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A barnstar for you!

The Admin's Barnstar
Thanks for your Adminship! Sakib14 (talk) 09:44, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, it keeps me off the streets... thanks for the star. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:45, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

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Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa123|UPage|☺★ (talk) 11:39, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for making the table, does it contain every battle? Up to the very bottom? --Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa123|UPage|☺★ (talk) 13:39, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Double thanks if you double checked it! Sorry for bothering you along the way. It's the reality of Wikipedia --Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa123|UPage|☺★ (talk) 13:42, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Yep, they're all there; I just combined all the wikitables into one. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:53, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Chronologically? -- Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa123|UPage|☺★ (talk) 15:20, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Like I said, it's sortable - just click on the Date column's sort arrows to arrange it in chronological or reverse chronological order. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:21, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
IIRC, there's one redlinked battle that doesn't have a date; that automatically drops to the end. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:22, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

BIOL 345 sandbox question

Hi Yunshui, I'm a BIOL 345 student. My classmate and I are currently working in two separate sandboxes for our project. Is there a way that we can work on the same sandbox? So then we know what each other has already done. Robyn001 (talk) 00:12, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

One of you can create another subpage and name it "Project Sandbox" or something and use it together as a sandbox. --Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa123|UPage|☺★ (talk) 01:50, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I haven't the time right now, but as soon as I do I'll merge them for you. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:21, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Okay Robyn001 and Adamberson510, I've history-merged your sandboxes into User:Robyn001/sandbox. All your individual edits are therefore preserved in the history, so you can carry on working on that page as though you had been doing so all along. I've also redirected Adam's sandbox to Robyn's. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 08:36, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Yunshui! --108.180.206.153 (talk) 16:02, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Help me .

please help this article Saeed Shad is nominated criteria for speedy deletion why?I deleted all copy right with that website.Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balochi tamur (talk • contribs) 15:24, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

See WP:A7, or just read the big red notice on the page which explains the reason for deletion. After you unilaterally reverted my attempts save the Haneef Shareef article from deletion for you, you'll forgive me if I'm disinclined to try and rescue this article. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:28, 7 March 2014 (UTC)


hello yunshui, i just wanted to ask is it possible to move only part of a sandbox page? i just want to move https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Abhic93/sandbox2 (Early History of Lynn Canyon Park the first 4 paragraph) into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Abhic93/sandbox Andy2513 (talk) 20:08, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Shikhartv

Your student is back Special:Contributions/Shrikanthv. Did he finish your AFD/PROD lessons? Tito☸Dutta 20:45, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Facepalm Facepalm It's the BLPPROD tags that concern me the most. I've left him a note asking him to steer clear of deletion work for the time being; we shall see. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:40, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey thanks Mr yunshui,

Ya i will refrain from tagging will look on del proposal Shrikanthv (talk) 07:29, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Aurobindo

Yunshui, the article has been waiting for long for GA status. Can you sugget what i can do now for any one to review this article ? Shrikanthv (talk) 07:48, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I'd start by making sure all the issues raised at Talk:Sri Aurobindo/GA1 have been dealt with. Then, try reviewing a few other nominations yourself - there's a bit of give-and-take at GA, so you're more likely to get a review if you offer a few of your own. You could also try asking one of the experienced GA reviewers (e.g. SilkTork, Seabuckthorn or Dr. Blofeld) directly for their input. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:41, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

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Visa vandal

Hi, I don't know if you remember our previous discussion about the visa articles vandal who keeps removing Taiwan and Japan and adding (or removing if the information is perceived by the vandal as negative ie. when the visa is required or when there is a shorter allowed stay) South Korea - User_talk:Yunshui/Archive_29#Re:_Visa_vandal. It's been ongoing ever since - [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] etc. etc. I think he's proven to be persistent, doing the same thing for months. What can be done?--Twofortnights (talk) 15:39, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I've blocked his most recent (static) IP for a month, but I'm not sure how much good it will do; he seems to have access to several diverse IP ranges. A rangeblock's out of the question, and as we discussed before, there are too many pages affected for protection to be an effective solution. Your best bet might be to get someone with decent Regex chops to create an edit filter of some sort, though I'm not sure what form it would have to take. Beyond that, I'm afraid it's a case of playing whack-a-mole... Yunshui 雲‍水 08:49, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! We could look for a filter that would be applied to visa articles that would prohibit edits concerning words Korea, Japan and Taiwan. The only question is where on Wikipedia do people with knowledge and willingness to create such filters hang out?--Twofortnights (talk) 13:18, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
WP:RAF, in theory, although I've had a couple of requests up there for quite a while now with no response. User:Writ Keeper and User:Technical 13 are both very wise in the ways of coding, one of them might be able to help. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:22, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Myself or Jackmcbarn could probably design an edit filter for that, it would be helpful though to have a link to the "previous discussion" you had on it to try and narrow down the pattern as much as possible to reduce collateral damage. — {{U|Technical 13}} (t • e • c) 13:37, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Crikey, I've no clue - can't remember if it started from an AIV report or an RPP or something else. Twofortnights any ideas? As I recall, this particular user edits visa-related pages solely to remove references to China, Japan and (I think Taiwan), and insert South Korea instead. Not seen any other activity. If you can create a filter that detects and prevents edits by IPs that follow that pattern, it should do the job.
And thanks, by the way, for the swift response! Yunshui 雲‍水 14:11, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you both for your fast response! Yeah it was at one of the reporting pages, not sure exactly where, I can look through history. But I can tell you right now what the pattern is, this user basically goes through Visa policy of xxxcountrynamexxx (around 200 of these articles, there are 194 UN recognized countries plus some disputed and autonomous areas with separate visa policies) and does the following: 1) removes Taiwan 2) adds South Korea to the lists where South Korea is not visa exempt 3) removes South Korea where it's mentioned as a country whose citizens require a visa 4) from time to time also removes Japan. His IP addresses differed a lot but they seemed to be limited to around 3 ranges. He also edited with a registered account a few times. All the articles are here Template:Visa policy by country, please note that when I wrote 200 articles, I forgot that many countries have the common visa policy, which means one article, which means much less than 200 of them. He was also seen editing the Working holiday visa - recent revert of a few dozen edits he made extensively in the same way of introducing factual errors.--Twofortnights (talk) 14:19, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Here is the original report [11].--Twofortnights (talk) 14:22, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
@Technical 13:: Is that enough info for you to work your magic? Yunshui 雲‍水 14:32, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Ugh... I've looked through about a dozen or so of the edits, and I'm not sure that an edit filter here will do the trick. The reason for that is that this person isn't doing all of the changes in one edit most of the time. They do one edit to remove Taiwan, they do a separate edit to add S. Korea, etc... In of themselves, the edits that are being done, shouldn't trigger a filter because they are too simple. If there were multiple of these 194 articles that used the exact same list, then the clever thing to do would be to create a template, semi (or template) protect that template, and then transclude it in all the articles. I really don't have time to look through all of those articles, but do they all use the same list (minus themselves)? If there is some pattern in the articles for which countries to list, then we can take this different approach. — {{U|Technical 13}} (t • e • c) 18:41, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Technical 13 No, it is just simple tables like this - [12] in all articles. What you are suggesting though is some kind of a template with all countries listed, and in articles activated via country codes? For an example Moldova is visa-free for Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, and this would work by having this template that would be like {{countrylistvisafree|2|AD AU AZ}} that would produce the same list with flags and links for those countries as it is right now - Visa_policy_of_Moldova? Is such template possible (I presume yes, it would be similar to subst templates used for user warnings perhaps)? And if yes, would this make the anti-vandalism script possible?--Twofortnights (talk) 18:56, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Btw he didn't go away, just from today [13], [14], [15]. So is there any way to make that template that would trigger countries to be listed via country codes and then make that template sensitive to changes around certain countries?--Twofortnights (talk) 09:07, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

References

Hi Yunshui,

My partner and I would like to know how to make references only appear once in our reference column as many of them repeat. This is for our UBC human ecology course.

Thanks,

Geoff

Geoffreymckendry2243 (talk) 05:17, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Geoff. Sorry, I've only just seen this - the convention with talkpages is that new messages go at the bottom, so I didn't spot this until I checked student activity today. You can combine your references easily like this:
  1. In the first instance of the reference, use the code <ref name="unique reference identifier"> instead of the opening <ref> tag. For example, your first reference in the sandbox could be <ref name="Coppin">{{cite web|last=Coppin|first=Rhiannon|title=Vancouver Was Awesome: Where It All Began|url=http://vancouverisawesome.com/2011/01/26/vancouver-was-awesome-where-it-all-began/|publisher=The Awesome Media Network Inc|accessdate=11 March 2014}}</ref>
  2. In every other instance of the reference, use the code <ref name="unique reference identifier"/> (note the / - it's important!). You don't need anything else (no details of the reference, no closing tag). Anywhere you place the code <ref name="Coppin"/> in the text, it will generate a citation to the Coppin source.
Hope that helps! There's more information on this process at this section of the Help:Footnotes page. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:48, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Deletion

Hi Yunshui. The page on Arvind Mills has been deleted under reasons G12. The changes were in attempt to improve the content hence, website was referred for sighting the facts.Anganabanerjee — Preceding undated comment added 05:51, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

You cannot copy text into Wikipedia from other websites. However, since I was eventually able to find an earlier version of the page that was not a copyright violation, I have rolled the edits back to that point and restored the article. Please do not add copyrighted material from other sources to Wikipedia again. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:20, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Deletion training

Hi Yunshui, before tagging this article , what woud you tag this article for ? , It's a claim of gross misuse and namming it confusingly as a place in a district ? Shrikanthv (talk) 13:18, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

The PROD added by FiddleFaddle/TimTrent is probably the best solution; none of the CSD apply but it clearly isn't a suitable topic. If the PROD is removed I would expect it to be deleted via AFD. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:09, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

and also this what to do with this ? Shrikanthv (talk) 13:20, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

{{BLP sources}} would be the most obvious tag to use. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:09, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Block evasion

Hi, I've been having some difficulties with a contributor and have only just realised that they are probably evading an indef block that was applied by you. The history here begins with page creation by the indef'd user. Is a checkuser necessary? - Sitush (talk) 20:52, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

D'ya know, this is not the first time that I've spent a while looking at something, raised a concern and almost immediately realised that I've screwed it up. The talk was created by the now-blocked contributor but, of course, is an example of the vandalism that caused the block to be placed. My bad. Sorry for wasting your time. - Sitush (talk) 20:54, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Wow, that was easy. Wish everything that arrived on my talkpage was as simple to resolve - you're welcome here anytime! Yunshui 雲‍水 20:58, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you...

...for your help at UTRS. There were about 30 unanswered requests when I logged in!--Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 22:42, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it was looking a bit crowded. I'm afraid there were several that I had to leave, as I'd already been involved with their blocks. Noticed you ploughing through them as well - high-five for another cleared backlog! Yunshui 雲‍水 22:44, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
I think I closed all of the ones you had a conflict with. There are still four outstanding requests, but I'm burned out!--Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 23:06, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 12 March 2014

rowen Altenburger

You can't delete an article without an AFD --Nidcom (talk) 03:09, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

I think you'll find I can, as the article in question shows. Raise it at requests for undeletion if you have a problem with that. Yunshui 雲‍水 19:27, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Indic Coptics

Hi Yunshui, please refer to this Wikipedia:INDICSCRIPTS , how can we rewoke this atleast for certain aspects of indian wiki, its been really against senior editors from India who do not want this as they feel its lot of work and chances of fights , but i feel the articles would lack there charm without this , atleast for regions ! so where to go from here Shrikanthv (talk) 10:24, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Shrikanthv. A request for comment from a couple of years ago determined that there was no consensus to use anything other than IPA transliterations in the lead of articles. If you want to overturn that decision, you'll need to open a new RFC to establish a new consensus. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:22, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of article Malin Craig

Apparently on March 10 you deleted the article Malin Craig, citing "unambiguous copyright infringement". I can't view the page's old content myself, but the work referenced in the explanation appears to be a publication of the US Army Center of Military History which, as a work of the US government, is not copyrighted. --Lorpius Prime (talk) 04:23, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

I did wonder about that at the time, but it's unclear from the source whether the copyright resides with author or not. I'll ask some folk with more specialised knowledge of copyright issues - if it turns out that it is indeed usable, then mea culpa and I'll restore the article straight away. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:58, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
After taking advice, I've restored the page, but reverted it to an earlier version which doesn't contain the questionable text; please see Talk:Malin Craig for details. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:56, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Contesting for : Speedy deletion nomination of V. V. Ramana Murthy

Hi, Pls find the below weblinks noted about Mr. V. V. Ramana Murthy.I feel he needs to be listed in Wiki

1) http://www.thehindu.com/features/friday-review/music/percussionist-honoured/article2833972.ece 2) http://www.globaltimes.cn/DesktopModules/DnnForge%20-%20NewsArticles/Print.aspx?tabid=99&tabmoduleid=94&articleId=780197&moduleId=405&PortalID=0 3) http://www.hindu.com/mag/2010/02/28/stories/2010022850230500.htm 4) http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-features/tp-fridayreview/classical-extravaganza/article4172373.ece 5) http://www.thehindu.com/features/friday-review/music/there-was-hardly-any-music/article4221648.ece

Regards, Venkatesh Mridangam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Venkatesh mridangam (talk • contribs) 09:26, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

The last four are only passing mentions, and are useless for the purpose of establishing notability. However, the first article from The Hindu is promising; if you can find another couple like that then I'd have no objection to the article being recreated. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:59, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of The Little Ships page.

I am in the process of building a Wikipage for my new band which will feature several contribution from members of the Seattle music scene but you have deleted it before I could get around to writing the copy for it. Marvellous. Could you please undelete it so I can continue work?

Thank you Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.195.224 (talk) 13:58, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Mike. What are the reliable sources you intend to add in order to demonstrate that your band meets the inclusion requirements? There were none in the page I deleted. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:00, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Maybe if I'd had the chance to complete it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.195.224 (talk) 14:07, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Whilst we don't expect a page to be in a fully completed state when it's first posted, it does need to meet a minimum standard of sourcing and verifiability. If you can demonstrate that The Little Ships meet Wikipedia's inclusion requirements by providing a few reliable sources that provide significant coverage of the band, then I'll be happy to undelete it so you can continue. However, having had a look for sources myself, I've yet to locate anything that would indicate your band is a suitable topic for Wikipedia. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:12, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Ukraine template

Yunshui: Thank you for fixing that. I did not know how. Now I do. I also now know where to post such a problem again. Thanks.

I do think that the change to the template was intentional. the IP address of the user who made the change is in the Russian Federation. Given the current tensions, I expect to see more of changes like this. Paulmlieberman (talk) 17:51, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Possibly. It's on my watchlist now, so if there's any further jiggery-pokery I'll be able to take a look. Yunshui 雲‍水 20:23, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Book Cover Postnow's Strakh

Hi, Yunshui,

I am sorry to bother you again about that book cover for Postnow's Angst.

Could you help me with the protocol? I hate to have a link with the "deleted page" following the link. Am I allowed to upload so it somehow ends up on the same link? I will write an article about the book, like you suggested; but also—I suspect that there might not be copyright after all—the artist is a a couple hundred years old, and there is no copyright sign for the design on the book cover. I also reached out the author and the publisher. What do you recommend? I just do not want to have a page that leads nowhere. Thank you for your guidance. ZCB 135 ZCB135 (talk) 21:36, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

You make a good point (one I hadn't considered) - if the image on the cover is indeed in the public domain, then it's only the typography that could be subject to copyright, and since there's nothing terribly creative about the lettering, I can't see that it wouldn't be usable here. I'm going to ask my go-to guru for all things copyrighty to take a look and double check, but on reflection, I reckon it's probably okay to use, and will restore it momentarily. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:54, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you! 2

The Writer's Barnstar
A barnstar for you! Nahnah4 Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here! 07:25, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Not entirely sure what that's for (I've only written one article in the last couple of months), but thank you nonetheless. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:01, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Edits on claims

Hi Yunshui, how to go about edits which "I" think are controversial such as these, it seems its just claims and boosting how to deal with such things or can it be termed as wiki material ? Shrikanthv (talk) 07:26, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

and this too

I'm honestly not sure what the problem is with either of these - the first is a simple (and sensible) section reordering, the second is a short, neutrally-worded paragraph supported by sources. Are you sure you've provided the right diffs? Yunshui 雲‍水 08:13, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Apologise for the confusion, it was more about the content and it claims ? what to term them ? , Shrikanthv (talk) 08:33, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Could you be a bit more precise? I don't see any problems with the content; it is neutrally-worded, encyclopedic and well-sourced. Perhaps you could give me an example of exactly what you think is inappropriate? Yunshui 雲‍水 08:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


Its just political claims and just twisting of words from the word "few" to "several" , and using superlatives such as " highest" " biggest" , "super" ,can they be considered as a wiki material ? and how to act upon it ? Shrikanthv (talk) 07:30, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

I guess it depends on the sources - if something really is the "biggest" of its kind, there's no reason not to use that word. I see your point, there are a few unqualified descriptors like "extensive" or "significant" in there, although overall the text reads in a pretty balanced way. My suggestion would be to follow the BRD process - make a bold edit to remove the words you disagree with, and if someone reverts your changes, discuss it with them on the article's talkpage. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:10, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

What to do ?

Hi yunshui,

here is a article , I felt it is bit wierd interms of putting marriage picture and holiday pictures with daughter ! what to do with this ? Shrikanthv (talk) 07:27, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

The pictures are already flagged for deletion on Commons, so I wouldn't worry about them - they'll be removed sometime after tomorrow. If I were you, though, I'd give the text of the article a good going over - it's horrible, laden with promotional language, hyperbole and unsourced claims. The gentleman seems to be notable, but the page needs a lot of cleanup - do you fancy the job? Yunshui 雲‍水 08:06, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
I have re-edited it Yunshui please have a look Shrikanthv (talk) 09:46, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Pretty serious bit of pruning, but I can't fault it; the current version is - despite being about an eighth of the size - a big improvement. You may find that the content gets re-added; if so remember the BRD process I mentioned above, and don't get dragged into an edit war. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:22, 19 March 2014 (UTC)


Picture copyrights

Hi, We were wondering if we could put in a picture of our disease from a research article or if we need to get copyrights to use it. Thanks Awesomepossum12 (talk) 19:25, 18 March 2014 (UTC)awesomepossum12

The answer's probably no, but it depends very much on the image and where you get it from - if you can give me a link to the page where you've found the picture, I'd be happy to have a look and see whether it could be reused. Yunshui 雲‍水 20:22, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v38/n10/fig_tab/ng1876_F1.html Awesomepossum12 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 14:23, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Pretty certain that's not free; copyright will probably be owned by Macmillan, and they're unlikely to release it. Sorry, but I can't see any way you could use the image here. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:47, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

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Thanks for the feedback! -- Kangaroopowah 02:25, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Including images in Articles

I am running into issues finding any useful images on wiki commons for my article (user:syeager.93/draftproposal) on p type calcium channels. Ideally I would like to include this image http://www.nature.com/nrneurol/journal/v8/n2/fig_tab/nrneurol.2011.228_F1.html however I've read there are a lot of copyright issues on wikipedia. please advise. Syeager.93 (talk) 01:32, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Syeager. Copyright is indeed a big issue on Wikipedia. The fundamental problem is that Wikipedia's content is freely licenced - so anyone can reuse it for any purpose as long as they credit Wikipedia as the source. That means that anything copied into Wikipedia from somewhere else also has to be freely licenced - otherwise the originator of the image/text/whatever is saying, "you can't reuse this thing without paying me," whilst Wikipedia is saying, "hey, do whatever you want with this, no need to give us any money!" As you can imagine, that leads to legal problems...
With the specific image you've linked to: no, you can't use it here (Nature is part of the Macmillan Group, and the image is their intellectual property). However, given what it shows, I don't see a reason why you couldn't create your own image to illustrate the page - as long as it isn't too closely based on theirs, you would generate a new creative work which would be yours to do with as you wish - including licensing it for free reuse so that Wikipedia can use it. I'm assuming you know which elements of the image mean what (it might as well be in Sanskrit for all the sense I can make of it), so you should be able to come up with something that conveys the same information without looking the same. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:40, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Deleted articles

Dear, Yunshui

i recently posted about Colostrum Bone Protein and Calci Skim and you delete it. It is said that the article is containing unambiguous advertising or promotion

I'm not doing it for advertising of any kind of promotion of a product or a brand. I did it for my mid term exam this semester. I'm an sophomore student majoring informational system. So, please, can you undo the deletion?

Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Supadms (talk • contribs) 09:59, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I didn't delete the article on Colostrum Bone Protein (that was Lectonar), so you'd need to talk to him about that. The Calciskim article was deleted by me though, and for good reason - an unsourced page which does nothing but tout the advantages and health benefits of a product and offer serving suggestions does not belong on Wikipedia, period. If you can provide reliable medical sources for the claims made then I would be willing to at least restore the page to userspace for you to work on, but in it's previous form it was completely unacceptable. You would be better off starting a new page from scratch. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:26, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Unblock Account

117.223.99.87 (talk) 10:02, 21 March 2014 (UTC)I am User:Noormohammed satya. I have had placed an unblock appeal which was declined by you. Well I am only the user, if you do not believe, I may also give you my mail id or other personal details. As far as the question of multiple accounts arises, I created it as I forgot the password of another account and also want to state that one of the account was created before this account. I condemn you to take into consideration my unblock appeal and if required, I would also give details as required upon. I hope for the positive reply from you.

With this very message, you are evading your block. It is clear that you have not understood yet that you are not allowed to edit Wikipedia, including other users' talkpages, until the block is lifted. This applies to you the person, not to your User:Noormohammed satya account. I will not consider unblocking you until you are able to demonstrate that you are willing to abide by the rules here, and you're currently doing an excellent job of demonstrating that you will not. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:32, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 19 March 2014

Buttons

Hi 雲‍水,
Thanks for the message! Yeah, I know. I probably could have deleted it myself, but I guess I'm just a little bit worried someone might think, "admin deleting stuff in their own userspace: conspiracy! cabal! etc!" Plus, I value second opinions in any admin action.
(To be honest, when I got the message that my RfA had passed, I was kinda hoping that I would get a UI addition that included actual buttons. But that's just me.)
Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:40, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

If you want a more admin-friendly UI, I very much recommend installing User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/easyBlock.js; I use it on a daily basis. It gives you a handy Block option in the standard Move etc. dropdown menu, which makes dealing with problem users much easier. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:50, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

A simple question

Yunshui, I had posted about Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles on the Help Desk but no one replied that is why I am troubling you.The Wikiproject mentioned above is of great value to our Wiki .I want to know how can the stats on the project be updated and is there any Project Co-ordinator for the Project.--Skr15081997 (talk) 11:19, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Skr15081997. To be honest, I don't have anything to do with that project - your best bet might be to talk to Dr. Blofeld, who would know more about it than me. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:52, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

History of Ecology Course Question

Hello Yunshui, my name is Devon and I'm working on Olaus Murie's article as a part of my History of Ecology course. I am currently working on an outline showing how I intend to expand the article, which will serve as the lead section for the article. I was hoping you could provide me with a better sense of how specific or general I should be when writing about his expeditions and major findings within the lead section, as I know I will discuss them in greater detail later in article. Thanks for your help! Dcbru (talk) 20:08, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Dcbru. There's actually some "official" guidance on how to compose a lead section in Wikipedia's Manual of Style. In essence, the lead should be able to stand in as a substitute for the article in its entirety - if, hypothetically, the rest of the page disappeared, a reader should be able to understand who Murie was and what he did from the lead alone. Generally speaking, the lead summarises the rest of the article - as a rule of thumb, you should aim to condense the information in each subsequent section down to a couple of sentences, and knit these together into a coherent paragraph or two. As regards expeditions and major findings, it would be enough to write something along the lines of, "Murie undertook numerous expeditions into the North American wilderness, including a notable excursion to [insert notable expedition here], where he discovered [insert notable discovery]." You don't need to mention every expedition/discovery in the lead, just the most important one or two. There should be no information in the lead which doesn't also appear in the article body, and as a result, you don't usually need to cite sources in the lead paragraphs.
Hope that's helpful. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:02, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Marquette University/Neurobiology

Yunshui,

Hello there. We have been in communication about merging the current stubs Ligand Binding Assay and Ligand Binding Assays with our 'almost' live page (which will be titled, Ligand Binding Assay). Being said, we are ready to do the following two things and would appreciate any and all help that you can provide:

  • Merging the histories of the 2 stubs into our page. We included a request for merge but we are to have an administrator fulfill this task.
  • How do we make our page 'live'?

Thank you so much for your help! MU Senior2014 (talk) 00:01, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

All the fun stuff happens while I'm asleep... Anthony Appleyard has helpfully done this all for you already, history-merging your draft into the existing article Ligand binding assay and redirecting the Ligand binding assays page to the same place (in his evaluation, there was nothing there worth merging; I tend to agree). You might want to drop him a note to say thank-you; his talkpage is here. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:07, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Neutrality

hallo Yunshui,here is a wierd article, it claims numerous things like will break head if anybody tries to talk about dividing India !!... they are been in news for wrong reasons and the article uses this news to claim stuff how to deal with it ? or we just have to leave with it because it has some qoutes from newspapers ? Shrikanthv (talk) 10:35, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

The sourcing's pretty sound - remember, not liking something is never a reason for deleting it. You could perhaps tag it for cleanup - the grammar's a bit odd in places - but there's nothing actionable here from a deletion perspective. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:12, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Your re right, merey saying "wrong in news " is just a point of view I guess it has earned the right to live in wiki Shrikanthv (talk) 12:37, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

sayed mohamad bagher posaei

hi.please see my article revived.This is a famous person. Then put a link about it. Currently check revived.

ThanksMokhtar-saghafi (talk) 12:57, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

If Sayed Mohamad is notable by Wikipedia standards, then we can have an article about him. The page you submitted, however, contained only one source, which was a link to a book that he supposedly wrote - per the guidelines for inclusion of writers, simply having a book in print is not sufficient to get an article in Wikipedia. If you can provide multiple, reliable, independent sources containing in-depth coverage of the subject, then the page can be restored. Until then, however, there is nothing to indicate that Wikipedia needs an article about this person. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:08, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

YES., I put in the first time a couple of other sources., You can revitalize this article yet. ThanksMokhtar-saghafi (talk) 08:33, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to be blunt, but no, you didn't. At no point in its history has the page contained more than one source - this one. It is nowhere near sufficient to support an article. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:02, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

You can restore this article I'm 20 sourcesMokhtar-saghafi (talk) 16:58, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I give them about fifty cents., Please return the articleMokhtar-saghafi (talk) 13:01, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Tiresome

Hi Yunshui, whats the real difference making an article GA or a FA really the article about Sri aurobindo has been really tiresome! and meticulous Shrikanthv (talk) 14:33, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

The real difference? About three years and several mm Hg of blood pressure... I've never taken an article to FA status (I started with Morihei Ueshiba, but I've rather let it fall by the wayside). The FA process is, in my experience, far more demanding than GA, and usually needs a team of editors to get involved in making improvements. Basically, GA status says, "yeah, this pretty much meets all our standards", whilst FA status says, "this is one of the best articles out of fourteen-million-whatever-number-we're-up-to-now". It's quite a big jump. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:38, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi 水 , finally a GA ,was a hard days labour Shrikanthv (talk) 10:17, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Think will be going for the unthinkable Shrikanthv (talk) 10:18, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 26 March 2014

Tropical Ecology Outline

Hi Yunshui!

For Professor Stuhl's History of Ecology class, I have been conducting research on Tropical Ecology and intend to add much of my findings to the article's page, as it is currently quite bare. I have just finished writing an outline for my article, and I just had a quick question. I have essentially divided my outline into four sections: a working definition of tropical ecology, a brief history of the field and the works of the naturalists who contributed to its inception, an overview of the ecosystems and immense biodiversity that exist in the tropics, and a summary that describes ongoing conservation and management efforts in the tropics. Does this seem proper to you? I will be sure to make further divisions in the article as I continue with my writing, but, considering Professor Stuhl has limited us to four paragraphs on this assignment, does this seem like the right way to approach and loosely outline the writing that I will do for this article? Any advice would be much appreciated. Thank you!

Aleary1 (talk) 21:12, 24 March 2014 (UTC)Aidan Leary

Aleary1: That sounds like a very reasonable approach. I just took a look at the outline along these lines you posted to Talk:Tropical ecology, and I think you're on the right track. Nice work.--ragesoss (talk) 16:44, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Adirondack Park & Mountains Outline

I have working on an outline to contribute to the Adirondack Park and Adirondack Mountains pages and have reached a dilemma that I hope you can help resolve. Initially my goal was to add historical context in an ecological sense to both of these pages but am having issues with topics that run between the pages and how to differentiate what information should go on each page respectively. I was also considering adding to just one page, Adirondack Park because it seems to need the most attention in terms of historical background as well as a number of other corrections. Any advice you have regarding this issue would be greatly appreciated as well as whether you think I should turn my attention to one article over the other. Thank you in advance.

Dwk014 (talk) 22:17, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Dwk014: That does sounds like a tricky line to walk. My first thought for division of information would be along the lines of this: the natural history of the area would seem to fit better in Adirondack Mountains, which is fundamentally about a geological and geographical entity, while history connecting the ecosystem with human involvement would fit more in Adirondack Park, which is fundamentaly about a politically-defined park region. But there is also bound to be some overlapping information between the two, which is okay. (At some point, it might make sense to break off a separate article covering the ecology, which could then be linked to from the appropriate places in both articles.) As a start, I think your idea of just focusing on the Park article is good. Since you've familiarized yourself with both, you'll probably get a better idea of just what makes sense for covering in one article versus the other as you go.--ragesoss (talk) 16:52, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Bucknell History of Ecology Outline

Hi Yunshui, I am a member of the History of Ecology class at Bucknell University and am working on the review for Warder Clyde Allee's Wikipedia Page. I was wondering if you could take a look at the outline I have written for the lead section of this article. Any feedback, suggestions or corrections you have to offer are much appreciated!

Thanks, -Lizziewalters (talk) 02:26, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Warder Clyde Allee was born on June 5,1885 in Bloomingdale, Indiana and was an accomplished Zoologist and Ecologist. Allee is noted to be one of the great pioneers of American Ecology (Schmidt). He was best known and recognized for his research on social heavier, aggregations and distributions of animals in aquatic as well as terrestrial environments (Britannica). Allee was a former instructor at the University of Chicago where he wrote over 200 research papers and published more than a dozen books. His most notable book being, Principles of Animal Ecology (Britannica), which was published in December of 1949. Allee dedicated his life to Biological work and remained active in the field until his death on March 18, 1955 at the age of 70 in Gainsville, Florida.

Allee attended Earlham College and upon his graduation in 1908, Clyde Allee pursued advanced studies at the University of Chicago where he received his PhD and graduated summa cum laude in 1912 (Schmidt) During his last two years of graduate work at the University of Chicago, Clyde Allee began his teaching career as the Assistant of the Department of Zoology. This began the journey of Allee’s teaching career resulting in thirty years tenure at the University of Chicago from 1921-1950 (Schmidt). Warder Clyde Allee brought his teaching skills to many other institutions including the University of Illinois, Williams College, University of Oklahoma, and Lake Forest College. Warder Clyde Allee was strongly influenced by Frank R. Lillie, head of the Department of Zoology at the University of Chicago and one of the founders of the Marine Biological Laboratory in Woods Hole, MA (Schmidt). Warder Clyde Allee gained interest in the interactions and patterns of the distribution of marine mammals during his time as an instructor at the Marine Biological Laboratory at Woods Hole in Massachusetts from 1914-1921.

In 1923, Warder Clyde Allee began to write a series of papers entitled, Animal Aggregations. Eight years later, he published his findings in a book under the same name. The results of Clyde Allee’s research demonstrated the existence of an unconscious drive within species for fellow individuals of the same species. This research helped to prove that under crowding was detrimental to some animals. Allee’s research also helped to describe protocooperation, where two species interact with one another in a beneficial way that is not essential to the survival of either organism.

Clyde Allee remained active in the field of Biology throughout his life taking over as managing editor of the journal, Physiological Zoology in 1957. He also chaired the Committee of Ecology of Animal Populations of National Research Council, named fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 1950 and was a trustee for the Marine Biological Laboratory from 1932 until his death in 1955.

Lizziewalters: In broad strokes, this looks like the right kind of outline for a biography. Be sure to take a look at some other scientist biography articles to see how the very beginning of article is expected to look. (The entire lead section should be a concise summary of the article, while the begging of the lead section is an even more concise summary, highlighting the most important things you'd want a reader to know if they were going to stop after one paragraph, and the first sentence can be thought of almost like a dictionary definition of the topic of the article.) There must be a mistake in either the date of death (1955) or the date he took over as editor of Physiological Zoology (1957).--ragesoss (talk) 16:59, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Bucknell Outline Questions

Hi Yunshui, I am working on the G. Evelyn Hutchinson article. It is not a well developed article, with only one sentence as the introduction. As I am researching I have found a plethora of information about his life and his advances in many fields of ecology. My question is how much I should add to the page. I have been considering either adding to all the sections smaller bits of information, or adding more information to just one or two sections. Any advice on how you think I should handle this is greatly appreciated. MackenzieGlaze (talk) 04:19, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

MackenzieGlaze: My recommendation would be to spread your work out so that the article ends up as a pretty well-rounded overview of Hutchinson, instead of seeming like a half-finished article that only goes into detail about one aspect of his life. You also don't need to accept the current organization in terms of sections; it's often useful to break up biographies into sections about major periods in the subject's life, and sometimes with additional sections about their influence/legacy. Since I'm guessing that some of your sources go into detail about both his life and legacy, that might make sense for this article.--ragesoss (talk) 17:03, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Arctic Ecology outline

Hi Yunshui, I have been working with User:Waggers/sandpit/mention on an outline for the Arctic Ecology page for Prof. Stuhl's History of Ecology class, and we plan to have it finalized soon. So far, this is what we have:

In the 1940’s, the shifting image of the Arctic as an unfamiliar and ecologically unique place with inconclusive evidence of population cycles that scientists wished to study, to an environment that was fragile as a result of its lack of diversity. Scientists performed fieldwork to collect data that linked new observations to prior widely accepted knowledge. Through the processes of soil sampling, surveying and photographing landscapes and distributing fish tags, scientists demonstrated the significance of historical case studies in the study of environmental science. The ability to compare past and present data allowed scientists to understand the causes and effects of ecological changes. Post World War II, study and management of the Artic was taken over by consulting firms that sought to benefit the government. The 1970’s brought a decrease in the desire to protect the Arctic as it was seen to lack a significant amount of biodiversity.

As the Northern ecosystems, including the arctic, boreal forest and northern bogs contain 25% of the world’s carbon pools, a positive feedback loop occurring in the Arctic is largely involved in climate change. As the permafrost melts due to warming global temperatures, the carbon stored within the permafrost is released and further induces climatic changes. Also, higher temperatures increase soil decomposition and if soil decomposition becomes higher than net primary production, global atmospheric carbon dioxide will in turn increase. Atmospheric sinks in the water table are also being reduced as the permafrost melts and decreases the height of the water table in the Arctic.

Throughout history, indigenous people have thrived in the Arctic despite its harsh conditions, and their lifestyles are based on a combination of economic and cultural values. Subsistence hunting is a prevalent aspect of the society of the indigenous Arctic people and it is done not only out of necessity but also for cultural reasons. Industrial uses of the region’s resources, such as fishing and mining, are also pursued extensively by the region’s inhabitants. The region’s people depend substantially on the environment and resources of the Arctic, so climate change is especially concerning regarding their sustainability.

The Arctic region features a vast range of organisms, each of which have their own specific roles in the environment. Vegetation in the Arctic includes various sedges and cottongrass among other species. Common animals found here include the moose, reindeer, various marmots, wolves, and others. Organisms are divided among various subregions within the Arctic based on differing biotic and abiotic factors. All organisms in the region have adapted to withstand the region’s overall harsh conditions.

This is the basis of our outline, but we plan to edit it further soon. Do you have any comments or suggestions about it so far?

Your help is greatly appreciated! Thank you, Jjt022 (talk) 05:29, 25 March 2014 (UTC)Jjt022 Joe Tull

Jjt022 and Eeb017: The organization of this outline is a little unclear, from my perspective. It starts out jumping straight into the history of scientific studies of / thinking about arctic ecology, then covers the changes that are currently thought to be happening (related primarily to climate change), then the history and current status of human use of the arctic, and then plants and animals of the region. A lot of this is already covered by other articles, particularly Arctic and some of the related articles linked to in particular sections, such as Climate of the Arctic and Climate change in the Arctic. The best approach to make sure your work isn't duplicating what's already there might be to focus in on arctic ecology as a scientific discpline — especially by developing the types of things you've started to outline in your first paragraph.--ragesoss (talk) 17:19, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
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