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January 14

Thanking Editors

When clicking the "thank" link, I'm asked to confirm that I want to "publicly send thanks". How, exactly, is it public? I've found no means of seeing who thanked whom. Am I missing something, or is this just a general warning that it potentially could become publicly visible at some future point in time?Quickfix333 (talk) 02:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Quickfix333: Special:Log/thanks (which is at the Page tab → Page logs → All logs). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:21, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Good to know, thanks. Quickfix333 (talk) 03:16, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Application of "Subsequent use" style guideline for people's names

Is the subject's name in the lead of a biographical article considered "initial mention" for purposes of WP style guidelines? Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Subsequent use says, "After the initial mention, a person should generally be referred to by surname only, ..." I ask that question after an edit changed the beginning of the "Early life" section of William Hartnell from "Hartnell" to "William Henry Hartnell" with the edit summary "Restore full name to first section, as it is the first usage outside of lead." Eddie Blick (talk) 02:06, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Teblick, The lead does not count for initial mention. Generally, someone's full birth name will be noted in the Early life section (with some exceptions of course), and just surname from there. But their name should also be listed in the lead, as a lead should summarize an article, and present no new information. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 03:15, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, CaptainEek; I appreciate your clarification. I wish the style guide had specified that the lead does not count. I tend to read things literally, so I didn't realize that an exception exists. Eddie Blick (talk) 03:24, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@CaptainEek: are you sure? Where are you getting this information from? In the absence of a conflicting guideline, why are you concluding "initial mention" actually means "initial mention outside the lead"? (Courtesy ping Eddie Blick) – Teratix ₵ 03:42, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Teratix, Ya know, I could be wrong here, perhaps its me that has misinterpreted the guideline. But I've seen it the way I suggest more than the other. Perhaps that just means that such pages are out of MOS compliance, but I think the MOS does need clarifying in that case. For example, Donald Trump's article lists his full name at the beginning of the lead, and also at the beginning of the early life section. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 03:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

I read through several FAs; they mostly, though not exclusively, employ CaptainEek’s style. I personally dislike it, as it seems browbeating to present the same information twice to the reader. – Teratix ₵ 04:11, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Teratix, This could probably warrant a request for comment, or at least a discussion on the MOS page, as there is some uncertainty here. While I do it my way(cus I thought it was policy tbh, but now see that policy is vague), I agree that it does kinda feel like browbeating. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 04:36, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

I have opened such a discussion at MOSBIO talk. – Teratix ₵ 05:43, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for starting that discussion, Teratix. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:31, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

State and local political sex scandals in the United States

This page is incomplete and misleading. For instance, David Dreier never served in state or local government, yet he is on this page. Also, the scandal that landed him on a page like this does not meet the definition of scandal laid out on the Federal sex scandal page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mediaexpert3 (talk • contribs) 06:32, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mediaexpert3. I have removed Dreier from that category, as no scandals are mentioned in his article.--Quisqualis (talk) 06:49, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Good work, thanks. He is also featured on the List of federal political sex scandals in the United States even though, like I said, his situation does not meet the criteria laid out as a "scandal." Shall I edit that page? Mediaexpert3 (talk) 07:06, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

You can edit Dreier's page. At the bottom, the categories are listed. Remove the federal sex scandal one.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:30, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Removing a Category does not affect a related List page. —Tamfang (talk) 02:51, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Redirect codes

I often see explanatory codes underneath the first line of Redirects. Where is there an explanation of these codes? If I am creating a redirect (and redirects are cheap, and are encouraged if they are useful), where is there information on which of these codes I should use? Robert McClenon (talk) 08:27, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Are you thinking of those listed at Template:R template index or more comprehensively at Wikipedia:Template messages/Redirect pages? --David Biddulph (talk) 08:43, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. The more comprehensive list. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:10, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

What to do?

Hi, I have been asked continuously to add award column (in infobox ) in Shamsheer Vayalil article. Though I think the anon. IP request is genuine (as per Template:Infobox) but I can't take any risk in adding the award column in infobox. Anyone interested then, help in sorting out this IP user problem. (Ankitroy1997 (talk) 10:17, 14 January 2020 (UTC))

@Ankitroy1997: You are the latest addition to an ever-increasing group of editors who have been repetitively asked by dynamic-IP editors to add unnecessary detail to the Shamsheer article. The talk page, as you have noted, reveals that the awards edit has been requested previously (possibly more than once) and been declined. If you do not wish to become involved, write a polite reply at your talk page to say so. There's no burden on you to make edits others request but aren't willing to learn to do themselves. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 11:11, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

In this case, there is a CIR/IDHT problem that caused them (a single IP editor comprising two young people) to be asked by someone last year to not edit the page themselves. They keep canvassing for new victims, who are usually sorry they responded, so I've tried to at least point new potential victims to the article talk page to see the history. Other solutions welcome. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 12:40, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Eagleash: They once again edited my talk page with the similar request.They also told that they want betterment of articles. They also know that I belong from India so, I think they find "brotherhood" in me. Their demand is to add awards column(Pravasi Bharatiya Samman,2014) in infobox. I also think their request is "genuine" this time(don't know about previous ones).

Till now I have only edited Madhuri Dixit article( interested in actors and actresses article) and that also in paragraph not in infobox. Editing infobox is a serious job because it's difficult to manage space there. I don't want to hurt them or anyone emotionally in the beginning or even in future. I have seen you and others have helped them a lot. Help them for the last time and think you are helping me instead. After this I'll also start ignoring their matter. Ankitroy1997 (talk) 13:32, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Ankitroy1997: If you want to do so, it's relatively simple to add the award to the infobox. If you click 'edit source', once the edit window opens you will see a line about 12-15 lines down 'awards ='. Leave a space after the equals sign and add the text. Preview it and publish if you are happy with it. However, other editors have felt it not to be notable and have declined it. If it is added again there's always the possibility that it will be removed. The IP-editor should not ask multiple editors for the same or similar edits. I don't think it could be considered canvassing but it's not really in the spirit of Wikipedia. (There's a 'loose' consensus that the award should not be included). Eagleash (talk) 14:49, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Eagleash: It that correct? Please see the article Shamsheer Vayalil and tell. I think I did it. Ankitroy1997 (talk) 15:04, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Not quite. I have fixed it as part of this edit. The 'pipe' (vertical line at the start of the row is vitally important). I have also removed 'residence' as it is an unsupported parameter. Eagleash (talk) 15:15, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Eagleash: Do you also find something wrong I mean to say it is "Pravasi Bharatiya saman" instead of Pravasi Bharatiya Samman (2014)? Ankitroy1997 (talk) 15:25, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes; you misspelled it and missed the capital S – and then came here to point out the error... !? I have fixed it... Eagleash (talk) 15:51, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Update/Delete faulty page

Hello, having problems with this Wikipedia page i made, it needs some agent updates. Because it is displaying a wrong message to people so i was asking how can i edit or delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orinea (talk • contribs) 12:10, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Orinea: Which "page", and what do you mean by "agent updates"? What are you seeing? The only recent edit by you appears to be to your User:Orinea/sandbox, to add File:Comedy Kings Network LOGO.png. BTW, where did you get that logo? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 12:50, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

There's also Draft:Comedy Kings Network which contains an error message. Details of how to fix it can be found at Template:Warning VisualEditor bug. Eagleash (talk) 14:27, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Orinea. I see that you uploaded the logo to Commons with a declaration that you are the copyright owner: this means that you have a Conflict of interest in writing about this organisation, and you are discouraged (though not forbidden) from writing about it. Further, If you receive remuneration from it in any way, you must comply with the policy on WP:paid editing.

The reason that editing with a COI is hard is that it is difficult to be neutral in tone. Remember that Wikipedia is really not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to say about it, and been published in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 14:29, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Orinea: Before you waste any more time on this, please read and study our notability requirements for organizations. See WP:NCORP. Really. I mean it. Wikipedia wants an article on every notable subject. Wikipedia does not want and will delete an article on any subject that is not notable by our definition, which is frustrating for you and irritating for us. None of the references in you current sandbox are suitable to establish notability. We end up deleting about 200 articles every day. You may be able to find a more appropriate web site for your material: see WP:OUT. -Arch dude (talk) 16:58, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Coppia Italia 2019 - 2020

There is no mention anywhere of Palermo, nor are shown on the map but, they are definitely in the competition so why have they been completely excluded? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.44.51.247 (talk) 14:58, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Where is your published reliable source that says they are in the tournament this year? Did their exclusion from Serie B not also exclude them from the Coppa Italia? --David Biddulph (talk) 15:13, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

How do I archive my user talk page?

My user talk page is getting a bit cluttered, and I want to archive it. How can I do so? Thanks! Félix An (talk) 15:06, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Start here Help:Archiving a talk page - X201 (talk) 15:08, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Félix An: I took the liberty of adding an archive box for you, but of course, you can get rid of it if you like! ——SN54129 15:12, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129: Thanks! Félix An (talk) 15:14, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

wikipedia page

Hello, I used to have a wikipedia page and I see that it has disappeared. How can I find it with all the contents that were on it? It was well written so was wondering if it is in an archive somewhere. How can I get it back online?Mcbfr19 (talk) 15:43, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mcbfr19 and welcome to Wikipedia. Unfortunately, according to your stats, you haven't actually written any articles yet  :) perhaps you used a different account? It's very difficult identifying the article without a title, you see :) ——SN54129 15:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Mcbfr19: Do you mean that you were the subject of a Wikipedia article? If so we will need the name of the article to answer your question. -Arch dude (talk) 16:11, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Proofreading

How does anyone do proofreading on wiki sites? There are times i would like to help with this. I'm not perfect but have some background through a school newspaper. That was a long time ago so i am a little rusty but still think it is possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:38CA:9750:24C1:3B6B:16F8:5E2D (talk) 16:40, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for offering to help. You are free to just jump in and edit Wikipedia articles to improve them as you see fit. However the editors who enjoy this sort of work have formed a project and have a lot of information about their work. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. -Arch dude (talk) 17:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest in editing Wikipedia! It can always use more copyeditors. I'd recommend you register an account, which will give you access to various gadgets and customizable settings that make life easier here. It also facilitates communication with other editors, an important part of our model. Please also see our Manual of Style. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 15:47, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikiredia

(This Help Desk is not really a suitable place for this question.) Does anyone know about Wikiredia? It's a mirror of Wikipedia, but unlike Wikipedia it allows Google to spider its talk pages. You might think it doesn't have talk pages, because its (copies of our) articles don't link to them; but I found it from a Google search which took me to one. Maproom (talk) 16:51, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

No, but from my first look it seems like a violation of Wikipedias license since there is no form of attribution(I'm on mobile right now, possible that I missed something, but I dont think so). Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:52, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Issues with a wikipedia help

Hello, my name is Alvaro Gonzalez. I am trying to solve issues with the following Wikipedia page Denise Rousseau, but I am unable to understand why they arise. Can someone help me?

Best regards. Alvaro — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlvaroGM88 (talk • contribs) 17:08, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@AlvaroGM88: Please read the links in the "issues" box on the page. Basically, Wikipedia needs secondary sources, not primary sources, and those secondary sources need to meet certain criteria: see WP:RS. -Arch dude (talk) 17:43, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Protected pages

I have done 25+ edits on wikipedia in just two days of joining. I also want to edit protected pages. What is the procedure for that? Ankitroy1997 (talk) 19:10, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Ankitroy1997, once your account is four days old, you should be able to edit semi-protected pages. See Wikipedia:Protection policy § Semi-protection and Wikipedia:User access levels § Autoconfirmed users for details. Eman235/talk 19:46, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Ankitroy1997 Is there a particular reason that you want to edit protected articles? That's not something that new users typically seek out to do. 331dot (talk) 19:55, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@331dot: Hahaha!!!.. Don't be afraid my friend. I want to tell you that my interest is in editing actors and actresses article as well as in billionaires also. Some of the articles( the articles which I described above)are protected and we are not allowed to access them. This is the only reason. Ankitroy1997 (talk) 04:50, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Ankitroy1997 Who is "we"? 331dot (talk) 10:20, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

331dot "we" means new editors who are new to wikipedia (like me).Ankitroy1997 (talk) 12:29, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

@Ankitroy1997: even before you are autoconfirmed, you can make suggestions on the articles' talk pages. When you do start directly editing, I strongly recommend that you study the WP:BLP policy since it appears that those are the types of articles you are interested in. It's one of our very few core policies, and inadvertent violations are one of our biggest problems. And thanks for helping! -Arch dude (talk) 06:51, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Conflicting information

Hi, just wanted to point out that this page states that this person both did and did not have children:

Zabwedaung Mibaya

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.15.64.170 (talk) 19:12, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

The no-offspring statement is apparently sourced but requires a page No. as the online archived book is of 645 pages and search of contents using Zabwedaung Mibaya did not reveal the info. The 3-children statement appears unsourced and I removed it and copied it oput of the i/bx. I also left a note at the TP of the editor who created the page, hoping for clarification. Eagleash (talk) 21:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Reference error that isn't visible

Greetings,

does anyone here know where the reference error on User:Jo-Jo Eumerus/1669 Etna eruption comes from? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:31, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Those refs are defined in the refs list but never used in the article, just like the message says. If you search on the ref name in the error message, you will find the definition in the ref list. MB 19:53, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@MB: Problem is, there is no error message anywhere... Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 20:44, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Then what is it that you see that indicates there is a ref error? Eagleash (talk) 21:05, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Eagleash:The page is listed in Category:User pages with reference errors, which is being triggered by some template as there is no string "User pages with reference errors" in the article text. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 21:25, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: The error messages are in the HTML of the rendered page but are hidden by default. I can see them in Firefox by choosing "View page source" and then looking for the word "error". User:MB/common.css contains the line .brokenref {display: inline !important;} which, I think, makes them show up. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:35, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

That CSS works, the message is that "Castagnino1994" and "Azzaro1999" aren't being used. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:15, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Jo-Jo Eumerus, I've been gone all day. I saw the error messages but didn't realize it was because I had special CSS; that must have been something I added years ago. MB 23:56, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks,^^that did it. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:14, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Confused

Hi - I used the Username TerraVanStern but my name is Margi White and I was trying to post something about 1) my boss Terra Vanzant Stern 2) Our company and 3) Leaner Six Sigma which is a system we used that is getting a lot of attention lately. I got a message back that I couldn't write about myself but I was writing about my boss - is this still something you can't do. And, Finally since I'm a new user I really can't find my user page. I looked under the user name I used but it says a page hasn't been created. Thank you very much. All the info I gave for the short three pages I created (that I hope I can add to later) can be verified if you go to our website www.SSDGlobal.net. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by TerraVanStern (talk • contribs) 20:19, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

TerraVanStern, You can write about yourself, but it is strongly discouraged. Same goes for writing about anyone you know personally. My personal recommendation is as follows:

1) Disclose paid editing per WP:PAID (assuming you are being paid to do so). Not doing so while being paid is a good way to get blocked from the site indefinitely, per the WMF Terms Of Service.

2) Change username as to not impersonate your boss

3) Very carefully review the notability guidelines and the person notability guidelines.

4) Resume writing the article at your own risk, a large number of reviewers will end up holding you to high standards if you're a paid editor

For note, user pages are for internal use only. No-one will ever actually see them on, say, google, as they are not indexed.

--MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 20:25, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

I've looked over the two drafts you created. Neither would be accepted, as the subjects do not satisfy WP:GNG. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:29, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@TerraVanStern: I would like to emphasize Clarityfiend's point. Before you waste any more time on this, please read and study our notability requirements for organizations. (WP:NCORP) and for individuals (WP:NPERSON). Really. I mean it. Wikipedia wants an article on every notable subject. Wikipedia does not want and will delete an article on any subject that is not notable by our definitions, which is frustrating for you and irritating for us. None of the references in you current sandbox are suitable to establish notability. We end up deleting about 200 articles every day. You may be able to find a more appropriate web site for your material: see WP:OUT. -Arch dude (talk) 20:35, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Where to go to get advice on a policy dispute

Quite simply, there seems to be a dispute among us about list policy. I want to know the right place to go to in order to ask the general editor population to weigh in on the policy itself. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Methodist Churches in Leicester is the AfD where it has come up. Jerod Lycett (talk) 21:07, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Jerodlycett: Generally, on the talk page of the policy in question. In this case I cannot determine the exact nature of the policy or of the dispute, so maybe start by articulating that in concisely. -Arch dude (talk) 21:47, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Arch dude: The policy in question is WP:LISTPURP, with an aside of that vs WP:NOTDIR. That seems to be the entire debate across that and two related lists up for deletion. I'm WP:TIRED of the debate that I accidentally started, and honestly took a moment to convince myself to not AN/I the whole thing. Jerod Lycett (talk) 22:03, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Jerodlycett: (Minor note) LISTPURP is a MOS guideline and not a policy; NOTDIR is a policy. — MarkH₂₁^talk 22:29, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Request for help to upload/replace main image on my father's Wikipedia

Hello,

My father, Pampero Firpo, was a professional wrestler who died on January 9, 2020.

I'd like to update the main photo on his Wikipedia page, since the one that is on there now has a big line through the center of it.

I'm being disallowed from updating the picture on his Wiki page, and I can't seem to attach it here.

Could someone who is an 'authorized user' please help me out?

His wikipedia page is here: Pampero Firpo

The image that I want to replace his main one with is a promotional photo from my Dad's personal collection.

Thanks,

John Kachmanian, son of Pampero Firpo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkachman (talk • contribs) 22:35, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Please accept my condolences on your loss. Regarding the image, you are not being permitted to upload it because you don't have 10 edits(though you are only three away); if you get 10 edits, you should be able to upload it. See WP:UPIMAGE for more information. You will want to make sure that you have the correct copyright for the photo- the copyright for promotional photos usually belongs to the photographer or agent and not the subject of the photo(or in this case, his estate). Others probably have better advice than I do. Again, I am sorry for your loss. 331dot (talk) 22:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Jkachman: getting involved with the details of copyright law is the last thing you need at a time like this, so I hope we can help you avoid too much frustration. I know that professional wrestlers often have dedicated fans, some of whom take pictures for them. If you know one of these folks, you might request that they upload a picture to which they own the copyright, instead of fighting through this yourself. The reason it's hard it that we try hard to obey the law, and copyright law is truly messy. If you encounter a problem, please immediately come back here for additional help. -Arch dude (talk) 07:01, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

January 15

Publishing a draft article

I have created a draft article (CMTPedS), how do I update to a published article so that it is visible to everyone and comes up in searches? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshua.T.Burns (talk • contribs) 00:20, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

​You submit it for review by adding {{subst:submit}} at top. I've submitted it for you. Most of the cited sources come from an author with the same name as your username, if you are that person I would recommend reading WP:COI. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:25, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Translation article

I created my first translation article Kurchenko Andrii Ihorovych. The title for some reason displays the word Draft: Should that be the case? Who will help me rename? Thank you --Knignik 2 (talk) 00:21, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

You submit it for review by adding {{subst:submit}} at top. I've submitted it for you, getting a review can take anywhere from one day to several weeks. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:33, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

SANTA FE HIGH SCHOOL

HI I GRADUATED FROM SANTA FE HIGH SCHOOL IN 1976, SANTA FE IS NOT PART OF THE HOUSTON METROPLOITAN HOUSTON IS HARRIS COUNTY SANTA FE IS IN GALVESTON COUNTY IN BETWEEN GALVESTON AND HOUSTON, SANTA FE USE TO BE CALLED ALTA LOMA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.28.94.217 (talk) 07:38, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Presumably this refers to the lede paragraph in Santa Fe High School (Texas). (There are several other Santa Fe High Schools.)

Are you sure you understand what is meant by "Houston metropolitan area"? While the city of Houston is indeed in Harris County, Texas, the Houston metropolitan area aka "Greater Houston" also includes eight other counties, including Galveston County, Texas. All nine of these counties are tabulated in the section Greater Houston#Demographics.

If you have further queries, feel free to make them here, but please:

(a) do not use ALL CAPITALS as this is often interpreted as SHOUTING and is considered to be rude – I know you likely did not intend to seem rude but some people are so put off by ALL CAPITALS that they won't bother to read any question that is so typed: also

(b) please end your post with four tildes, i.e. ~~~~. This automatically adds your signature (in your case your IP address) plus a time and date, all of which helps us to keep track of who is saying what in the conversation. If you don't have a tilde key on your device, you can copypaste it from the drop-down menus at the bottom of the editing box: the tilde is the first character in the 'Symbols' menu. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.208.126 (talk) 10:04, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Category

Can anyone help me to create a category page? Category:Rail transport in Kolkata I thought it like a simple article page, but it seems different. Please help.  :) S A H A  10:23, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

@Arnabsaha2212: You already created it. I reverted [1] text which is automatically displayed if there are subcategories or pages (there currently isn't). Maybe the parent categories should follow a pattern in subcategories of Category:Rail transport in India by city. When creating a new category, I always look for similar categories to select the content. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:59, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

@Arnabsaha2212: I changed the categories it was in based on its sibling Category:Rail transport in Mumbai. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 16:15, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Little bit lost

Hello ! I really don't know where to go, I have encountered a problem on a page (European Collectivity of Alsace) where an editor keeps readding outdated data with no source. I have added an official source for 2020, dating back from december 2019 (so one month ago). So that would be an edit war. A strange one, but still.

What's now really distressing is that the user is not doing that nicely. I wrote a very polite summary for my edit (Readded the correct 2020 population estimate. Added source for referendum. Added a short history. Good day.), and I have that now :

• "Your petulance is only making you look bad. The estimate is already obsolete. Check the meaning of that word: "obsolete"."
• "Your estimate is not sourced - where is the link to a specific page? - while the official 2017 census is sourced."
  • The user is lying... if you check the diff, I am the one that provided a source, they did not...
• "Edit war starters usually get their come-uppance sooner rather than later."
• Finally, on my talk page : "The presumptuous tone and counter-factual attitude that you adopt here will not make you many friends. It is true that there was a population estimate for 2020, made in 2019. But since the publication of the official census figures for 2017 by INSEE, on December 30, 2019, this figure has become fanciful and this estimate, obsolete. Given the growth rate of the departments of Bas-Rhin and Haut-Rhin since 2007, the total population in 2020 is necessarily higher than that of 2017, which is higher than the estimate that you revere so much. Give up the worship of this idol."

Where should I go ? What should I do ? That isn't a basic content dispute, it's really exhausting and distressing... CocoricoPolynesien (talk) 12:00, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

The place to discuss edits to an article is on its talk page, in this case Talk:European Collectivity of Alsace. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:26, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @CocoricoPolynesien: I've only had time for a quick look. It seems to me that the 2019 figure was an estimate. I.e. a 'guessed' or extrapolated figure which may or may not be accurate. It seems that once the 2017 census figures have been audited or checked they become the official figures and would take precedence over the estimate. It might be OK to include both figures making it clear that 2019 is an estimate. Please try to resolve with the other editor involved to reach a consensus, preferably at the article talk page. Help in resolving disputes can be found at WP:DR and WP:BRD. Eagleash (talk) 12:31, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you both for your answer ! I agree, however the 2020 data were published after the 2017 ones by the exact same gov agency, making them more recent. I don't see how a 2017 census would have precedence over a more recent 2020 estimate. I will use the talk page as you advised me, and probably add the 2017 census (if of course I find a source because the other editor didn't provide one !).Done. Problem is, it doesn't solve the agressiveness of the other editor and its attacks... Thank you, CocoricoPolynesien (talk) 12:40, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

How to suggest changes/updates to a specific article?

How to suggest changes/updates to a specific article— Preceding unsigned comment added by Indianboyzz (talk • contribs)

The best thing to do is to be bold and make the changes yourself. If you don't wish to do that, or can't due to page protection, you should make an edit request on the article talk page of the article you wish to see changed. 331dot (talk) 14:49, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

2 questions

Hello,

I have two questions. My first question is when I review AFC submissions, how can I prevent submissions from being added to my watchlist? My second question is I'm going to be on vacation until Monday. Because of this, I won't be as active during that time. I would like to have some talk page stalkers answer questions on my talk page just in case I'm offline. How can I find some? Please ping me in your reply. Interstellarity (talk) 16:02, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

​1. I think you can turn off Preferences > Watchlist > Add pages and files I move to my watchlist. 2. You could just add a "Away for a few days. Other editors: feel free to reply to questions here" on top, maybe someone at this help desk decides to watchlist it. Most things here aren't that time-sensitive, so you can also just enjoy the vacation :) – Thjarkur (talk) 16:17, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: 1. If you don't want to change the preference mentioned above, assuming you see the moved/edited submission page after you save it, click the blue star tab at the top to uncheck it. 2. Maybe mention it at WT:AFC for the attention of other AFCers? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 16:26, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

@Þjarkur and AlanM1: Thanks for your help. That fixes the problem. Interstellarity (talk) 16:29, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Would like there to be more clarity in climate statistics labels

I recently noticed that for a given city, the climate statistics display includes not only "average high" but also "mean maximum" (and likewise for "average low" and "mean minimum") labels for each month of the year.

Because "high" and "maximum" are synonyms, as are "low" and "minimum", as well as "average" and "mean", I sought clarification. None was to be found in the text immediately below the climate statistics display.

There is, however, in teeny type at the *top* of the climate statistics display, a reference to the following footnote:

"Mean monthly maxima and minima (i.e. the expected highest and lowest temperature readings at any point during the year or given month) calculated based on data at said location from 1981 to 2010."

Maybe if I thought about it a great deal, I could figure out how this differs from the monthly "average high" but right now I find it to be nothing but confusing.

So: My question is this: Where can I join a discussion among Wikipedia editors who might be persuaded to make the meanings of these designations much, much, clearer to readers?50.205.142.35 (talk) 18:35, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Those tables are generated by Template:Weather box. I suspect that the best place to raise this is on the talk page of that template. If nothing else, the editors who watch that page will be able to direct you to a better location. -Arch dude (talk) 19:06, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

You're right - the wording is confusing. I suspect it's a result of trying to make the descriptions as short as possible, to fit in the table. Let's take Las Vegas as an example, and look at the month of June. Here's my take on the meanings:

• The "Record high" of 117 is the highest temperature ever reached in June.
• The "Mean maximum" of 109.4 is the highest temperature reached in an average June. "Mean monthly maximum" would be better, but longer.
• The "Average high" would be better shown as "Average daily high". Thus, 98.7 is the average of the high temperature for each of the 30 days of June.
• "Average low" and "Mean minimum" are arrived at in a similar fashion. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 21:52, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

I find the "Average" figures are more useful; they are generally present by default, whereas the "Mean" figures (confusingly) give a sort of monthly worst-case figure, and are not found in all WP weather charts.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:13, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Short and sweet

Can admin add wikihow41.113.142.75 (talk) 23:10, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

41.113.142.75 It's there now. WikiHow Is there anything else you wanted? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:15, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

What is "wikihow" and what do you want to add it to? 331dot (talk) 23:16, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

January 16

Editing the Page about the Norfolk Island Supreme Court

Hello,

I am writing to whomever ultimately reviews the editing for Wikipedia.

I am a Deputy Registrar of the Supreme Court of Norfolk Island.

On 11 December 2018, Justice Steven David RARES (of the Federal Court of Australia) was appointed as the third judge of Supreme Court of Norfolk Island. Justice Rares filled the vacancy left by Justice GILMOUR when he retired from the Federal Court on 23 March 2018.

Justice Rares has asked that the table on this Wikipedia page be updated to include him as the third Judge of the Supreme Court of Norfolk Island. I can provide you with a copy of Justice Rares formal appointment if you require this for verification.

Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any enquiries.

Regards,

Chuan Ng Judicial Registrar & Deputy Sheriff Federal Court of Australia NSW District Registry Queens Square Sydney NSW 2000 Deputy Registrar & Acting Sheriff Supreme Court of Norfolk Island Registrar Federal Circuit Court of Australia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teng Chuan Ng (talk • contribs) 23:27, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Teng Chuan Ng. In order to place Mr. Rares in that article, we need a link to a publicly published news item or website (not social media or blogs) that we can cite as support. We need confirmation of the date, in particular. Please provide a link here so the chart may be updated.--Quisqualis (talk) 23:50, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

This might work but it's a bit vague. [[2]] TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 02:36, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Problem editing a page.

Can someone please tell me why I am not able to edit this page https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoff_Grist Thank you

Icuraj (talk) 01:27, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Apparently on Simple Wikipedia (a separate project), the edit link is labeled "Change Source". Try that. RudolfRed (talk) 01:36, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

If that doesn't work, this is the Help Desk for that project: [3] RudolfRed (talk) 01:37, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

fixing ping @Icuraj: RudolfRed (talk) 01:38, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you - I did try that and it didn't work. Do you know how I can move this page to the regular Wikipedia, not the Simple Wikipedia? Icuraj (talk) 01:41, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

If your're Geoff Grist or someone with a significant personal or business relationship with him, you don't need to (and shouldn't). If Geoff Grist is notable, someone else will come along and write an article about him here, sooner or later.

If you're not Geoff Grist or someone with a significant personal or business relationship with him, then:

1. Create the page "Geoff Grist" here (in the regular English Wikipedia
2. Copy and paste whatever you want into to this new article, from the Simple Wikipedia article. Don't save it yet.
3. Go back to the Simple English article, and click on "Permanent Link" (it's at the left, down a little). This will change the URL in the URL box of your browser.
4. Copy that URL.
5. Go back to the article you are creating here in the regular English Wikipedia.
6. In the Edit Summary field, type "Creating page by copy from" and then paste in that permanent-link URL you copied from the Simple English Wikipedia (It will read something like "Creating page by copy from https://simple.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Geoff_Grist&oldid=6778641
7. Click the Publish Page button.

The purpose here is to point to the originating page, so that the original writers can be credited for copyright purposes.

I don't know if Geoff Grist is notable enough to have an article. Probably not. So the article'll just get deleted in that case. Herostratus (talk) 02:47, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

@Icuraj: As Herostratus said it will probably be deleted. None of the references are sufficient to establish notability. Please carefully read WP:NPERSON, and then if you think I'm wrong, please make an explicit case that the subject is notable on the article's talk page, describing how at least two of the sources or new sources you find each meet all five of the requirements. That may be enough to convince interested editors to not nominate you article for deletion. We delete about 200 articles per day. -Arch dude (talk) 03:27, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Cheers. Icuraj (talk) 03:58, 16 January 2020 (UTC) Sorry, another question. How do I permanently delete this from the Simple Wikipedia? Icuraj (talk) 04:39, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

@Icuraj: I know this sounds strange, but the simple Wikipedia is a separate project with separate policies and administration, so you will have to ask on their help desk. -Arch dude (talk) 05:14, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks again for your help. Cheers Icuraj (talk) 05:16, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

@Icuraj: You may be able to find an alternate home for this article. I'm not familiar these but take a look at WP:OUT. -Arch dude (talk) 05:19, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! You've been very helpful - much appreciated. Icuraj (talk) 05:21, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Initial description for 'Kangaroo Island' page needs to be re-written

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_Island

The first description for this (as well as the quick-view description) isn't as it should be. I thought I could re-write it but I think it'd be better for someone more qualified to do so. Just wanted to let you know! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2404:4408:404D:FB00:FC7C:A8E1:31A9:82A7 (talk) 06:22, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

I've reverted the vandalism to Kangaroo Island. If it was committed by you, stop doing such things or you'll end up being blocked. Deor (talk) 06:32, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Recent edit was marked as pending changes? (As autoconfirmed user)

I recently made edits to the page Reptile and for some reason the last edit was made pending changes. While this isn't much of an issue, I thought it was strange, as I am above the registration and edit count threshold. Is there some threshold of multiple edits to a single article that marks an autoconfirmed user's edits as pending changes? Rauisuchian (talk) 07:34, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

@Rauisuchian: This may be another instance of the software bug phab:T234743 -- John of Reading (talk) 07:54, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Footnote linked to ad, not reference

Can you please advise how to remove the following footnote which is linked to an ad, not an actual reference?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensions_in_the_United_Kingdom#cite_note-Auto_Enrolment_Pension_reform-1

Thanks! Dianna — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.94.0.4 (talk) 10:01, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello Dianna, I have removed it and added a 'citation needed' template; for future reference you just open the source and delete the ref as a whole just as you would any other text. Leave an explanatory edit summary and tag for a ref (which may not always be necessary). Eagleash (talk) 10:19, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Can watermarks be on images that i make?

i'm generally curious if i can have watermarks on my pictures that i can make and upload onto this site when editing. <- [🔥] Dengmothy (talk) 14:57, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

See WP:WATERMARK. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:04, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

@Dengmothy: WP:WATERMARK is ambiguous. It says no watermarks that would hamper free use. This may be interpreted to mean that you may watermark, but the watermark cannot assert or imply any restrictive license. I think you should ask that question on that policy's talk page. But is there some reason to use a watermark instead of metadata? -Arch dude (talk) 17:45, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Duncraig Castle

I would very much appreciate it if you could amend the address you have listed on wikipedia. It is not Duncraig Square, Duncraig Castle. The correct address is:

Duncraig Castle Plockton Ross-shire IV52 8TZ

Many thanks Suzanne Hazeldine [Owner] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.35.241.174 (talk) 17:11, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

There is no address listed in Duncraig_Castle. Where are you seeing the problem? RudolfRed (talk) 18:40, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

IP editor, what you are seeing is a "mashup" created by Google, based on results of a Google search for "Duncraig Castle". Google calls it a Knowledge Graph, The text is straight from Wikipedia, but the rest is a compendium from other sources. Highland Council may have 1 Duncraig Square as your mailing address, for instance. You can notify Google about this problem: here. Normally, there is a feedback link at the very bottom of the box, but the one I saw wasn't working.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:00, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

WP:SPA question

Does focusing almost exclusively on fighting spam and out-of-article-space vandalism count as a WP:SPA? --MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 17:43, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

I would consider it a species of wikignoming, a benevolent obsessive trait. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:19, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

SPA is generally a derogatory term. It's not the same thing as having a particular area of interest, even a seemingly obsessively specific one so long as it's productive. GMG^talk 19:28, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Moonythedwarf, I would say an SPA is usually trying to push a POV or make COI edits. They are generally WP:NOTHERE, unlike say a vandal fighter, who is looking to help the encyclopedia as a whole. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 00:19, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Super Bowl Handover Ceremony

After The Super Bowl LIV Game is Over The Next Day Which Is Feb 3 that's the day of the Super Bowl Handover Ceremony. The Miami Super Bowl Host Committee will then Hand it over to The Tampa Super Bowl Host Committee if that is true. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 21:03, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Is this about an article? If so, please discuss on that article's talk page. If not, what are you asking? RudolfRed (talk) 21:30, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Where to issue a query on why a user was blocked?

I am poking into why User:Combo_Panda was blocked, and am unsure where to ask/have the block reviewed. --MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 21:23, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

@Moonythedwarf: From the user's talk page, the block was issued by User:Bbb23. You can ask on that admin's talk page, but I'm not sure if they will discuss another user's block with you. RudolfRed (talk) 21:28, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Sichuan Yi Babel Templates

Currently the only language template that exists for the Yi language is native speaker. I am not a native but would still like this babel categorisation. I also have no idea how to make new babel categories. I can provide translations for all texts if required. Can someone help please? Stan traynor (talk) 22:33, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Get me out of this site please

I can’t get out of this website. I can’t make it smaller. I don’t know why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:19B:4500:E2D0:EC89:A806:D5AD:9BB0 (talk) 23:33, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Have you tried turning your device off and on again? We can't offer any more assistance than that since this sounds like a problem with your device rather than a problem with Wikipedia. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:49, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

January 17

Fastest banjo player

On a google search it brings up Todd Taylor as the fastest banjo player. I can confirm this is false and I can provide proof in the link Provided

https://countryrebel.com/blogs/videos/worlds-fastest-banjo-player-will-leave-your-head-spinning/

I would like this false information changed please — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:6848:3300:E924:DB:6BA4:E96A (talk) 00:01, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

You have already updated the information in the article so there is nothing more Wikipedia can do on its side. We can't control what Google shows. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:11, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

broken site

https://medium.com/freely-sharing-the-sum-of-all-knowledge/behold-the-winners-of-the-worlds-largest-photo-contest-wiki-loves-monuments-fda57994b7f1

this site crashes browsers, get them to fix it or use another website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.147.224 (talk) 00:34, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

That is not a Wikimedia property. You will need to report the problem directly to that website. RudolfRed (talk) 00:45, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Name is Misspelled

Jackson Galaxy's birth name is currently listed as Richard Kirschner and it lists websites with this information as references. However, this is INCORRECT. His birth name is Richard Kurschner. How can I edit this to be correct when the references currently cited on the site have the incorrect information? Every time I make this edit, it is reverted back to the incorrect information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CCPR1234 (talk • contribs) 01:15, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

CCPR1234 What is your source for the information? You should bring this up on the article talk page so the other editors can discuss it. 331dot (talk) 01:56, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

@CCPR1234: You can't. Wikipedia cannot know the Truth, we can only know that something is verifiable. See Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth. You will need to get some reliable source to publish the correct name, and even then, we could only list it together with the incorrect sources and note that "sources differ". -Arch dude (talk) 01:59, 17 January 2020 (UTC)