User talk:David notMD

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  The Original Barnstar Thanks for all your efforts on medical articles. Best. Doc James 10 April 2017 (UTC)
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  Tireless Contributor Barnstar Thank you for being a dedicated, smart, and fantastic person in the GA review. I am very impressed with your knowledge and dedication. I hope we can work together in the future. AmericanAir88 12 Novembehank)
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  The Original Barnstar Congratulations on getting Vitamin C to GA status through a fair bit of turbulence! Chiswick Chap 27 November 2017 (UTC)
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  Barnstar of Diligence Thank you for your assistance overseeing the student edits. You help was greatly appreciated! JenOttawa 28 November 2017 (UTC)
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  Barnstar of Life You have made many, many, many significant improvements to medical content here on Wikipedia. You should have been awarded this barnstar a long time ago. The Vitamin C article is exquisite. Barbara (WVS) 7 February 2018 (UTC)
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  The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar I watched the "Averell Smith" saga unfold at the Teahouse, and wanted to thank you for your time and effort. You set a good example for others to follow... Tribe of Tiger Seconded. Deb 10 March 2018 (UTC)
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  The Compass BarnstarI just wanted to thank you again for all of the help that you have lent me during the process in getting Chromium to FA... UtopianPoyzin 12 October 2018 (UTC)
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  The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar Awarding you this star because you took the time and care to assist this new contributor with their first article. Your edits and participation encourage me to be a more engaged contributor. Many thanks. MBAWilbins 30 October 2019 (UTC)
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  The Teahouse Barnstar For being the most active editor at the Teahouse. Interstellarity (talk) 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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  The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar Thank you for your kindness and support! LorriBrown (talk) 02:45, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
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  The Copyeditor's Barnstar Thank you for all of the ref fix on Ann Walker of Lightcliffe Kimdorris (talk) 02:23, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
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  The Editor's Barnstar Thank you very much! Princesse Marissa (talk) 17:03, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
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  Brilliant Idea Barnstar Thank you! Roccie (talk) 17:53, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

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	Thanks for helping me out David notMD!!! ILoveCocomelon (talk) 11:21, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

My successful GA nominations

• Egg allergy (Nov 12, 2017)
• Vitamin C (Nov 27, 2017)
• Milk allergy (Feb 15, 2018)
• Brown-tail moth (July 25, 2018)
• Luna moth (August 17, 2018)
• Red yeast rice (August 15, 2019)
• Folate (October 7, 2019)
• Vitamin B12 (April 24, 2020)
• Pantothenic acid (3 July 2020)
• Niacin (8 August 2020)
• Vitamin K (26 October 2020)

DYKs I've reviewed (keeping track of)

• West African bichir (used)
• Nemobius sylvestris (used)
• Megachile chomskyi (used)
• Robin Ling (used)
• Harold Basil Christian (used)
• General George Washington Resigning His Commission (used)
• Oriental Basin pocket gopher (used)
• Vel blood group (used)
• Alexandrea Owens (used)
• Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (used))

And the ones I nominated

• Egg allergy for GA (used 12/5-6/17; on that day, increased daily views by 3,600. Before the DYK ~150 views/day)
• Vitamin C for GA (used 1/10-11/18; on that day, increased daily views by 2,200. Before the DYK ~3,000 views/day)
• I Saw the Figure 5 in Gold for 5X expansion (used 2/20-21/18 with image; on that day, increased daily views by 10,000. Before the DYK ~30 views/day)
• Milk allergy for GA (used 3/14-15/18; on that day increased daily views by 3,000. Before the DYK ~200 views/day)
• Brown-tail moth for GA (used 3/20-21/18; on that day increased daily views by 3,100. Before the DYK ~95 views/day)
• Luna moth for GA (used 9/12-13/18 with image; on that day increased daily views by 8,400. Before the DYK ~700 views/day)
• Vitamin deficiency for 5X DECLINED as not valid 5X expansion; March 2019
• Red yeast rice for GA (used 9/9-10/19; (submitted image not used) on that day increased daily views by 2,200. Before the DYK ~ 300 views/day)
• Folate for GA (used 10/26-27/19; on that day increased daily views by 700 (disappointing). Before the DYK ~ 1,675 views/day)
• Vitamin B12 for GA (used 5/17-18/20; on that day increased daily views by 1,300. Before the DYK ~ 2,700 views/day)
• Pantothenic acid chose to not nominate after raising to GA because there were no interesting facts.
• Niacin for GA (used 8/30-31/20; on that day increased daily views by 3,300. Before the DYK ~ 1,000 views/day) )

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors! (2017)

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The 2017 Cure Award

In 2017 you were one of the top ~250 medical editors across any language of Wikipedia. Thank you from Wiki Project Med Foundation for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date health information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do! Wiki Project Med Foundation is a user group whose mission is to improve our health content. Consider joining here, there are no associated costs.

Thanks again :-) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 03:01, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

It's been fun rooting around in the dark recesses of articles on dietary supplements, nutrients, and such. David notMD (talk) 12:38, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors! (2018)

The 2018 Cure Award

In 2018 you were one of the top ~250 medical editors across any language of Wikipedia. Thank you from Wiki Project Med Foundation for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date health information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do! Wiki Project Med Foundation is a user group whose mission is to improve our health content. Consider joining here, there are no associated costs.

Thanks again :-) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 17:41, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors! (2019)

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The 2019 Cure Award

In 2019 you were one of the top ~300 medical editors across any language of Wikipedia. Thank you from Wiki Project Med for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date health information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do! Wiki Project Med Foundation is a thematic organization whose mission is to improve our health content. Consider joining here, there are no associated costs.

Thanks again :-) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 18:35, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

A new source on Cerebral Folate Deficiency

Good evening, David! I came across a new review article about Cerebral folate deficiency - in your opinion, is this review good enough to be cited/quoted in the CFD article? Review: PMID 30916789 Hope you are doing fine! Cheers from Russia, ---CopperKettle 14:52, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Definitely a valid ref, and provides info to improve the CFD article. David notMD (talk) 16:37, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh, great! I'm slowly reading this review and am putting some quotes from it at Talk:Cerebral folate deficiency --CopperKettle 17:05, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Hydrogen Water

Hi David, I added substantial information o the hydrogen water talk page (I will not edit the actual page), including all published human trials using water to separate from the databases which also list inhalation or saline (water is used more than frequently than the other methods, at 40-50% of total trials), 4 review articles, including one just published last week, two of them discussing hydrogen water having a higher effect under a much lower dosage (1/100~). I posted other mainstream media articles with more neutral slants, and posted upfront on my conflict of interest (which I have also posted as my own page to my username, in case it is missed elsewhere). TarnavaA (talk) 16:17, 5 June 2019 (UTC)TarnavaA

Hi David, any feedback on the first draft I posted last week for review is much appreciated (the sections didn't convert properly in the talk page). I detailed my reasoning for including certain sections and stated why my bias and conflict of interest may play a role in inclusions. Appreciated, TarnavaA (talk)TarnavaA —Preceding undated comment added 20:11, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi David thanks for the post on my page, I left another message on my own. As an aside, scientifically it makes more sense to talk about the total body of research on hydrogen therapy, as many trials in rodents and even humans are replicative against the various methods (water, inhalation, saline). That said, I am unsure of the ability to speak more to it as "molecular hydrogen therapy" or something like that, and then it gets murkier talking about each section. It is also not clear when to use which method, if each method will work in each model, etc. It is still very green. Just food for thought. TarnavaA (talk)TarnavaA —Preceding undated comment added 23:12, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi David, just following up on this TarnavaA (talk) 23:52, 23 June 2019 (UTC)TarnavaA

Not sure I can get to it soon. I set up the refs and started working on text, but also replying to a reviewer of one of my Good Article nominations. Maybe I can squeeze in my rewrite of the article tomorrow, but not promising. David notMD (talk) 01:33, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

No problem, appreciate your efforts. Let me know if you're stuck on anything in the literature, etc, I am happy to help. TarnavaA (talk) 20:15, 24 June 2019 (UTC)TarnavaA

Whoever edited your article David ignored all reviews and edits and simply reverted to a few horribly researched media articles.. what a shame. TarnavaA (talk)TarnavaA —Preceding undated comment added 00:22, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

This user deleted your contributions saying they were primary studies (you only referenced reviews...) 18:42, 21 August 2019‎ JzG talk contribs‎ looks like others are complaining about this user on his/her page.. may want to simply revert back to your version. Seems to have happened after someone else improperly added a ton of content. TarnavaA (talk)TarnavaA

Hi David, just pinging you as I added a comprehensive list of all human studies on hydrogen therapy to date, broken down to show replicative work and supportive work. 64 human publications to date + 14 others where post hoc anaylsis show the method dissolved H2 in water. Simply for information for yourself and future editors, not asking they be included TarnavaA (talk)TarnavaA —Preceding undated comment added 18:06, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Niacin

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Niacin you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ajpolino -- Ajpolino (talk) 22:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Funny

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Minimal Niacin dose for intramuscular injection enough for a flushing

Thank you for your edits of Niacin. There was a minimal dose specified to produce flushing. However, it was not specified whether it was an oral dose or IM/IV dose. Probably the oral one. If so, we should clarify that. Do you have a good source at hand? Also, it seems that for IM/IV path, even doses as small as 10 mg are enough to produce flushing. Don't you know where can we find the source for that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxim Masiutin (talk • contribs) 20:00, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

In a country where I live (Republic of Moldova), nicotinic acid is only available in pharmacies, as a separate substance, in injectable form only. The oral form is only available in small doses as a vitamin-B complex together with other vitamins. In Russia, situation is the same - the main form is injectable, albeit the tablets of nicotinic acid are avaialable as a serarate substance, the injectable form is more widespread. That's why I have asked to you emphasize on the form of niacin. By the way, I have substantially edited the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYP4F2 today. Could you please review it, maybe you may have some ideas on how can I improve it? Thank you very much in advance for your feedback. -- Maxim Masiutin (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

CYP4F2

Thank you for your suggestions on CYP4F2. I have added the references about the "Chain Shortening", and renamed the section to "Research". I have already had an experience where text with links to in vitro studies about Rutin were reverted. I will try to put them to the separate "Research" section there. -- Maxim Masiutin (talk) 15:47, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Enzyme induction and inhibition

By the way, I'm very interested, currently, in the wider area of Enzyme induction and inhibition, namely CYPs and UGT. I have edited various Wikipedia articles on them during last few weeks. But the information about this is very limited, and is mostly based on in vitro studies so far. Should you know somebody who is also interested in Enzyme induction and inhibition, please let me know. I have been diagnosed with polymorphism in some genes affecting these enzymes even before genetic tests became available and affordable. If I knew by that time how various substances can inhibit or induce some enzymes, life would have been much better then. Thank you! -- Maxim Masiutin (talk) 16:32, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

My (ancient) schooling was in nutritional biochemistry, and career in health claims for dietary supplements, so no connection to academics. I wish you well for your personal health and Wikipedia editing. David notMD (talk) 16:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Do you have consistent data on absorption of water-soluble vitamin with oral route, particularly, group B vitamins? From what I have found, with B2 (riboflavin), after 27 mg, unspecified ("little") amount is absorbed. I have added the section Riboflavin#Pharmacokinetics and wrote there what I have found. As about B12, Wikipedia currently states the values of (quote) "1% to 5%". However, at Pubmed I have found figures of just "1%" (not to 5%) and another article gave "less than 1%". Other B vitamins seem to have much higher oral absorption rate, from 40% to 90%. But the data, as it is presented in Wikipedia, is not consistent. It would have been useful if the "Pharmacokinetics" section of each vitamin clearly listed the absorption rate of the oral route. Additionally, a table with oral absorption rates would have been useful at the B vitamins page. Do you have some reliable data? -- Maxim Masiutin (talk) 19:27, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

A good set of questions. Addressing will take some work. The book "Present Knowledge in Nutrition" has absorption for each B vitamin. Complex, in that for many, the higher the amount consumed, the lower the percentage. Also matters if food form or as supplement. The last edition of PKiN is 10th = 2012. The 11th is due out this July. I think it would be wise to wait for that before addressing bioavailability, either for the individual articles, or for B vitamins. For niacin, the 8th edition (2001), which is on my desk, has "Nicotinic acid and nicotinamide are rapidly absorbed from the stomach and intestine. At low concentrations absorption occurs as Na+-dependent facilitated diffusion, but at higher concentration passive diffusion predominates. Three to four g of niacin given orally can be almost completely absorbed." David notMD (talk) 20:19, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

We can remove the data, on which we have only partial information, from the Pharmacokinetics section in the articles that are nominated, and put this data to articles that are not nominated. For example, if an article "B vitamins" is not nominated, we can put the data there, until we have the full picture.

I will not be participating until I finish the Niacin Good Article review. David notMD (talk) 10:57, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Competence is required

Hi David, You helped me out over at the Teahouse a week or two ago. I have a question I’d prefer not to post there at the risk of being misunderstood. I have not interacted with that editor again, but I have kept tabs on their activity. I am wondering if this might be a case where Wikipedia:Competence is required applies. This editor seems to be acting in good faith but by my estimation their contributions don’t meet the standard of competence. As a beginner I realize I may be misinterpreting the rule and overestimating the level of English mastery required to edit Wikipedia, so I’m asking for your opinion as well as any other advice you may have. If I have indeed misunderstood the rule I am happy to drop it. Thanks in advance. Wallnot (talk) 22:08, 5 July 2020 (UTC) Wallnot (talk) 22:08, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

In looking at Machinexa's recent prolific edits, I continue to see a pattern of addition of near-useless information (chemical composition) and adding text with references where the references do not support the text. In many instances has been reverted, and various editors have left cautions on the user's Talk page, but I do not see an improvement in quality (I just did a batch of Undo). More warnings may help, but I suspect this may need Administrator action to block. I will add a caution on M's Talk page. David notMD (talk) 22:35, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Biotin

I saw that you also edited the Biotin article. I have made a few edits from 28 June 2020 onwards. The essence of the edits is the following. There were information presented in the article that intestinal bacteria synthesize biotin and it is also an additional source for humans. I have removed the statement that it is a source for humans, and found a source that states the opposite. -- Maxim Masiutin (talk) 11:17, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

From Teahouse

I believe the spelling is correct because i know that actor he's a relative to me and my dad told me the spelling of Jaime is wrong it's Jayme. ILoveCocomelon (talk) 18:42, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia requires verification in the form of published content that can be then used as a reference. You found one possible ref, but it had the spelling as Jaime! Unless you can find a reliable source reference, cannot change to Jayme. David notMD (talk) 22:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

It's ok though, but thank you so much for helping!!! ILoveCocomelon (talk) 11:19, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

How do I change the page name?

Thanks for your edits to James Fortune, I am new to this :) but there is another James Fortune who is a musician. Is there something we should change the page name to so it doesn't appear like a dupe? They are two different people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandyfortune (talk • contribs) 14:17, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Advice for newcomers

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I noticed ...

an article in a local newspaper, which I'd like to make a brief comment on in "In the media". The question always comes up on whether I should identify the author. It's been suggested to me that you're something of an expert on this question. So whadaya think? Smallbones_(smalltalk) 20:23, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Not an expert on anything, but if an author is named for an article, I saw include that. A different question is whether a "local newspaper" is a valid reliable source. David notMD (talk) 00:54, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

@Smallbones: Ah... or are you referring to "Maynard in Wikipedia," a column recently published in several Massachusetts newspapers that are in the Gatehouse/Gannett family. In that case, an editor has added a mention of the article on the Talk page of Maynard, Massachusetts. And named me as author. David notMD (talk) 13:17, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Ultrasonic algae control

Hello David

I have been using the system to control algae myself and for friends in garden and swimming ponds. This is why the page was created with some help of a friend, who cannot assist me anymore.

You commented:

Ref #4 goes to content not relevant to algae. Ref #5 does not work. If you have a COI - for example work in the ultrasound/algae industry, need to state that on your User page. Reviewing of a submitted draft can be days to weeks, but also as long as months. David notMD (talk) 09:07, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

As tried to delete #4 & #5 but could not find out how. Would it be possible for you to amend it to be correct? I really have not much experience in this and appreciate all assistance.

Best regards Chris — Preceding unsigned comment added by SB2BC (talk • contribs) 13:36, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

A beer for you!

I hope you'll accept this though, David not MD... it's thirsty work getting trolled! All the best, ——Serial # 10:59, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

I like beer. David notMD (talk) 15:40, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

/* AFC */ KC Pandey

Hello David! I have tried to make all the changes advised on my draft Draft:K. C. Pandey for which I am really thankful. I have stated on my talk page that there's no WP:COI on my AfC It would really nice of you if you please give a look at the draft & suggest If its ok to get published or it's still lacking something. I do understand the time constraint with you but at the same time I must admit that directly jumping on AfC was a mistake but it was inspired by Biography of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranbir_Chander_Sobti .I read all about AfC and considered myself good enough to go for it. But now after kind guidance & repeated amendments & changes, I feel the draft good enough to be published. I will be obliged if you please give 1 more look & suggest. I am still learning so I accept I must be making a lot more mistakes compared to others, but wont take long to understand the process now. Thanks once again & eagerly waiting to listen from you. Shekhar in (talk) 17:18, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestions. I'm new to editing.

Hi David notMD, Thanks for your comments on my articles. I've been asked to guest edit this month by our university in order to add more NL artists to the Wiki but being new, and without any training, it's been a struggle. The formatting of the help is a bit of a challenge to new users as well. Thanks for your suggestions. I've stopped working on them until I can get a clearer handle on it. Ruth Lawrence — Preceding unsigned comment added by RuthieLawrence (talk • contribs) 18:45, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Nonprofit Financial Data

Greetings, Thanks for helping with the article I've been updating on Family Caregiver Alliance. It needed a lot since it has had a template notice on there for 10 years. I deal a lot with financial data and see IRS 990s used frequently for that on many nonprofit pages since there are very rarely other sources. I understand the idea about using few primary sources and "no independent research" -- but there seriously are no other ways to find that data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ihaveadreamagain (talk • contribs) 20:19, 21 July 2020 (UTC) Oops, forgot to sign -- I read this on WP:Primarysources and still think the 990 meets the requirement: "Policy: Unless restricted by another policy, primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. Ihaveadreamagain 20:24, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Fish allergy

You are the author of this draft and are an experienced editor. Are you aware of any reason why it should not be accepted? The redirect is not a reason, because it is merely a technical difficulty, and I know of at least two legitimate ways and at least one illegitimate way to deal with it. (However, we don't want a bean allergy to become an issue.) Are you aware of any reason why it requires further review, or should I just go ahead and move the redirect into a wasteland? Robert McClenon (talk) 16:40, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Please more the redirect into wasteland. I have every reason to believe the draft will be accepted. Thank you for addressing this. David notMD (talk) 16:48, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Fish allergy has been accepted

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Wikipedia is a community project and not playground for revision fans

Don't spit on the philosophy of Wikipedia and erase every contribution if it lacks something e.g. citation. Do the Citation and show the world the spirit of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doubledareyou (talk • contribs) 11:44, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

The editor who adds new content is responsible for providing a citation. Editors are not janitors to clean up your messes. David notMD (talk) 11:46, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I need you to help me revert or teach me further how to do this

I posted in a wiki community on how to revert this record of a link I added as a newbie on Wikipedia which was marked as spam... The link below;

I don't want this record to exist, so can you help revert it & teach me?

I really need help reverting it, as it may affect the site & I don't know the owner, its appearing on search engine when I did further check....please thanks...

All of your additions of that website have been reverted by other editors. Do remember to 'sign' your comments on Talk pages and Teahouse by typing four of ~ at the end. David notMD (talk) 12:43, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

kindly explain

Is "essential vitamin" not a redundant tautology?

best regards,

KaiKemmann (talk) 01:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

No. For humans, niacin and vitamin D are vitamins, but not essential, as niacin can be synthesized from tryptophan, and vit D in skin exposed to UV radiation. For many animal species, vitamin C is not essential. David notMD (talk) 10:27, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining, although I feel, that the introduction of Vitamin needs to be updated accordingly.

It is stated there "A vitamin [...] is an essential micronutrient which an organism needs [...] cannot be synthesized in the organism, either at all or not in sufficient quantities, and therefore must be obtained through the diet. Vitamin C can be synthesized by some species but not by others; it is not a vitamin in the first instance but is in the second."

Particularly the last sentence sounds like a substance is only called a vitamin in regard of a certain species if it is essential. So by this definition vitamins should always be essential really, as they wouldn't be called vitamins otherwise.

best regards,

KaiKemmann (talk) 09:17, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Change if you wish and I will not revert. David notMD (talk) 09:20, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

You have a far better knowledge of the matter than I have. It could just as well be argued that a vitamin is always a vitamin, as long as it is essential to any mammal (or even any organism?). In this case it would make sense to make the distinction between just a "vitamin" and an "essential vitamin" depending on its effect on the species in question.

I am thus not sure which of the two instances should be changed and I would be more comfortable if you could suggest a unified definition and maybe change one or both articles accordingly.

many thanks,

KaiKemmann (talk) 21:54, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Newsletter

Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Newsletter

Remi Korchemny

It is not right to have BALCO scandal as a highlight and dominant topic of Remi’s page. Is that all we have to say about his currently 88 year old life? Is BALCO scandal the single most important thing we should be elaborating about? If so, let’s continue to write about it to the tiniest details. Radspeed (talk) 07:57, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

• (talk page watcher)@Radspeed: If you have information from Reliable sources about other important aspects of Remi Korchemny's life, please use them to expand the article. Thanks. PamD 08:34, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I did use them and was actively editing every day until today when someone decided to take everything down. Now, all that we have left is BALCO story and I will not risk all of my hard work to be eliminated again, just like that.. Radspeed (talk) 08:58, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

MEDRS violation?

Hi David,

Could you take a look at this recent edit of the Nicotine replacement therapy page and let me know if it violates WP:MEDRS? I learned about this policy via my interactions with you but I'm still not sure I understand it completely and wanted to confirm before removing it. Specifically, I am referring to the following line, under "Side effects": "Preliminary studies indicate that oral nicotine replacement therapies may lead to the endogenous formation of significant amounts of the strong carcinogen N-Nitrosonornicotine."

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Nicotine_replacement_therapy&oldid=971536065

Thank you! Wallnot (talk) 20:13, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Clearly does not meet MEDRS. Mentioning that it is a preliminary study does not absolve the fact that it is an observation in a small number of subjects in observational clinical studies. A search on N-Nitrosonornicotine and oral nicotine replacement did not find better literature. Should be reverted with Edit summary as to why. David notMD (talk) 00:03, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I reverted. Thanks! Wallnot (talk) 19:24, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

MarieYolette and Teahouse

Thanks for explaining things on their talkpage. Whew, I meant well, and didn't mean to offend them! I shall be Very Careful in the future. (And steer well clear of MarieYolette, who seems a bit sensitive.) Thanks again, to both you, and Hoary. Best, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:02, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Thank you for your guidance! GeletkaPlus (talk) 01:28, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Consolidation of the fat article?

David - what do you think of one editor's decision to have 6-8 individual articles on fats (saturated, unsaturated, polyunsaturated, fatty acids, etc.) brought under one consolidated article? Note this occurred with a poorly formatted WP:MERGE proposal (header or discussion not correctly formatted and therefore unnoticed), with only one feedback participant, giving the proposer confidence to move ahead alone with major changes. Discussion here. Zefr (talk) 14:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Zefr I added an Oppose opinion with a reason. David notMD (talk) 14:45, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Medicine Newsletter – September 2020

Issue 4—September 2020

WikiProject Medicine Newsletter

Greetings! A relatively quiet month yields a shorter newsletter. The featured section is taking the month off, but please continue to drop comments and ideas at the newsletter talk page. Here is what's happening this month:

Newly recognized content

Willis J. Potts nom. Larry Hockett, reviewed by Ajpolino Niacin nom. David notMD, reviewed by Ajpolino Prostate nom. Tom (LT), reviewed by Dunkleosteus77 Ureter nom. Tom (LT), reviewed by Dunkeosteus77

Nominated for review

Complete blood count nom. Spicy Parkinson's disease at featured article review. Discussion here Anatomical terms of location nom. Tom (LT) Antibiotic sensitivity testing nom. Tom (LT), under review by Larry Hockett Endell Street Military Hospital nom. G. Moore and Dormskirk Marie Wittman nom. Pi.1415926535, under review by The Most Comfortable Chair Horace Smithy nom. Larry Hockett Charles Bingham Penrose nom. Larry Hockett Louise Bourgeois Boursier nom. Doug Coldwell Injector pen nom. Berchanhimez

News from around the site

• A few restrictions on signatures are being gently phased in to make signatures consistently machine-identifiable. This will enable the development of new talk page tools (and fix some holes in our current tools). Affected editors (~ 900 at English Wikipedia) will be contacted. You can see if you're on the naughty list here.

Discussions of interest

• There are numerous ongoing discussions regarding notability/deletion. Open disucssions focus on draftification, restricting comments on AfDs, and the occasional conflict between SNGs and the GNG.
• An ongoing enormous discussion considers deprecating in-line parenthetical citations.
• At WikiProject COVID-19 editors are catching their breath and taking stock of our Covid-19 coverage thus far.

For a list of ongoing discussions in WP:MED-tagged articles, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Discussions
Also, a reminder to see Article Alerts for a list of medicine-related AfDs, CfDs, merge discussions, and more!

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Ajpolino (talk) 02:37, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for answering my question so clearly! I hope you like cats. :)

Infojunkie8675 (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Joanne Pransky

Thank you for the helpful information. We are university students examining the validity of Wiki and bias. This page reached us because we are examing how loosely the word expert is being used. Especially since COVID-19, we need to be wary of who is the expert to listen. How is this person an expert based on the references? She is interesting but any attempt to clarify her credential, for instance, her degree is not in robotics, is erased and her references are not peer-reviewed but pop culture. Seems she may have paid a team of people to protect the page. How can our university class move to the next level of asking an editorial team to review the notability of this page? Thank you for helping us rookies!

RobotDaneellives There is no evidence that Joanne Pransky created or even edited the article about her, nor paid someone to 'protect' it. Which, by the way, would require those editors to declare their paid status (see WP:PAID). And there are no 'editorial teams'. The article in question is already tagged as bing of dubious Wikipedia notability. The best avenue for you is to follow my advice to file an AfD. At the very least, that would be educational. See also Wikipedia:Expert editors. Wikipedia frowns on people citing their own work, but does understand the value of experts. David notMD (talk) 18:05, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for being the most patient and helpful editor I have ever experienced!

Thank you for your soft rebukes that are justifiable and helpful teaching. Refreshing to encounter a quality editor who is authentically concerned about the quality of Wiki articles and is a great teacher to new editors!

You are welcome. The learning curve is always steep. I hope the members of your group consider all becoming editors to improve the quality of many articles. David notMD (talk) 23:05, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Adding images re:

Thank you so much for responding to my question. Very helpful. Apollogone (talk) 05:48, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Let's make a deal – Vitamin K

I need some MEDRS help and you are looking for a GA reviewer. Can we trade services?

My MEDRS requirement is to add enough secondary reviews to Step aerobics so that the fact tags are satisfied and removed. You can see a few fact tags on the page and my thoughts expressed at Talk:Step aerobics#MEDRS compliance. What say you? Binksternet (talk) 03:09, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Answered there and on your Talk. Sadly, lots of belief, a bit of clinical trial literature, but almost nothing in useful review articles. Multiple trials measuring same thing needed to perform a meta-analysis or systematic review. David notMD (talk) 18:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for digging around. I'm beginning to see why the fitness topics on Wikipedia are such a barren desert. Binksternet (talk) 18:19, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

From 2004-2019 my career was expert science consultant to dietary supplement companies. Similar problem - as nothing was patentable, clinical trials if any, tended to be small. Sometimes there are multiple trials, but for different indication, so no meta-analysis possible. There are exceptions - glucosamine or chondroitin for osteoarthritis, for example. Within exercise, there are meta-analyses for weight loss, cardiovascular disease, osteoporosis, cancer, all-cause mortality, etc. (see PMID: 31685526). David notMD (talk) 22:09, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!

I wanted to thank you for this edit. One of the nicest things anybody has said about me on Wikipedia since I started editing many long years ago. It is nice to see my work has not gone unnoticed. Finally good luck, I am stepping out of this specific fight since for the first time in my editing career I feel the person may actually try to figure out who I am and out me. Not that I have anything to hide but I also have a life outside of Wikipedia that I don't want disturbed by my hobby of editing Wikipedia.--VViking_TalkEdits 13:42, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Regarding changes to PICHENOTTE

Hello David, I have made a draft per SMcCandlish at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ThreeVictors/Draft:Pichenotte Do you feel these changes are best left there for review or should I make them to the page ? This is all so new to me ! I am not sure it wouldn't be a bad idea to delete the page and start over. Am I being to passive ? What do you recommend ? Do you have time to look at the suggestions ? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThreeVictors (talk • contribs) 02:14, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for October 1

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Vitamin K, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Collard.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 07:26, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Resolved. David notMD (talk) 08:04, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Medicine Newsletter - October 2020

Issue 5—October 2020

WikiProject Medicine Newsletter

Greetings! This month celebrates our second (I think) new medicine FA in 2020, a handful of newly reviewed GAs, and of course another month without major on-wiki disaster. The newsletter's featured section is off again, but please continue to drop comments and ideas at the newsletter talk page. Here is what's new this month:

Newly recognized content

Complete blood count nom. Spicy, his first FA! Beulah Ream Allen nom. SusunW, reviewed by Esculenta Antibiotic sensitivity testing nom. Tom (LT), reviewed by Larry Hockett and Spicy Marie Wittman nom. Pi.1415926535, reviewed by The Most Comfortable Chair Injector pen nom. Berchanhimez, reviewed by Tom (LT)

Nominated for review

Parkinson's disease now a featured article removal candidate. Discussion here Anatomical terms of location nom. Tom (LT), under review by ArnabSaha Endell Street Military Hospital nom. G. Moore and Dormskirk, under review by Amitchell125 Horace Smithy nom. Larry Hockett Charles Bingham Penrose nom. Larry Hockett Louise Boursier nom. Doug Coldwell Ulcerative colitis nom. Rytyho usa, under review by Tom (LT) Transmission of COVID-19 nom. Investigatory Seminal vesicles nom. Tom (LT) Vitamin K nom. David notMD Intravenous therapy nom. Berchanhimez Intramuscular injection nom. Berchanhimez Homeopathy nom. Aircorn

News from around the site

• An ongoing drive at WP:Good article nominations seeks interested editors to help review the ~600 current GA nominations. The oldest unreviewed medicine-related GAN was nominated 1.5 months ago.
• An open contributor copyright investigation involves edits to many medicine pages that need to be checked for copyright infringement. Interested editors might skim User:Moneytrees/Money's guide to CCI, and jump right in.
• An update to the appearance of various WMF sites (including this one) will be developed and rolled out slowly over the next year. For details see the WMF blog post and the page on MediaWiki where individual features are being mocked up and discussed.

Discussions of interest

• A discussion over wording at WP:PAID that centers on the extent to which folks that volunteer for an organization have an editing conflict of interest.
• Editors could use more eyes to help sort through a number of data-rich templates at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#DONTHIDE_-_estrogen_template_problems.

For a list of ongoing discussions in WP:MED-tagged articles, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Discussions
Also, a reminder to see Article Alerts for a list of medicine-related AfDs, CfDs, merge discussions, and more!

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Ajpolino (talk) 00:52, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Vitamin K

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Vitamin K you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tom (LT) -- Tom (LT) (talk) 09:20, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Pichenotte article

Hello David not MD. I have made suggestions and references at ThreeVictors (talk)

I hope I am posting this at the correct place, but probably not !ThreeVictors (talk)

Greetings, and I would like to offer my opinion. I think it best to delete the PICHENOTTE entry. Although some of what is on there is correct, it is of very limited scope and limited value. If a credible editor or team of editors can do some research and bring forth an accurate and inclusive entry, it would be great. The current entry lacks citations and credibility.

AQJP seems a defunct and archived website and yet it is the only cited website and reference. I hope that can change if a credible editor or group of editors researches the word and brings forth an accurate, useful and inclusive entry. Thanks. DVQuebecDVQuebec (talk) 15:12, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Vitamin K

The article Vitamin K you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Vitamin K for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tom (LT) -- Tom (LT) (talk) 03:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Please can you tell me if I have actually done something wrong

Hi David. If you look at Ed Gold again, you'll see that all the images have gone and I feel harassed, especially at WT:WikiProject_Military_history#Please_free_free_to_use_excellent_new_photographs_by_Ed_Gold. Can you identify any problem around COPYVIO and if so help me get over it? Thanks. Also, do you have admin rights? I'm looking for someone to red-lock the page at [1], which I created yesterday as a redirect, in an experiment that I think will be a good solution for accounts that are accepted as being WP:BLP -linked. Ed gave me permission to do this and I'd like to propose the idea as a future general solution (obviously, after a similar process as Commons use for OTRS). Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:53, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull I am not a Admin. Nick-D explained why the photos in question were removed from Ed Gold and has explained to you the process of clearing copyright at that Talk and on Nick-D's Talk. Wikipedia and Wikipedia Commons have a long-standing and rigorous process for vetting copyright. For the Gold article, clear copyright for each image individually and add back. David notMD (talk) 12:05, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Personally, my opinion about your desire to put dozens and dozens of Gold's photos into Commons with the hope that other editors (or you) can then add them to articles verges on promotional. If you strongly believe that individual photos have merit for specific articles, then clear the copyright, put in Commons, and add to articles. Please tell Gold that this means anyone, anywhere, for any purpose, can take those photos from Commons and use for their own purposes, and will likely do so without crediting Gold. David notMD (talk) 12:13, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, he and I are clear on that. That's why I had some problem persuading him to release them under CC BY-SA 4.0. He has done so willingly because we are uploading only relatively low-resolution images that could not be used commercially and even if they were without crediting him he could sue and prove the master copies were his. I have not been adding the photos to articles other than Ed Gold and then only sparingly. Instead, I've been encouraging other editors to do so by adding comments at relevant project talk pages (military history and Australia so far). Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:20, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

It turns out (see military history talk page) that Ed and I did nothing wrong. Only the OTRS people can add their tag to images. While they have done so for the ones I uploaded first, they are behind with others, for obvious reasons. At least there is now some "customer clamour" to have this done. Thank for your interest. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:52, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Please inform Mr. Gold that there are many websites which take content from Wikipedia, and often without credit. There are a few that even take draft content at Wikipedia - not yet reviewed and approved - and post it, basically front-running Wikipedia. Suing to stop any such use would be a fool's errand. Be aware that Wikipedia articles about photographers tend to NOT have multiple examples of their work. Fashion photographer examples: Richard Avedon, Helmut Newton, Francesco Scavullo, Herb Ritts, Gleb Derujinsky, Peter Lindbergh, Patrick Demarchelier, Steven Meisel, Mario Testino and Annie Leibovitz David notMD (talk) 14:06, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Good points for @EddieLeVisco:. He never suggested suing, that was my somewhat tongue-in-cheek idea: I don't think he's the sort to resort to the law courts as he has better things to do off-grid, I guess. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:19, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

An Award

	Teahouse Barnstar
	I know you already got this award, but I'm going to give it again since you deserve it. Benjamin Borg (Talk) 12:08, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Personality rights

I am not going to enter the fray at the Teahouse. However you may be interested in an e-mail I have just received from permissions-commons:

"Dear Mike Turnbull, The personality rights warning refers to external reuse only, i.e. when somebody wants to print that on any product or flyer or similar. For the educational use within Wikipedia you can assume you won't get any request at all. Yours sincerely, Alfred Neumann"

ALL of Mr Gold's photographs now have full ORTS licenses of the correct type for use within WP. I trust that you will now make this clear in some of the threads in which you have been posting suggestions that this might not be true. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:49, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Help with Vitamin D

Hi David notMD, I notice you are somewhat expert, and a frequent contributor to Vitamin D. I recently posted on the talk page and was hoping for a response from you, on the right criteria to be used to assess content for inclusion in the article (specifically the growing understanding of the relationship between Vitamin D levels and COVID outcomes). Thanks.Tvaughan1 (talk) 23:26, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	For your edits to vitamin articles and for bringing Vitamin K to good article status, being responsive to my near endless list of things to change throughout. Well done! Tom (LT) (talk) 00:43, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Vitamin K

The article Vitamin K you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Vitamin K for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tom (LT) -- Tom (LT) (talk) 01:02, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Can you help?

I am not prompted, or fed, or promoting. And the article is not self-promoting on the part of the subject, who is interesting neither in finding students nor anyone's money. Can you help me consider what to delete that may save the article? Per ColinFine, I've read and reread all guidelines. I know it is a tough article given slim resources, but i read that sometimes the ones I've found are acceptable. If I delete the majority of all of it... would that help? thank you Onganymede (talk) 23:20, 31 October 2020 (UTC)