffs, that would be a great help)?
- What action do you want to see happen - does the file need to be deleted, do you want me to intervene with the other editor? What do you actually need from me here?
- All the best, Yunshui 雲水 13:21, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
- PS. Don't know if you've noticed, but I re-marked the CSD test for you. Yunshui 雲水 13:21, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, I think I've pieced together the history here. Are you concerned because the file has been deleted on Wikipedia? If that's the case, you needn't worry - it has been deleted, but it's also been moved to Wikimedia Commons because it's freely licenced under CC-BY-SA. Such free images tend to be moved to Commons rather than retained at en-wiki. Does that help answer your question at all? Yunshui 雲水 13:28, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
- Looked at it again - is it the case that the version you originally uploaded contained the company logo, and the version User:Jojalazzo has created at Commons has edited this out? If that's so, he is perfectly entitled to do so - when the company released the image under CC-BY-SA 3.0, they agreed to any changes or alterations that other people made to the picture, so long as the original source was identified. Removing their logo would be perfectly permissable under the licencing terms they agreed to. The image exists to illustrate a braking chopper, not the manufacturer's logo, so it's still perfectly servicable for article. The attribution is on the descriptor page, in the OTRS log, and also in the file history. Yunshui 雲水 13:41, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for going in much deep Mr. Yunshi, So I understand it was legal of what User:Jojalazzo did , is it also still allowed to have a product with logo ?. and Thanks for making me understand how the attribution works. Shrikanthv (talk) 06:37, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Logos tend to be securely copyrighted, which is why I was confused by the suggestion that the company in question had released theirs under a free licence. As far as Wikipedia is concerned, logos are usually used under Fair use, meaning that they are only placed in articles where the company's logo needs to be illustrated (because no free alternative could exist). If a company releases its logo as part of a free image, they give permission for that logo to be altered and reused by others - including commercially - which, as a brand, is an extremely silly thing to do. The horse has bolted by this point, but since Jojalazzo sensibly removed the logo, and since the version of the image that contained it has been deleted, their corporate image should be safe.
- In answer to your questions, yes, Jojalazzo's actions were completely legal and in line with the image's licensing. Whilst it is permissable to have an image of the compay logo on Wikipedia, it should be uploaded under fair use so that they retain their copyright - here's a link to the relevent legal stuff. I'd strongly advise against getting them to release a product image featuring their logo under a free licence; they would effectively be waiving the major part of their copyright to the logo by doing so. Hope this helps to clarify things. Yunshui 雲水 07:11, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for going in much deep Mr. Yunshi, So I understand it was legal of what User:Jojalazzo did , is it also still allowed to have a product with logo ?. and Thanks for making me understand how the attribution works. Shrikanthv (talk) 06:37, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Attributing user space copies
Hi Yunshui, I'd like to take up an issue that you raised on User talk:Cartel82: If I get you right, one shouldn't copy Wikipedia articles into user space without attribution. For the copying into user space, I use something like make copy for rewrite. This of course does not keep the page history, but then I do not intend to ever move that user space draft over an existing article.
The issue is that our students should currently not yet mess with main space content, you have seen for yourself what the outcome can be. So I fear that this is exactly what I told them to do: Copy the article into user space and make their improvements there. Once we have evaluated it, I either ask for a HistMerge, or I incorporate the changes with an edit summary like incorporating changes from User:Pgallert/General dealer, part of Wikipedia:School and university projects/Polytechnic of Namibia.
Do you think this is sufficient, or can you suggest how to improve the process? Thanks and best regards, Pgallert (talk) 14:40, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
- The basic problem with copying an article to userspace without attribution is that the student is then effectively claiming to have written the pre-existing text (the first edit will read: "User:Student created page with "Namibia, officially the Republic of Namibia (Afrikaans: Republiek van Namibië, German: About this sound Republik Namibia (help·info)), is a country...", which makes it appear that the text is their own work). Because of Wikipedia's copyright policy, this is a no-no - attribution has to be given to the original author of the text. A simple, if minimal, solution is to include a direct wikilink to the original in the first edit summary, e.g. "Text copied from Namibia" - this then means that future readers can see the date at which the text was copied and evaluate how much of it was created by other editors at Namibia. A better solution is to use the
{{copied}}
template (full syntax at the template link), which goes on the talkpage of the draft and establishes what was copied, when and from where. This provides the necessary attribution and avoids any copyright issues. - Some students have provided a link to the original article in their drafts, which is a start, but really the draft needs to clearly demonstrate when the text was copied across (so that readers can establish exactly who had contributed to the article up to that point) and how much of it was used -
{{copied}}
does all that for them. - Hope that helps a bit, feel free to get in touch with me again if necessary. Yunshui 雲水 07:22, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Hmm, well, I know about the {{copied}} template. I thought it was for articles where the copy is in main space, or where the copy is ever supposed to make it to main space.
- The first issue is, we cannot ask students to all create new articles, because in its third year the project has produced quite a number of them, and red links are getting more difficult to find, and to make blue. We therefore allow (encourage, actually) to improve existing articles.
- The second issue is, depending on the news coverage of a particular period we always have certain "hot topics" that are chosen by dozens of students. So apart from the situation that many students will mess up an article in main space with the skills they currently have, the exercise becomes impossible to mark if a whole cohort of students, sometimes not even logged in, makes changes to the same article. The page history of Johanna Benson is a small example of that, but the page history of Oshakati is worse.
- The third issue is that using {{copied}} on student's user space drafts forces me to introduce a whole new set of topics that I currently dodge: permalinks, attribution within Wikipedia, talk pages other than User talk, maintenance templates, page history, and so on. Not sure if this is doable.
- The fourth issue is that I can rarely use student's submissions for mainspace without changing them. Proper attribution would require me (the student is not around anymore to do that) to incorporate the improvement as-is, then to wikify, and then to mark the user space draft talk page with {{copied}}. That's three edits instead of one, a lot more clicks in my browser to find the permalinks, and a lot more work.
- I'll remember to ask them to link to the original in their first edit summary, but this semester's students I do not meet anymore; I only gave the central lectures and conducted the tutor's workshops. The tutorials where students do the assignment are not under my influence. Thanks for the explanation, Pgallert (talk) 18:59, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- I can definitely see the advantages of having students edit drafts in userspace. I'd imagine this issue has arisen before, and we may well have a more specific template for such purposes that they could use; I'll have a look around.
- Having students understand the basics of the different namespaces would be useful. At present, many of them have created their drafts on their userpages, rather than on subpages - nothing inherently wrong with that, but it does cause a bit of a headache if they then try to move the submission somewhere else. Sandboxes or draft user subpages are definitely preferable. It would also free up their userpages to allow them to put a link to the relevent School & University project, making it easier for editors to contact their tutors and understand thier editing.
- I'm afraid I don't have any simple answers (and the genie's out of the bottle already anyway), but I'll give it some thought; if I can come up with an easy solution I'll let you know. Yunshui 雲水 13:58, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
You deleted my page
hello sir, you deleted the page i tried to create titled The Elliott Argument...I admit i didnt know how wikipedia worked before submitting it...I didnt realize how well it needed to be sourced, that i needed so many references, and that I couldnt delete peoples comments on the talk pages....I have vamped up the article, it is very well sourced now and i've put a lot more work into it...I was told I had to ask you if I could resubmit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrfivethirty (talk • contribs) 06:07, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Aaaand... declined. Wikipedia is not a soapbox; this is entirely the wrong forum for your argument. In addition, the sources added do nothing to suggest that the argument itself is notable, meaning that it fails the basic inclusion guidelines. My advice? Give it up - you've already been blocked once for doggedly trying to push this into the encyclopedia; if it happens again it will probably mean an indefinite leave of absence for you. If your only purpose here is to try and get an article about your argument included, then I'm afraid you are wasting your time; you might do better at one of the many alternative sites that allow this sort of thing. Yunshui 雲水 06:58, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Caspar Lee
I am trying to make a page about Caspar Lee but whenever I do, it gets deleted. Could you get someone else to do it because I'm obviously not very good at this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poohfaster (talk • contribs) 15:51, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Your deleted "articles" consist of a flat statement that this guy is a popular vlogger on YouTube. You provide no sources, no evidence, nothing. Being a vlogger on YouTube is not an assertion of notability. What newspapers and magazines have written about this guy? Who says he is popular? Our guidelines on people make it clear that people must meet minimum standards of notability before articles about them are going to be found in Wikipedia. Thousands of people have vlogs; millions of people post to YouTube; that does not constitute notability. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:06, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
confused
why did you delete my article and not accept it??? it IS very well sourced and has tons of citations (wikipedic and other)...tell me what i need to do different please...i read all the guidlines and dont see any issues — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.116.40 (talk) 17:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
im going to
im going to have some noteable people review the argument and write reviews on it...will it then be "noteable" enought for you? ps, did you know the ELLIOTT Argument is he most talked about apologetic argument on the entire internet right now?? Also you said "its the wrong forum for my argument?" Once it become noteable enough for your standards how is it the wrong forum?? There are tons of philosophical and apologetics arguments all over wikipedia!...why not tell them they are in the wrong forum? My argument falls under the same category as these, its just newer! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.116.40 (talk) 17:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- In the same way that Jimmy Savile is the most talked about celebrity sex offender in the UK right now Mongoletsi (talk) 09:02, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
- ↑ Not cool. I'd appreciate it, Mongoletsi, if you'd strike that comment. Yunshui 雲水 09:21, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
- In the same way that Jimmy Savile is the most talked about celebrity sex offender in the UK right now Mongoletsi (talk) 09:02, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
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Another test ?
Hello Mr Yunshui, do i have next step after test ? , is there secound test ? Shrikanthv (talk) 09:32, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Shrikanthv. I hadn't considered a second test, though I could construct one if you'd like. I was actually planning to head over to your talkpage to discuss a couple of your recent nominations, so expect a message from me there shortly. Yunshui 雲水 10:14, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Why would you delete my page!!!!! Why!!!!! Sweet Jesus!!!!! Why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.136.21 (talk) 10:27, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
- Assuming you're User:DragonRush (in which case, please log in), your submission did not indicate why the subject was notable enough for inclusion. Wikipedia's primary inclusion guideline is notability, which, on this site, means coverage in reliable, independent sources (such as newspapers, magazine articles, television programmes, research papers, books or reliable websites). Jordan Rush does not appear to have received such coverage. Yunshui 雲水 10:30, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Good job giving Elliott a kick up the bum
He really needs it. Crazy crazy stuff.
Cheers 182.239.197.160 (talk) 11:31, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not trying to give him a kick up the bum, just explain why his submission isn't suitable. He's as entitled to espouse his particular brand of apologetics as anyone, just not here. Yunshui 雲水 11:45, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Why was Horror Pain Gore Death Productions deleted?
Horror Pain Gore Death Productions is a record label with over a dozen acts signed to it, as well as an American distributor for other record labels abroad. Why was the page for this legitimate company deleted? In other words, it physically presses, distributes, and sells physical copies of CDs, thus it is no different in operation than more mainstream heavy metal record labels (such as Nuclear Blast Records or Relapse Records).
This was all listed on the Wikipedia page, and the information was referenced as well. There is an official website for the company, but Wikipedia apparently rejects the comoj domain for spam, thus I cannot use it as a reference; however, the link to that website can be found on the Horror Pain Gore Death Production metal-archives page located at http://www.metal-archives.com/labels/Horror_Pain_Gore_Death_Productions.
Thank you.
- Your submission did not indicate why the subject was notable enough for inclusion. Wikipedia's primary inclusion guideline is notability, which, on this site, means coverage in reliable, independent sources (such as newspapers, magazine articles, television programmes, research papers, books or reliable websites). See also WP:ORG. Yunshui 雲水 14:22, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/John Boultbee (Artist)
You have rightly indicated that this article contained material that may have infringed copyright. I have amended, and continue to amend, the article. What is my next step to have it re-appraised? Pgboultbee (talk) 02:42, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- Assuming you're talking about the article currently in your sandbox, you need to start by doing a heck of a lot more amending. A substantial amount of the text is still directly copied from the Blackbrook gallery profile - Wikipedia cannot legally host copyrighted material from other sites, including close paraphrasing, for any length of time. I've therefore removed the sentences which were clear copyright violations. Yunshui 雲水 07:24, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Re:Unsalted!
Thanks a lot I have done a copy paste move since all my sandbox history got included there! Thanks again!--Tito Dutta ✉ 13:09, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- Please help to move the talk page to the correct destination! I have messed up things and undone my own edits! --Tito Dutta ✉ 13:21, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- No worries, I already spotted that and sorted it. I've basically created the talkpage again from scratch, so your original request for assistance is now somewhat lost (it's at the rather amusingly titled User talk:Talk:Soham Chakraborty; I can delete it, copy it to the article talk page or shift it to your sandbox talkpage; depends what you'd prefer. Yunshui 雲水 13:26, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- Please help to move the talk page to the correct destination! I have messed up things and undone my own edits! --Tito Dutta ✉ 13:21, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, sir! That's the problem! You can copy to article talk page, but talk history should be merged too (that means, I request, you replied) etc. Or do whatever you like (move to article's talk page) etc! {[Smiley}} --Tito Dutta ✉ 13:28, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- Ta-daa! Yunshui 雲水 13:31, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- Once again you have proved you are a magician --Tito Dutta ✉ 13:45, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- Ta-daa! Yunshui 雲水 13:31, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Admin's Barnstar | |
You deserve this barnstar for your expertise! Tito Dutta ✉ 13:46, 11 October 2012 (UTC) |
Thanks! Yunshui 雲水 13:49, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Tea House
I have started giving a few replies at Tea house. But, I feel that my replies are no way comparable to high standards that you guys maintain at the tea house in terms of humbleness of the answer. Especially, I feel bad that this not so humble reply of mine preceded the fantastic two replies that followed. --Anbu121 (talk me) 10:34, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Anbu121. It's great that you're helping out new editors at the Teahouse! Your reply was perfectly correct: the questioner was proposing to use original research and it was a good idea to point this out. The only thing I'd suggest is that you try to make your answers a little bit less terse (I'm guessing English isn't your first language?) - the Teahouse is supposed to be the friendly face of Wikipedia, so we try to avoid simply saying "You can't do that because of <insert random string of capital letters linked to a policy here> policy." (Not that your reply was anything like as bad as that!)
- Please do carry on helping to answer questions at the Teahouse; the very fact that you're concerned that you might not be being welcoming enough suggests that you're an ideal host to have there. Just try to remember that new editors are often hugely confused, and may need a bit of hand-holding - you need to explain a bit, rather than just pointing to the relevent policies. Yunshui 雲水 10:44, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
O.K Yunshui
Dear yun... o.k.I have just read your message.Nice to meet you Yun.Hope,you will guid me in precious Wikipedia next also.Thank you for guidance Yunshui.