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Keeping an eye on stuff. Meanwhile, here is some music.

Your GA nomination of Selling England by the Pound

The article Selling England by the Pound you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Selling England by the Pound for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of SNUGGUMS -- SNUGGUMS (talk) 05:17, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Selling England by the Pound

The article Selling England by the Pound you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Selling England by the Pound for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of SNUGGUMS -- SNUGGUMS (talk) 15:41, 4 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Snake Pass

The article Snake Pass you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Snake Pass for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Eric Corbett -- Eric Corbett (talk) 18:01, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I used to drive across the Snake Pass at least once a week in the summer when I worked in Sheffield, so your GA nomination jumped out at me. But even the Woodhead Pass wasn't reliable in the winter. I got stuck there once behind a lorry that had jack-knifed on the ice on its descent, which closed the road for hours. It's bitterly cold up there. Eric Corbett 21:53, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Snake is a wonderful drive in the summer when you've got all the time in the world, but I can well believe that goes out of the window the minute commuting comes into it. This stuff didn't make the article, but back in the 70s, Joy Division and Human League used to trade gigs off each other, presumably so they didn't have to cart a full PA over the Pennines, and Hooky remembers travelling in a Transit (?) up Snake Pass towards Sheffield wondering if the van was actually going to survive to the top.
I also know a couple of freight drivers and I'm pretty sure the recommended route for any farms in Lincolnshire to the whole Greater Manchester area is via Sheffield and Woodhead, going via the M62 over Scammonden is just too out of the way and fuel heavy to be cost effective. So the whole road is bunged up with HGVs all the way through Longendale and Mottram. Coming the other direction along the M67 tells you everything you need to know about British transport policy - great fast road for a few miles, then it just gives up and dissolves into total crap. And as for the trains, great, let's reopen the Woodhead Tunnel, oh wait, it's full of electrical cables. Bugger. PS: Bit of a blast from the past for you Eric for seeing Sale, Greater Manchester as today's featured article. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:53, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I see that is your 40th GA! Congratulations! --MelanieN (talk) 22:02, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A personal favourite and a high point for the Yamaha keyboard, I feel. "Brian Matthew, you were right." Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Had a feeling it might - I'd never heard of him before I researched the article! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:53, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What! You are joking?! "I Can't Go Back to Savoury Now" is "a heart-rending bittersweet tale of modern manners", by 'eck. There is something of the Jake Thackray about him, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:17, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of A Trick of the Tail

The article A Trick of the Tail you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:A Trick of the Tail for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sparklism -- Sparklism (talk) 20:41, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Ruth Guler

Harrias talk 13:02, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for In the Land of Grey and Pink

Pink sky at night, Shepherd's Delight
Sheep drowned in the morning, Global Warming
A golf girl for you!

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:31, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See comment at the same header on Martin --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:23, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Have you ever seen anyone file an RfA saying they'd like to use the tools to unblock people? Would be a refreshing change, I'd have thought. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:28, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Would be refreshing. How would you, aspiring admin, perform the requested close on Beethoven? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:55, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
D -> E7 -> A (pause) ... as seen here, of course! But to give a more productive answer, have a read of this, specifically this bit (paraphrased slightly), "Admins always refused to resolve conflicts ... an editor would get into an argument with a reviewer ... they would argue back and forth, discussing the issues ... they would stomp into some admin's talk page hoping for a resolution .... Who's the person who knows least about the problem? Obviously it's the admin - who was just hauled in at the last minute for Conflict Resolution". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:03, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If the admin had been there before the last minute, he would not be independent, right? - This is an easy case, I think. Just ignore every comment that is not to that article but general (something arbcom requested all participants to avoid): what is left? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
ps: as an aspiring admin, you noticed of course that there was a close attempt before which was not accepted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Aspiring no more ;) - congrats. Short because a friend and inspiration died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(Sorry to hear that about Viva-Verdi, Gerda. That's a real loss to the project.) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(more) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just saw this. Such sad news. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 07:39, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page refactoring

This edit was an inappriate [[WP:TPO|removal of other editors' comments from a talk page. Musicpublisheronline (talk · contribs) and I had been having a dialog about his username and his editing choices. Certainly you are free to add the simpler version, but WP:TLDR did not apply as MPO had clearly read my comments and responded to them. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:14, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, it looked like a canned templated warning - I didn't pick up on it being a conversation because the newbie didn't sign. I just noticed it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:15, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just a simple thank you!!

Hello thank you for saving my page that i started foxholes I appreciate to what you did. For one thing I thought it wa a goner again!!! Well Thnaks again!! Wkc19 (talk) 15:25, 28 April 2015 (UTC)wkc19 :)[reply]

DYK nomination of Johann Baptist Wendling

Hello! Your submission of Johann Baptist Wendling at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 20:30, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

The Special Barnstar
For your fine work in improving the article Rose and Rosie. And Adoil Descended (talk) 04:59, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'll have a look for more sources and see if I can improve the article further as the Huff Post and Metro sources are of the low end tabloid variety. For some reason @Drmies: pops into my head when I think of gay weddings so they might be interested in it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 06:33, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Snake Pass

Allen3 talk 12:10, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mountain Goat

Hi Ritchie333, Just wanted to pop by to say thanks for finding the sources for the article as well as expanding it - Believe it or not I actually wanted it kept but then again perhaps I should've searched for a bit more than just "Mountain Goat" ,
Anyway thanks for your help - As always very much appreciated :),
Thanks & Happy Editing, –Davey2010Talk 14:54, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. As long as you go into AfD with a mindset of "I can't find any way of improving this article to our required standards - can anyone else?" then you'll be fine. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:14, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
... screams of horror from the assembled deletionists. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:07, 30 April 2015 (UTC) [reply]
Clearly something's got your goat, Martin! While we're talking about the Lakes, having taken Snake Pass to GA, I wonder if mountain passes are a good subject to improve. I've got a book on Hardknott Pass somewhere - great fun to drive, particularly in a Mini Cooper. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:50, 1 May 2015 (UTC) [reply]
Is that the one where Charles Bronson battles the Injuns on his way to a phantom Lakeland diphtheria epidemic? (I once had an uncle who kept mountin goats, but that’s another story ... ) Martinevans123 (talk) 10:28, 1 May 2015 (UTC) [reply]
Have you been watching too much ITV3 again, Martin? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:33, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your help and the suggested links! Phyllis Rosser (talk) 15:50, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Phyllis Rosser: You're welcome; this is a frustrating case as I've been through several newspaper and book sources and all they say is "abc exhibited xyz including the Ceres Gallery" - without a good source documenting the history, an article can't be written. I assume you are this Phyllis Rosser, former president of the Ceres Gallery from 2000 - 2004, and that presents us with a problem, as you have a conflict of interest. I'm sure you want to commemorate the gallery's history and influence on feminist culture, nothing wrong with that, but you have to use what third party sources have written, otherwise you'll be in trouble. I'd strongly advise you to read the plain and simple conflict of interest guide as soon as possible. Ironically enough, I can see more coverage in reliable sources about yourself than the gallery! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:01, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much! I hear what you are saying and I will continue to search for third party sources. Fingers crossed! I appreciate your extra time. Phyllis Rosser (talk) 16:06, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of West Pier

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article West Pier you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Biblioworm -- Biblioworm (talk) 01:00, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Thorwald Jørgensen

Harrias talk 07:19, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

RfA

I'm pleased you are going through the RfA, and it looks certain to be successful. On at least one of the questions you have been asked, it might be worth revisiting Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Unblocking and Wikipedia:No legal threats. SilkTork ✔Tea time 22:56, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@SilkTork: Thanks for the support. In the case of Q9, I felt that "I swear I'll sue Wikipedia if you carry on treating me like this!" was not a credible legal threat, but rather simply a mix of frustration and responding in kind to an admin violating all sorts of policies, not least WP:INVOLVED and WP:CIVIL. Wikipedia:Don't overlook legal threats is one of my favourite essays; its advice is good for handling any sorts of interactions with BLP subjects and their articles. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:25, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with SilkTork; your RFA was quite overdue! Snuggums (talk / edits) 08:37, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Good luck on your adminship, reading this edit here [1] was enough convince me. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:19, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Johann Baptist Wendling

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:29, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Having fun?

Are you enjoying maintaining your attack page? I see you've cravenly neglected to answer my questions at your RfA. Are you happy with the reversion of obvious improvements to articles that you've played such a large role in encouraging? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.9.132.118 (talk) 04:59, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Are you editing as an IP to evade a block? Tell the truth, now. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:01, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, as a matter of fact, they are. (Although you didn't really expect them to admit it, did you?) This IP has been identified as the "best known for IP" and has been blocked. Their reference here to "my questions at your RfA" proves that those IPs were also the same person, although they were not formally identified and blocked. --MelanieN (talk) 15:06, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The edit warring on Wilderness hut was ridiculous (and remember it takes more than 1 to edit war so I am taking no sides in that feud) and I am pleased the page is now semi-protected. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:27, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That you are happy with an article that contravenes WP:NOT and contains such sentences as "The fires should never left unattended", "Often no WC exist", and"Rubbish should't be buried" shows exactly what kind of editor you are, and how little it means to you that this place is supposed to be an encyclopaedia. 186.9.135.169 (talk) 01:23, 16 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Editor of the Week

Editor of the Week
Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week for efforts to save articles nominated for deletion. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:MelanieN submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

Ritchie333 is one of the best Wikipedians I know. He specializes in saving articles. He will find an article nominated for deletion at AfD or CSD, recognize that the subject is worthwhile, and improve it until it is a perfectly acceptable Wikipedia article. His saved articles are often featured at DYK. He has even gotten a few to Good Article status; he is the living embodiment of Wikipedia:The Heymann Standard. See User:Ritchie333/saves for a partial list of his rescues. He also does a lot of work at GA, both in promoting articles to GA status (38 at last count) and in reviewing the GA nominations of others. He has created more than 60 new articles. He participates in, and occasionally closes, discussions at ANI, where his contributions always demonstrate courtesy and common sense. He certainly deserves to be Editor of the Week.

You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week: 

{{subst:Wikipedia:WikiProject Editor Retention/Editor of the Week/Recipient user box}}

Need help with a rescue

(This is what I actually came here to say - whereupon I found you had just been awarded EotW.) I know this note is likely to get lost - in between the congratulations for Editor of the Week and the party that is likely to erupt in a mop-awarding thread within the next few hours. But the article Lamont Johnson (jazz bassist) really needs your help. I rescued it from G3 (I don't know what that nominator was thinking, the subject is obviously not a hoax) and added a little context. But making it into a proper article will require a musician's touch which I don't have. Can you find a little time for rescue work? --MelanieN (talk) 17:27, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The trouble with this one is that he has often been credited as "E LaMont Johnson" on records, and there are quite a few other notable Lamont Johnsons, which means you have to be very careful to look for context when citing sources. With that in mind, it took a while to get his AllMusic page, but I've got it and it looks like he's been on enough major label album releases to just squeak into WP:MUSBIO. I'll carry on looking, and I highly suspect he will have done news and magazine interviews in the 1970s and 80s that just aren't online. And G3 ... I mean, I can believe people doing an A7, but honestly! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:41, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I dropped the nominator a note on their talk page - although I was too polite to say "WTF were you thinking?" Thanks for getting right on it. I was wondering if we may need a disambiguation page since there are actually THREE Lamont Johnson pages here now:
What do you think? --MelanieN (talk) 17:53, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm. Certainly policy suggests you don't need a disambiguation page, as only Lamont Johnson and Lamont Johnson (bassist) require actual disambiguation, and the former looks more notable than the latter. I think you just need liberal amounts of {{for}} and {{distinguish}} tags, myself. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:10, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Done. --MelanieN (talk) 18:26, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your request for adminship

It's not even the right bloody size

Hi Ritchie333, I have closed your request for adminship as successful. Congratulations on the positive result and for your place on WP:RFX100. As always, the administrators' reading list is worth reading and the new admin school is most certainly available if you feel that you might require some practice with the tools in a safe environment prior to applying them elsewhere on the project. Good luck with your adminship! Acalamari 21:27, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats! =) - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:27, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly well deserved, congrats! Kharkiv07 (T) 21:29, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well done! No doubt a T-shirt will be forthcoming shortly!  Philg88 ♦talk 21:45, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Congrats Ritchie! I knew you'd succeed in an RFA, so now let's celebrate!! Here's a beer for you. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:47, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. So quick, "Threesy", I never had time to object!! I demand a recount. Just remember... "being a Wikipedia Admin is a lot like making love to a beautiful woman" (not clear how exactly, but I'm very sure it is) ..... or even a lot like being a strong and impartial host on the BBC's flagship current affairs programme Question Time. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Martin, I am somewhat intrigued exactly how you have come up with this analogy, but sometimes there are things that a Wikipedian is best off not knowing. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:18, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well the latter one is pretty clear - complete with that explanatory video! So I guess it must be the former. I do hope Mrs Threesy doesn't take offence (for multiple good reasons). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:25, 11 May 2015 (UTC) )... and there's nothing wrong with BEANS, I might add!) Everyone knows you're too good to be an Admin. But I trust you still take Paypal.[reply]
Yes, well done – we've had very little interaction but it was very much appreciated – congratulations. Nortonius (talk) 21:49, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Congratulations and welcome to the admin corps! I was going to offer you a beer but I see Snuggums beat me to it. Well, a second beer is always appropriate for a party. --MelanieN (talk) 21:52, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Did someone mention party? Your answers displayed a refreshingly forwarding attitude. Congrats! . Buster Seven Talk 22:12, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like a binge of support. Fine RFA! Binksternet (talk) 22:45, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mmmm, yes, "slip into something velvety". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:52, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is great news: well done. DBaK (talk) 22:53, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nice one! Irondome (talk) 22:56, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everyone. Thank you all so much for your kind words and support. Without wishing this to turn into an Oscar speech, I'd like to thank @MelanieN: and @SNUGGUMS: for persuading me to give RfA a go, @Kudpung:, @Yunshui: and @Drmies: for the nomination, @Dennis Brown: for giving me the original inspiration that Wikipedia admins can actually be really good people, and everyone for participating. Some of the questions were mildly taxing, but ultimately I found that if you know enough to be an admin and can read constructive criticism without reacting to it, RfA does seem to be no big deal after all these days. Anyway, back to West Pier now.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 07:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, new advice to admins is never replace the contents of the main page with a picture of a cock.....

...by the way, can another admin explain to me why I now have a button called "deli-batch"? It that something to do with the secret deli counter that everybody has repeatedly denied existence of? Can you order a tasty footlong sub sandwich? If so - yum! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:33, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, sorry. It's just a ticketing system, like at a deli-counter, where every naughty editor gets seen strictly in order. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:59, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Would that it were so - this should explain some of your fancy new buttons, Ritchie. Yunshui 雲水 14:05, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Crikey, that button looks like Wikipedia's version of a massive nuclear warhead! You might as well rename it "please desysop me now for being such an insane douchebag" Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, you want this puppy... Yunshui 雲水 14:23, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also, belated congratulations! Yunshui 雲水 14:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
How about it? Epic Genius (talk) 18:07, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Dennis, and everyone else. I don't want to trample on any admin's shoes, obviously I have a way of working, so do others. Already disagreed (politely and agreeably!) over some semi-protections. And do any other admins write stuff like this I wonder? And come on Epic, how about a real drink? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well played dude. Of course, if I'd have noticed it, I would have strongly opposed it. You now are indoctrinated to a world of shite from people who will stalk your edit history, find out who you are and make your life a misery. Having said that, at least you can (nearly) delete the main page. God speed, I have absolute trust in you, for what it's worth, you'll do a fine job. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I figure that EEng will never speak to me again as I am now an "abusive admin" who can block him for the lulz :-( Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:52, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
My plan is working perfectly. You will receive fresh instructions on the usual frequency. EEng (talk) 21:15, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Plus you can now block that pest... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:22, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, did someone mention "abusive admin." Martinevans123 (talk) 19:26, 12 May 2015 (UTC) [reply]
I'm sure I have a t-shirt somewhere which mentions that... The Rambling Man (talk) 21:17, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of West Pier

The article West Pier you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:West Pier for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. --Biblioworm 15:20, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry; just joking! I just Passed the nomination a few minutes ago, but I had some difficulties getting the topic on the talk page's GA tag correct. Apologies if I made the review complicated and frustrating. I should consider making my own GA review survial t-shirt. ;) Regards, --Biblioworm 15:20, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Aren't you lucky I've got a sense of humour ;-) .... seriously, the best way I found to close off GA reviews is to copy and paste the original "page", "topic" and "subtopic" fields off the opening template, which keeps it all in sync. You'd have thought that somebody would have done a Twinkle-type widget for all this. I seem to recall Technical 13 or someone like that was pondering about writing it. Anyway, thanks for a good review. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:29, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Huh? Please refresh my memory. I know I did some stuff to fix expensive parser function issues on the GAN page, but I don't remember all the details or what I planned to do moving forward. If there is interest in a script, I'm willing to research and put something together. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 15:37, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can't for the life of me remember; it's buried somewhere in the WT:GAN archives. A button that's like the AFCH tool for AfC submissions would be an absolute godsend, and the spec for what files you need to change and when is pretty straight forward; if you poke the talk page templates in the right order, the GA bot can pretty much handle everything else. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:41, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of West Pier

The article West Pier you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:West Pier for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Biblioworm -- Biblioworm (talk) 15:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You say A7 doesn't apply to print media[2]. Where did you get that? How/why are print media special? A7 only calls out education institutions as special cases. The Dissident Aggressor 21:49, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@DissidentAggressor: The criteria in question refers only to people, organisations, animals, web content and events - nothing else. Since CSD bypasses the usual consensus building procedure at AfD (or the implied one at PROD), the criteria are narrowly defined and only those specific topics qualify. As you can see from this, Music Tech is a professionally published journal by Anthem Publishing, it does not qualify. There are many other topics that do not qualify for A7 even if unsourced - books is one, films, albums, video games and manufactured products are some more. You may be interested to read the relevant area in the field guide. Additionally, a quick spin through Google Books shows that several of the journal's contributing authors are experts in their field, two specialists in Logic Pro have written commercially published books (and the stock Hammond organ module on Logic is jaw-droppingly amazing for a computer program). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 05:39, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose it could be argued that a magazine is a product and not an organization - which seems to be at the core of your logic. They can be either. The Dissident Aggressor 12:54, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But surely a better thing to do is add a reliable source ... then the debate becomes moot :-) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:56, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Don't get downhearted

Hi, a lot of people are pointing out errors in how you reviewed my bacon sandwich hook. We all make mistakes and sometimes we jump too quickly when something looks interesting and exciting. You're a good editor '''tAD''' (talk) 02:28, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

At the recent South Thanet election, Nigel Farage speculated that losing to the Tories was not so bad, considering that on the day after election in 2010, he was in intensive care following a serious air crash. That's some good perspective that's worth bearing in mind whenever Wikipedians tear each other's heads off. For all this hyperbole about "sharing the world's knowledge", to the man in the street Wikipedia is just some website somewhere - that's it. You're a good editor too, by the way. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 05:42, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Record companies and A7

So many notable pubs....
.....so little time

So you're now saying that because a company worked with a notable product, they're asserting importance. Every beer distributor and bar on the planet is now ineligible for A7 with that false logic. The Dissident Aggressor 12:52, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If they serve notable beer, yes, and if the bar has notable customers (eg: Sun in the Sands, Le QuecumBar, Dublin Castle, Camden, Black Prince, Bexley ... indeed anything linked from List of pubs in London - why not try a pint in each?) then yes! You really are best off having the full AfD debate if in doubt, and it's worth remembering that we're here to write an encyclopedia, not destroy one. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:55, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Or if they serve bacon sandwiches? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:34, 12 May 2015 (UTC) [reply]
Well that's The Globe, Glossop out of the window isn't it. Still, Snake Pass is not too far away, so it's not the end of the world.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:38, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to comment about the rate that I've been creating articles since you felt compelled to comment that we're here to build an encyclopedia, but I realized that you created the article, Pink cat. That's even better than the Social impact of thong underwear. You and I are definitely here to create a different (level of quality) encyclopedia. Congrats on the admin bit. The Dissident Aggressor 17:16, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And here's a pub notable enough for User:Drmies, I'm sure. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:00, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • DissidentAggressor, denying a speedy is done with the lowest possible bar in mind: does the article make a credible claim of importance? Since (foolishly, perhaps) we have decided that a record company is notable if they have a few notable bands, the claim suffices for speedy purposes. (The irony is that a band can become notable if they're with a notable label, so all you have to do is to write up the label and a few bands, and they can be crappy articles with poor claims, I suppose.) Martin, how does a 17th-c inn go back to the civil war? And why isn't the proper term used, "Wah between the states"? Drmies (talk) 18:17, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@DissidentAggressor: The funny thing about pink cat is that there was this page, User:Drmies/Pink Poodle that was just .... well, random, and I thought "well if Drmies can do it to dogs, bugger it I'll do it to cats", then realised what would be even funnier is if it was a real article, then the joke's on Wikipedia. Yes, incredibly, there are an elite band of admins who actually create content .... or is it an elite band of content creators who protect pages every now and then? As for Social impact of thong underwear, well that's just as bad as Justin Bieber on Twitter really. Anyway, yes I've declined the odd speedy or two.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:28, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I trust I can call on you for support with my new DYK nom: Social impact of thong underwear on Justin Beiber? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
After Dr. Young, the sky's the limit at DYK. EEng (talk) 21:43, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Try telling Justin that, you heartless troll! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:45, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"I wonder if they've got Ethel the Aardvark goes Quantity Surveying in here?"

Linking to a shop site is probably not the best way to provide WP:RS. Pretty much every product on the planet has an e-commerce site that says something about it, but they're not encouraged as references. The Dissident Aggressor 15:56, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The term "spam" means the same thing lots and lots of times. WH Smith is one of the most established newsagents in Britain, and has been established in one form or another since 1792. You cannot just take any fanzine off a printing press, walk in, and expect them to start selling it. I really don't understand why you are getting so angry and upset over a music magazine, which I would count as a perfectly good reliable source for any article about music gear. I think you're going to need to send this article to AfD, or start a conversation on the reliable source noticeboard. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:04, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how you're imputing anger in anything I'm doing, but I'll state that I think you're being downright sloppy:
  • I'll remind you that there's only one "R" in WP:BRD. You should have discussed and reached consensus before reinstating your reverted edit. You have no more right to reinstate it than I do to continue removing it. I can't figure out why you would self-declare your correctness, closing discussion, reinstate your edit and state that the burden is on me to take it to RSN. It seems like you are invoking some perceived privilege you think you have as an admin (which you don't). You should self-revert.
  • That source does not support that the publication was established in 2003 or been published by Anthem since then. It's not at all clear where the 2003 date came from. The WP:Burden is on you to provide accurate, reliable sources that support your additions.
As an admin, I'd expect you to be a heck of a lot more careful and I challenge you to raise your standards. The Dissident Aggressor 17:07, 13 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Collaboration

I see that you are a software engineer per your user page (as am I). I was looking at the article that we have here on the topic Software engineer and it is pretty lack luster. Perhaps we could put our heads together and build a featured article (something I have always wanted to do). No rush, just something we could throw together in a user draft page and when it is ready, move it to the mainspace. Thoughts? Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 15:34, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Chrislk02: Gosh, that's a hard task, and its a topic I've never really thought about much either, despite programming in one form or another for, well decades now.
The first thing I'd do in a large-scale article like that is work out what sort of structure it should take, then see what sources I've got, and pull it together from that. This is why I tend to focus on narrower-focused topics, which are easier to get to GA and beyond single handedly - I'm working through Graham Chapman at the moment and that can be more or less done by one person with three or four good biographies, with help on the copyediting afterwards.
Back to sofware engineer, I certainly have several books on the subject, most obviously Steve McConnell's Code Complete and Rapid Development, and DeMarco and Lister's Peopleware, but I'm not sure how much they cover engineering as a person or role as opposed to software engineering as a topic. In the meantime, I've dropped in a small factoid about Apple's "90 hours a week and loving it" culture.
The other possibility is that you could list the article on Today's Featured Article for Improvement, which tends to focus lots of small incremental improvements on broad-coverage topics like this one. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:36, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha, I agree, it is not a trivial task. In the big picture, I think the state of many of the Computer Science related articles on Wikipedia are pretty lack luster. I have a handful of journal articles on the subject, a pile of textbooks, and some other stuff I will scrounge around for and will probably create a workspace in my userspace to work on it. Thanks for the feedback/thoughts on the subject. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 16:51, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you are interested, I started a workspace here User:Chrislk02/drafts/Software Engineer. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:29, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

More about how publishing works

im new to this, can you explain to me how publishing works on wikipedia and what categories can or cannot be published — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keypublicindex (talk • contribs) 15:45, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Keypublicindex: Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. Basically, you can write about any topic that has a genuine encyclopaedic importance, and a rule of thumb for that is "will people want to read about this in 100 years time?" A good example of that might be Politics of the United Kingdom. The problem you have with writing about Key Public Index is you have a perceived conflict of interest as you appear to be directly associated with it. Wikipedia really isn't about promoting new businesses or people at all - that's what LinkedIn and Pinterest are for, and they do it a lot better than we ever would. The plain and simple conflict of interest guide is a good introduction; and its quite common for new editors to fall into this trap, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. As long as you can show that you're interested in writing about general purpose topics, and have the required knowledge and sources, you should be welcome. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:06, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just spotted this in passing (I do something similar myself) and thought you might not be aware of the jolly useful Admin dashboard - all your tasks in one convenient place. Yunshui 雲水 19:33, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion Star Infranet

I've noticed that you declined the speedy deletion request on Star Infranet on the grounds that it is "the PlusNet of India, and hence not an A7". IMHO the article fails WP:GNG in many ways: it has no significant coverage to be considered notable, references 3 & 4 are not reliable secondary sources as they are self-published material, reference 1 is obviously an advertisement, (so they are not independent of the subject) and source number 3 doesn't work. Would the correct procedure be to propose it for deletion for not complying with WP:GNG? Thanks in advance. Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) a penny for your thoughts? 16:51, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Hansi667: In that case, best thing to do is to file a full deletion debate via WP:AfD. Normally I try and add a source to show it's notable, but I didn't have time, but in any case speedy deletions are for articles that have no chance of surviving an AfD debate at all, not even to a redirect. It never hurts to wait the full seven days unless it's obvious vandalism, an attack page, or a copyright violation. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:59, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the feedback. I have nominated the page for deletion.Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) a penny for your thoughts? 17:28, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ritchie333! I noticed the Wikipedia page we set up for our CEO Alexandre Mars has been deleted

It's important for us to have this page as we're a growing startup and Wikipedia is integral to our growing media presence. Can you let me know what we can do to have it up again? Thanks and if it's easier, feel free to email me at jennifer@epic.foundation

I look forward to hearing from you!

Best, Jennifer Director of Communications Epic Foundation Andamanes (talk) 15:41, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Andamanes: The article was deleted because it was a copyright violation of Mars' LinkedIn Profile. Because Wikipedia text can be reused by anybody, and even sold for commercial purposes, we are unable to accept text from anywhere that does not have that specific licencing agreement. That's pretty non-negotiatable.
I'm interested to know why you think "Wikipedia is integral to our growing media presence". Personally, I think LinkedIn, Twitter and Pinterest do a much better job than here - I don't think Wikipedia will actually do very much at all for your business. Neither my company nor my band have articles on Wikipedia, yet we seem to survive! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:49, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Response:

Thanks Richie33.

What can we do to ameliorate the situation? Should we remove the LinkedIn public profile link? We would really liked to keep his page because many journalists visit his Wikipedia page and his Crunchbase profile as part of their thought leader research. If it's better to remove that hyperlink, I am happy to do so.

Thanks so much, Jennifer

My recommendation is to not worry about it and do something else. If I do a Google search for "Alexandre Mars" I can find out all about him. In all seriousness, you really are better off not having an article about him, and you don't need one. See An article about yourself is not necessarily a good thing. I'm just about to nominate Graham Chapman for a good article review - that's the sort of standard of significance Wikipedia biographies should be aiming for. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:25, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Response:

Hi there, I appreciate your awesome advice but my CEO wants his profile back up. And before we set his page up, I did some research and plenty of entrpreneurs and philanthropists have profiles (Pierre Omidyar, Ashish Thakkar, etc). Can we please repost his page? I'd REALLY appreciate it :)

I'm sorry, but the answer is still no - I cannot restore copyright violations. You have far too much of a conflict of interest in having the article existing, which means it is better for the project that it does not. I'd REALLY like a Hammond C3 organ and Leslie 147 speaker for my studio, but that doesn't mean anybody is obliged to give me one! In all seriousness, other admins would block you for this sort of thing, so you should take this advice at face value. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:37, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Hi Ritchie333, is there any way we can just remove the LinkedIn URL? Isn't this the issue? Sorry I am confused about where the problem lies. I am totally okay with editing his page so that we don't have any reference to LinkedIn.

You could rewrite the article in your own words. But you would still have conflict of interest problems - some Wikipedians hate editors with a COI and go out of their way to try and block editors who they think have one. I'm not saying that's good, or bad, that's just how it is. You really need to the advice on your user talk page and the plain and simple conflict of interest guide ASAP. I appreciate you've probably been put in an unpalatable position and your boss has yelled at you to do your job, and that's a shame. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:53, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks Ritchie333. I was going to suggest rewriting this entry to make it more appropriate for Wikipedia. To be fair, I cited the entire article and I copied and pasted the stuff from Wikipedia to Alexandre's LinkedIn page, not the other way around. I wish we had a staff member who has better knowledge of Wikipedia guidelines than I do but alas, I am the Comm Director and a one woman team :) If you have any suggestions on how I can draft an entry that is "Wikipedia friendly", let me know! Also, would you be able to send me the text so I can revise it?

@Andamanes: Aha! Okay, if you copy and pasted Wikipedia's article to Linkedin (and not vice versa), then nothing I said about copyright violation applies. Okay, I have restored the article to Draft:Alexandre Mars where it can be worked on. You need to ensure you have good links to reliable sources in the submission, the Wall Street Journal and The Observer are good sources. Then click on the green "Submit your draft" box when you are ready, and an independent editor will review it for you. That should get you out of the worst problems. I know, the Wikipedia user interface and user experience is awful, isn't it? That's kind of what I was getting at earlier when I suggested focusing on Twitter and Pinterest instead, they've got a modern, up to date user interface! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:11, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
C'mon Ritchie, you should know that's not correct. Info copied from Wikipedia MUST be attributed. On Linkedin it is not attributed but is copywritten instead. It's a copyvio. The Dissident Aggressor 18:17, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If the material was written on Wikipedia first, it's not a copyvio on Wikipedia. Seriously, there are copyvios of our articles all over the 'net, left right and centre. You can yell and scream at people, pleading with them not to do it, but it's not Wikipedia's problem. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:24, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nope - you need to prove it with an OTRS ticket. And it can't be copywritten after the fact. You need to read the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License that's at the bottom of every page. You're getting really sloppy, my friend. The Dissident Aggressor 18:29, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I recommend therefore you raise a thread on ANI requesting that I be desysopped. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:36, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, now you're being a dick. I'm trying to discuss this issue here in good faith as I did above. If you can't be accountable for your actions, and discuss them you should de-sysop yourself. I'm not here to de-sysop you at all. What you're saying by making such an extreme statement, is I'll keep making mistakes, giving incorrect advice, and unless it's at the level for me to be de-sysopped, then take a hike. That's just poor. The Dissident Aggressor 18:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've just been watching some news coverage where two rival gangs in Texas have opened fire on each other and killed nine people. If you can't understand why I consider that more important than anything I do on Wikipedia - ever - then I really don't know what will. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:06, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't understand that response. The best I can figure is it's something along the lines of WP:DOSOMETHINGELSE which is probably appropriate. The Dissident Aggressor 19:14, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I tried to access the page so I could work on revising it but it looks like it's been deleted again. Can you send me the text so I can work on edits? Thanks and I'm sorry this is creating such a mess.

@Andamanes: I'm sorry, but now I really can't. @Chrislk02: deleted it for the same original reasons I did. I've pinged him so hopefully he can join the conversation and give further advice. You're a new editor just trying to get things going, I understand. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:06, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Let me look into it. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 19:14, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, Wikipedia is not here to help you "grow your media presence". Secondly, you seem closely involved with the organization/individual on which the article is written about a WP:COI. Finally, the article was tagged as being copyrighted, with little value in undeleting it. You are welcome to create an article again, from scratch, with content that is not copyrighted, but I fear that the concerns that I listed above may overshadow any chance of success it has. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 19:18, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Chrislk02: Thanks for that. What raised my eyebrow was "I copied and pasted the stuff from Wikipedia to Alexandre's LinkedIn page, not the other way around". This ties in with what I read in Wikipedia:Spotting possible copyright violations ie : "Also, sometimes you will find text elsewhere on the Web that was copied from Wikipedia. In these cases, it is a good idea to make a note in the talk page to discourage such false alarms in the future". A perusal through the article's history reveals other editors have removed self-published sources, trimmed some puffery ... all the things you would expect an inexperienced editor with a COI to make, if I'm honest, and that's what was copypasted to Linkedin. So really per policy this should have be tagged {{backwardscopyvio}} ... although everything I and you have said about COI upthread still applies, of course. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:25, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi guys, I will go ahead and resubmit a new entry, keeping all those guidelines in mind and being sure to properly cite everything. I hope this time it will work. Again, I completely understand Wikipedia is not a place to grow our media presence. Alexandre Mars is a highly influential social entrepreneur and philanthropist, very much like Pierre Omidyar and Ashish Thakkar (both on Wikipedia). We're a growing nonprofit startup and we just want to make the world a better place for children and youth to live in. We're just a bunch of good people who are passionate about impact and the more we can inspire these wealthy folks to be like Alexandre, who's giving all of his time and energy and money to help organizations get what they need in 6 countries/regions around the world. So, it's more about media presence. It's about giving back to our communities and it's about being compassionate.

Are you getting paid as an employee of this non-profit, and are you writing this article in an official capacity of this non-profit? Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 20:43, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Chrislk02, I'm writing this as an official capacity.

Three pints a gin a day

I'd have thought that's quite a notable amount, and in quite a different league to "favouring". Do you doubt the source? Or is it pure exaggeration? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:26, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Three pints" was added by somebody else before I started work. My "go to" source (his official biography) doesn't have it, so I took it out. It was one of things I wanted to quickly go over before throwing it up to the GA vultures. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:29, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I can see why you'd want to put a few yards of clear water between that description and GA. I suspect that the truth might lie somewhere between the two. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:36, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for the stalk - and for the edit summary which gave me my best laugh of the day! --MelanieN (talk) 20:33, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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