Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noah Pawlowski

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Too soon. Fails GNG and NFOOTY, and although he comes perhaps close to passing NCOLLATH, he's not there yet. Randykitty (talk) 15:25, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Noah Pawlowski

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Non-notable, fails the tests at WP:NFOOTY. ukexpat (talk) 14:40, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: In regard to the proposed deletion of Noah Pawlowski because of failure on WP:NFOOTY. He is not a professional footballer and rather his inclusions would fall under the category of WP:NCOLLATH, in particular #1. He was awarded the top Canadian university honour for goalkeeping, that is a national award and so it seems like a clear point for inclusion, additionally he has been "the subject of non-trivial media coverage beyond merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other", for example.--YouCallThisClean? (talk) 21:30, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:40, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 13:26, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - He hasn't played in a Fully professional league and he doesn't have any senior international caps either therefore he fails WP:NFOOTBALL. IJA (talk) 15:45, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

He isn't being listed as a professional athlete, rather as an Amateur Sports Person who has won a national award and who has received non trivial news coverage. This qualifies the entry as notable based on WP:NCOLLATH--YouCallThisClean? (talk) 07:56, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Passes WP:NCOLLATH as has been awarded all-Canadian status. NCOLLATH suggests awards and similar to those found here are sufficient. All-Canadian football team would appear to be the equivalent to College Football All-America Team. Needs expanding to show WP:GNG in a wider context not deleting. @GiantSnowman: and @IJA: may want to revisit their opinions as WP:NFOOTY is not relevant in this context. Fenix down (talk) 10:30, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@YouCallThisClean?: @Fenix down: - NCOLLATH states "College athletes and coaches are notable if they have been the subject of non-trivial media coverage beyond merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage" which I don't see here, regardless of whatever college-level award they have been given. Giant Snowman 13:24, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Has he won anything? The article only says nominated. IJA (talk) 14:44, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As the source clearly states: Pawlowski is the only goalkeeper named to the CIS First Team All-Canadian list. This is sufficient per NCOLLATH for notability as winning a national award to my mind. Fenix down (talk) 14:52, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Again, "College athletes and coaches are notable if they have been the subject of non-trivial media coverage" - where is that with this individual? Giant Snowman 17:53, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Simple logic will tell you that, if there are no substitutes named in a football-related list (which there aren't here), there can be only one goalkeeper named. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 22:56, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman: Take a look at reference 2 on the Noah Pawlowski page. It clearly qualifies as non-trivial media coverage, ie "beyond merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other".--YouCallThisClean? (talk) 01:59, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Err no it's not, it's incredibly WP:ROUTINE and also from a non-WP:RS to boot. Also your ping didn't work. Giant Snowman 08:04, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the the text of WP:NCOLLATH College athletes and coaches are notable if they have been the subject of non-trivial media coverage beyond merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage. That particular link features a two minute long feature on Noah Pawlowski specifically. It includes a personal interview as well as a brief biography. An interview with an individual discussing team and coach interaction as well as thoughts on being with the team are not "merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage". And by what standard do you consider Chek News to not be a reliable source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by YouCallThisClean? (talk • contribs) 10:23, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:58, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not yet notable--Mevagiss (talk) 20:11, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I'm not persuaded that this guy is notable. There is no question that he fails GNG and NFOOTY; this leaves the NCOLLATH guideline. Whilst he was indeed named in a major University level list, I'm not convinced that this list is notable by our standards, and he certainly hasn't received non-routine, independent coverage for being named in the team. He hasn't won an award, he was named in a team-of-the-season type thing, and that's a noteworthy distinction. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 22:53, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ - Passes WP:NCOLLATH "As the source clearly states: Pawlowski is the only goalkeeper named to the CIS First Team All-Canadian list. This is sufficient per NCOLLATH for notability as winning a national award to my mind" He did indeed win a national award distinguishing him as the top goalkeeper in Canadian university soccer, this has been pointed out a few times. Additionally he did receive independent non routine news coverage as per the video link in the references. Here it is again.

Based on the the text of WP:NCOLLATH College athletes and coaches are notable if they have been the subject of non-trivial media coverage beyond merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage. That particular link features a two minute long feature on Noah Pawlowski specifically. It includes a personal interview as well as a brief biography. An interview with an individual discussing team and coach interaction as well as thoughts on being with the team are not "merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage". YouCallThisClean? (talk) 22:30, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.