User talk:Bamnamu

Korean pottery and porcelain

Many thanks for your expansion here! The article has been rather pitiful, and there is still a lot to do. Is there any chance of you adding more? It's not an area I am familiar with. Johnbod (talk) 00:59, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! You're absolutely right about the state of the article. Thanks for your contributions to it as well. I plan on adding more to the article eventually, but not at the moment. Bamnamu (talk) 04:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

History of Korea

Sorry about that. This is indeed part of a quote. 85.193.218.178 (talk) 16:43, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No need to apologize. Cheers! Bamnamu (talk) 18:11, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Vandalism in the article, Goguryeo Need help

Hello

I am here to ask you for some help. In fact, I'm asking the same thing to several other administrators about the same matter at hand. About four months ago, the article Goguryeo has been protected due to vandalism, disruptive editing, and edit warring. After a couple of weeks after the protection was broken, two new editors started to vandalize the same article. To introduce you to the situation: they edited out the statements to misrepresent the cited sources, multiple credited sources were entirely removed, and original research has been included to substitute the removal. The two editor(s) in question are: User:Zanhe and User:Koraskadi I have been reverting the article back to the last editorial completed by User:Failosopher since the breakout of the situation.

The content that has been subject to this event are these two qualities:

1- "Goguryeo (고구려; 高句麗; [ko.ɡu.ɾjʌ], 37 BCE–668 CE), also called Goryeo (고려; 高麗; [ko.ɾjʌ]), was a Korean kingdom[4][5][6]"

The two editors mentioned above are constantly removing the bolded word; which goes against these three supporting articles cited.

"Koguryo". Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved October 15, 2013.

States that Goguryeo as one of the three Kingdoms of Korea

Byeon, Tae-seop (1999) 韓國史通論 (Outline of Korean history), 4th ed, Unknown Publisher, ISBN 89-445-9101-6.

Emphasizes Goguryeo as one of the most powerful Korean State that arose throughout history

"Complex of Koguryo Tombs". UNESCO World Heritage Centre. Retrieved 2013-10-24.

The current article simply talks about its geographical location. However, the article stated that Goguryeo was Korean when it was retrieved.

2- "Goguryeo has been described as an empire by many scholars", "Goguryeo was a powerful empire and one of the great powers in East Asia"

Phrases in relation to the bolded word are getting removed alongside their supporting citations. This is a completely clear example of vandalism.

신형식 (2003). 高句麗史. Ewha Womans University Press. p. 56. ISBN 9788973005284. Retrieved 12 September 2017.

이덕일; 박찬규 (2007). 고구려 는 천자 의 제국 이었다. 역사의아침. ISBN 9788995884973. Retrieved 12 September 2017.

Roberts, John Morris; Westad, Odd Arne. The History of the World. Oxford University Press. p. 443. ISBN 9780199936762. Retrieved 15 July 2016.

Gardner, Hall. Averting Global War: Regional Challenges, Overextension, and Options for American Strategy. Palgrave Macmillan. pp. 158–159. ISBN 9780230608733. Retrieved 15 July 2016.

Laet, Sigfried J. de. History of Humanity: From the seventh to the sixteenth century. UNESCO. p. 1133. ISBN 9789231028137. Retrieved 10 October 2016.

Walker, Hugh Dyson. East Asia: A New History. AuthorHouse. pp. 6–7. ISBN 9781477265178. Retrieved 20 November 2016

All these sources explicitly describe Goguryeo as an empire or have been described to have developed into an empire. In fact, the main thesis of the first two articles is about Goguryeo being an Empire. The same sources also state that Goguryeo is Korean, but they were not cited for the quality mentioned above for the current editorial.

The editorial that I have been reverting back into was the protected version; which was constructed by a series of discussions and debates with various editors and administrators including us. Something has to be done about the vandalists or the article in question. For the greater good, I ask you for your help once again, but I will decrease the burden by asking many others. Thank you. Wandrative (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Korean-language surnames of Chinese origin

The Korean "clan"s didn't came from other country. Only "people" and "surname"s came from other country. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 11:23, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Garam: I see what you mean. Personally, I think that "Korean-language clan names of Chinese origin" (or "Korean clan names of Chinese origin") would be more suitable and accurate, because bon-gwan are clan names, not surnames. I'm too busy these days to edit much or keep up with what's going on, so by all means, please feel free to edit these articles as you please. Cheers! Bamnamu (talk) 20:34, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Then, I suggest you create new category "Korean clans based in China" (it comes from Category:Lists of clans based in Korea) under this category. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 06:05, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Garam: They're not based in China though. I think you might have a slight misunderstanding of what "based in" means. Bamnamu (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, some Korean surname is still based in China region, such as Category:Clans based in Shandong, Category:Clans based in Jiangsu , and Category:Clans based in Guangzhou. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 07:50, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Garam: True, but the vast majority are based in Korea. I think the main disagreement between us is whether a bon-gwan is a "clan name" or a "surname". "Gong clan of Qufu" is a clan name. "Gong" is a surname. Bamnamu (talk) 08:01, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

＊Surname (e.g. Korean-language surnames of Chinese origin)
　 ＊Bon'gwan (e.g. Gong clan of Qufu‎)

First, do you agree with this category type? And how do you think about reusing the existing category name "Korean clans of Chinese origin"? In other words, this is means, similar to WP:ROBIN,

Move Category:Korean clans of Chinese origin → Category:Korean-language surnames of Chinese origin; without leaving a redirect behind
Create new Category:Korean clans of Chinese origin

Thanks. --Garam (talk) 08:38, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Garam: Oh, I see what you mean now. I was confused because I wasn't aware of the original state of Category:Korean-language surnames of Chinese origin before a user added clan names to it, and that was why I moved it to Category:Korean clans of Chinese origin. I realize now that Category:Korean-language surnames of Chinese origin originally only had actual surnames such as "Namgung" and "Zhuge", and no clan names. I am very sorry for the misunderstanding. Please go ahead with your plan. Bamnamu (talk) 09:16, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the categories now. Are you agree with it? Thanks. --Garam (talk) 09:54, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Garam: Yes. Looks good to me. Bamnamu (talk) 09:59, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Founding legends of the Goryeo royal family

Great work! Thanks for your hard work. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:39, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Bamnamu (talk) 06:38, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]