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::OK thanks, Argento Surfer! :-) [[User:Picture of a Sunny Day|Becca]] ([[User talk:Picture of a Sunny Day|talk]]) 03:48, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
::OK thanks, Argento Surfer! :-) [[User:Picture of a Sunny Day|Becca]] ([[User talk:Picture of a Sunny Day|talk]]) 03:48, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
:There was wider agreement that we use the name that a work credited at the time of its release. The Wachowskis have not said that they want the name "The Wachowski Brothers" retroactively changed on their pre-name-change films, and in fact that name remains on all of them. You should not go and make edits like this, removing or changing hidden notes that tell you to get consensus first. - [[User:Gothicfilm|Gothicfilm]] ([[User talk:Gothicfilm|talk]]) 23:12, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
:There was wider agreement that we use the name that a work credited at the time of its release. The Wachowskis have not said that they want the name "The Wachowski Brothers" retroactively changed on their pre-name-change films, and in fact that name remains on all of them. You should not go and make edits like this, removing or changing hidden notes that tell you to get consensus first. - [[User:Gothicfilm|Gothicfilm]] ([[User talk:Gothicfilm|talk]]) 23:12, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
::I don't think I agree with you here, Gothicfilm, but I'm certainly open to changing my position! I'm curious how you respond to the RfC that Argento Surfer linked that states consensus was reached to go with "The Wachowskis" in the lead for articles such as this? I would also be interested if you can provide any link to a discussion where folks agreed that filmmaker names in Wikipedia articles should match the names that a work was credited to at its time of its release. I'd love to see such a discussion! Currently, I'm aware that it is Wikipedia convention to do this in the article's infobox but I'm aware of no such convention to do this in the article's lead paragraph. And in fact, the Wachowskis' most notable film, [[The Matrix]], refers to them as "The Wachowskis" in the lead. This appears to have been the status quo in that article for quite some time. Why do you believe the V for Vendetta article should follow a different style? Anyway. . .I love the Wachowskis as filmmakers, but just to clarify: my position here has nothing to do with what they may or may not want in Wikipedia articles about their movies. I am simply hoping thst my contributions here will render this article as clear and as accurate as is possible. It is true that at the time V for Vendetta was released, they were known as "the Wachowski Brothers." This is reflected in the Infobox on V for Vendetta. Currently, however, these filmmakers are known as "The Wachowskis." This is how they are referred to in the Wikipedia article about them, in the lead to the Wikipedia article about their most famous movie, The Matrix, in current news articles about them by reputable sources, in write-ups of their movies on imdb.com and Netflix, and so on. I believe referring to them as the "Wachowski Brothers" in the lead of this article is outdated and confusing, even if it is consistent with how their name still appears in V for Vendetta's credit sequence. [[User:Picture of a Sunny Day|Becca]] ([[User talk:Picture of a Sunny Day|talk]]) 21:04, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
::I don't think I agree with you here, Gothicfilm, but I'm certainly open to changing my position! I'm curious how you respond to the RfC that Argento Surfer linked that states consensus was reached to go with "The Wachowskis" in the lead for articles such as this? I would also be interested if you can provide any link to a discussion where folks agreed that filmmaker names in Wikipedia articles should match the names that a work was credited to at its time of its release. I'd love to see such a discussion! Currently, I'm aware that it is Wikipedia convention to do this in the article's infobox but I'm aware of no such convention to do this in the article's lead paragraph. And in fact, the Wachowskis' most notable film, [[The Matrix]], refers to them as "The Wachowskis" in the lead. This appears to have been the status quo in that article for quite some time. Why do you believe the V for Vendetta article should follow a different style? Anyway. . .I love the Wachowskis as filmmakers, but just to clarify: my position here has nothing to do with what they may or may not want in Wikipedia articles about their movies. I am simply hoping thst my contributions here will render this article as clear and as accurate as is possible. It is true that at the time V for Vendetta was released, they were known as "the Wachowski Brothers." This is reflected in the Infobox on V for Vendetta. Currently, however, these filmmakers are known as "The Wachowskis." This is how they are referred to in the Wikipedia article about them, in the lead to the Wikipedia article about their most famous movie, The Matrix, in current news articles about them by reputable sources, in write-ups of their movies on imdb.com and Netflix, and so on. I believe referring to them as the "Wachowski Brothers" in the lead of this article is outdated and confusing, even if it is consistent with how their name still appears in V for Vendetta's credit sequence. Wikipedia is a present-day encyclopedia, not a historical manuscript. [[User:Picture of a Sunny Day|Becca]] ([[User talk:Picture of a Sunny Day|talk]]) 21:04, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

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References to use

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  • Booker, M. Keith (2007). "V for Vendetta". May Contain Graphic Material: Comic Books, Graphic Novels, and Film. Praeger. ISBN 0275993868.
  • Keller, James R. (2008). V For Vendetta As Cultural Pastiche: A Critical Study of the Graphic Novel and Film. McFarland. ISBN 0786434678.
  • Reynolds, James (2009). "'KILL ME SENTIMENT': V For Vendetta and comic-to-film adaptation". Journal of Adaptation in Film & Performance. 2 (2): 121–136. doi:10.1386/jafp.2.2.121_1. ISSN 1753-6421. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
  • Williams, Tony (2006). "Assessing V For Vendetta". CineAction (70): 16–23. ISSN 0826-9866. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help) "Looks at V FOR VENDETTA in the current political climate."
  • Shay, Estelle (2006). "Overview: Dan Glass on V for Vendetta". Cinefex (106): 15–20. ISSN 0198-1056. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help) "An overview of visual effects supervisor Dan Glass' and Cine -site's work on V FOR VENDETTA."
  • Winterton, Ian (2006). "Fear Me". Empire (202): 89, 91–95. ISSN 0957-4948. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help) "Cast and crew discuss the making of and the themes in the film V FOR VENDETTA."
  • Wolff, Michael (2006). "R for Revolution". Vanity Fair (546): 44, 46–47. ISSN 0733-8899. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help) "Article considering V FOR VENDETTA as a reflection of the post-9/11 world, and placing it in the tradition of 'cultural sabotage' embodied by films such as IF.... and A CLOCKWORK ORANGE."
  • "The V for Vendetta". Film Review (664): 80–81. 2005. ISSN 0957-1809. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help) "Co-creator Dez Skin and original artist David Lloyd discuss the genesis and controversy surrounding the release delay of V FOR VENDETTA."

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British English?

As this is not a British film, why is British English used (some of the time) and why are we using British date formatting? This has been discussed on the talk page previously, but that was a few years ago, and it bears repeating that this is not a British film. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 15:04, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The change was made by User:SchroCat, who appears to be retired from Wikipedia. I don't oppose reversing it, so long as it's consistent. The comic book article has the same issue - the lead identifies it as a British graphic novel despite being an American publication by an American company and features 6 instances of "colour". Argento Surfer (talk) 15:46, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the source material's "nationality", the comic is primarily by two British creators and the majority of the story was initially published in the UK before being reprinted and completed in America. Whether this should influence the style used by this article is another matter entirely.IrishStephen (talk) 23:35, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The Wachowskis vs. The Wachowski Brothers

For their pre-name-change films, it seems like a consensus has formed to use "The Wachowskis" in the opening paragraph and "The Wachowski Brothers" in the infobox. This is how it is done on the article for The Matrix. I want to apologize to Argento Surfer for making this change without discussing it first or explaining my reasoning. I do still think the change makes sense to enact, however. What do other people think? Becca (talk) 16:17, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Looking through, I found this RfC. You can undo me if you'd like - I was unaware of the change. Argento Surfer (talk) 18:06, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
OK thanks, Argento Surfer! :-) Becca (talk) 03:48, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There was wider agreement that we use the name that a work credited at the time of its release. The Wachowskis have not said that they want the name "The Wachowski Brothers" retroactively changed on their pre-name-change films, and in fact that name remains on all of them. You should not go and make edits like this, removing or changing hidden notes that tell you to get consensus first. - Gothicfilm (talk) 23:12, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think I agree with you here, Gothicfilm, but I'm certainly open to changing my position! I'm curious how you respond to the RfC that Argento Surfer linked that states consensus was reached to go with "The Wachowskis" in the lead for articles such as this? I would also be interested if you can provide any link to a discussion where folks agreed that filmmaker names in Wikipedia articles should match the names that a work was credited to at its time of its release. I'd love to see such a discussion! Currently, I'm aware that it is Wikipedia convention to do this in the article's infobox but I'm aware of no such convention to do this in the article's lead paragraph. And in fact, the Wachowskis' most notable film, The Matrix, refers to them as "The Wachowskis" in the lead. This appears to have been the status quo in that article for quite some time. Why do you believe the V for Vendetta article should follow a different style? Anyway. . .I love the Wachowskis as filmmakers, but just to clarify: my position here has nothing to do with what they may or may not want in Wikipedia articles about their movies. I am simply hoping thst my contributions here will render this article as clear and as accurate as is possible. It is true that at the time V for Vendetta was released, they were known as "the Wachowski Brothers." This is reflected in the Infobox on V for Vendetta. Currently, however, these filmmakers are known as "The Wachowskis." This is how they are referred to in the Wikipedia article about them, in the lead to the Wikipedia article about their most famous movie, The Matrix, in current news articles about them by reputable sources, in write-ups of their movies on imdb.com and Netflix, and so on. I believe referring to them as the "Wachowski Brothers" in the lead of this article is outdated and confusing, even if it is consistent with how their name still appears in V for Vendetta's credit sequence. Wikipedia is a present-day encyclopedia, not a historical manuscript. Becca (talk) 21:04, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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