Talk:Red pill and blue pill

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Dossier

If anyone can read the information in Neo's dossier that Smith opened in the interrogation room, we may have our answer on what Neo's age really is. The range of 30-35 is logical, but it may never be determined without this visual record from the movie. I believe I found this information before, but its source now escapes me. Spencerian 00:00, 13 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It is near on impossible to do so. The dossier is never displayed face-on to the camera, and when we can see it, it's at an angle. At those points, you can't even see any print, let alone try to read the information displayed on the pages. A Prodigy ~In Pursuit of Perfection~ 18:01, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Miltary Slang

In current US military slang, and going back at least to the 1960s, "redpill" has a very different meaning, particularly among US Army artillerymen. A "red pill" is a tactical nuclear artillery shell, which may have a bright red band painted around it for identification. "Redpill," the verb, is the act of firing a tactical nuclear shell at the enemy. I don't know whether this is sufficiently noteworthy to merit a Wikipedia entry but it's actually what I expected to find in the article; the Matrix references actually surprised me.

Total Recall

Wouldn't the "path out" be a blue pill then, rather than a red pill? The story of Total Recall is that his memory of all prior events is fake -- the "path out" of being aware of that would make him oblivious to the farce, much like the blue pill would cause a person to disregard all the events that unmasked the fake existence in the Matrix. I don't see how this "easy way out" can be seen as analogous to the red pill. — Ashmodai ^{(talk · contribs)} 04:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're mixing metaphors from different movies and hoping to find logic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.221.31.30 (talk) 11:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You see, the point is that what Quaid is being told is that he is dreaming/experiencing an implanted memory; whether he actually is or not is irrelevant, just like what the pill actually does is irrelevant (we never find out either!) – the important thing is that, according to the doctor, the red pill will snap him out of his supposed dream and get him back to the real world. It is the only thing we are ever told about the pill and therefore it is the only fact about it we can use - anything else we read into it is conjecture. BigSteve (talk) 13:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Matrix Online

I've edited the portion of the entry that discusses the presence of the term 'Redpill' in The Matrix Online. Namely, I deleted the reference it makes about living in Zion, as no part of the game actually allows this (unless that's what you want to say, roleplaying-wise, if you let your account run out). I have, however, put something back in to make up for what I took out; a brief explanation of where things go once someone begins playing the game.--MythicFox 11:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crystal Method

I've added a line to the trivia section to include the song from the Crystal Method titled 'Red Pill' 212.2.167.199 01:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redpill AB?

The Redpill AB statement seems irrelevant. Should it be deleted?GlobeGores 01:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, no one seems to have any comment, so I will delete it. GlobeGores 03:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There was less than two hours between the time you posted the request and the time you did the deletion.

Direction of this article

The lead section implies this article is discussing the term as a person aware of the matrix, but the bulk of the content is references to the red pill as an item from the matrix. It appears there is sufficient content to potentially justify an article on the latter aspect, but focusing on it's usage as a slang term (or a slang term within a fictional universe) has questionable notability for it's own article. I'm not quite sure what to do about this. I'm thinking it would be best to reorganize the article to be about the red pill from the matrix and move it to Red pill or Red pill (The Matrix). Opinions would be appreciated; I'd like to avoid just sending this article up for AFD, as it has some decent content, unlike the now deleted Bluepill article. -Verdatum (talk) 18:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This section of the article:

" In the movie, a Redpill is the term used to describe a human who has been freed from the Matrix, a fictional computer-generated world set in 1999. Bluepill refers to a human still connected to the Matrix."

Is factually incorrect. While it is possible that within the wider Matrix universe this kind of terminology is used, at no point in any of the three films comprising the trilogy does anybody refer to a human using this pill metaphor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.146.34.227 (talk) 07:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From what i see, in matrix revolutions, while looking for a colleague in the matrix, they say the line "Nothing but blue pills.", suggesting that at least the blue pill expression is used at least once. But I just got that from a google search on a line that stuck in my head, i've actually never seen the movie. -Verdatum (talk) 18:10, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Obama would take the blue pill.

He keeps dropping this reference is his speeches and interviews. [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.213.120.190 (talk) 01:29, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, I totally expected this to be random vandalism. Still, despite the fact that Obama uses "Blue pill" and "red pill" in the dialog, there is no indication that it is intended to allude the concept within The Matrix. The pills do not represent ignorance or insight. They represent treatments with similar effectiveness and dissimilar cost. So I'd count it as coincidence and leave it out of this article. -Verdatum (talk) 16:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. DJ Clayworth (talk) 15:48, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Move to "red pill"

I think the term "red pill" is probably more notable and widely used than the conjoined "redpill". –xeno^talk 20:31, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. ceranthor 21:32, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More than The Matrix

I'm a little surprised that this article on "red pill" is limited to The Matrix. I got here by looking for information after hearing a lyric in a Daniel Lanois song entitled "Lotta Love To Give" were he sings "Sick of the red pills, sick of the dealer's grin." This song was written long before the Matrix was released so there must be another reference at work. I have a feeling there is an actual "red pill" and whether it's a downer or upper I have no idea. Any ideas?

Personally, I think your suggetions of the redpill's usage are pretty trivial. Red pill from The Matrix is practically a cultural icon, and a lyric in a song simply cannot stand up to it. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 07:05, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]