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Discussion on deletion

I know this isn't really my article or anything, but its well-written and completely getting to a starting point where it has enough information! In about the next month, it will have more sources, charts, and information to go around! It shouldn't be a problem when I'm on Wikipedia and I see all these new albums that are coming out later in the year and they barely have information to begin with! This article has a decent amout of sources and information to start off with, but tell me this, what is the real problem? The Smell of Magic 01:13, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unapologetic or Side Effects

The article is listed as the former, but the lead cites it as the latter, which is it? AARON• ^TALK 16:33, 11 October 2012 (UTC) It is Unapologetic --PidiContent (talk) 16:35, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Artwork sources

AARON• ^TALK 16:37, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is this tracklist official?

Is this the official tracklist?

1. Diamonds 2. I Just Want To Be Found 3. What's Love Without A Tragedy 4. Isis 5. Life Is Beautiful 6. In Media Res 7. I Want You To Say 8. Heart Break 9. Go Harder Than My Nani 10. My Navy 11. Love Numb 12. I'm A Roc Girl 13. Love Now 14. Complete Woman 15. Petals 16. Jah — Preceding unsigned comment added by PidiContent (talk • contribs) 14:08, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Of course not, where is the source? — Tomíca^(T2ME) 14:46, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I highly doubt there would be a song "My Navy". That sounds too ridiculous to be real (aside from Tommy's point).--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 20:43, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Of course not. It was invented by a member of the navy of course, the whole track listing. :) — Tomíca^(T2ME) 20:46, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unapologetic Release Date

wasn't Unapologetic supposed to be released on November 19th, 2012 worldwide? :/ why does this page show different release days for the album? even on rihanna's twitter the background says 11/19/12 Worldwide — Preceding unsigned comment added by PidiContent (talk • contribs) 14:42, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you see the links in the release history table, you should notice in certain territories it will be released on November 16, 2012, and on Wikipedia we always use the first release date. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 15:28, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Release date

In Sweden release date changed from 16 to 21 November (so first release date is November 19, 2012) http://cdon.se/musik/rihanna/unapologetic_-_deluxe_explicit_(cd%2bdvd)-21556914 . 83.4.131.232 (talk) 18:31, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Kanye on Jump?

is he in the writing credits? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Born2booze09 (talk • contribs) 23:04, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It totally sounds like Yeezy to me (albeit with his voice altered) but at first I didn't even recognize him. Though I think it is Kanye, there's no current source to confirm it. And he's not listed on the tracklist so even if it is him, he may not be an official feature and may only be providing uncredited vocals. The album just leaked so lots of info will be flooding in, no reason to add uncredited stuff currently. But yeah, that's Kanye. Bruce Campbell (talk) 23:15, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OMG it leaked. Can you give me link where I can hear the album?:) — Tomíca^(T2ME) 23:18, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Found it on Atrilli.net. It's really good. Bruce Campbell (talk) 23:25, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Guys, it's A$AP Rocky. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.55.109.152 (talk) 05:21, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

At this point I need a source just so I dont lose my mind... Bruce Campbell (talk) 17:15, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you ask me, it's Kanye :) ! But, still it's not officially credited. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 17:25, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

it's Kevin Cossum — Preceding unsigned comment added by Born2booze09 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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numb samples can't tell me nothing, and the citation for that is on jump... it's all sorts of wrong

74.76.204.131 (talk) 17:55, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ⋘HueSatLum ? ❢⋙ 17:21, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Songwriter Credit

Yesterday Rihanna's website posted the album credits that do differ from the booklet. Including Rihanna as a writer for 12 of the 15 songs. [1] The site says that the credits are updated from the booklet, so should the credits from the site be used or the booklet? Seth71 (talk) 01:44, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The ones with the album booklet. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 13:21, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty odd, whichever's incorrect. You'd expect a high-profile release to be more tidy about stuff like this. Perhaps make a note at the bottom of the track listing template that the website credits Rihanna on tracks so-and-so? Dan56 (talk) 13:27, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is a note already. The booklet is fucked up, probably they will correct in the later publishing. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 13:31, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are the producers for track 3 actually credited with "@"'s in the booklet? Dan56 (talk) 13:40, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Awkward, I know. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 13:42, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Official and Digital booklet should be the only source. Her fansite/website is not as reliable as BMI and or the booklet, so for now, the Booklet and the Digital Booklet, along with BMI, should be the only credible sources. 74.67.47.245 (talk) 19:54, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How can her official site rihannanow.com not be reliable? The fact is that the booklet is wrong and has certain issues, the website has the right credits. Adele didn't write "Half of Me", it was Adele Emely Sande, however, the booklet lists Adele separately. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 22:18, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This proves that they messed up the booklet, the only good source then is her website.--(CA)Giacobbe (talk) 23:35, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Metacritic

I strongly feel that the opening should say "generally favorable reviews from music critics" instead of "mixed". I've had this discussion with User:Fidelove but they seem intent on putting mixed even though I have explained to them that the "grade" on Metacritic states that it indicated "generally favorable reviews" I have agreed with them that it isn't a perfectly reviewed album and that is why I put how critics felt the album was rushed. For now, the album should say the album received generally favorable reviews if that is what Metacritic says, no? And if the user is intent on changing the opening, then they should at least change the Critical Reception section, which would be vandalism anyway because the source does not agree with this. Iluvrihanna24 (talk) 10:37, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Tomica for sorting that situation out as I didn't want to violate my editing restrictions. Iluvrihanna24 (talk) 11:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are other news sources that verify "mixed" (Caribbean360 [2], Digital Spy [3], Chicago Tribune [4], AnyDecentMusic? [5]), but any statement in the lead about the reception might be premature. While Metacritic does show more mixed reviews than either negative or positive, they weigh different publications differently in their scores, and it's also early, so it would be incomplete if more reviews were to come. As of now, though, this should suffice. Dan56 (talk) 18:04, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Album Artwork Controversy

there should be a section in the article surrounding the album cover and the "uncensored version" going around the internet — Preceding unsigned comment added by Distortiondude (talk • contribs) 03:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Chart Debut in Australia

Unapologetic debuted this week at No. 8 on the Official ARIA Chart (link: http://www.ariacharts.com.au/chart/albums/370 ) and at No. 1 on the Urban Chart (link: http://www.ariacharts.com.au/chart/urban-albums/367 ) I would add the data myself although I'm not exactly sure how. 58.165.62.140 (talk) 05:36, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unapologetic? Let's "Pon De Replay".

This may not get a Wiki edit at all, but for those out there looking for a point on what this lucky seven effort by an artist who tells us she has been unapologetic throughout her whole music career, then read on. Seven albums in a span of 8 years, an in and out relationship with every high profile man, acting in film, near-constant working herself to death, tweets back and forth, abandoning her record company bosses, smoking like a train, getting hospitalized, and still she goes right back into all of this. Year after year, and so far..... She deems herself unapologetic. Just like James Brown's slogan, only.... The Hardest Working Woman In Show Business. Fortunately, she's only 24 years old. To mainly, everybody she's touched in her life: Her fans should not feel guilty to be a huge fan of hers. She can't undo seven albums in eight years. She has been smoking behind closed doors. She continues to sing, dance and party. Now she returns back to arms that she longs for, those same ones that injured her. In short, this album tells us that Rihanna is unapologetic for "everything Rihanna". She's charged with even contemplating her music career to go in this direction. Guilty, but we can't punish her! She's cray cray. Signed, a Rihanna fan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.233.133.208 (talk) 20:14, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Songs" section

It needs to be rewritten. The same discussion was had with Christina Aguilera's Lotus. This section of The Emancipation of Mimi is described as an example of an appropriate "Songs" section, and in fact contributes to the good article status. May it be noted that it is included under a "Composition" heading, not "Music and lyrics". "Composition" describes the album's make-up as a whole, where "Songs and lyrics" describes each song's individual composition. The "Songs" section seen in Unapologetic is mainly nothing more than a gathering of quotes from other track-by-track reviews, and is just not formatted the way a Wikipedia article should be. Instead, it should consist of a more detailed description of styles and techniques presented in each song. 68DANNY2 (talk) 21:57, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Someone with the same preference changed that article long after it passed GAN, which was on July 18, 2011 (see "article milestones" at the top of Talk:The Emancipation of Mimi). Apparantely, it was nominated and passed with the section heading "Music and lyrics". Dont get "songs and lyrics", as if theyre two distinct aspects; wouldnt it be "music and lyrics" making up a song? Either way, according to WP:MOS: "Style and formatting choices should be consistent within an article, though not necessarily throughout Wikipedia as a whole. Where MOS makes provision for more than one style option, editors should not change an article from one of those options to another without a substantial reason ... If discussion cannot determine which style to use in an article, defer to the style used by the first major contributor." Dan56 (talk) 01:39, 28 November 2012 (UTC)\[reply]

Writing Credits

As much as I hate to admit it, Rihanna did not write or co-write any of these songs. She is not credited at all for any writing credits on the album footnotes, which is the best source we (wikipedia) can provide. Her label would have added her onto the credits on her website to make it appear as though she contributed the way she ACTUALLY did on Rated R and Talk That Talk. This needs to be discussed and reconfigured.

Pour It Up as second single?

Is Pour It Up the second single from the album? Look at Rihanna's tweet: https://twitter.com/rihanna/status/273917531968917504 --PidiContent (talk) 16:14, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's just a fan-made artwork. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.126.59.201 (talk) 05:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How can it be a fan-made artwork if it was relased on rihanna's official twitter account? Anyway, the second single is Stay --PidiContent (talk) 23:34, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is fake, Rihanna Daily posted the picture on Instagram stating a fan created it. Please wait for official confirmation about the next single. Sticky&Sweet12 (talk) 02:32, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 3 December 2012

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Mikey Mike is also a producer on "Jump." He was left out of the physical booklet due to "lack of time to proof credits" on Def Jam's part. This is proven in the itunes version, where they updated the credit mistakes and his name is listed as producer along with Stargate and Chase n Status. His full name is Michael Brennan Williams, not to be confused with the other Mike Williams on the album(Mike Will Made It). 98.192.196.41 (talk) 03:00, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The digital booklet, provided by iTunes, and which I own, does include Mikey Mike. But, Rihanna reported mistakes on both booklets and the corrected credits are posted on her site. Here: [6] you can see the corrected credits, which does not include Mikey Mike. — ΛΧΣ21™ 03:12, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pour It Up

It is the second single - Rihanna herself posted it on Instagram — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unapologeticwarrior2012 (talk • contribs) 22:18, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't make it a single. We need a release date or confirmation from the label/singer its a single. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 22:24, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pour It Up & Stay, which is the next single?

According to most reliable websites and Rihanna herself (who posted the single artwork on her Instagram), "Pour it Up" is the next single. This is the only website that says "Stay" is, where did anyone hear that? Which one is the single?

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+== Pour It Up & Stay, which is the next single? ==
+According to most reliable websites and Rihanna herself (who posted the single artwork on her Instagram), "Pour it Up" is the next single. This is the only website that says "Stay" is, where did anyone hear that? Which one is the single?