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Noah Pawlowski

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Non-notable, fails the tests at WP:NFOOTY. ukexpat (talk) 14:40, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. J04n(talk page) 16:13, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. J04n(talk page) 16:13, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: In regard to the proposed deletion of Noah Pawlowski because of failure on WP:NFOOTY. He is not a professional footballer and rather his inclusions would fall under the category of WP:NCOLLATH, in particular #1. He was awarded the top Canadian university honour for goalkeeping, that is a national award and so it seems like a clear point for inclusion, additionally he has been "the subject of non-trivial media coverage beyond merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other", for example.--YouCallThisClean? (talk) 21:30, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:40, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:40, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 13:26, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - He hasn't played in a Fully professional league and he doesn't have any senior international caps either therefore he fails WP:NFOOTBALL. IJA (talk) 15:45, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

He isn't being listed as a professional athlete, rather as an Amateur Sports Person who has won a national award and who has received non trivial news coverage. This qualifies the entry as notable based on WP:NCOLLATH--YouCallThisClean? (talk) 07:56, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Passes WP:NCOLLATH as has been awarded all-Canadian status. NCOLLATH suggests awards and similar to those found here are sufficient. All-Canadian football team would appear to be the equivalent to College Football All-America Team. Needs expanding to show WP:GNG in a wider context not deleting. @GiantSnowman: and @IJA: may want to revisit their opinions as WP:NFOOTY is not relevant in this context. Fenix down (talk) 10:30, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@YouCallThisClean?: @Fenix down: - NCOLLATH states "College athletes and coaches are notable if they have been the subject of non-trivial media coverage beyond merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage" which I don't see here, regardless of whatever college-level award they have been given. Giant Snowman 13:24, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Has he won anything? The article only says nominated. IJA (talk) 14:44, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As the source clearly states: Pawlowski is the only goalkeeper named to the CIS First Team All-Canadian list. This is sufficient per NCOLLATH for notability as winning a national award to my mind. Fenix down (talk) 14:52, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Again, "College athletes and coaches are notable if they have been the subject of non-trivial media coverage" - where is that with this individual? Giant Snowman 17:53, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Simple logic will tell you that, if there are no substitutes named in a football-related list (which there aren't here), there can be only one goalkeeper named. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 22:56, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman: Take a look at reference 2 on the Noah Pawlowski page. It clearly qualifies as non-trivial media coverage, ie "beyond merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other".--YouCallThisClean? (talk) 01:59, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Err no it's not, it's incredibly WP:ROUTINE and also from a non-WP:RS to boot. Also your ping didn't work. Giant Snowman 08:04, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the the text of WP:NCOLLATH College athletes and coaches are notable if they have been the subject of non-trivial media coverage beyond merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage. That particular link features a two minute long feature on Noah Pawlowski specifically. It includes a personal interview as well as a brief biography. An interview with an individual discussing team and coach interaction as well as thoughts on being with the team are not "merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage". And by what standard do you consider Chek News to not be a reliable source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by YouCallThisClean? (talk • contribs) 10:23, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:58, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not yet notable--Mevagiss (talk) 20:11, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I'm not persuaded that this guy is notable. There is no question that he fails GNG and NFOOTY; this leaves the NCOLLATH guideline. Whilst he was indeed named in a major University level list, I'm not convinced that this list is notable by our standards, and he certainly hasn't received non-routine, independent coverage for being named in the team. He hasn't won an award, he was named in a team-of-the-season type thing, and that's a noteworthy distinction. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 22:53, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Passes WP:NCOLLATH "As the source clearly states: Pawlowski is the only goalkeeper named to the CIS First Team All-Canadian list. This is sufficient per NCOLLATH for notability as winning a national award to my mind" He did indeed win a national award distinguishing him as the top goalkeeper in Canadian university soccer, this has been pointed out a few times. Additionally he did receive independent non routine news coverage as per the video link in the references. Here it is again.

Based on the the text of WP:NCOLLATH College athletes and coaches are notable if they have been the subject of non-trivial media coverage beyond merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage. That particular link features a two minute long feature on Noah Pawlowski specifically. It includes a personal interview as well as a brief biography. An interview with an individual discussing team and coach interaction as well as thoughts on being with the team are not "merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage". YouCallThisClean? (talk) 22:30, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Delete''' not yet notable--[[User:Mevagiss|Mevagiss]] ([[User talk:Mevagiss|talk]]) 20:11, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 *'''Delete''' - I'm not persuaded that this guy is notable. There is no question that he fails GNG and NFOOTY; this leaves the NCOLLATH guideline. Whilst he was indeed named in a major University level list, I'm not convinced that this list is notable by our standards, and he certainly hasn't received non-routine, independent coverage for being named in the team. He hasn't won an award, he was named in a team-of-the-season type thing, and that's a noteworthy distinction. [[User:Lukeno94|<font color="Navy">Luke</font><font color="FireBrick">no</font><font color="Green">94</font>]] [[User talk:Lukeno94#top|<i>(tell Luke off here)</i>]] 22:53, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' - Passes [[WP:NCOLLATH]]  "As the source clearly states: Pawlowski is the only goalkeeper named to the CIS First Team All-Canadian list. This is sufficient per NCOLLATH for notability as winning a national award to my mind" He did indeed win a national award distinguishing him as the top goalkeeper in Canadian university soccer, this has been pointed out a few times. Additionally he did receive independent non routine news coverage as per the video link in the references. Here it is again.
+::* Based on the the text of [[WP:NCOLLATH]] College athletes and coaches are notable if they have been the subject of non-trivial media coverage beyond merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage. [http://www.cheknews.ca/uvic-vikes-get-new-goalkeeper/ That particular link] features a two minute long feature on Noah Pawlowski specifically. It includes a personal interview as well as a brief biography. An interview with an individual discussing team and coach interaction as well as thoughts on being with the team are not "merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage".  [[User:YouCallThisClean?|YouCallThisClean?]] ([[User talk:YouCallThisClean?|talk]]) 22:30, 19 November 2014 (UTC)