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(BLP violation removed) George Pell

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Is it not possible to remove Pell's countenance from the home page? (BLP violation removed) PLEASE get rid of him. 70.105.250.100 (talk) 01:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

If you wish to talk about getting his picture removed, please refer to the article's talk page. Unless it violates a copyright of some sort it is highly unlikely that the image of him will be removed. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 01:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, FWIW, the IP is presumably referring to the main page, where Pell's picture is currently present under "In the News" due to his recent acquittal. Moaz786 (talk to me or see what I've been doing) 02:01, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Moaz786, I saw that; perhaps I should redirect the IP editor to the Talk:Main Page then? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 02:23, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, perhaps we should refer the IP to WP:BLPREMOVE which I am tempted to invoke for his posts to this thread. Elizium23 (talk) 11:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Elizium23, the last time this IP made meaningful edits was in 2016 and so far hasn't made any further changes in regards to the subject. If anyone can close this I think we can lay the matter to rest. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 14:57, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: The poster is unlikely to be the same person that posted using that IP in 2016, but I'm not sure why that would matter. Last I remember, consensus here was against implementing the type of "closing" used elsewhere (e.g., admin noticeboards). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: I'm aware that the person using that IP is most likely not the one from a few years back. In any case, it doesn't seem like they've done anything else since yesterday besides post here. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:34, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

You might find him (Redacted), but he is in the news. It will pass. Then people will spend much time and aggro fighting over neutrality and due weight in his bio. Probably we've also had recent pictures for Weinstein and the-other-guy-whose-name-escapes-me (and they haven't had their convictions overturned). We're not celebrating the verdict, just reporting it. You could set your sights on Sky News, I heard they've been giving him a sympathathetic airing recently. And this thread will soon be archived and forgotten. But thanks for stopping by to let us know how you feel. Pelagic (talk) 15:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Why has this not been suppressed in four days?? Usedtobecool ☎️ 19:37, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Translation Cleanup- Keep Sources?

Resolved

 – Direct translation with original sources are allowed (English preferred per WP:NONENG); suggestion to acknowledge where content is from in edit summaries or putting {{Translated page}} on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:42, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Very new to Wikipedia. I recently cleaned up the translation of a Spanish-to-English page Maria Eugenia Suarez and added multiple paragraphs that were included in the Spanish page but not the English one. So far everything I've done is direct translation, since I don't want to get into the weeds of the many Wikipedia standards for adding new content. So with the added paragraphs, I'm wondering if I can copy the (Spanish-language) citations over as well? Carla.Abra (talk) 23:53, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

You are absolute allowed to use reliable sources in Spanish, though we prefer English-language sources if they exist. --MrClog (talk) 00:04, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

In your edit summaries for the addition of citations acknowledge where the info is from. David notMD (talk) 00:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Carla.Abra: Note that each Wikipedia project (in each language) has its own standards, and enwiki is among the more strict as far as source reliability and notability. The fact that an article exists on another Wikipedia does not give it any special waiver of enwiki standards when it is translated and created here – it should comply just like any other new article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:00, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you all! Your comments are very helpful. Carla.Abra (talk) 02:23, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Carla.Abra: InterWiki translation is really valuable work. The more multilingual editors there are, the better! A couple of points in addition to what others have already said:

If you translate from another language into English as you did with Maria Eugenia Suarez, it's best practice to add a {{translated page}} template to the Talk Page of the English article. That way, the original Spanish-speaking editor gets due credit.

There are some useful links to browse towards the bottom of that template, which might give you some ideas.

{{Interlanguage link}} ({{ill}} for short) is really useful if there's a bluelink in the original but a redlink in English. I've added a couple of them to Maria Eugenia Suarez so that you can see how it's done. They point to useful information, and can encourage editors to translate whole articles.

If you get the courage to translate a whole article, be sure to make an InterWiki link using the Languages/Edit links tool in the left-hand column. There's a good example in Maria Eugenia Suarez, where the articles in 14 languages are linked together.

Happy editing! Narky Blert (talk) 18:26, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Abed-Elrahman Ahmed

Can anyone here at wikipedia create a page named Abed-Elrahman Ahmed? It's for a boy that I care extremely much. Please someone create the page so I can edit it. After you create it please send me a talk. Thanks!Julia Schubert (talk) 10:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Julia Schubert! Probably not, see WP:BASIC. Do you have such references? If not, such an article will be quickly deleted. If you do, I recommend you read Help:YFA carefully and then start a Help:Userspace draft. Assuming you don't mean Abdelrahman Ossama. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:14, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Julia Schubert, are you referring to the 12-year-old Romanian chess player? Any Wikipedia article (not page) about this boy can only say what reliable, published sources have written about him, because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not social media. If you care extremely much, start Googling for reliable published sources, and write the article. There is a Romanian Wikipedia where you may have an easier time writing the article.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Use of bold for contributing properties in NRHP article

I am performing a GA review of Downtown Ossining Historic District and have a question about use of bold for contributing properties in this section of a NRHP article: Downtown Ossining Historic District § Significant contributing properties.

From MOS:BOLD, it does not appear as if the titles of contributing properties should be bolded, but perhaps it is ok because they are subsets of the historic district (i.e., fall under criteria for the article title).

Is it okay to use boldface in this instance? If not, is there another appropriate method to call out the article titles (emphasis mentioned in MOS:BOLD doesn't seem right for this instance)?

Your input is very much appreciated! –CaroleHenson (talk) 20:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, CaroleHenson. That's a very interesting question. Personally, I'm OK with seeing the use of bold in just the section at Downtown_Ossining_Historic_District#Significant_contributing_properties . That said, I don't think the use of bold here conforms to our Manual of Style. I would expect bold to be used only if the items were synonyms, but here they are just tiny subsets of the whole, so I wouldn't interpret bold as being ok. I'd suggest that the bullet points on their own serve as suitable seperators, and that emboldening should go. See National Register of Historic Places listings in northern Westchester County, New York for a vaguely equivalent article that doesn't use bold. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:51, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Excellent feedback, thanks Nick Moyes.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@CaroleHenson: You might also get more feedback at WT:MOS. See if it's been discussed there previously, too (there's a search box). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:50, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, AlanM1, I will check it out.–CaroleHenson (talk) 12:31, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

My Picture Attached To Someone Else's Wikipedia Bio

Resolved

 – Content mismatch on a Google Knowledge Graph; recommended fix is to submit feedback through the "Feedback" link on the graph. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:49, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi there - I just googled my own name, and a photo of me came up attached to an dead Australian footballer's wikipedia link. The photo does not show on the demised footballer's actual wikipedia page, but on the search results in Google.. Can anyone suggest how that can be amended so these are not connected? Thanks for reading! 64.46.3.4 (talk) 20:48, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

You will need to contact Google. Their Knowledge Graph pulls data from a variety of sources in an often confusing way. RudolfRed (talk) 21:01, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

To add to the above: the easiest way of correcting such a mistake is by clicking on the grey "Feedback" link on the bottom right of the Google Knowledge Graph. --MrClog (talk) 21:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much! A trivial issue in our current times but much appreciated. Be well!

Wikipedia 20th Anniversary

What are you going to do on Wikipedia's 20th anniversary next year? SpinnerLaserz (talk) 03:08, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I haven't heard of any plans yet. Presumably they will yust show a banner and create a page named Wikipedia:20th anniversary. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:19, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, SpinnerLaserz. I will not begin thinking about that until the coronavirus pandemic is under control. Maybe I might buy a cake with the puzzle globe logo on it, if I am not bankrupt at that time. I like cake. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:25, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Interested in expert opinion regarding an article that might be eligible for deletion

I would appreciate an expert opinion to evaluate if this article is an advertorial with no encyclopedic significance. Pratat (talk) 08:09, 16 April 2020 (UTC) Pratat (talk) 08:09, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Vienna Test System has multiple tags identifying weaknesses, including sections without references. Also, it appears it wants to be about the test system AND the company. I have no keep-don't keep opinion. Needs a look at by psychologists familiar with testing. David notMD (talk) 11:34, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi David notMD and thank you for responding. What I am wary of is that the test system is not a patented method or similar, but rather a very specific system (which used to be hardware+software and now is software only), and therefore the whole article is adveratorial in nature. Would appreciate if you could give it a second look. Not to mention that even when I tried removing a few peacock words, my edit was rolled back..Pratat (talk) 13:03, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Deleted stuff. I think your edit was reverted not because of your change to the text, but to the tags. Anyway, I trimmed stuff from the lead, too. David notMD (talk) 13:50, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I wish to make a minor grammatical correction to the semi-protected article about Tedros Abhanom

Tedros Adhanom

The text in question is

In a profile published in April 2010, The Lancet reported that Tedros was "a household name at the Global Fund Secretariat" before his election as Board Chair where his leadership was regularly cited at the Global Fund that resulted in Ethiopia to be named as an exemplary high-performing country.

The words "to be" are incorrect in that sentence. I want to replace them with the word "being:. AldisOzols (talk) 11:16, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

AldisOzols,  Done ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 11:22, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Help with getting a draft submitted

Hello - I'm working on a page for the company I work for and I'm struggling to get it submitted. I'm not providing enough significant coverage on the subject or secondary sources, but I've added as many links as I can fathom and I'm at a loss at what to do next. The article is still in its Draft format here: Draft:SixStarCruises Please could someone point me in the right direction? Many thanks, Emma. Emma.smithWTH (talk) 13:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

The "references" are in-name-only mentions, interviews, reworks of press releases... Not clear if any of those are at length content about the company (and was there a name change? As awards going to different name?). Given declined four times by three different reviewers, my opinion is lost cause. David notMD (talk) 14:01, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Have you read WP:COMPANY? Your draft has been declined four times and each time its been declined for exactly the same reason. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 14:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you both - The company is a subsidiary, which might cause confusion where mentioned in the referenced articles. I'll take a look at WP:COMPANY and see where I get to.

nigeria, lagos

"Subject/headline".--> what is the relation between portugal and lagos in nigeria? 86.17.177.94 (talk) 14:06, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi anonymous user, and welcome to the Teahouse. People searching the term Lagos may be looking for Lagos, Nigeria or Lagos, Portugal, so it's helpful to redirect them to the place in Portugal, if that's what they're looking for. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I suspect the OP may be asking why the Nigerian city has the same name as the Portugese city. The answer to that is given in the articles Lagos, Nigeria and History of Lagos – although the Nigerian location had at least one indigenous name (Eko), it was named "Lagos" by Portugese explorers and immigrants, perhaps partly after the Portugese city but largely because the word in Portugese means both "lakes" and "lagoon", both of which are descriptive of the local geography. {The poster formerly knnown as 87.81.230.195} 90.203.117.240 (talk) 14:49, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

How to make columns functions of other columns in tables

I am trying to put in cases per capita data on the articles for the Virginia and Maryland Covid outbreak articles. I added a population column, and I made a cases per capita column in excel and imported it, but I want to know how to make that function within the table on the site so that when the cases column gets updated the cases per capita gets updated to. How do I do that? Isaaclagrand (talk) 15:32, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Isaaclagrand. I don't think there's any way to automate that. I've looked at Help:Table and WP:Parser functions. You can certainly use the parser function 'expr' to calculate a value, but I don't think there's any way to tell it to get the input from somewhere on the page: that's just not what the Mediawiki software does. It may be that you could write a Lua module to generate the whole table, but I don't think you can in Mediawiki. --ColinFine (talk) 18:08, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@Isaaclagrand: It is not possible when the table code and data is written in the same page. It can be done with a row template which computes a table row from data given in parameters but this requires template knowledge to set up. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:19, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Jack Radcliffe

Hallo, this is from the bio of a gay porn star, it sounds way too celebrative would you please give me your opinion and advises on how to improve it? thank you

"Legacy and cultural impact Radcliffe is often cited as an enduring iconic representation (if not the most iconic representative[2][7]) of the bear aesthetic in pornography, gay culture, and at large.[1][3][8][9][10][11] He has been described as "the Marilyn Monroe of bear culture,"[12] a "poster boy of bear culture," and a "reigning bear icon."[1] In a 2009 list of bear icons, LGBT pop culture website Queerty stated, "In the bear porn industry, Radcliffe is God. It’s easy to see why– if Plato were a bear, this would be his ideal."[8]

Despite this, Radcliffe has downplayed his iconography within bear culture.[1][2][12]

Radcliffe was the most featured cover model in the history of Bear Magazine.[13] In his 2001 forward for author and academic scholar Les K. Wright's The Bear Book II: Further Readings in the History and Evolution of a Gay Male Subculture, former editor-in-chief of Drummer Jack Fritscher noted that Radcliffe remained Brush Creek Media's top box office earner and described him as an icon for the company.[5] Wright also described Radcliffe as the first to embody the "bear beauty" aesthetic with his specifically marketed films.[14] Conversely, Radcliffe has also been specifically identified as an example of the "muscle-bear" body type that later emerged in bear culture, contributing to a more muscular standard of beauty, seemingly in conflict with the "normal," "average," or fat ("chub") aesthetic origins of the bear community.[12][15]" AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 16:21, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

hello @AlejandroLeloirRey: you should try asking this question on the talk page of the article.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: I tried to bring up the lack of notability but no one seems to be interested. The problem wit this kind of bio is that they were accepted when notability rules were less strict, and not being notable no one really looks at these pages which gets to remain untouched for years. I was hopping to rise some interest here and at least improve it. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 16:31, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, if you suspect an article is on a non-notable subject, please conduct a reasonable WP:BEFORE and nominate it for WP:AFD; that's where it is not ignored. There are far too many articles, whose talk pages are watched by barely one experienced editor, since many were created by one time editors who just wanted to create an article for something/someone connected to them. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:07, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

is this deletion material ?

Hallo, I tried to improve this bio but I can't find much on internet. He definitely was a pretty known gay porn actor but I can't find anything to source this and at the moment there is only one source, plus is he notable? please check it out: Zak Spears --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 16:26, 16 April 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 16:26, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello! This is the fifth new post you've made here in the past week or so. Please post on the talk page of the article if you have specific concerns about the subject.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlejandroLeloirRey: I might also suggest posting at WT:PORNO for a more focused audience. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:55, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: like I have said before these are old pages and no one seems to be interested into them anymore. these pages were created when wikipedia policy about porn actor was much different. I tried to create discussions on their pages but no one answers and I don't want to neither act and make a mistake nor ignore the fact and let pages created ages ago rotten. @AlanM1: good advise, thank you I just did. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 18:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Articles for review.

Am Alvinategyeka, I've submitted some articles for review. Can it be possible for them to be reviewed before tomorrow, because am in a competition which ends tomorrow. Am requesting the experienced editors to look through them and advise on the way forward, whether to re edit them or of they can be approved Alvinategyeka (talk) 16:28, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Alvinategyeka, I'm afraid that is sadly not how it works. There is currently a backlog of hundreds of pages and it usually takes a few weeks for a new article to be reviewed. But if you are referring to Caroline Kamusiime, then well congratulations! It's already been created. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 16:59, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Alvinategyeka. I'm glad that one of your drafts has been accepted: well done. But please explain to whoever set up the competition that encouraging people to create articles to a deadline is disruptive to Wikipedia. Please see there is no deadline. --ColinFine (talk) 18:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Frank Van Dersarl

I'm really confused. Durangofox (talk) 16:48, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Durangofox, what are you confused about? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:49, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

What I'm confused about is how an editor with 4 edits made this whole page in one of them, as well as what seems to be another article in the making in another one. Likely a WP:COI — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 16:53, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

It's possible this might be a continuation of an archived discussion. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

A High Volume of Articles from Single Source

I wish to edit Milwaukee Admirals by adding records for years that aren't on the Internet Hockey Database. In order to do so, I have numerous clippings from newspapers that account for each game. That would add up to 61 citations for a few rows in a table. Is there a way to abbreviate many articles throughout 4 years from a one or two newspapers? Packerfan213 (talk) 17:47, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Packerfan213, each clipping would be an individual source and ought not to be merged even if it were possible. If each source supports a new claim in the article, 61 of them would not be too many. There is a way to bundle citations if many sources are required to support a single sentence or something. See WP:Bundling. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:11, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Usedtobecool, I ended up not needing to because I couldn't compile a perfect game-by-game log for the season, but that's good info for the future. Packerfan213 (talk) 22:03, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to How to notify or make it clear that I might not be very responsive to questions?

Summoning Woerich How is that you can keep your presence here almost to zero, but then be summoned so quickly as a third tier of gatekeeper to harm others when so many people are being hurt and harmed around the world? Intelliname (talk) 18:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

This appears to relate to a content dispute at Epik (domain registrar). I see no discussion on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 18:21, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Intelliname, editors can selectively enable email notifications for the kind of updates they want to receive from Wikipedia. Many editors take that option when their activity level drops or needs to. Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:15, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Update: OP has already been indefinitely blocked for edit warring and threats to out other editors. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:56, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, it is unnecessary to mark posts where OP has been blocked; indefinite block does not mean infinite, so they could get unblocked, and they can still follow the answer even though they are blocked from posting, in both cases, they could still benefit from the answers. In any case, I expect most if not all hosts to have their preferences set to crossing out usernames of blocked editors anyway. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool, this question was clearly asked in bad faith, so it's a good think to note that the OP has been blocked indef, so no other editor should waste their time answering this question. --MrClog (talk) 22:12, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Link Twice

How can I use the same link twice, without it appearing in the references twice?

Danstarr69 (talk) 19:45, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Danstarr69 One way is to add it (the ref) as many times as needed, then use Refill2. Or see WP:REFNAME. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: Alternatively, you can use name="..." in the ref tag. Further details: WP:Citing sources#Repeated citations. Certes (talk) 20:15, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Danstarr69, please see Wikipedia:Citing sources#Repeated citations. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool I still don't understand it.

This is one of the links I'm trying to use twice

This is the title I'm trying to give it

Where about's in the reference do I add it?

I've tried to add it before the curly brackets, and I've tried to add it after the curly brackets, but neither works.

Also in the box which comes up when you add a citation in the visual mode, where in there can I find the "Reference Name" category?

All I can see is when I search for the word "Name" is: URL, Title, Last Name, First Name, Source Date, Name of Website, Language, URL Status, Archive URL, Archive Date, URL Access Date, Publisher, Second Author First Name, Second Author Last Name, Editor First Name, Editor Last Name, Location of Publication, Script Title, Lay Source, Author Mask, First and Last names of another 7 authors, Author Name Separator, Last Author Ampersand, First and Last names of another 8 editors, and Published Via.

I've also tried to use the "Tag" category, but when I try to use "Two Shot Podcast - Vinette Robinson" in there as a "Reference Tag," I just get the Red text saying "Unknown parameter |tag= ignored (|date= suggested)" Danstarr69 (talk) 21:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Use the full ref with name the first time then the name only later. Certes (talk) 21:13, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Danstarr69, in visual editing, there should be a "reuse" tab which will give you a list of refs you have already used, so you can choose which one you need to use again.

For source editing, when first you have to use it, use it like this:<ref name=content>{{everything that goes in the curly brackets}}</ref>. And when you need to cite the same link again, cite it as: <ref name=content/>. (Type what you see here, not what I have typed to make it appear this way to readers). Is this helpful? Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool I've just tried it again, and it worked this time. I don't don't what I did wrong the first time to make it fail. I thought it had failed again when I was checking the preview as it didn't have an (a)(b) thing next to the references at the bottom, however the reference number appeared twice in the text in the article itself, so it must have worked. I've still got more references to add before I publish and know for certain however.

Danstarr69 (talk) 21:29, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Danstarr69, we'll be here, good luck! Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:35, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: I know you’re comfortable switching between editing tools. So, my advice is to forget using Visual Editor to insert references -it’s rubbish for that. Use source editor, where the Cite template has a very visible ‘Reference name’ box you can complete. I have written my own guide for newcomers struggling with editing. Take a look at WP:EASYREFBEGIN if you’re still encountering problems. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:54, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

References

@Danstarr69: Because you had trouble finding it before, the "reference name" field in the source editor's cite tool is actually labeled "Ref name" and is the bottom left field in the window. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 13:58, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Another user copied the content of my draft

I spent a decent amount of time writing a draft of an article then submitted it to be published, and have been waiting to hear back on whether it was approved or not. Today, a user left a message on my talk page that they had gone ahead and made an article for the subject I wrote about, and had received a pending deletion notice because their article lacked sources and proof of notability. The deletion warning linked to my draft, recommending the two should be merged. The article creator was asking if I was interested in merging the two. In the same day that they received the deletion warning and left the message on my talk page, the user copied at least half of the content from my draft and published it in the live article they had created. I had yet to respond to their request to merge, so they did this without any permission from me. I am perfectly fine with the idea of merging the articles, but I had planned to add my content myself later in the day. I'm uncomfortable with how this was approached, and I feel as though I was plagiarized. So I'm wondering, is this normal practice? To copy another user's writing? ReadingRed (talk) 21:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ReadingRed, and welcome to the Teahouse. I would have been able to answer you much more quickly if you had told us what article(s) you were talking about, rather than leaving me to do the detective work. The answer is, no it is not normal practice; but it is allowed. Whenever you inserted text, you automatically released it under CC-BY-SA, which means that anybody may copy or reuse it for any purpose, as long as they attribute the source. Since Lena Key stated in their edit to Talia Hibbert that they were merging from Draft:Talia Hibbert, that requirement was met. As I say, this is not normal, and it might have been kinder if Lena Kay slowed down a bit and gave you a chance to respond to their question before taking action. But what we write anywhere in Wikipedia does not belong to us. (Well, strictly it does, but we have given permission to anybody else to use it). --ColinFine (talk) 22:45, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine. I didn't link to the article because I was more concerned with general practice and thought I provided enough information about the situation. Lena Key and I have communicated through our Talk pages and reached compromise I feel comfortable with, but I thank you for answering my question. I understand the open nature of Wikipedia's publishing platform and that I've given up all rights to what I have written, which is why I was more interested in what is generally acceptable and what I should expect when working with other user's written content and their interactions with mine moving forward. ReadingRed (talk) 22:56, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, ReadingRed. I guessed that you might have deliberately not mentioned it. But "general practice" is not how Wikipedia mostly works. There are guidelines and policies, of course, but it's usually not only easier, but also more meaningful, to answer a specific question. (Also, when people come on here or the help desk and studiously avoid being specific, it is often because they are involved in a dispute, and are hoping that somebody will give them a "general solution" that they can wave in their opponent's face and say "da-dah! I'm right!". See wikilawyering). And, as you discovered, the information is all there anyway, and an experienced editor will just go looking for it, and be mildly irritated at you for making it harder. --ColinFine (talk) 12:39, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

My user page does not exist

Dear 'experienced Wikipedia editor', When I click on my User page, (User:Alfonse Dubas), or User:Alfonse Dubas, it says that the page does not exist. The hyperlink is also red. I was wondering why my user page does not exist? Thank you, Alfonse Dubas Alfonse Dubas (talk) 22:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC) Alfonse Dubas (talk) 22:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Alfonse Dubas Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your user page doesn't exist because you haven't created it yet. There is no requirement that you do so- many users edit for years without anything on their user page at all, and others just redirect it to their user talk page. If you would like to tell the Wikipedia community a little bit about yourself in the context of your Wikipedia editing or use, you may do so. The guidelines for user page content may be read by clicking WP:USERPAGE. (by the way I simplified the link, as the whole web address is not necessary in this case). 331dot (talk) 22:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Alfonse Dubas, that would be because you have not created it. Click the redlink, and you will be taken to an edit window where you can add content and publish your userpage. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 22:21, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! Alfonse Dubas (talk) 22:29, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I typed "Do it here." to turn it blue. You can now delete that and add your own content. David notMD (talk) 01:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Archiving a web page displaying interactive graphs from a data portal

I have recently created a new article Water supply and sanitation in the Wellington region. I successfully archived the urls of web references for this article, apart from a site that displays interactive information from a data portal. Here is a link to one example of a page that I could not successfully archive: https://www.waternz.org.nz/Category?Action=View&Category_id=1008

I was not able to get the Wayback machine to successfully take a snapshot of this url. The archive captures the screen headings and borders etc, but not the charts and then shows error messages. Is there another way I can generate a snap shot that shows the graphs ? Marshelec (talk) 23:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Marshelec, I tried taking a capture using Archive.is and it seems to be working fine: does this suit your purposes? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:56, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu Perfect, thanks Marshelec (talk) 06:39, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Merge consensus

A discussion to merge a page has been going on for over a year with near universal support for the merger. What happens next? How are pages actually merged? Page is here. GPinkerton (talk) 00:53, 17 April 2020 (UTC) GPinkerton (talk) 00:53, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

GPinkerton: if the consensus is clear, any user (including involved users) may close the discussion by adding {{Discussion top|result=The result of this discussion was… . ~~~~}} to the top and {{Discussion bottom}} to the bottom. In addition, you can add {{Old merge full}} to the talk page of the source article. Then you can perform the merge by following these instructions. --MrClog (talk) 07:44, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@MrClog: Thanks for the advice; I followed the steps but how can I get someone to look over the merged page and check it was done properly? There are a few issues with the merging of reference lists I'm unsure how to fix as well. GPinkerton (talk) 18:54, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Question from Firestar9990

how do I add links to other websites? and how do I cite things?-firestar9990 Firestar9990 (talk) 05:44, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Firestar9990: Hi there, you can link to another site by adding a single bracket around your link. If you put a space after the URL, you can create a hyperlink. So something like [http://en.wikipedia.org this] will show up like this. Citing things is a little more complicated; you'll want to read up on how to use ref tags and cite templates at Help:Referencing for beginners. If you want to learn more about Wikitext in general, take a look at Help:Wikitext. Cheers, bibliomaniac15 06:00, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Firestar9990: If you find our normal ‘referencing for beginners’ guide a bit confusing, do take a look at this guidance page that I’ve put together for new editors struggling to understand how to add references. Do note that links to other websites must not go in the main body of an article. They’re fine being used in an ‘External links’ section, and in talk pages. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:15, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Firestar9990: Well, some limited use of links is fine in an external links section. We try to avoid creating a link farm. Each external link has to have a reasonable justification for being included. See WP:EL for details. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:12, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Non-free material for Wikimedia projects use only

I know Wikimedia / Wikipedia has a dislike against non-free content, however, I'm hoping you could help me out with this one. I occasionally edit the Nathan Wyburn page and I have an association with the subject personally. We would both like to know if it is possible to upload the artist's non-free content only for the use on the Wikimedia projects, and if so, how we go about it. (So giving exclusive permissions to Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons to use the images, but not able to be used outside of the Wikimedia projects.) Up until now, I've had to upload it myself and then get the artist to send an email to OTRS. All of the wiki pages don't seem to be clear enough for me to properly understand the policies and procedures as I don't want to risk losing my account. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated! Mthowells200130 (talk) 08:35, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

It couldn't be uploaded to Commons under these circumstances, as anything hosted there needs to be under a license that allows commercial re-use. Unfortunately it's not possible to give exclusive permission to Wikipedia to host something, as Wikipedia content by definition can be re-used by anyone for any purpose including commercial resale. English Wikipedia can host low-resolution images as fair-use provided all ten of these conditions are met; the key phrase in these circumstances would be used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. That is, if a work is particularly significant to the artist's career such that a reader couldn't really understand the artist without it, we could host a non-free image of it. ‑ Iridescent 08:45, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the information! I've been caught out by copyright a few times so this has been a great help. Mthowells200130 (talk) 08:48, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mthowells200130. Just going to add that while it might be possible to upload an example of an artist's work to use in a Wikipedia article written about them, Wikipedia's non-free content use policy also encourages us to minimize non-free content use whenever possible and use free content (including text) instead. So, one non-free file of an artist's work is already considered pretty exceptional per relevant policy even when it's use is considered to satisfy the ten non-free content use criteria Iridescent mentioned above, but multiple examples are going to be much harder to justify and anything that gives the appearance of being a non-free gallery of the artist's work is going to be near impossible to justify. Ideally whatever image(s) you choose, should be one(s) that has (have) been the subject of critical commentary in independent reliable sources about the artist of their work and are generally seen by such sources as most representative of the artist's output or particular style. Try to remember that even if the artist does decide to release versions of his work under a Creative Commons license so that they can be uploaded to Commons, Wikipedia articles are still not really intended to be image galleries per se per WP:NOTGALLERY and image use should be related to the article content as much as possible per WP:IUP#Adding images to articles.

Finally, if you've been in contact with the artist and are making any edits on their behalf, please take a look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest to see whether it might apply to you. Sometimes the people who are written about on Wikipedia don't have a good understanding of WP:OWN, WP:BIOSELF or WP:COISELF and mistakenly assume that the article was written for them or their benefit rather than simply be written about them; so, they assume they have some sort of editorial control of the article. I'm not accusing you or the artist of doing anything wrong here; just pointing out something you may not be aware of. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:36, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the further clarification Marchjuly! Yep, I'm fully aware about not turning any article into a gallery, I'm particularly focusing on the artwork that the media has picked up on and which can be backed up on with reliable sources. And I have tried to declare my COI - I have it on my user page and will consider adding it to the article's talk page also. The artist has no editorial control, however he does send me source links to include. But I'm aware my COI can be a bit of an issue due to my affiliation with the subject. Thank you for the pointers, I've been on Wiki for a few years but I'm still getting my head round it! Mthowells200130 (talk) 10:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Is there a way to copy-paste large blocks of Wiki source code without using my device’s clipboard?

I am currently working on the Talking Tom and Friends franchise and related articles by copying pages to my sandbox, then copying them to mainspace once fixed (I’m just a fan of that franchise who noticed that some of the articles need to be rewritten) and I noticed that my device (an iPad 2017 (I know it’s old, I’ll be upgrading next year)) keeps on crashing once an entire page is selected, but before I can copy. This didn’t happen on the first time I copied large pieces of text here (maybe I was just lucky) but since last week, my device refuses to copy more than 20k bytes of code (maybe because Wikipedia’s editor is a bit resource-hungry? Or maybe Apple is downgrading performance through iPadOS?). I have been managing this by copying pages part by part when I have to move them, but that method is too tedious (it takes about 5 seconds for the copy option to show up each time)
So, is there any tool to copy entire pages to my sandbox and back to mainspace without altering the page history? RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 09:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

RedBulbBlueBlood9911, there aren't any tools I'm aware of, but have you considered using some sort of PC or Mac? — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 10:20, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Berrely, I can’t use laptops also since the one I can use is too slow when editing (comparable to my iPad) RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 11:03, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

RedBulbBlueBlood9911, there are likely some gadgets that could do this, but practically none of them work on iOS or Android. Maybe there is an app in the App Store that can let you copy/paste differently? — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 11:07, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Berrely, I am actually looking for an alternative way within Wikipedia (besides, I couldn’t find any apps that promise to be capable of copying large blocks of text without crashing my tab). All I need is a way to duplicate a page to my sandbox and do the reverse once I’m done (if the page-moving tool is like cutting and pasting something, I am looking for a copy-paste option). RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 11:18, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

RedBulbBlueBlood9911, sadly, I don't think there is a way to do that. As mw:Help:Copying a page says, there is no built-in way to copy a Wikipedia page. If you want you can tell me the page name and I copy it for you? — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 12:11, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

RedBulbBlueBlood9911, would it be possible to transfer content to draftspace, working on it there, and then move it to the main articlespace? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:02, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Berrely, thanks for your assistance, but since I’m already working on a draft, I won’t need any pages to be copied till I complete that draft. Tenryuu, that is exactly what I meant. Sorry if my question wasn’t clear enough before. RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 02:35, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Articles that dashboard may not have picked

Articles, Alum Sandra Ogwang Santa and Achiro Lucy that I edited seem not to have been picked by the dashboard because they are not reflecting in statistics of my contribution. If true what could be the problem. Thanks. More insight on the matter will be highly appreciated. Alvinategyeka (talk) 09:15, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "the dashboard" in this context, but Draft:Alum Sandra Ogwang Santa and Draft:Achiro Lucy Otim are listed at Special:Contributions/Alvinategyeka. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps the the Wikipedia dashboard? — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 10:24, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing

I want to add Thinus Alsworth-Elvey who is CEO: Sanlam Corporate to the list of executives. How do I do that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanlam JulieEtheridge (talk) 10:26, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

JulieEtheridge, do you have any source for the edit? If you do, I suggest reading WP:REQUEST, it tells you how to request an edit and have another editor fulfil it. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 10:40, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Paytm First Games

Hey, my article Draft:Paytm First Games was recently declined, can anyone please have a look and tell me how to better it to get it approved? Many thanks! Alisha9891 (talk) 10:31, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Alisha9891 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As you were told by the reviewer, your draft does not currently have independent reliable sources with significant coverage to support the content of the article and indicate how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Your sources are just press releases or routine business announcements, which do not establish notability. I see that the platform is the only subject you have written about. Do you have any connection to it? 331dot (talk) 10:36, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Updating outdated trade league table.

I have a keen interest in the economy and trade between nations. I often refer to a Wikipedia article “List of Countries by net trade”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_exports

I noticed the information was getting quite out of date and took it upon me to update it.

Unfortunately the source data itself from the CIA worldbook is itself two years out of date.

I managed to download their import and export world tables, their GDP growth table and combined the two To arrive at net exports and sorted the table.

I wrote a clever excel formula to Create exactly the same Wiki table entries.

I cut and pasted them into the wiki edit page.

The result looks ok

The new table has more countries and a few did not have a valid flag lookup.

I’d like someone to look over my work and I’d like to share the Excel formula that produces a wiki table from a spreadsheet

Could be quite useful for similar tables that require annual updates.

Regards user Marcus Lasance 83.200.151.190 (talk) 11:49, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Marcus. Thank you for wanting to improve Wikipedia. Unfortunately, it sounds to me as if the work you are doing is original research, and not acceptable for Wikipedia. The problem is that if a random user next week or next year wants to use the data but be sure it is accurate (eg hasn't been vandalised) they must be able to find a reliable source for the data (preferably, a source cited in the Wikipedia article, though that isn't compulsory). But your work could not be cited to a source, because you are combining information from separate places. --ColinFine (talk) 12:48, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Colin, Can't say I agree with your comments. None of the data is my original research. Each column has a footnote that takes you straight to the original published information. In this case the CIA world fact book. It's just that the CIA publication has a separate page for Exports and imports What the article does is subtract one from the other in a wiki sortable table. Remember the article is three years old and I did not write it. I just updated the data. Regards Marcus Lasancmt (talk) 13:40, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Lasancmt: ColinFine is giving you the correct advice here. We do not publish items that have been manipulated by editors, even if it's a simple subtraction of one set of numbers from another. See WP:OR. If your net import/export table had been published in a magazine or journal that would be fine. Wikipedia itself is not a publishing platform. You can argue this all you like, but it's a core principle of Wikipedia.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 13:51, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I sympathise with Lasancmt. He's being told that out-of-date trivially-original research is acceptable, but current trivially-original research is not. If that's a correct interpretation of a WP policy, then that policy is crazy. Maproom (talk) 14:07, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

ThatMontrealIP, re: even if it's a simple subtraction of one set of numbers from another—that seems at odds with the WP:CALC section of WP:OR which says that Routine calculations do not count as original research, provided there is consensus among editors that the result of the calculation is obvious, correct, and a meaningful reflection of the sources. Obviously consensus can change, but it seems that for a long time it's been accepted on that page that subtracting imports from exports satisfies the proviso given. YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 14:12, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I sympathise as well, Maproom. Others may disagree with my interpretation. But the second sentence of SYNTHESIS reads "Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source". Can a derived table be called a "conclusion"? I don't know. Lasancmt, perhaps you'd like to ask at NORN and see if the consensus agrees with me or not. --ColinFine (talk) 14:14, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, It's perhaps worth noting that exactly this debate about the article was started on its talk page shortly after its creation, subsequent to a contested WP:PROD. The discussion was closed three years later with no consensus. YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 14:19, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

My understanding is that simple math (subtracting one column from the other), to create a value that is an accepted term in the normally accepted way (as is net exports), is ok per WP:CALC. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:39, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Having said that, and now looked at the table, it seems a little different to me when the component values (exports and imports) are not shown in the table. Does that cross the line into WP:SYNTH because it's no longer simple math on already presented/cited data? The %GDP might suffer the same, since the GDP isn't shown. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:48, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

As my math teachers in school used to say, show your work. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:03, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that when WP:CALC says Routine calculations, it means one or two calculations on a page, not few dozen. The examples given (age calculations etc) point to that conclusion as well.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:19, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: It also says "converting units", which is routinely used hundreds of times in tables. Not that it's a good argument (per WP:OSE) so I won't list them, but we've got examples of calculations in various fields that at least demonstrate a consensus that they can be OK. Economics is not my field, but I've a feeling this would seem usual and uncontroversial to an economist. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:27, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but to be fair, converting units is a mathematical operation performed on one source. For example, a routine calculation of miles per hour to kn/h. What we are talking about here is math on two sources to produce a third number: original research.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Olivier Varenne

Hello, could I have some advice on the page for Olivier Varenne please? 2A00:23C7:3706:4500:C10D:E825:2583:25B8 (talk) 12:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello. The advice given by Robert McClenon on Draft:Olivier Varenne the fourth time it was submitted was that "This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia". What is there about the link in that message (and all the previous comments and notices of being declined) that you don't understand? You might find it helpful to read CSMN, and AMOUNT as well. --ColinFine (talk) 12:54, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

My advice is: stop submitting it. You have repeatedly been asked to find sources that establish that Varenne is notable, and repeatedly failed to do so. By continuing to submit it without evidence of notability, you are wasting your own time as well as that of the reviewers. Maproom (talk) 13:17, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

The editor who rejected it (McClenon) did recommend starting a discussion here at Teahouse, so you deserve a bit more of an answer. But first, a question: are you the same person as RubyOcean? You and RO have edited this draft - is it that at times you do not remember to log in? Please use only one account. Second, the article is tagged with suspicion of undisclosed paid editing. IF YOU ARE BEING PAID OR HAVE A PERSONAL CONNECTION TO THE TOPIC, disclose that on your User page. Last, but most important - all of the references are useless. They confirm that Olivier Varenne works at MONA and various exhibitions took place at MONA (or elsewhere, organized by Varenne), but none of the references are to published content ABOUT Varenne. Thus, I agree with everyone - not notable, stop submitting. David notMD (talk) 14:48, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Jasonhogarth adding an interview with OV as a reference does not contribute to notability. David notMD (talk) 20:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I rejected the draft because, as both User:David notMD and my notes said, the draft was submitted four times without improvement, and also because the submitter did not answer the question about conflict of interest. I am not saying that Varenne is not notable, or that Varenne is notable. I am saying that the draft does not establish that Varenne is notable, and it is the responsibility of the author of a draft to establish notability. The repeated resubmissions without improving the article were wasting the time of the author and the reviewers, which is why the ability to Reject a draft was developed. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:38, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

How to close a disussion

How do I close a disusssion properly on My talk page? Abdullah Al Manjur (talk) 14:11, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Abdullah Al Manjur. Try this script. Interstellarity (talk) 14:20, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

But what does heading section mean? Abdullah Al Manjur (talk) 14:37, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Abdullah Al Manjur, it's the heading of the section content is under; for example, the heading of this question is "How to close a disussion [sic]". —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:06, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Oh now I understand Abdullah Al Manjur (talk) 15:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing Francis Thompson - English Poet

 Courtesy link: Francis Thompson

Re: Francis Thompson

I am a writer/director and among many of my film and theatre work, I am presently in production with a feature film about Francis Thompson called 'HOUND' which is nearly completed. The information below was added on to the above poets page about a year ago and we noticed recently that somehow or other to our dismay the information was removed! (I then added the information back on) I would like to know how this has happened? and by whom? As I have proof of the film and the play version which I can send you on request, as I don't want this information to be taken off again. I also have my own Wikipedia page under Chris Ward (playwright). Also I have noticed all of my productions of 'HOUND' have also been removed from my page. (Which I am currently going to add this back on).

Thank you for your assistance in this matter and look forward to hearing from you.

Best wishes

Chris Ward Wet Paint Theatre/Films

In 2012, Chris Ward's filmscript, Visions in the Life of the Victorian poet Francis Thompson 'Hound' was staged at the Riverside Studios, Hammersmith and following that the stage version was taken on a tour of London's churches including St Giles-in-the Fields and in St Olav's (City of London) in May 2014. The Film of 'HOUND' is now in production with a cast including Wayne Sleep, Toyah Willcox, Hazel O'Connor and the role of Francis Thompson is played by Daniel Hutchingson, to be released in 2021.

79.65.248.166 (talk) 15:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Can you please cite your reliable sources independent from your subject (i.e., secondary sources about the film or the stageplay) on the article? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:20, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

The paragraph was about a film that is due to be released next year. Maybe, after the film's release, there will be reviews of it that justify mention of it in the article. Meanwhile, I've removed the paragraph again. Maproom (talk) 15:45, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

For the reasons given, please do not add mention of the not-yet-released film to either Francis Thompson or Chris Ward (playwright) David notMD (talk) 20:02, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Forgot Password

Forgot password

How do you recover your account if you forgot the password? 2603:9001:5800:0:547D:7266:6982:88E9 (talk) 15:34, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

If you added an email address to your account, you can click on the Forgot password button, enter the email you used to sign up with your account, check your email for a password reset link, and enter a new password. If not, there is no way to recover your account. You will need to create a new one. Interstellarity (talk) 16:12, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Accidentally moved draft's talk page to the main space???

Resolved

 – Draft talk page accidentally moved over to mainspace article location; moved back by administrator. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:07, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I inadvertently moved the draft talk page to the main space with the article's name Yorkton Film Festival Golden Sheaf Award - Drama. How can I undo that action? I wanted to move the article to the main space with that name and am not sure how to reverse it. Thank you. I did think I was being careful but had forgoten what page I was on..... : - ( LorriBrown (talk) 15:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC) LorriBrown (talk) 15:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@LorriBrown: I have requested admin assistance at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Teahouse_question. They can probably fix it for you. Interstellarity (talk) 16:03, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done DMacks (talk) 16:08, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@DMacks: Thanks for your help. Interstellarity (talk) 16:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: & ::@DMacks: I appreciate both of your help! I apologize that I wasn't paying close enough attention before making that move.... Thank you for fixing it though.  : - ) LorriBrown (talk) 18:33, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@LorriBrown: It's not a big deal. I've done it before. That's what admins are here for. Interstellarity (talk) 21:06, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Category question

I have an odd question because I see categories for both. What's the difference between [[::Category:American women ambassadors]] vs. [[::Category:American women diplomats]]? I thought an ambassador and diplomat were the same thing, no? Snickers2686 (talk) 16:49, 17 April 2020 (UTC) Snickers2686 (talk) 16:49, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Some people such as Eleanor Roosevelt were diplomats but not ambassadors. It's harder to justify discrepancies the other way round; perhaps more ambassadors such as Anne Armstrong should be added to the diplomat category. Certes (talk) 17:00, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Snickers2686. Roughly speaking, an ambassador is the leader of a country's diplomats in another country. See more at Ambassador and Diplomat. There are usually many diplomats in the country so most diplomats are not ambassadors. Category:American women diplomats only has 8% more members than Category:American women ambassadors but that's because ordinary diplomats usually aren't notable enough to have an article. Category:Ambassadors of the United States is a subcategory of Category:American diplomats. For some reason, Category:American women ambassadors is not currently a subcategory of Category:American women diplomats. The former is only two months old so the connection was probably just overlooked by the creator Postcard Cathy. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:01, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

I can’t remember why I didn’t put it there. But if someone else feels it should, feel free to add an ambassador category to the larger diplomat category.

But yes, there is a difference between a diplomat and an ambassador. A consul general is a diplomat, but not an ambassador. Hilary Clinton as Secretary of State, AFAIK, was never an ambassador so she would be listed as a diplomat and not an ambassador. Postcard Cathy (talk) 01:07, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Can I use scripting to create a table, write it to an ASCII file, and import it into Wikipedia?

I want to create Wikipedia pages that show the results of the US Superbike National Championship from 1976 to today.

I would like the data to appear in the format that is used for the World Superbike Championship results, for example: [[1]]. (One column per event.)

The data currently exists in a more linear format on a Wordpress page: [[2]] (One table per event.)

Could I use scripting to extract the data from the Wordpress page and insert it into a Wikipedia table? Python or Perl, for example. Otherwise it will be a painful manual procedure. I don't see scripting described anywhere in your help. I would convert the Wordpress page to ASCII text, read it with a script, manipulate the data, and write it to a new ASCII file in the table format. Can I import an ASCII file into Wikipedia? I can imagine some hand cleanup would still be required.

Thanks Shercomike (talk) 17:20, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Shercomike: what you are suggesting might be allowable (others can comment on that), but from the looks of it, you would have to find a proper source. Anyone can set up a Wordpress site, so it is very likely not a reliable source and would not be a good site to use as the data source.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:15, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Talk Page Improvements

I understand that it is likely not good for an inexperienced user such as myself to create an archive of a talk page. However, an article I care about Miranda Warning seems to have a lot of irrelevant questions on its talk page, as well as some that would be better off archived. What is the best procedure for marking these as so, so a more experienced editor/bot can deal with the problem? ThatSuperNerd (talk) 18:41, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@ThatSuperNerd: Archiving is a little technically tricky, but instructions are here. I just added some bot archiving to the page, so hopefully that'll clean up the old conversations. In general, people only pay attention to the recent ones, so it's not a huge deal unless it's slowing down the page. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:47, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much! It is much appreciated! ThatSuperNerd (talk) 19:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict):ThatSuperNerd, Sdkb summoned Lowercase sigmabot III to the page and it is scheduled to archive discussions that have not been edited for 180 days. You may change this time by going into the source code and changing the algo parameter in the bot's template. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:53, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@ThatSuperNerd, Sdkb, and Tenryuu: Can I just observe that, in my opinion, it is generally a mistake to archive article talk page posts after a set time - at least not unless one also sets the archive 'minthreadsleft=' parameter to a dozen or more of the latest posts. My rationale is as follows: An inactive talk page needs no archiving at all. It is helpful to know that, say, since 2005 there has been only one post there; one doesn't have to go checking for non-existent archive pages. If, however, it is a pretty active talk page, then having at least the last dozen or so posts visible is quite helpful, and one only has to visit the archives for the less current posts. If, however, there have only been twenty posts in total over the last fifteen years, being able to see at a glance that twelve of them were made between, say, 2010 and today, is quite helpful. One only has to look into the archives if one really wants to go back a long way. An article talk page set to archive all but the last half dozen talk page posts (if they're older than a set age), falls somewhere in between, and is not helpful. This approach forces the reader to open up archive pages unnecessarily. Note: this isn't an official Wikipedia position - just my own view on making life simpler for the user, and also keep a talk page under control. So I urge care when considering whether and how to archive talk pages, please. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:58, 17 April 2020 (UTC)    

@Nick Moyes: I think the issue was that ThatSuperNerd found many questions on there that were WP:NOTFORUM and are cluttering up the talk page, such as Talk:Miranda warning#You're still allowed to TALK right? and Talk:Miranda warning#Help me understand something. They've been manually archiving questions (though I think someone recently brought them back). I could see a point being made to use something like {{hat}} and applying it to all the WP:NOTFORUM questions to reduce the apparent size, though.

Draft:Voxa notability issues

Previous discussion: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1055#Requesting edit on Draft:Voxa

Hello All,

I posted here earlier asking for help with submitting the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Voxa page. I have been told that it doesn't have enough cited information, however I don't think this is true. I have reviewed this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Common_sourcing_mistakes_(notability), and feel that adequate citations exist. I have 3rd party sources that have written paragraphs in articles about either Voxa or the product it has created, Mochii. As I said on MER-C's talk page, I am a 16 year student who is new to publishing content to Wikipedia and I seem to be spinning in circles. This company came to my school a while back and I have been following them since, and the rocket launch seemed like quite a notable event. I have edited the tone of the page a lot to make sure that it is not promotional, and had someone on Teahouse deem that the tone is now up to scratch. I have cited 5 articles that discuss a rocket launch which had one of Voxa's products on it and these sources have around 2 paragraphs written about the product as the page on citations asks for, "think generally two paragraphs of text focused on the topic at issue.". I have also cited a NASA page which writes about the product. Along with these, I've also cited an independent research paper which mentions one of the company's other products and have cited the 2018 microscopy today innovation awards. Winning industry awards and having a product on the ISS both seem to be pretty notable things to me.

I am unclear as to why these don't qualify as legitimate sources. I have looked at other Wikipedia pages for help, for instance this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramit_Sethi, and don't see how that has better sourcing that qualifies. The Ramit Sethi page cites an article that interviews his parents, a lot of his company's websites, and an interview with people that he has worked with. I don't see how this is considered better sourcing than what I have provided.

Could someone please help and explain the threshold that is needed for adequate citations and explain to me what I am doing wrong. Any help would be amazing! Sachin Zachariah (talk) 21:47, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sachin Zachariah: Never bother pointing at and comparing with existing articles (except maybe those with Good Article status) because it's always possible you're pointing at a mistake that slipped through the cracks.

Here is a guide on how to quickly write articles that will not be rejected. What you need are at least three sources that are:

• specifically and primarily about Voxa (not Mochii or Blade)
• not connected to, affiliated with, nor dependent upon Voxa nor anyone who works with or for it
• are professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources (GeekWire seems to qualify, but you can't rely on just them)

Of the sources you have, most (e.g. [3], [4]) such as fail the first point (if a source doesn't even mention Voxa, then it's just wasting your time and ours). Even the GeekWire articles aren't specifically about Voxa but their products. Voxa's own website and product sites fail the second point.

Summarize those sources and then [paraphrase]] that summary as if Voxa's competitors were writing it, then post that. Don't add anything else, this limited material is to demonstrate notability without clutter that might be confused for advertising. Once the article is approved, then you can expand it (sticking to bare facts about the company). Ian.thomson (talk) 22:07, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Sachin Zachariah. I'm delighted that a sixteen year old is contributing to Wikipedia, and I hope that you will get past the current frustration and stay. But I'm afraid that running in circles is a common experience for new editors (of any age) who plunge straight into the very difficult task of creating a new article, without having spent some time learning how Wikipedia works. One point that is relevant is that notability is not inherited. If you can show that one of their products is notable, this might ground an article about that product; but this does not necessarily mean that the company is, and vice versa. It follows that sources which talk, even at length, about a product without more than mentioning the company do not contribute to the company's notability. --ColinFine (talk) 22:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the helpful responses. Would y'all suggest that I first create a page talking about the Mochii product considering how much more information there is online about it and then move towards creating the Voxa page. Sachin Zachariah (talk) 22:54, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sachin Zachariah: Yep. More available sources = easier to write about. If you can find sources that describe what makes it distinct from other electron microscopes, you may want to focus on those (again, writing as if Voxa's competitors were writing the article) or else the reviewer might go "this is just an advert for a specific microscope." Ian.thomson (talk) 22:58, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Moving New Draft to Mainspace

How can I check the status of a new page I created called "WangShui"? I created the draft a while ago and am wondering when or how it will be moved to the mainspace? Thank you Fv3000 (talk) 22:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

• Note: Asked and answered at the help desk. Eagleash (talk) 22:14, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:WangShui. At Help, you were given instruction on how to submit your draft. However, if you do, it will be declined. Your first and third refs are interviews with the artist. Your only other ref us the artist's website. None of these are accepted as establishing notability. David notMD (talk) 23:11, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Guessing this is a separate topic?

Australia, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and Papua New Guinea are not belong to the Intercontinental and Trans Oceanic fixed links because this countries are too far away from the mainland continents. Aldrin Orlanes Politico (talk) 00:57, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Australia, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and Papua New Guinea are not belong to Intercontinental and Trans Oceanic fixed links because this countries are too far away from the mainland continents. Aldrin Orlanes Politico (talk) 01:00, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Aldrin Orlanes Politico: I think you may have been trying to reach another talk page. The Teahouse is for new editors to ask for help using Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:51, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

The state of Wikipedia as a nonpartisan encylopedia

IP: This is a question and answer forum for new users. If you have a question on our topic, we'll be happy to help. This is not a general discussion forum for en.wiki. That's found at WP:VP. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 01:55, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

find too many articles that have questionable stances in their topics. To provide an example, Artificial Intelligence is a very popular topic these days, and I find these articles irritating at the least and difficult to glean any useful information. There are so many impartial opinions inserted in these articles, even fake citations/broken links I won't go past the first page in reading. Example pages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence Problems here are uses of poorly defined terms with questionable citations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-complete The links provided are either so ancient they are literally only on the Internet Wayback Machine, or some junk website with inaccessible papers that have as far as I can tell, nothing to do with AI (something about frogs-tectums and maximum food). The person cited "Fanya Moltavo" does not seem to have anything to do with AI. With regards to the impartiality and the frequent use of non-existent-nothing-to-do-with-ai-female-oriented-topics just seems to me like a lot of pro-feminist malarky. My own politics aside, I'd like to keep Wikipedia impartial. I have donated good money in the past to help keep Wikipedia online. I am an educated individual, and I find Wikipedia to be a wonderful resource. I'll vote with my money if I have to. 71.32.50.78 (talk) 01:41, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Disappointed over submitting articles for review

Am really very much disappointed, I created article Lucy Achiro a while back but as it was waiting to reviewed, another editor created another article (same person) in the main space directly yesterday ,that's how my submission was declined today! This is not the first time, some time back, I created Nasiyo kamugo and as in the case above mine was rejected just because it took long before it could be reviewed. Now am sure this is exactly the fate that awaits my other submited article draft Alum Sandra ogwang Santa because I created it 3 days ago and it is awaiting review. Am disappointed and am inquiring if I should never submit articles again, maybe I should always create them on the main space directly because it's like am wasting time. Advice on this will be highly appreciated. Thanks. Kind regards Alvinategyeka (talk) 05:24, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Two versions of article, and unhappy submitter

I have a message on my talk page from an editor who is unhappy. The problem is that he prepared a draft on Draft:Achiro Lucy Otim. While it was waiting to be reviewed, another editor put an article in article space on the same person. Maybe they were both reading the same newspaper. Because there was already an article in article space, I declined the draft, but I tagged the draft to be merged into the article. Am I correct that this was the right way to handle the duplication? What can be said to the editor who didn't become the originator of the article, other than that they can edit and improve the article? Robert McClenon (talk) 05:33, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

What is the process to improve my article?

Aldrin Orlanes Politico (talk) 06:17, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

What is the process to improve my article?

Can i write a biography for a famous person?

The Biography Master THEBIOGRAPHYMASTER (talk) 06:23, 18 April 2020 (UTC)