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Swaraj (J) Party

I don't know what to do with this:

• Swaraj (J) Party

See also:

• http://global.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/576338/Swaraj-Party
• Swaraj Party

Thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:13, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

• Namaste, Anna Frodesiak, and welcome back to WikiProject India noticeboard. Sorry, it took us a long time to respond here. What I can understand, this is a new political party (not directly related to Swaraj Party). The J might be the first letter of their leader's name Jata Shankar Tripathi. I have checked in Google.com and Google India, but have not found any major source. In my opinion, its notability is not clear, and if AFD-ed, I'll suggest it to merge with Jan Lokpal Bill. Thank you. Tito☸Dutta 08:02, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Namaste. No worries on the long time. No time pressure here at Wikipedia. :) Thanks for the feedback and action. We'll see where it ends up. Best wishes, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:57, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Professor Gautam Chatterjee

Hello, India experts. The references in this old Afc submission are not on line. Is this a notable person, and should the article be kept? It will soon be deleted as a stale draft. —Anne Delong (talk) 06:23, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Anne, I think the person is notable. Works of this person has been published in multiple regional newspapers in India. Including The Hindu, Pioneer, and more. Antara is a famous play in urban areas of WestBengal. No doubt the article need some work. But if you ask me then my answer will be Keep. Jim Cartar (talk) 12:31, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I see that you have been fixing up the article. By editing it you have postponed its deletion for six months, which should be plenty of time to add some more inline citations and remove some promotional language. Thanks for your help. —Anne Delong (talk) 12:43, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Welcome. Jim Cartar (talk) 13:07, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Articles for creation/Three Rivers of Tears

Dear India experts: Another old Afc submission that needs another look. Is this a notable topic, and are the sources reliable? —Anne Delong (talk) 17:57, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

• Namaste Anne Delong, and welcome to WikiProject India noticeboard. I am not sure about its notability. I have checked Google.com and Google India. Now let's check against WP:BKCRIT

WP:BKCRIT
Criteria number	Criteria in brief	Status
1	The book has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works...	✗ Fail
2	The book has won a major literary award.	✗ Fail
3	The book has been considered by reliable sources to have made a significant contribution to a significant motion picture, or other art form, or event or political or religious movement.	✗ Fail
4	The book is the subject of instruction at multiple grade schools, high schools, universities or post-graduate programs in any particular country.	✗ Fail
5	Book's author historically significant etc	✗ Fail

So in my opinion, the article does not pass Wikipedia notability requirements.
Your second question is— "are the sources reliable". Let's discuss one by one.

Inline source number	Source URL	Comment
Sources as in this version
1	Link	The Hindu is of course a notable and reliable source. Note, this is the only reliable source I have found on the book. But, the article is not on the book, it discusses the book in only few sentences. So, does not add much to notability.
2	Link	An alumni journal, it seems the author is an alumnus of that institution. They have published an interview of the authors. Yes, that discusses the novel in details. But, that's not a good secondary reliable source.
3	Link	Useless source. Author's profile in a book publisher's website.
4	Link	The site is a reliable one, but it is an event notification/advertisement.
5	Link	The book itself. Reliable or unreliable— not applicable
6	Link	Slow net, I could not watch the video. But it does not seem to be on the book. The video might be a copyvio.
7	Link	Of course, The Hindu is reliable. But the source has nothing on the book or the author.

These are my opinion. See if these help. Let us know if you have any question or comment. Thanks for visiting WikiProject India noticeboard. Tito☸Dutta 08:34, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to check this out. It's gone now. —Anne Delong (talk) 21:29, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Request on Reward Board

I'm soliciting ribbon alternatives for both the India Star and the India Barnstar of National Merit. I'd be glad to see input from WikiProject India on the design. Chris Troutman (talk) 06:59, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• Namaste and welcome to WikiProject India noticeboard. The original India star file is too small. I have gone ahead and created one for now File:India_Barnstar_ribbon.png. If you mention the changes or design idea, those may be done. Tito☸Dutta 07:49, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

It could just use the flag without a star. The National Merit one could be differentiated by a gold fringe or something, instead. The modest barnstar ribbons are simple examples of the texture involved. —PC-XT+ 03:39, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Kumari Kandam sourcing & pov issues

Kumari Kandam (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been heavily rewritten. It appears to me that the editor doesn't understand our sourcing policy, the section on evidence supporting the existence of Kumari Kandam is at least to some extent original research, with sources not discussing the subject.It's got some dubious sources, eg Kumari Kandam Allathu Kadal Konda ThenNaadu(Kumari Continent or the Submerged Southern Country), 1941, K.AppaDurai and The International Society for the Investigation of Ancient Civilizations was founded in 1979 by Dr. R.P. Anjard and Dr. N. Mahalingam (used in two other articles - is it an RS? It seems to be the source of an odd map of India.[1]. Then there are claims such as "The language spoken by Australian tribes, African tribes, Andaman and Nicobar tribes and Lakshadweep tribes are identical to Tamil language. So, there are high possibilities that there might be a connecting land which exists in between India, Australia and Madagascar" sourced to the K.Appadurai mentioned above, Viyakkavaikkum Tamilar Ariviyal(Amazing science of Tamil people), Maathalai Somu, and Linguistics research books of Ma.So.Victor. There are other dubious sources and external links, and the article is now pretty biassed in favor of the reality of Kumari Kandam. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 12:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Your comment gives an wrong perception to others as if all the references are wrong. Please list down what are all references which needs to be corrected. I revisited the references once again and I found only the below two references needs to be changed.

# International Society For The Investigation Of Ancient Civilizations, Editor N. Mahalingam

# Linguistics research books of Ma.So.Victor

As an Admin, guide me in this...

The article is not trying to prove that Kumari Kandam is real...The article speaks about the data which supports the claims of existence of Kumari Kandam along with their references from researchers...And nowhere else, it is mentioned that Kumari Kandam is real/exists...--Maverick (talk) 13:38, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I replied at the article talk page but I'll note that I found a very interesting paper by Professor Sumathi Ramaswamy[2] [3], "History at Land's End: Lemuria in Tamil Spatial Fables" in the Journal of Asian Studies which is available as a pdf.[4] Dougweller (talk) 16:47, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Adimo

Looks to me like this new article is based on a forgery, the Ezourvedam. Anyone specialized in this area? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:22, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Wendy O'Flaherty Book

Can some Hinduism and Indian news experts please take a look at both The Hindus: An Alternative History and Talk: The Hindus: An Alternative History, in particular the use of the word "heretical." Thank you. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:52, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

PS Please also see Wendy Doniger. They are also describing me as functioning like a "Hindu nationalist." That's a new one. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:03, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Weblokam reliability

Is Weblokam likely to be a reliable source? It isn't even rendering properly on my PC, despite having the correct fonts installed. - Sitush (talk) 13:09, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Why does clicking on http://www.weblokam.com lead to http://malayalam.webdunia.com/ ? And is the webdunia club blacklisted/spam? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 14:48, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

@Dharmadhyaksha:, No idea but it doesn't look great, does it? I could take the issue to WP:RSN but I'm dubious about getting much input there because of it being a non-English source. - Sitush (talk) 17:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

TFAI Needs Worldwide View

Today's article for improvement is Reconnaissance satellite, which is currently tagged with {{globalize}}. According to {{Rest of the World Reconnaissance Satellites}}, India has 7 recon satellites, but as yet the page has no material regarding India's program. Perhaps the editors on this page would be interested in taking a crack at adding some material related to this? 0x0077BE [^talk/_contrib] 14:34, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Sagar/Sagara, Karnataka RM

It has been proposed to move Sagara, Karnataka to Sagar, Karnataka. Your participation in the discussion would be appreciated. --BDD (talk) 19:54, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

This draft needs Review

Is there any AfC reviewer who can review this draft which is related to Indian History The Early Nationalists of India (Moderates).

Note to the Reviewer: Please review if you have good knowledge of Indian History. And please notify me before you start reviewing. Jim Cartar (talk) 17:11, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

There are big problems with it. This is not a reliable source, nor is this or this. I've got doubts about the source published by Morning Star Publishers also. I'm even struggling to find that many decent sources that refer to them as "Early Nationalist" rather than "early nationalist", which have very different meanings; similarly for "Moderates" vs "moderates".

There are numerous other issues but my bet is most of those could be resolved if only the sourcing was up to scratch. It is pointless listing them when removing the above sources will results in an incoherent shell anyway.

I can review on the AfC itself if you want but you won't like the outcome, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 17:49, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

@Sitush: please add your comments to the submission for the benefit of future reviewers. Thanks. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:32, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

@Davidwr:, I've no idea why but the {{afc comment}} is barfing. I've tried umpteen times, tweaking various things through Preview. Might it be unhappy about links in the rationale? I've just saved it complete with the error for now, hoping someone can fix it. - Sitush (talk) 23:59, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

• That needed a 1=. Your have written the best points. Tito☸Dutta 00:06, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

@Sitush I need some time to fix the problems. Jim Cartar (talk) 06:17, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Telangana-related

Seemandhra seriously could do would some more watchers and a quick-cleanup amid this current fiasco. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 20:52, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

On second thought, it's just like any of our other typical badly-written pages on Indian local places and regions. But in any case, more eyes are needed, judging by the flurry of activity of IPs and new accounts since this place isn't even officially formed yet. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 19:18, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

History of Hinduism

Could someone interfere here? I'm at two reverts for today; one strike in my whole career is enough. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:25, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

• Namaste and welcome back to WikiProject India noticeboard. I have reverted the edit (yes you have noticed it already ), if they add back again, edit warring noticeboard should be the destination. I'll watch the article. Tito☸Dutta 11:34, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I've been watching it also and am concerned about that editor. Dougweller (talk) 12:37, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. I've posted a message on his (I guess "it" is a male) talkpage; looks like this editor is a Tamil, who wants a broader perspective on the history of Hinduism included at this page. Interesting. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:28, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Kush/Mountain articles

Members of this WikiProject may be interested in a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography#Kush/Mountain articles. Cnilep (talk) 07:40, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/K Ravindra

Dear India experts: Here's another if those abandoned Afc submissions. The article has a list of sources, but they are not on line. Is this a notable artist, and should the article be kept? —Anne Delong (talk) 13:15, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

• Namaste and welcome back to WikiProject India noticeboard. Personally I feel the submission does not pass WP:GNG criteria and it is like an advertisement. --Tito☸Dutta 03:50, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

• I was willing to rewrite the NPOV problem, but since you say it is also non-notable I will leave it along and let it be deleted. Thank you for the analysis. —Anne Delong (talk) 05:07, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

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AfC submission

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Early Nationalists of India (Moderates). FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 13:22, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

• Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lucknow Municipal Corporation. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 19:47, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Category:Luso-Indian

Category:Luso-Indian, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:41, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Maharashtriya Jnanakosha

Maharashtriya Jnanakosha was apparently compiled from 1920 with the aim of being a Marathi equivalent to Encyclopaedia Britannica. I hate tertiary sources such as this at the best of times, and I'm always very wary of Raj era sources, but the MJ also appears to have very few mentions in other scholarly works. Is it reliable for caste-related subject matter, including the history of such communities? - Sitush (talk) 19:06, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Whats wrong with "Raj era" sources? I will dig out some stuff on MJ if available in Marathi. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 17:13, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Pseudo-history, overly influenced by Brahmins, mixing of folklore with fact, amateur (though probably not this guy) and so on. Dammit, there are huge chunks of people even in India who think the Raj era produced bad reference works (although I'll admit that they tend to change their mind selectively, depending on whether it makes them/their community etc look good or not). The general rule is that we do not use this sort of stuff because it is mostly crap. I'm asking whether this might be an exception to that rule. A couple of key things regarding MJ are (a) whether peer-reviewed sources cite it and (b) whether it cites sources itself. - Sitush (talk) 17:18, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Okay! The books have been referenced in some other books. But i couldn't find any criticism yet on the actual volume as such, pro or against. So i have no answer for your point a above. For the point b; the volume does cite sources at the end of every article, although they are not inline as we do here. (Did the then versions of Encyclopædia Britannica use inline citations? I read around that EB was the only encyclopedia for Ketkar to actually base his version on. Other volumes in other Indian languages were being worked on independently and remotely but there was no way he could have used those, if they at all they existed in usable form. Thats just for the "format" he presented.) Coming back to citing sources, for example, this entry of "Egypt" has at the end listed some references, which are translated and stated below.

Citations...
G. Ebers "Egypt: Descriptive, Historical and Picturesque" Translator - Clara Bell, 2 Parts, London 1887 Birch "Egypt from the Earliest Times to B. C. 300" Kelly "Egypt Painted and Described" A B Edwards "A Thousand Miles Up the Nile", London 1889 Edwards "Pharaohs, Fellahs and Explorers, London 1892 "Modern Geography of Egypt", London 1902 Ward "Pyramids and Progress", 1900

And there are 50 something more references listed there. But not all entries have references listed at the bottom. For example this small entry of Eton has none. (Our article is at Eton, Berkshire.) In your search, do try looking for alternate spellings like "Maharashtriya Dnyanakosha". §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 04:48, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Edits for Dowry system in India

I’m a student revising the Dowry system in India page. I have a few suggestions for improving the article. First, I will revise and organize the "Introduction" and "Prevalence" sections. I'm hoping that this will bring these sections up to Wikipedia standards and clarify the direction the article will take. Second, I will add sections on "History", "Social factors", and "Economic factors". This will ensure that the issue is covered in a holistic view. These sections are relevant to how the dowry system has evolved and become a traditional part of marriage in some parts of India. Last, I will rewrite the "Domestic violence" section into specific subsections including "Murder", "Violence and abuse", "Suicide", and "Mental health". I believe this covers important information regarding women's rights and capabilities. These sections are also important for realizing the implications for women, and ultimately India's future.

I am not sure if these are the best way to divide the information on the page, and am looking for advice on how to organize the material needed to make this article better. I am especially conflicted regarding organization on the "Domestic violence" section. Please let me know if you have comments or suggestions that would aid in this article being better represented on Wikipedia. Thanks!

AllyBremer (talk) 02:39, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

@AllyBremer: Namaste and welcome to WikiProject India noticeboard. Your plan on format looks good. Carry on with it. For further discussions on the topic or the presentation or the content or anything, lets everyone take it to Talk:Dowry system in India where the same post is present. Its just easy for further references to keep discussions there. You can always return back here if you need more audience. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 04:57, 27 February 2014 (UTC)