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December 6

Recent Contribution Question

I recently made a contribution to Wikipedia involving a biography of a person. For some reason it reads that the article is written like an advertisement. What can I do to fix this? Should I delete some of the references I used? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Max266 (talk • contribs) 00:16, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Max266. That would be Barbie Castro, correct? Content such as From the time she was ten years old, Barbie Castro became interested in everything that had to do with entertainment. She began working as a singer and dance, but then developed an interest in musical theatre. It was very hard for the young entertainer when her father passed away at the age of eighteen. Shortly afterwards, Castro devoted her time to starting a family, and she got married and had two daughters Taylor and Rhys Castro. are pretty much pure marketing speech, and should never appear in a Wikipedia article. Ar article should be neutral and factual. It should not offer opinions or judgements in Wikipedia's voice, although it may report the opinions of named and cited individuals, within reason and allowing for due weight. You also need to avoid copying any significant text from outside sources, unless they are marked as quotes and comply with Wikipedia:Quotations. Such copying can be grounds for deleting the article totally and without warning or discussion. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:59, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

The problem is not the sources used, if anything more and better are needed. it is the tone of the prose in the article itself. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:59, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello.

Thank you for letting me know what the problem is. Just out of curiosity, how much time do I have to fix this article Barbie Castro? I want to fix it so it doesn't get deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Max266 (talk • contribs) 01:32, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

There is no specific deadline, Max266. No editor has yet nominated the article for deletion, nor tagged it for speedy deletion. If nominated for a deletion discussion the discussion normally lasts at least 7 days. If tagged for speedy deletion, an admin reviews the article, perhaps only minutes later. If the admin agrees, the page is deleted with no discussion. You should be notified, but there is no delay. Personally I don't think this is sufficiently promotional to qualify for speedy deletion (or else I would have deleted it or tagged it) but that is a judgement call, and some editors are more aggressive on that subject than I. I have removed some of the most clearly promotional language, but you should go through it more thoroughly as soon as you can. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:25, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Clcstudent Bias

How do you stop someone with the right to ban you from editing your changes and threatening to ban you because they don’t agree with the way something is written due to their political bias? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WestSideHudson (talk • contribs) 01:00, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

I am sorry, but edits like this (which you repeated after it was reverted) and this are totally unacceptable, and repeating such edits will justifiably lead to a block from editing. Do not repeat them. Do you really need to be told why they are not acceptable? They state highly non-neutral opinions, are attacks on named individuals, and are unsourced. They violate our living persons policy. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:07, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

@WestSideHudson: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:07, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Why I don’t donate

I don’t see any other place to offer this feedback. So I’m posting it here.

I do not donate to Wikipedia because it is Not a neutral resource as you claim it is.

Rather I find Wikipedia to be, in the words of Deepak Chopra, “militantly atheist.” Which is to say that you are biased by THAT particular point of view. And it is just one point of view among many.

I only use Wikipedia because it’s the first thing that pops up in the search engine. And then only if I absolutely have to.

Make Wikipedia actually neutral and not biased by its ideology of Scientific Utopianism and I reckon you might have more fans. It would be at least +1. Me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:8092:CB00:78F1:52A7:AFB0:86FD (talk) 03:58, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Where do we claim it's a neutral resource? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:21, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

We have an NPOV policy! -- Q Chris (talk) 08:32, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel that way. But many editors put in a lot of time to ensure nuetrality, and we have a lot of policies that ensure we treat topics evenly and without bias. We aren't perfect, but we try hard. If you have a specific article you don't like, why not make an account and be bold! Fixing problems when you see them is a key part of Wikipedia, and it's how we make it better everyday. Please remember, all the editors are volunteer and don't get paid. Donations go to keep the servers running and operate the Wikimedia foundation, which is not in charge of content or its creation, they simply run the backend. Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 09:27, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Which states "It describes a widely accepted standard that all editors should normally follow." It makes no promises that, say, an article like Deepak Chopra or Age of the Earth will not be militantly atheist in the view of the OP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:22, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

"I do not donate to Wikipedia because it is Not a neutral resource as you claim it is." Some examples of what you mean would be helpful. Britmax (talk) 11:01, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not claim to be free of bias. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state, so any bias in the sources will be reflected in Wikipedia. We provide those sources so readers can evaluate them and decide for themselves what they think. If there is an error in an article and you can cite it to an independent source, please offer your suggestion on the relevant article talk page. I'll also note that whether you donate or not has no bearing on your edits or Wikipedia content, as fundraising is handled by the Wikimedia Foundation, not us editors. 331dot (talk) 11:58, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

• Please consider that Deepak Chopra has a very strong incentive in saying Wikipedia is unreliable, because people reading the Wikipedia page about him will learn that he is a quack and be more reluctant to buy what he sells. On the other hand, Wikipedia editors are volunteers, so what we say about him has zero financial impact either way on us.

If you have yourself observed specific instances of atheistic bias or similar, please point them out. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:17, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Problems with Template:Location map+ using the Greater Europe map

See here. I'm sure I carried over the correct coordinates from the respective Wikipedia pages, and yet the red dots seem shifted slightly to the west, the most glaring example being that Tel Aviv's Bloomfield Stadium now appears amidst the Mediterranean. --Theurgist (talk) 04:31, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

@Theurgist: I haven't been able to solve this. There's another example at UEFA Euro 2020 bids#Bidding venues, where Jerusalem is positioned on the coast rather than inland. The calculation is done by the formulae at Module:Location map/data/Greater Europe. That module was created with the edit summary "may need some refining", so let's ping the module's creator: @Frietjes:. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:42, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

John of Reading and Theurgist, to calibrate the mapping, I need pairs of pixel coordinates in the image corresponding to lat,lon pairs. I find that the easiest are "border triple points", and it's very helpful to have the points spread over the map so that it's not being calibrated for one small region. I won't be able to seriously work on this until tomorrow. Frietjes (talk) 19:51, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

@Frietjes and John of Reading: In fact I made the map like a month ago, but decided to wait for certain championships to finish so I can post an updated version. In the preview, it all seemed fine initially, but at some point the dots shifted (there are other, less obvious but still evident examples). I was hoping the glitch wouldn't show up once the map was actually posted, but it did. Meanwhile, Module:Location map/data/Greater Europe hasn't been modified since its creation in 2017, so the problem might be elsewhere. --Theurgist (talk) 00:09, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

On second thought, it may have been the regular Europe map (File:Europe blank laea location map.svg) that I used initially. Still, the Greater Europe map would be better because it displays Baku and all of Azerbaijan. --Theurgist (talk) 15:41, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

When will my article be published?

Hello, I made an article almost 1 month ago (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Erik_Stark). How do I know when it will be published? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Squaduser (talk • contribs) 11:46, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Squaduser You have not formally submitted the draft for review. I will add the appropriate information to allow you to do so. Once you submit it, it will likely take several weeks if not a few months, as there are thousands of drafts awaiting review by volunteers, who review them in no particular order. 331dot (talk) 11:54, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Contributions

Sorry, but please can you tell me what the numbers in the contributions page mean (eg. -13, +287), and if you collect a certain number of these points, does this benefit you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.207.172.100 (talk) 13:52, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

It is not 'points'; it is the number of bytes added or removed with that edit. The number of bytes is roughly the same as the number of characters in the edit, but not exactly. 331dot (talk) 13:56, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

It's the number of bytes that changed in the article. For instance, if you change "Ford" to "Reagan", you'll get +2. It's only a rough indication; you could change "good" to "evil" and still get zero. It doesn't mean anything in terms that benefit a particular person. But you can award yourself virtual awards (like the one on the top right of my user page) by reaching certain levels in the number of edits you make. See Wikipedia:Service awards for more information. ubiquity (talk) 14:01, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Getting page protected quickly

I have saved a page from vandalism 6 times in a few minutes. Need it protected quickly. Check history logs. https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_university_and_college_schools_of_music&action=history Elijahandskip (talk) 14:26, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Elijahandskip To request page protection, please make a report at WP:RFPP. 331dot (talk) 14:27, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Elijahandskip In addition, when there is only one single user vandalising the page repeatedly, admins will usually not protect it but block the user. Don't forget to warn the vandal (in this particular case I've warned them now) and then report them to WP:AIV if they don't stop with the vandalism after a final warning. --bonadea contributions talk 14:32, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick responses. 1 question I do have is how to warn an "IP" user. Since they do not have a talk page.Elijahandskip (talk) 14:34, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Elijahandskip IP users have talk pages. In this case, User talk:194.80.135.68. 331dot (talk) 14:35, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

I got it. When I clicked on the user name in the history, it took me to a "user Contributions" page. I did not see the "Talk" that was directly next to their ip/name. Thanks for the help.Elijahandskip (talk) 14:38, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Raymond Moloney

There is a stub page about this person but I am convinced I have seen one with much more detail. I was hoping to contribute to the page but it's really not there any more! It seems like most of the content on the page was deleted. is this possible? I don't know much about how Wikipedia works but there's not much point in contributing if things can be randomly deleted like this...Ruth Billheimer, Bradford (talk) 14:26, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Ruth Billheimer, Bradford, looking at the page's history, there doesn't seem to have been any content removed since it was created in 2005. Are you sure it was this page?

There is a button to see the page history next to the read and edit buttons in the top right of the page.

Although it didn't seem to be the case here, edits can be reverted. This is done if the edits don't meet Wikipedia policy - most often this is the verifiability policy. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 14:56, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict)​You can click on View history and click on the dates to see the older versions of a page. This article has always been a stub since its creation in 2005. Do feel free to add content to the page, if you cite reliable sources your additions are unlikely to ever be removed. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:00, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you both. Ruth Billheimer, Bradford (talk) 15:21, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

I was sent a message that was most likely for someone else

I'm not sure what the correct way to reference the message I received was, but the header was User talk:77.69.211.63

The message itself said: "August 2019 Information icon Hello, I'm Serols. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions —specifically this edit to Shia in Bahrain— because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help desk. Thanks. Serols (talk) 13:58, 10 August 2019 (UTC)"

I never edited any wiki pages, especially about Shias. It's not something I have much of an attitude regarding. I do spend time in Bahrain. I don't know if it's possible to share an ip adress with someone else? I'm not loggd in as anything so I figure that was the only possible method to discern who the message was sent to.

I just thought I'd try get in contact to let whomever this concerns know. Im not sure this is the right way to do so but I don't have much time to research into it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.69.211.63 (talk) 16:49, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

IP addresses are often used by multiple people. If you don't want to get messages that aren't meant for you, you should create an account. 331dot (talk) 16:54, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

The message on the IP's user talk page continues by saying: "If this is a shared IP address, and you did not make the edits referred to above, consider creating an account for yourself or logging in with an existing account so that you can avoid further irrelevant notices." To avoid confusion caused by sharing an IP address, the best thing is to create an account for yourself. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:55, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. When somebody does not create and login to an account (like you), there is no way to contact them except by the IP address they were using: in this case 77.69.211.63. Unfortunately, many IP addresses are not fixed: even if you are using the same computer on the same network as last week, your network may have allocated you a different IP address. Conversely, somebody using the same or a different computer (but probably on the same network) in August was allocated the same IP address as you are using now. So that message was indeed not aimed at you, but there is no way to track down the person who made those edits in August. This is one of the reasons for creating an account: you will only get the messages intended for you. --ColinFine (talk) 16:59, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Change in title of a submitted article

I have misspelled the title of the article that I have submitted. I would kindly request if I can be guided with the procedure to correct it.

Nomad Shukla (talk) 16:50, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Nomad Shukla The title can be changed by moving the article to the correct title. You can request this at Requested Moves. 331dot (talk) 16:56, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

I have moved your draft from your sandbox page to Draft:Videsh Seva Medal. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:58, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Change title page

Hi, I would need to change the title of this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Admiral_Trophy

It is a tennis tournament that was named after the former sponsor and is now called "Marbella Tennis Open". You can confirm it on the official website: www.marbellachallenger.com

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Montynegro50 (talk • contribs) 16:51, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Montynegro50,  Done. - I've had a look at the sources, which seem to support the name having been changed, so I've moved the page. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 16:55, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Question About Guideline About UK Nationality

A question has just arisen about a politician who lives in (and was born in) the northern part of Great Britain. What guideline specifies whether we should refer to her as Scottish or as British, because both are correct? The same question can also be asked about residents of the southern part of the island, in and around London, or of a western peninsula of the island. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:26, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

We generally call them British. I'm not sure there is a policy on this though. It's quite a touchy subject (myself, I prefer to be called English). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

That may depend on what the politician calls herself, depending on whether she supports staying in or leaving the United Kingdom. There isn't a policy but there is an essay at Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom. That essay suggests "British politician from Scotland" in such cases. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:07, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: Some advice is given in the essay Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom. There are a lot of UK-nationality warriors about, and usage depends mainly on establishing consensus for individual articles. Deor (talk) 18:07, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Deor. Maybe that essay should be raised to the status of a guideline? In any case, the politician in question has the ambition to be Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, and I think that she is therefore a British politician from Scotland. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:12, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Simple English Wikipedia and user scripts

I currently use a lot of user scripts when working on the English Wikipedia. Will these same user scripts work on the Simple English Wikipedia? Also, would I get a faster response at the Teahouse or the help desk? IMPORTANT: When you answer my question, please ping me in your response. Interstellarity (talk) 13:09, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

​Most userscripts will work, but not all. I think Twinkle only works on enwiki, it depends on whether they use local templates (like Twinkle does for warning) or whether they depend on namespaces not being localized. You can load individual scripts from enwiki (or your entire common.js file) by adding mw.loader.load( "https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Interstellarity/common.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript" ); in simple:User:Interstellarity/common.js. You can also use the same format to load scripts in meta:User:Interstellarity/global.js which will load the scripts for all Wikimedia sites. The response time is similar for both the Teahouse and Help desk, the simple questions get quick answers. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:55, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Þjarkur, I think Twinkle works on the Simple English Wikipedia. However, I can't use Twinkle yet because I am not yet autoconfirmed there. However, when I try to use user scripts there, none of them work. Why is that? Interstellarity (talk) 15:05, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

​Oh, it's apparently not possible to load your entire common.js since importScript uses local paths. But this should work for individual scripts: mw.loader.load( "https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:AutoEd/complete.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript" );. From your common.js, these won't work elsewhere: Adminhighlighter, DiscussionCloser, StubSorter, teahouse scripts, rater, and MoveToDraft. Proabaly a few others that won't work. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:10, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Þjarkur, I would like to start contributing to the Simple English Wikipedia. What are some of the limitations it has compared to the English Wikipedia? Interstellarity (talk) 15:17, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

​Technical wise there aren't any limitations, but some processes may differ a bit so the userscripts aren't tailored to it. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:23, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: Remember, each Wikipedia has its own rules and guidelines. If you need help with the Simple Engligh Wikipedia, you should ask there. I think this is the help desk equivalent: [1] RudolfRed (talk) 20:51, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia store

Does Wikipedia sell merchandise that benefits Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.234.49 (talk) 18:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, according to the FAQ. To see the merch go to https://store.wikimedia.org/. theinstantmatrix (talk) 18:49, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Click 'Wikipedia store' in the 'toolbar' top left of any Wikipedia page. Eagleash (talk) 03:48, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

My wikipedia page disappeared

Hi, I'm Vernon robinson former elected official. There was a wikipedia page about me that various editors from right center and left fought over. I thought the wars were over until yesterday my daughter informed me my page is gone. This is not a good time. My book is coming out on Jan7 and is already available in pre-order on Amazon. Help. vrobinson679 at gmail 45.49.50.26 (talk) 21:25, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm afraid we cannot restore the article for this purpose. I'm assuming you intended to use the article to advertise your book, which is against policy. MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 21:26, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

It was deleted after a proper deletion discussion. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vernon Robinson. Drmies (talk) 21:27, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello Mr. Robinson, the reason the page was deleted is here. Also, Wikipedia isn't meant to be another way to advertise yourself. Based on your comment about a book coming out, you seem to think this is the case. The encyclopedia is here for knowledge, it isn't here to be used as a personal website.HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 21:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Edit button not available

I am trying to edit a certain page, but it happens to be the only page that the edit tab does not show up for me. Is this page somehow restricted in who can edit it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TierraPeerman (talk • contribs) 21:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

@TierraPeerman: Probably under some level of protection, yes. That said, there's no way for anyone to confirm with any certainty whether that is the case without knowing the page involved. AddWittyNameHere 21:40, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

GENRE missing from table of American films

Hello, DAC8190 here, about 6 months ago I commented to someone about the fact that the GENRE column had been removed from the List_of_American_films_of_2019. Shortly after that post (not sure how to find it again?!) it was restored.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_films_of_2019 Looking at the 2020 list I see it is missing. How do I get in contact with the editors of that 2020 list and again point out that GENRE is important? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_films_of_2020 Thanks! DAC8190 — Preceding unsigned comment added by DAC8190 (talk • contribs) 22:12, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

@DAC8190: Best next step is to start a discussion on that article's talk page, or be WP:BOLD and add it yourself. RudolfRed (talk) 22:44, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Funding

How could something as worldwide known about run out of money for funding . the amount of money you guys could have raised from advertising could have bought a lot of homeless persons homes .there not a big enough spectrum to describe how stupid the smartest page in the world has been.... Why? ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.202.176.235 (talk) 22:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

See WP:PEREN#Advertising for why we don't use advertising. --ColinFine (talk) 22:49, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

2 questions

I am planning to make a few articles about some schools in my area. A: they have a website each by the school board. Is it notable? And B: how do I save my draft? I use a mobile browser. — Preceding unsigned comment added by New3400 (talk • contribs) 22:46, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, New3400. Since notability depends on what published source unconnected with the subject say about it, it makes no difference whether or not they have their own websites: very little information in the article should come from those websites. What have newspapers, books from reputable publishers said about the schools? It's also worth having a look at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. --ColinFine (talk) 22:53, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, New3400, missed your other question. You save anything on Wikipedia by the "Publish" button. If it is a draft, it will not be published in the main space, and indexed so that it is readily found; but it will be published in the sense that everything in Wikipedia may be viewed by anybody - that is why "save" was changed to "publish" a while ago. --ColinFine (talk) 22:56, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Well, um. Nothing in books, and in a newspaper, it said a dude died from the middle school, I have knowledge of it. Is it okay to make it or no? It's not that well known. New3400 (talk) 23:02, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

If you can find enough information about the school in reliably published sources, independent of the school, to establish notability, then by all means, create a draft using the article wizard, New3400 (I really don't advise trying to create an article directly in main space). If you can't find enough information, then you will be wasting your time trying. The fact that somebody died probably isn't enough to make it notable, though it could be. --ColinFine (talk) 00:00, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Would the website from the school board count? It is neutral.New3400 (talk) 02:17, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

The specific guidelines are here: Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools -- which essentially states that schools are treated the same as other types of organizations as far as notability is concerned. The school board website would be okay as a source of information, but (most likely) not sufficient to provide notability. It is certainly okay to try submitting an article -- but don't take it personally if your submission is declined . 107.15.157.44 (talk) 06:47, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

The school website operated by the school board would not establish notability, as it is the group that operates the school telling about the school. Most elementary and other lower level schools below high school don't merit articles; even Sandy Hook Elementary School does not merit an article(it redirects to the article about the school district). 331dot (talk) 10:49, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

December 7

How to create a newsletter

Hi friends,

I like to create a newsletter for my WikiProject so contributors can subscribe, how do I do it? The mw:Extension:Newsletter and mw:Extension:MassMessage seems not enabled in EN or META.

Or, it could be because I am not admin so I can't access Special:CreateNewsletter

xinbenlv ^{Talk, Remember to "ping" me} 02:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

The MassMessage Extension is enabled, as you can see on Special:Version. However, we cannot see how the extension is configured. To create a MassMessage recipient list, you would have to go to Special:CreateMassMessageList as an admin. For other ways, please see mw:Help:Extension:MassMessage#Creating delivery lists. Come back here if you have any problems. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:30, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Table help

I made a table in User:Melofors/sandbox#Minecraft servers, which doesn't seem to be working. It was working perfectly fine a few edits ago, as you can see here. Can someone please fix this? Thank you in advance! Melofors 07:42, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

 Fixed — It was a missing end-slash-character (syntax delimiter) from <ref name="kotaku"> 107.15.157.44 (talk) 08:09, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Turns out it was not a missing slash (which wouldn't make much sense in a markup opening tag anyway) but rather a whole missing closing ref tag - see special:diff/929669076#History. --CiaPan (talk) 14:21, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
(Ping User:Melofors. CiaPan (talk) 14:23, 7 December 2019 (UTC))

(The missing slash fixed the table; the missing </ref> fixed the references). 2606:A000:1126:28D:E579:84AC:9408:ADE (talk) 17:12, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text

Hello. Really Really Really small mistake. In the Wikipedia page Most Disliked YouTube videos it says something along the lines of

“ PewDiePie achieved a video in the top 5 by specifically asking his own viewers to dislike his video.[15]”

But his video is now the 6th most liked video and it still has not been fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.100.172.252 (talk) 11:53, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Creating new categories

I've come across a group of articles that it might be useful to have a category for (Category:Photo League members, which would be under Category:American_photography_organizations). I've looked around but been unable to find a discussion page for new categories, or somewhere where one would propose them. Could you tell me the typical process? It is just WP:BEBOLD?ThatMontrealIP (talk) 12:03, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: Catgorization is for particular user communities, so a "process" for category creation doesn't make a lot of sense: you need agreement among the affected community. I would just be bold, but if you can think of any possible reason someone would disagree, use the talk page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Photography to build consensus. -Arch dude (talk) 15:42, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

I want to create a new page 'নিতাই বসু' but it is showing restricted to administrators

I am trying to create a page on 'নিতাই বসু' নিতাই বসু, but I got the following message:

"The page title or edit you have tried to create has been restricted to administrators at this time. It matches an entry on the local or global blacklists, which is usually used to prevent vandalism. If you receive this message when trying to edit, create or move an existing page, follow these instructions:

Any administrator can create or move this page for you. Please post a request at the Administrators' noticeboard. You may also contact any administrator on their talk page or by email. Be sure to specify the exact title (especially by linking it) of the page you are trying to create or edit, and if it might be misunderstood (for example, an article with an unusual name), consider explaining briefly what you want to do. If you wrote any text, save it temporarily on your computer until you can edit the page."

Ipcould not figure out exactly where to ask for help, so I ended up here. I have already written the text in my personal sandbox [2]. Please let me know how to proceed to create the page নিতাই বসু.

Thanks, Nilotpal.sanyal (talk) 12:06, 7 December 2019 (UTC) Nilotpal

You are currently on the English version of Wikipedia. As the article is written in a foreign language, it wouldn't be suitable for this version. However, Wikipedia is written in hundreds of languages! You would be best placed to add your article to a different language wiki. Google translate told me the words were in Bengali, which the Wikipedia for this language can be found at bn.wikipedia. This might be wrong, but the main page has links to all different versions of Wikipedia, and would be the location for an article written in another language. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:18, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

I would add to the excellent advice above that each language version of Wikipedia is its own individual project, each with their own editors, policies, and requirements. 331dot (talk) 15:46, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

My correction to calories in Honey page was reverted to wrong info

I was researching sugars (proportions glucose, fructose, etc.) in various sweeteners and I noticed that contrary to other sources the Wikipedia Honey page stated 46 calories per TB. Further it was footnoted to a reference-- which I visited-- wherein it shows 63.8 kcal per TB. I assumed the wiki page showed a transcription error having reversed 64 to 46. I edited to show 64. I did not footnote my change, as the footnote in place goes to data that substantiates the changed data.

as per [8] https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/?query=ndbNumber:19296 https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/169640/nutrients (showing 1 TB)

This number is not in dispute and the number I changed was not consistent with the attached footnote.

I received a message on my next visit to wikipedia stating my edit has been reverted back to the incorrect info as it "was not helpful".

As many people use wikipedia as a reference I believe it is important to fix the matter.

What further action can I take?

2601:982:8201:174:CCB1:D42C:2684:6494 (talk) 17:58, 7 December 2019 (UTC)Sherry

Your edit was perfect and thanks for helping. However, you did not add an edit summary, so your edit looked like a very common type of vandalism: a "drive-by" change to a number by an anonymous user without any explanation. Our over-worked anti-vandalism patrollers do not have time to carefully check references in a case like this. Please try again, but with an edit summary this time. -Arch dude (talk) 20:29, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

A helpful edit summary in such a case might read "fix typo: number as in source cited". Maproom (talk) 21:26, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Did not create the page

Hi, There's inaccurate information on my page that someone created. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Chan_(chemist) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:151B:1FE5:49E2:DDD9:C4E:56B (talk) 18:38, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Please detail the incorrect information, either here, or on the article talk page. Please also provide any independent reliable sources you have to support it if needed. If you are Julia Chan, I would suggest that you create an account and demonstrate your identity to Wikipedia by emailing the address written at WP:REALNAME.

If the information is libelous and needs to be addressed as soon as practicable, please follow the instructions at WP:LIBEL. 331dot (talk) 18:49, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Are you Julia Chan? If so, you have a conflict of interest and shouldn't edit the article directly. Instead you should post suggested changes on the talk page Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:53, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Please also note that it's not your page. It is Wikipedia's article about you, and you have no control over it. However, if there is unreferenced inaccurate information on that page, you are free to remove it immediately and without discussion (see WP:BLP). For any other changes, since you have an unavoidable conflict of interest (see WP:COI), please make suggestions for change, with references, on the article's talk page. We really do want the info to be correct. -Arch dude (talk) 20:22, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

As Arch dude pointed out above, you should not edit the article about yourself, as you did in these four edits. --CiaPan (talk) 21:05, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Naming vs. Consistency & Constant updates

Hi, I'm going to lump 2 questions in here, there's probably no complete consensus, but if someone can help summarise best practice (and point to any policies/guidelines that clearly answer them, I may have missed something).

• I saw a move request at Talk:Pedro_Carlos_of_Orléans-Braganza and found WP:NCNT which isn't too clear about royal families that have no kingdom anymore (Brazil would be an empire, and 'prince' wouldn't be the monarch, although 'prince imperial' would). The problem is that we now have various articles about the family titled prince so and so (compounded by the fact there appear to be two different branches) whilst others (per WP:COMMONNAME) don't use 'prince'. A sub-question is if there is any specific WP:N rule for 'royalty', as some of these people don't have WP:SIGCOV to establish WP:N, at least not in English WP:RS.
• Another question that has cropped up has to do with updating information (e.g. youtube hits, song sales, etc.) Take for example Team_Trees which has a daily-updated table of how much this project has raised. This seems to head too far into WP:TRIVIA, but I'd like to know if there's a hard and fast policy/guideline/consensus.

Thanks all. (not watching, please ping) - ChrisWar666 (talk) 20:02, 7 December 2019 (UTC) Hmmm, another one:

• Partly to do with the question about updating, what about links to videos (e.g. for music) and itunes/amazon/shops throughout articles? From what I understand, they serve as references to themselves (although not preferred), but what about other situations? music videos on songs, for example? references to people's dates of birth? Any help/consensus? - ChrisWar666 (talk) 14:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Quit asking me for money

If you are going to be rude to me as well as call people names (which is just rude to begin with) with no proof to uphold calling names, which is somewhat childish. I have donated in the past but if I am continued to be treated rude in any way, I certainly will not donate again and I work at a Government job and can easily spread your wrongdoings.KimNFred (talk) 21:03, 7 December 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by KimNFred (talk • contribs) 20:11, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

KimNFred You can disable the donation request banners in your Preferences. I don't see where you were called a name or had rudeness directed at you, but if you continue with the attitude you showed to Muboshgu, you might find yourself blocked. This is a collaborative environment where you must work with others who may disagree with you. Understand that Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state. By the way, if your username is meant to suggest that two people have access to your account, you will need to change your username. 331dot (talk) 20:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Actually, that's OogaBoogaa, who has been "signing" edits with the fictitious username KimNFred. I've blocked OogaBoogaa as a disruptive editor. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:58, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

​They had their username changed from "KimNFred" to "OogaBoogaa" yesterday since they had gotten a warning for having a username implying shared use. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:54, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

enabling visual editor?

I'm helping out with an editathon this week, is VE not automatically enabled on new accounts? Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide indicates you must enable it in preferences -- is that just out of date? --valereee (talk) 21:12, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

​The source editor is the default one, but when they click on Edit they are presented with "Welcome, do you want to switch to the Visual editor?". – Thjarkur (talk) 21:27, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Þjarkur, thanks! --valereee (talk) 21:35, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

December 8

Capitalizing main title

Hello,

On the page Association of Independent Evangelical Lutheran Churches, how does one capitalize the "I" in Independent and the "E" in Evangelical as that is the full name of the church and should be capitalized?

The Wiki page link is

Thank you for your help and assistance.

James W. Clifton — Preceding unsigned comment added by James Walter Clifton (talk • contribs) 00:20, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

@James Walter Clifton: You need to move the page to a title with those words capitalised. Danski454 (talk) 00:25, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

• Note: Fixed by OP. Eagleash (talk) 05:52, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Approved

Hello, may I please get in touch with an Administrator to get the role Approved. I recently had an account that was attached to my School Network. All accounts tied to it got revoked and I do not remember my username. I have made over 10 edits on this account already, however, and requested on the Approved Requests Page and got the bot said I already have the role which I don't. Thanks, AwesomeJedi (talk) 00:50, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

@AwesomeJedi: Actually, that response was to the user above you. Please do consider the advice given at the Teahouse and use the AfC process to create the article instead of trying (probably unsuccessfully) to get confirmed early. The advice is sound – creating an article is one of the hardest things to do successfully, and you may not enjoy the experience without the guidance of the editors at AfC that are specifically looking to work with new content creators. Thanks for listening. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:59, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

miss missouri usa 2020

the photo of megan renee kelly is not the correct person — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.131.166.254 (talk) 02:13, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Miss_Missouri_USA Does not have a photo of Megan Kelly. Which article are you referring to? If you saw it in a Google search, then that is something from Google and not Wikipedia. RudolfRed (talk) 02:43, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Proper cite and how to update existing.

Two part question.

1. What is the correct cite for this source?:

• ICTUR; et al., eds. (2005). Trade Unions of the World (6th ed.). London, UK: John Harper Publishing. ISBN 0-9543811-5-7. {{cite book}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |editor= (help)

My web research does not find editors for the 6th edition. ICTUR is the publisher for the 7th (2016) edition. And I have found editors for it.

2. There are over 100 articles that cite this source. They are the majority of the articles listed in Category:CS1 errors: explicit use of et al. I assume there are apps, I think Wikipedia calls them bots, that can be used to update a group of articles. What is the name of an appropriate bot and where do I find out about it? --User-duck (talk) 05:39, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Answers:

1. If you do not know who edited the 6th edition, omit |editors=. The error message in the above citation is present because 'et al.' is not an editor's name. When there are editors whose names are not included in the citation, use |display-editors=etal. I would write:

   {{cite book |year=2005 |title=Trade Unions of the World |edition=6th |publisher=John Harper Publishing |location=London |isbn=0-9543811-5-7}}

   Trade Unions of the World (6th ed.). London: John Harper Publishing. 2005. ISBN 0-9543811-5-7.

2. For only a hundred or so articles you might make a request at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks; perhaps someone there would be interested in using WP:AWB to help clear that category.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:52, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Promotion

Please promote me to a Confirmed User role. I qualify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J.Turner99 (talk • contribs) 10:24, 8 December 2019 (UTC) J.Turner99 I have also done numerous contributions via ip before my account was created. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J.Turner99 (talk • contribs) 11:22, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

@J.Turner99: You can make a request at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions but you have to state the reason for requesting it. You will be autoconfirmed anyway in two days. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:07, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

The Suzuki article has a big red error message on it, right at the top— Preceding unsigned comment added by AlainV (talk • contribs) 8 December 2019 14:33 (UTC)

@AlainV:  Fixed (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Please provide a link to any pages you need help with. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 14:47, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't know what kind of status this page had. --AlainV (talk) 18:52, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Adding a reference without a weblink

I am trying to add references which are newspaper cuttings, for which I have the JPG file. I do not want the JPG file to be displayed on the wikipedia page, rather to just appear in the references section as a link.

The method I have tried is as follows. I upload the JPG file to flickr.com, get the link, and then add < ref >http://weblink...< /ref > in the body of the article. This worked fairly well last night, but when I view it this morning the size is way too big and I see no way of automatically getting it to be the correct size.

What I would rather do is use wikipedia's file command which is clearly is much richer in features, however I am not sure how to add a file without it being displayed on the page (ie. having the user have to click on it to view it). Nor do I know how to get it into the References section. How is this done? Acferrad (talk) 15:18, 8 December 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acferrad (talk • contribs) 15:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

@Acferrad: There is no requirement for a reference to have a web link, so this doesn't matter. If the newspaper article was published after 1924, then it is still still copyrighted unless you have evidence otherwise, and you have no license to copy it to anywhere on the web. We enforce this rule on Wikimedia and wikicommons by deleting such files when we find them. We also do not permit links to material on the web that violate copyright. -Arch dude (talk) 15:40, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Also: in this era of Photoshop, we do not regard scans of clippings and the like as reliable sources. As Arch dude says, just reference the original article in its original appearance, with suitable level of detail to enable the reader to trace it. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:52, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

I think I worked out how to do it. All my cuttings are before 1924. For the cuttings I have the references for, I will include these. Acferrad (talk) 16:01, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Only log out of account on one session

I have recently been switching accounts a bunch; I just did the trial for my now-approved bot. However, because I use Firefox normally but it doesn't support one feature I need for the bot, some edits I did using the same code (each was manually approved) to test outside of the trial needed to be on Chrome. When I logged out of my main account on Chrome, it automatically logged me out of all my devices. Is there any setting to make it not do this? It's pretty annoying. DemonDays64 (talk) 16:39, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

​Not possible, sadly, apard from clearing local browser cookies instead of clicking on Log Out – Thjarkur (talk) 16:48, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

The Cerise Moth

NEED INFO ON THE CERISE MOTH,Y DON'T YOU HAVE ANY?CAN U CREATE A PAGE FOR THE CERISE MOTH — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panthra79 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Panthra79, please keep discussions in one place. There are now responses to your post at the Teahouse. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 19:08, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Questions Regarding Process and Protocols for Dispute Resolutions & Anonymity for Editors

I'm new to Wikipedia editing and, admittedly, have much to learn about this process.

Question #1: When there is a dispute regarding a page (under New Section), who ultimately decides how that dispute is resolved? Is it resolved by a committee that reaches consensus? Or some other process? Who is on the committee, if that is the remedy? What is the criteria for becoming an editor with editorial control over protected pages? Are there any transparency requirements for such editors to identify by name and bio who they are? If not, why not? Has there been any deep discussion about the problematic nature of having anonymous editors with editorial control over a site designed to engage democratic participation?

Question #2: What can be done about the Sister Cities California page that is out of date and needs serious updating. It is a transcluded document and cannot be edited. Help!

Ah, never mind, no worries. A friend is teaching me how to update the sister cities CA page by using the code. Fingers crossed. LOl.Marcywinograd (talk) 22:44, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your guidance. Marcywinograd (talk) 19:15, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

​Someone else will hopefully explain question #1, but regarding #2: You can edit List of sister cities in California by clicking on the pencil icon in the top right corner when editing, that will switch over to the Source Editor which is better equipped to editing that particular page. The problem with that page is that the lists are inside {{colbegin}} and {{colend}}, which the Visual Editor doesn't know how to handle. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:43, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

@Marcywinograd: For #1: please try hard to reach consensus via a discussion on the talk page. Please start by assuming the we are all here to build the best encyclopedia we can (see WP:AGF) even, (or especially) if the other party is being unreasonable. Only after that has failed, then proceed to WP:DISPUTE. -Arch dude (talk) 20:10, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Marcywinograd, there are no "committees" associated with articles and any editor is welcome to participate in discussions about article improvement. If an article is protected at a certain level, then only editors who meet the requirements of that protection level can edit the article directly. Read Wikipedia:Protection policy for all the details. Semi-protection is the most common, and that limits editing to registered accounts at least four days old with at least ten edits. This deters casual "drive by" vandalism and disruption by IPs and throw-away accounts. No editor nor any administrator has any "editorial control" over any page, although more experienced editors who have a deep understanding of policies and guidelines are often more influential in discussions. The basic way of resolving disputes is talk page discussion among interested editors leading to consensus. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:03, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Cullen and Thjarkur, for your insights and guidance. Yes, the talk page is best, absolutely, for resolving differences. In terms of the Sister Cities page, if I don't know how to use anything but the visual editor, I'm assuming I can't edit the page. Is there some way to start over with that list--because it must be incredibly out of date.Marcywinograd (talk) 21:28, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

​I've removed the columns from List of sister cities in California so you should be able to edit it freely. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:29, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Thjarkur, for your efforts to make this easy for me. I'm afraid I'm only botching it up, so I am going to stop and just work on putting together (in a file on my computer) an updated list of sister cities for CA. Then, perhaps my friend who is adept with software and code can help me enter it correctly. As of now, when I insert new sister cities without the code, using only the visual editor, I don't get the flag icon for that respective city--so it doesn't match what's there, format-wise. Marcywinograd (talk) 00:53, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

​Not adding the flags is fine, minor formatting like that is usually resolved later by other passing editors. The main thing the article needs are inline citations. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:59, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Disabling "esc" key in rich text editor

I was a bit shocked recently to lose all my work editing page because I hit the Esc key. Is there a way to disable this behaviour? Stevage 22:33, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

​Does not appear to be possible (at least I wasn't able to solve this with a userscript). I try just to be careful to switch to the Source Editor every few minutes and save a backup on my computer. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:17, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Hmm, thank you. Switching to the source editor and back is a good idea. Stevage 01:45, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Why not these?

I noticed OANN. COM is described as "... an American right-wing to radical right wing pay television news channel"

Fix is described as, "... American conservative cable television news channel."

HOWEVER...

CNN nothing about its left leaning is the description.

MSNBC nothing about its MASSIVE FAR left leaning.

How about some balance here? Either remove the descriptors from OANN and fox or, add M to others.

The hypocrisy is not becoming — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:7930:4AC0:C007:F119:968B:BB33 (talk) 23:21, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia describes things as most independent reliable sources do. If you have independent reliable sources that describe CNN differently, please offer them. 331dot (talk) 23:28, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

December 9

Donation

Just a quick question why do you guys keep pinging me for a donation when I gave a donation just a week ago for $20 do I have to see the banners that ask for money every time or are you not able to recognize and IP address thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:347:4100:ADE0:F0C8:E220:BA90:946B (talk) 01:29, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

(1) None of us volunteers who do all the work on Wikipedia has any control whatever over the banners, they are set up by Wikipedia's host the Wikimedia Foundation whose website is at https://wikimediafoundation.org/, if you want to complain about it to them.

(2) It would be pointless to even try to recognize IP addresses in order to not show previous donators the banners, because:

(a) Many IP addresses, such as those of computers in libraries, schools and workplaces, have more (sometimes many more) than one user, so 'delisting' that IP after a donation would prevent many users from ever seeing the banners;

(b) Many IP address users (like myself) have dynamic IP addresses which their ISPs change at varying frequencies, reassigning them between their customers as convenient, so 'delisting' such an IP would

(i) prevent later assignees from seeing the banners at all, and

(ii) would not prevent a donator from seeing the banners after their IP changes.

(c) Banners can be permanently switched off by anyone with a User account, which is trivial to set up and doesn't commit one to anything, so one could do so for that purpose alone;

(d) Most people like myself who do see the banners aren't annoyed by them and don't find the single click needed to close them particularly onerous;

(e) Since using Wikipedia is completely free of charge, unlike many comparable websites, having to see a banner occasionally (Oh noes!!1!) can be thought of as a teeny tiny usage fee.

Hope that gives you some food for thought. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.217.209.178 (talk) 02:06, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Move article/Change display title

I am updating the Resilience (engineering and construction) article to include a broader range of ideas about resilience. I would like to change the title to Resilience in the Built Environment but have not been able to. How can I know the reasoning for that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resilience_(engineering_and_construction)

Ghaliaamm (talk) 02:10, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Ghaliaamm

To change the title of a page use the move function. However, this is only available to autoconfirmed users, users with an account at least 4 days old, who have made at least 10 edits. In any case, that is a sufficiently major change that I urge you to discuss it on the article talk page first (Talk:Resilience (engineering and construction). You will find detailed procedures to follow at Requested moves. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 04:08, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

you people have got to be out of your minds

everytime I search for stats ('x' vs. 'y') I get charts that don't match up. 'x' has one type of chart, and 'y' has a complete other. Sometimes the info I'm looking for may be in 'x' but missing in 'y' (on the same page). If you'd like, I can send you examples as I run into them again. Then, your info is not as correct as you might think; and 70% is not a good grade. If you think I'm gonna pay for 70% of any product that professes to be a pedia, you're nuts. I tell all my students that if they site Wikipedia in their reports, instead of the correct sites, they will get no better than a 70%. Truth on the internet is hard enough to find without you all selling 70% as an ok truth. That, my friends, is a lie. 70% of anything is a lie, a conjecture, a theory, a guess. And now, students are being sent into the work force feeling that the truth is something to be trifled with. No, I will not support your misleading website. I am ashamed of you. BTW- 70% of this text is misspelled, or otherwise misorganized. I suggest you just go ahead and accept it. I really do have a lot more to say, but this will suffice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.33.242.191 (talk) 03:01, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

This is the Wikipedia help desk. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? -Arch dude (talk) 03:46, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

shock and awe

Hello,

As a follow up to my earlier question this morning, who wrote the bible? Who leaves a relationship and who stays, does the one who leaves the relationship the one you don't want? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.231.106.50 (talk) 05:37, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

This is the Wikipedia help desk. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? -Arch dude (talk) 05:42, 9 December 2019 (UTC)