User talk:Yunshui

UTRS Account Request

I confirm that I have requested an account on the beta UTRS tool. Yunshui ^雲_水

A Dobos torte for you!

7&6=thirteen (☎) has given you a Dobos Torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it. To give a Dobos Torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:44, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Must try and get hold of one of these to try in real life, thye look tasty. Thanks very much. Yunshui ^雲_水 09:47, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Playing football?

Hi Yunshui, I've landed on your page, cap in hand as usual, as you seem to be about at the moment! I'm unsure of the best action to take with the situation at Kirkwall Ba game. There seems to have been a slow edit war going on for some time with what is likely the use of several accounts; Bbb23 blocked a couple of accounts: Speakingthetruth7877, Themanwhoknows1, Elliotness1] etc and looking at the article history, the latest player may be the same? I managed to find some refs for the article and the editor has received a couple of warnings on their talk page. I added another warning this morning. Is there anything further I should do? Sheesh, I don't even know why I got involved in this - football isn't even something I know about! SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:54, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

So obvious I didn't even bother with a checkuser - I've naturally blocked the new account as yet another sock. Since this doesn't seem to be going away I've also semi-protected the article for a bit as well. Good spot, but there's nothing else you (or I) need to do here - which is a relief, since I probably know even less about football than you do! Yunshui ^雲_水 12:15, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, your help is, as always, much appreciated! SagaciousPhil - Chat 13:03, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Not that I'm competitive or anything, but I think I should win the trophy for the person who knows the least about football. Ask Drmies who knows everything about everything.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:19, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Bless your heart, Bbb. Hey, I just cleared the CSD spam log, and just about every one of 'em (some 30 in all) came with a block and a block notice as well. I should get today's RSI trophy. Please have a look at Softlavender's request on my talk page--I need coffee and to get away from this screen. Drmies (talk) 00:36, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

3R rule

Hi Yunshui greetings and nice picture on profile :) , how to deal with 3 reverts rule please check here Shrikanthv (talk) 09:07, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Start with a talkpage warning, which I see you've already done. If they persist to the point of 3RR you can report them to WP:3RN, but be aware that as you are not reverting blatant vandalism or BLP violations, your own conduct will also be subject to scrutiny. I've left them a welcome message alerting them to WP:V; this is a new editor who may not be aware of our policies. Yunshui ^雲_水 09:12, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

and how treat this article ? here and seems his websites asks people visit wiki to know more about him ! ( I do not know if its was of legitimising things !) here Shrikanthv (talk) 09:17, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I thought about taking the editing knife to it, but it needs an axe - I've removed it under G11. The guy may just about meet notability, but the whole thing needs to be rewritten from scratch - and not by its original author

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Thanks! and one more problem oops!

Hi Yunshui was following an article for some time and also nominated it for deletion ones (it survived), it seems the article qoutes various famous people sources to put across its own agenda ( never was a suggestion by famous people) , countered the page creator allways comes out saying you guys are against new "western" veiw of the subject something like this ! but the real matter was the subject itself , how to deal with such matter ?

Shrikanthv (talk) 14:30, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Um... which article? Hypothetical situations are all very well, but if you can tell me which article you're referring to I can give you a better-than-hypothetical answer. Yunshui ^雲_水 14:31, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

:) here

Well, it needs a substantial trim to get rid of the quotebombing - we simply don't use quotations like that in an encyclopedia - but beyond that I don't see much of an issue with it; it's been written about enough to be notable and the content is, whilst heavy on the jargon, fairly neutral as far as I can acertain actually there does seem to be a bit of undue weight given to criticism from other religious systems, so that could be looked at. What exactly is the problem you're having with the page? Yunshui ^雲_水 14:54, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi yunshui, there is some arbitration going on the creator already I think I will wait it out till its completed before changing anything Shrikanthv (talk) 06:52, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Request to Read and Resolve My Query

Hello Mate

Today, after 4 month survival on wikipedia, my page having URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suvigya_Sharma get deleted. It was really very shocking for me after reading "promotional material". Suvigya Sharma is my brother and he is renowned artist who got lots of national and international prize for his great artistic work. According to Wikipedia policy i had not put any promotional links instead i had kept links of renowned news channels in reference section which is supported by Wikipedia.

Even my page was patrolled by Wikipedia Team with green signal "Suvigya Sharma was patrolled by DragonflySixtyseven". It's not my intention to force you to change your decision after all you are senior authority of this prestigious online media. However as a user its my curiosity to know what is basic reason or where i lack.

I dare to post the short bio of my brother as i read several biography for renowned people. That's the main reason behind the publishing not for any promotion.

Thanks in Advance for your generous support. I am waiting for precious support which resolve my curiosity.

Regards Atul— Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.124.20.120 (talk) 16:22, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I see that it has now been restored in draft format by another administrator, so you can continue working on it. Some suggestions, however:

• Phrases like, "He holds expertise," "He practises both religiously," "renounced miniature Artist [sic, I assume you meant 'renowned']," "he is also very passionate towards arts," "from an artistic family," "He had a wonderful childhood," "his talented and visionary father" - I could go on, but hopefully you get the gist - are completely inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Wikipedia articles should strive for neutrality - that means no laudatory language praising the subject, his work or his family.
• Sources are everything - most of this article is completely unsourced. Since you are related to the subject, I assume that the information about his life is drawn from personal knowledge; that is not acceptable here. If the information has not been previously published in reliable, third party sources, it does not belong on Wikipedia.
• On a related note, since you are related to the subject, you have a severe conflict of interest with Wikipedia in writing about him. As such, you shoudl not be the person to create the article - a more appropriate venue for you would be Request articles, where you can ask someone else, who does not have a personal investment in presenting the subject in a positive light, to create the article.
• The article has a mass of inappropriate external links; these need to be removed. With the exception of Mr Sharma's own official website, none of the external links meet Wikipedia's requirements.

I would strongly suggest at this point that you recuse yourself from the article entirely, and instead request that the editing community work on it on your behalf. It is very clear from the fact that you are not able to see the issues with this article that you are not capable of writing appropriately on the subject. You should absolutely avoid moving it back into mainspace again yourself. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:39, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Essay

As you informed that a blog and an essay are different: did that means that at any cost, an essay on Wikipedia must be wrote in neutral context? thanks~"aGastya" ✉ let’s talk about it :) 09:23, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

They don't have to meet the requirements of WP:NPOV (although policies like WP:BLP and WP:NPA still apply), but they need to be about Wikipedia in some way. In other words, you can write an essay on why you think the deletion process is biased and wrong and should be more democratic, but you can't write about how your local political system is biased and wrong and should be more democratic. I'd recommend reading some of the examples listed in Category:User essays to get a feel for the sort of writing and subject matter involved. Yunshui ^雲_水 10:13, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

thank you for the information! ~"aGastya" ✉ let’s talk about it :) 10:32, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Checkuser request

A case against me was opened here. Editor Nishidani claims here he wasn't WP:Hounding me but rather watched Barkan Industrial Park page prior to my edits. I would like information on whether this fact is true.

I believe this has ground for checking since it is a legitimate concerns about bad faith editing.

As this is part a series of such AE requests (here and here), the information is quite important and I would love to have it before this current AE request against me closes.

Has Nishidani watched Barkan Industrial Park prior to my first edit on 20:22, 16 February 2015‎?

Thanks, Ashtul (talk) 13:40, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

That isn't something we can learn from checkuser data. As far as I'm aware, it's impossible to tell within the Mediawiki software what another user has on their watchlist at any given time. Yunshui ^雲_水 13:43, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks you. Ashtul (talk) 14:53, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

(Friendly stalker) Yunshui A related question:Is it possible to tell which editors are watching a users talk page? I know you can check how many are watching but can you (or anyone) tell "who" is watching? TY.... . Buster Seven Talk 13:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

The WMF programmers might be able to do so, but I doubt it. Watchlists are essentially sacrosanct - to the best of my knowledge, there's no combination of userrights that allows you to see what's on someone else's watchlist, or precisely who is watching any given page. Yunshui ^雲_水 13:24, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Tjuan Benafactor

Why did you delete the Tjuan Benafactor page as I was still creating it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jholky (talk • contribs) 15:53, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I deleted it over an hour after your initial creation of the page. It contained no third-party reliable sources, and was excessively promotional in tone. The deletion criteria used were A7 and 11.

It also appears from your contributions that you have some sort of personal or professional relationshiop with the subject; you should therefore familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines and be aware that undisclosed paid editing is a violation of Wikipedia's Terms of Use (and is therefore grounds for blocking your account). Yunshui ^雲_水 07:56, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

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You're Welcome (for help with the numbering)[edit]

Yunshui - you're quite welcome; and I'm happy to report that I'm not an IP editor, but rather a full-fledged editor in good standing. In fact, my username is my true full name - Dave Peters.

I think my "loss of identity" occurs thusly: I have a "watch" on the page in question for which I receive e-mail updates following a change of any sort to the page. When such an e-mail arrives, I have three links from which to choose for the page "on watch": one for the current version of the page, and two related to changes. When I select one of the links, I'm taken to the appropriate destination without having to log in, and must've forgotten to do so before helping with the numbering.

It's fascinating to watch a Wiki arbitration unfold.

Dave Peters (talk) 09:46, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikibreak

I need help. i am on wikibreak as my important exams for academic part are going on. And as per Wikipedia; school is more important than itself: but i am helpless. I can't stop myself from clicking Edit! And I guess I must not be editing much till 23rd March, when exams would finish. But I find myself editing it more and more! Please help me to take a perfect decision.
aGastya  ✉ let’s talk about it  :) 13:44, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Here, use this. Problem solved. Yunshui ^雲_水 13:47, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Assistance requested regarding User:Skookum1

Yunshui,

User:Viriditas is asking for a non-involved admin to take a look at this case.

Thank you, WhisperToMe (talk) 05:01, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm struggling to make sense of the back-and-forth discussions in multiple venues, and I'm not even sure what's being objected to, or by whom. If you want this issue investigated, I would suggest opening an ANI thread with a clear timeline and supporting diffs; sorry, but few admins will be willing to spend their morning wading through edit histories and playing join-the-dots to try and understand what's going on here. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:35, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice :) WhisperToMe (talk) 09:39, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

help

Hi yunshui, how to treat the article like this here ?, and seems one closer is involved like this here , I see that an admin is already involved in the mess ? I have not seen that wiki is against such "promotional" managers of online content? Shrikanthv (talk) 06:38, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I've given the account a short block, but I don't see much of a future for them on Wikipedia - it's pretty clearly an SPA whose only intent here is to whitewash the article. I'm not making any changes to the article itself, but you should feel free to do so. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:41, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	This good Superkid761 (talk) 11:02, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, but please bear in mind the message I left on your talkpage just now. Yunshui ^雲_水 11:03, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Query

Can i know why Mark Nutley's username was changed to DarknessShines 2 by Ladsgroup ?--CosmicEmperor (talk) 18:32, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

In short, not really, no. The rename was performed at the request of ArbCom as a result of a private email discussion, but I'm afraid that's about as much as the privacy policy will allow me to tell you. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:23, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Editnotice

Hello, Yunshui. At The dress (viral phenomenon), the dress originated from Scotland which uses British English. I wanted to create an edit notice to notify all the editors to use it in British English, but only administrators and template editors can amend the edits. Can you please help me create this edit notice in favour? Thanks! Nahnah4 (talk | contribs | guestbook) 08:45, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Done, though this should really be discussed on the article's talkpage. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:54, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Response

Responding to this comment

You seem determined to continue trying to aggravate User:Tetra quark by posting on his talkpage, so I am once again asking you to move the conversation here. Next time I won't be asking. Repeatedly posting on a user's talkpage when they have asked you not to do so is harrassment; it looks to me very much as though you are deliberately trying to provoke a reaction from TQ so that you can see him blocked again. You are not "behaving with civility to resolve this issue", you are purposely trying to escalate it. To coin a parallel, if your next-door-neighbour asked you - possibly quite forecefully - to stop urinating over his fence, would continuing to pee on his begonias, with the argument that they needed watering, be likely to make the situation better or worse?

You say that you have little choice but to continue edit-warring on another user's page to remove the offending text; here's another choice: how about just don't? No one is harmed by the presence of some bad words on Tetra quark's talkpage (for which he apologised, incidentally), and they're still perfectly legible if you strike them see?, so what are you hoping to achieve? Beyond antagonising an already aggravated user to the point that they start swearing at you again, I mean.

I was unaware that we had a rule whereby one (misinterpreted) policy trumped two other policies and three behavioural guidelines, so I'll be sure to bear that in mind in future...

Ultimately, my final word on this is: stop. Just stop. Leave Tetra quark alone, leave his talkpage alone, go and do something productive elsewhere on Wikipedia. Fire only burns if you keep adding fuel to it, so stop throwing on logs. Yunshui ^雲_水 13:08, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for you concerns. I have kindly asked this User to remove his derogatory and offensive text, several times. He continues to ignore my requests, delete any means of solving the issue, and reverses my necessary edits. If he refuses to acknowledge the incivility. I am not interested in getting this user Blocked, but I wish to remove the offensive text.

This User can quickly de-escalate this by removing the incivility, but be continually reverting the edits just means he's avoiding it.

Actually, I could have removed the text altogether, but that is unfair on the User, so I just struck it out instead.

As for "No one is harmed by the presence of some bad words on Tetra quark's talkpage (for which he apologised, incidentally)". Actually, he apologised to the Admin, John, but no one else.

Frankly, is the lesson here for me to start swearing at others too?

TQ can simply solve this problem. Q. Why won't he do so?

Cheers.

Note: It is absolutely no wonder that Wikipedia cannot get female editors which it is trying to currently promote), because the uncivil behaviour like this likely the principle reason they don't.

BTW. I really like your User Page background with all those pink blossoms! Arianewiki1 (talk) 13:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate the compliment. I'm a big fan of sakura.

I think, fundamentally, you and TQ are going to have to agree to disagree over this. He has made it clear that he isn't planning to redact the swearing, and under the usual talkpage guidelines that is his right. I can't say that I think his decision is a good one, but he is entitled not to have his comments redacted on his own talkpage, no matter how poor the choice of language. Equally, I appreciate that you find it offensive - however the solution to offensive behaviour isn't to legitimise it by vigorously trying to stamp it out, but to disregard it until it becomes clear that no reaction will be forthcoming (if you have kids, I'm sure you know what I mean). Yes, TQ can solve the problem by removing the text in question - he has chosen not to, so why not take the higher moral ground and just ignore him? Yunshui ^雲_水 13:52, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Firstly. I owe you an unreserved apology. Your 24 hour block on me was fair and quite correct, because I had completely disrespected you with my final revert when you had already warned me. I regret this most of all. I now realise the seriousness on why this sanction was imposed - knowing that under normal conditions the sanction should have remained regardless of what I've said and what I've done. I really do appreciate your words and advice, and will keep that in mind if another circumstance like this comes along. 3RR is there with good reason, and I will heed this from now on. (I should have asked for help and not did it alone.) Regardless of what is right or wrong here, the outcome is always tinged with some regret and even remorse. I will be taking a few days break from editing, as I have other duties to perform, but I just wanted to extend my appreciation for you dedicating time to my stubbornness/ silliness. I will try to be better. Thanks and Best Wishes.

Note: I also learnt something very interesting from you. It didn't know about the Japanese name of sakura and didn't know it was related to the drink sakurayu. Thanks for that! Arianewiki1 (talk) 07:37, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

To be honest, having slept on it, my first thought this morning was that I should come and apologise to you - I agree that the block was appropriate under the rules here, but I really think I could have handled things better by being less confrontational with you in the first place. I'm sorry I was overly heavy-handed. Civility enforcement is perhaps the most difficult element of any administrator's job, with a whole raft of often-contradictory and easily-misinterpreted policies and guidelines to enforce, and the temptation to just start throwing one's admin weight around (which I think I did, a bit) is considerable.

So my apologies to you, then, for not helping you through this situation with the required delicacy. Hopefully we can both draw a line under the whole thing and chalk it up to experience. My best wishes to you; I hope once your real-life duties are taken care of we will see you back on Wikipedia soon. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:32, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Not to meddle, I think this was the reason here :) Shrikanthv (talk) 08:57, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

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User Superkid761...

Just created this RfA. Could you close it as way WP:NOTNOW? Thanks, Origamite^ⓣⓒ 17:53, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Since you haven't been on in 9 hours, I'm contacting someone else. Sorry-just wanted you to know, since you were the last admin on the talk page. Origamite^ⓣⓒ 18:05, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Facepalm The guy's really determined to get his block reinstated, isn't he? I'll sort it... Yunshui ^雲_水 20:15, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Origamite^ⓣⓒ 23:15, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

You need not worry

Hello, Yunshui. I figured out that you seem to have reminded and told Superkid761 to stop misbehaving on Wikipedia. You need not worry, as I am adopting him, so he will probably become better in future. Thanks, Nahnah4 (talk | contribs | guestbook) 10:02, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

It's to be hoped, though I fear you face an uphill struggle. Let me know if I can lend a hand. Yunshui ^雲_水 10:23, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

I only knew he had autism just now, as described on his talk page. I think I will think of an idea to help with that, and another user had recommended that they read the WP:AUTIST guidelines. Hence, I'm not surprised that he actually replied the questions on the adoption on his talk page himself. Thanks, Nahnah4 (talk | contribs | guestbook) 08:52, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Do make sure that you actually read up on autism first, won't you? If you're going to work with an autistic editor you need to ensure that you know a fair bit about the condition. Yunshui ^雲_水 09:38, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay, will do. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs | guestbook) 09:43, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Weigh in on an AfD?

Hey, I need someone with a good sense of diplomacy. I'm in the middle of an AfD for Rebecca Donovan and the AfD is starting to get a little heated. The issue is that there really aren't that many sources for the author. She has a ton of trivial and primary sources (which I've outlined in the AfD), but only three sources that may be usable- none of which is an actual review of her work. What we have so far is a USA Today article, a Boston Globe article that cannot be verified for depth (my Highbeam has expired), and an article in a local free magazine. I've been asking about the magazine on RS/N since it doesn't seem to be a particularly standout magazine like some of the other free newspapers or magazines like Village Voice. I've been accused of (and indirectly accused of) being numerous things on the AfD, one of which is that I'm combative and driving away potential female editors by deleting this article. Part of this stems from my asking two specific editors to stop using the AfD as a forum to say negative things about other AfDs, their nominators, and myself, as the way they're phrasing things came across as an indirect way to insult people. I'd warned the editor about this partially because he appears to be doing similar things at other AfDs, although not to this extent. I'd like to avoid taking this to ANI since this isn't particularly bad at this stage, but it's starting to get to that point. It's not that I'm against keeping the article, but I would like it to be kept on stronger sourcing and for better reasons other than the author is popular and that deleting it would drive female editors away. I'm going to let DGG know about this since if anyone's an authority on sourcing, it's him. If he says that the sources are good enough, I trust him. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:33, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

• I was going to post here about the sources, but I'm going to drop you an email since I don't want to bog down the page. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:47, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

I use public computer, but I only use one account. My friends use other accounts in same place as it's a coaching center. As pointed out in the SPI by user Todd1, user CallAng222 is a sockpuppet.--Slooppouts34 (talk) 22:48, 10 March 2015 (UTC)