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Cognac diplomacy

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See Foreign relations of Azerbaijan/ESISC report. ESISC just a Baku's lobbyest, the report just a propaganda. There is no any response in the media, only the articles of ESISC itself. Divot (talk) 21:46, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:07, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

• Delete a non-notable neologism; the article is more about the report the term is used in than the term itself. Power~enwiki (talk) 01:50, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
• Delete The article is very biassed and not neutral point of view, and seems to use its ostensible topic as a coatrack for attacks on various organisations, although it's not entirely clear what its precise aim is (although the nomination itself is equally propagandist and just as out of place on Wikipedia). --Colapeninsula (talk) 15:04, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Keep - Colapeninsula The article is mainly based on report developed by an independent international think tank and portrays the findings of the report based on the investigation carried out and comprehensively described not only within the report itself, but also in articles in numerous foreign media. The aim - as it goes with each article in Wikipedia and the general mission of any encyclopedia, is to bring more clarity to the term cognac diplomacy which is being frequently used in connection to Armenia’s informal diplomacy, which was also acknowledged by Armenians themselves. Respective article is provided. Vugar Z (talk) 09:57, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Keep: First of all concerns expressed in the comments did not exist before the user Divot made the edits. He changed the article entirely and provided biased view and only after this proposed it for deleting. The original version of the article reflected numerous links of news coverage

regarding the topic moreover the article didn’t only base on ESISC report.  There is not any view of author in the article  and every paragraph is
noted with source and was written in neutral language. Therefore I’m undoing all changes made by Devot.  Every editor is more than welcome to contribute to the article based on Wikipedia rules but not vandalizing the page as Divot did. @Divot  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coneyislandqueentobe (talk • contribs) 12:41, 29 July 2017 (UTC) 

"The term is mentioned periodically in the bribery case of Venice Commission by the Armenians and Nazarbayev's former Press Secretary Ajdosa Sarymova." [1] - can you find any word about Venice Commission or Ajdosa Sarymova in this link [2]? Please cite it. Divot (talk) 19:30, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Keep This article is developed in line to Wikipedia rules with respect to neutrality. ESISC is an international think tank established in Brussels. There are articles on media in Ukraine, Georgia and Armenia. These links existed in the text before edited by Divot. Divot’s thoughts are contradictory as he names the organization to be Baku lobbyist at the same time he amends the article so that it reflects pro-Armenian position as criticizing Azerbaijan. Another contradiction is that why there are numerous vandalism attempts and changes made to the article if the purpose is to have the article deleted. Kingedik (talk) 13:12, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Let's rename article to "ESISC", if it is an international think tank established in Brussels, no problem. Just like in Russian [3] and French [4] Wikipedia.

But where does "cognac diplomacy" come from? Not a single major media has written about this report. Of course, they do not comment on stupid conspiracy theories. Divot (talk) 11:17, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Keep: please note that the term of cognac diplomacy was existing before the report and below is several articles on media in Moldova and Armenia itself where this term is noted. In Article in Armenia Armenian author notes that cognac is considered as the element of national diplomacy. See Ashot Martirosyan's interview Sona Sh (talk) 19:10, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

"Ashot Martirosyan's intervie" - it's a fake. Ashot Martirosyan said about cultural diplomacy, not abut lobbing. Divot (talk) 19:26, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

It is not fake. Martirosyan calls it the national diplomacy but not the cultural one and admits that Armenians have solved at least one problem with a bottle of cognac so far. Sona Sh (talk) 08:54, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

The correct mean is "Armenian cognac is a national endow, I would even call it national diplomacy. It's no secret that every Armenian for once in his live have solved a problem with a bottle of Armenian cognac". It's just a joke, irony, about Armenians (really every Armenian have solved a problem with a bottle of Armenian cognac? Including babyes?), not about lobbying or diplomacy . So, it's fake link, like all other Coneyislandqueentobe's links. If you have problems understanding Russian text and irony, I can advise a good interpreter. Divot (talk) 11:27, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

This confusion derives from the wording which maybe needs more clarification but it’s cited information. This thought is based on allegations of bribing of Venice Commission by Armenian officials. It was stated by Armenian MP Levon Zurabyan where he promised to submit facts and was widely covered in Armenian media also with reaction of government which initiated investigations on the case. Respective links to media articles are added.

Венецианская комиссия благословила…

Заявлением о подкупе Венецианской комиссии займется полиция Армении

Полиция Армении начала следствие по заявлению о подкупе членов Венецианской комиссии --Coneyislandqueentobe (talk) 14:25, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Coneyislandqueentobe links about "Cognac diplomacy" is full of fakes. F.e. "UK journalists managed to catch on to bribe Mark Pritchard, a member of the British parliament from Conservative Party, took who agreed to work as a consultant for the Armenian-Lebanese group SOUFAN". In the source we can see only "The parliamentarian who sits on the most APPGs is Mark Pritchard, the Tory MP for the Wrekin, a member of 41 including the country groups for Armenia, Bosnia and Bulgaria. He has also declared an interest as an consultant on the strategic security group Soufan, for which he is paid £2,074 a month.". Divot (talk) 21:16, 29 July 2017 (UTC)