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Question About Editing

I know the primary activity here is adding new information from different sources, but for some reason that feels really daunting to me. I've tried correcting spelling and grammar, but most of those edits get reverted, and to be honest, I'm feeling a bit lost here. Is there anything else I can do to be helpful here, things that won't get reverted? I do want to be a good editor here, but am unsure of where to start. Endymiona19 (talk) 22:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Endymiona19, welcome to the Teahouse. You may want to start out via The Wikipedia Adventure, which guides new users in being accustomed to Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:19, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Endymiona19, I know exactly what you mean! I've edited an article, but feel I know less about editing than I did when I started. The guides are, by and large, useless, and most of the questions I put to the Teahouse result in load of incomprehensible answers that seem designed to make me feel stupid. Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 18:22, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Endymiona19. There are plenty of discrete tasks you can help out with that are listed at Wikipedia:Community portal#Help out that are not "fraught". Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I know what you mean. I have yet to collaborate or add anything besides a citations template without it being reverted. I am a person who appreciates support to begin making positive changes, but I have yet to find it on Wikipedia. DHHornfeldt (talk) 23:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Like this 'teahouse.' If you were looking for conversation over tea it is surprising when you find you're actually standing at an info booth and being redirected. DHHornfeldt (talk) 23:45, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

DHHornfeldt I'm sorry that the Teahouse disapointed in that sense. The fact is that the talk-page format isn't really suited to a social setting. If I may redirect you again, some Wikipedians do use live chat to speak to each other which does have more of a chatty vibe to it - see WP:IRC or WP:DISCORD depending on your preference, I suspect that might be more your... ...cup of tea. --Paul ❬talk❭ 11:15, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

DHHornfeldt, Welcome to the teahouse. You do make an interesting point but I think it's a little misplaced. Let me see if I can persuade you. Imagine walking into a physical tea shop, and asking for directions to the loo. if you received the response, "welcome to our tea house, why don't you please have a seat, I'll bring you a cup of tea and we can talk" when you really want to be told how to find the loo, I think you'd agree that they weren't being helpful by offering to engage in a conversation when they simply wanted information. This is a place for chatting but it's also an information resource. If someone comes in and asks a question that has been asked 100 times before, it is far more efficient to point them to the place where all the questions are answered rather than taking the time to rewrite and possibly misexplain the concepts. Your initial post express the frustrations of many brand-new editors and you specifically asked where to start. years of experience with brand-new editors led us to the conclusion that we needed something for brand-new editors and that's why the Wikipedia adventure was created. It's an attempt to do something other than create a boring list of rules; it hopefully is a mildly entertaining introduction to Wikipedia editing. In other words, it was the perfect response to your question. If you try that site and still have some questions, you'll be in a better position to ask a specific question and people here will be happy to try to specifically answer, although I'll warn you in advance the odds are high that they will point you to a page that has all the answers. If you'd like to try chatting, try chatting and someone may join in. S Philbrick(Talk) 16:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Sphilbrick, Paul Carpenter Maybe you didn't notice I'm not the op. I get that you're trying to help but I'm not looking for anything. As you said "This is a place for chatting..." so I thought I'd try chatting. Now I know how chatting goes. Seems like you are excited for WP:ADVENTURE and I hope that lightens your workload. Many happy returns and all that. DHHornfeldt (talk) 21:14, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, DHHornfeldt, you make a good point about social spaces and the role of the Teahouse. I've heard that some of the other-language Wikipedias like German or Italian have more general off-topic chat at their equivalents of our en:Wikipedia:Village Pump (café, beer-hall etc.). I think it's a problem of scaling up to larger numbers of people. That and and the drive-by nature of many of the Teahouse questions. Pelagic ( messages ) – (20:41 Sun 17, AEDT) 09:41, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I'm the one who originally posted this section. I just wanted to thank everyone for their help and welcomes. I am making my way around here and am currently working with another editor on an article, so I think I'll eventually find my place here. Endymiona19 (talk) 04:46, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

My suggestion is to start with small edits, just for you to get the hang of things particularly in terms of formatting and style. For this, you can check Wiki projects listing articles that need copyediting or cleanup. Also, based on my experience, edits that are properly sourced are less prone to reverts. Thank you for your desire to contribute. Good luck! Darwin Naz (talk) 00:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Template:Satmar (Hasidic dynasty)

Something is wrong with Template:Satmar (Hasidic dynasty) and I can't figure out how to fix it. Can someone please help? Thank you, Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 04:05, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Charlie Smith FDTB. Can you explain what problem you see or are encountering with its use? The template is displaying fine as far as I can tell.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:49, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Charlie Smith FDTB: I guess you refer to unwanted whitespace at "Organizations", "Communities" and "Books and publications" in [1]. Some of the parameters had non-breaking spaces which are not stripped. I have removed them.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 11:08, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Every so often, I've wasted time hunting down problems that end up being due to embedded nbsps and other unusual characters that I can't see a legit reason to be in wikitext. Has it been considered to have an edit filter to prevent these (or at least warn, if there is an occasional legitimate reason for them)? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:09, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

@AlanM1: There was a proposal to tag at Wikipedia:Edit filter/Requested/Archive 11#Copying and pasting with WP:VE adding hundreds of hidden non-breaking spaces. It was in response to a specific VisualEditor issue which was fixed. MOS:NBSP says: "Insert non-breaking and thin spaces symbolically ({{nbsp}}, {{thinsp}},   or  ), never by entering them directly into the edit window from the keyboard". I don't know any legitimate uses. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 01:53, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

Is marketing Wikipedia as a "free encyclopedia that anyone can edit" false advertising?

What are considered reliable sources and is there any reflection done at Wikipedia to see if there is bias or implicit bias that is being codified by the perception of those selected to review and accept articles or edits?

NmuoMmiri (talk) 19:21, 17 January 2021 (UTC) NmuoMmiri NmuoMmiri (talk) 19:21, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@NmuoMmiri: Everyone can edit Wikipedia, but there are guidelines that editors must follow - see Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia. One of those is the use reliable sources - see Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Anyone can share their opinion about bias in a particular article by posting on the article's talk page - see Help:Talk pages. GoingBatty (talk) 19:26, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty Thank you for the response. I am new to Wikipedia so I beg your patience with any doubts that I have about the editorial process. I have read the article on Wikipedia:Reliable sources. The confusion that I have is when bias is mentioned in the article, it does not clarify bias in the articles that Wikipedia considers to be reliable sources. The question I have is whether Wikipedia considers all articles that it classifies as reliable sources to be free from bias, overt and implicit? If so, then the reason for my first question was to verify if anyone can edit Wikipedia? Is the purpose of Wikipedia to market the media sources that it considers to be reliable or can anyone edit Wikipedia articles for objective review? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs) 19:41, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@NmuoMmiri: Editors recognize that some sources can be biased. The suitability of sources is discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, with a list published at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. GoingBatty (talk) 20:32, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@NmuoMmiri: You may be referring to the references in your Draft:Providence Office Products. While the references you provided may contain correct information, they do not demonstrate how this company meets Wikipedia's standard for inclusion, called "notability". I suggest you also review Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). GoingBatty (talk) 20:38, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thank you for your reply. I have been reviewing the list of reliable and perennial sources. I am not arguing that perhaps the consensus is that The New York Times, Time Magazine, and Newsweek are considered reliable sources while The New York Post and Daily Mail are considered unreliable. It could be a matter of opinion or a matter of legacy. And while Google Maps is considered reliable while Bing Maps is considered unreliable, could leave some to wonder, there may have been a consensus in this decision as well. I am not arguing with consensus, but consensus by whom? Is this consensus by viewers of Wikipedia or by a selection of editors? Among the editors, is there any protocols in place to prevent implicit bias? I ask because Wikipedia has quite a reach and although I am new to editing a Wikipedia article, I am familiar with the influence that it has on the Internet. I have reviewed the topic of notability. After reading, the first impression is to equate "notability" with "fame" or "infamy". And while infamy can lead to calamity, or calamity can lead to infamy, I ask whether Wikipedia allows references from sources that are not available on the Internet?

These are topics that may just be developing because of the recent discussion around media, the Internet, and censorship. Through the development of social media, it is an opinion that traditional media organizations holds and rejects certain views. Social media is considered platforms where people are able to express themselves freely. However, because of the dangers surrounding free speech, there has recently been an effort to provide some censorship in social media platforms. Many traditional media platforms have already had some type of censorship through the editorial process. The editorial process of Wikipedia is what I now have the opportunity to explore. I would like to learn if the editorial process for Wikipedia is more like a social media company or like a traditional media company. I assume it would be difficult to get a clear answer on that subject, but that was the theme of my original inquiry.

If there is any information or threads about how Wikipedia plans to address any concerns regarding both traditional and social media, they would be greatly appreciated. I understand the difficulty in assessment as these are growing technologies. I remember reading the New York Times as a youth, and the experience of reading it online is quite different than that I remember of perusing the actual pages. The front page of the online version has many opinion articles today. That is also true of the online versions of Time and Newsweek. That is quite a remarkable difference from decades ago. Are the qualifications for reliable sources given to a whole organization or just the part of the newspaper that are actual articles?

Thank you for providing guidance on editing the draft of Providence Office Products. Providence Office Products provided a great role for the community in offering products during the pandemic. It is an e-commerce business, that is not just a local store, but able to deliver products anywhere. Thank you again for your time in assisting me navigate this learning experience. NmuoMmiri

What is your connection to Providence Office Products? David notMD (talk) 23:57, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

I am a customer of Providence Office Products, I have purchased products from Providence Office Products. During the pandemic, many small businesses in Texas went out of business. I am on the other side of Texas than Providence Office Products, hours away, but I was able to order products from them online and they delivered. This was notable, because early on in the pandemic, many products were difficult to find. Providence Office Products had local media coverage in their area for all the services that they were providing. Face masks, hygiene products, digital marketing materials, logo design, custom embroidery, t-shirts with logos, even coffee mugs. Anything you would need to keep a small business going, they could deliver, anywhere. Not just in Texas, anywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs) 13:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: Why are you concerned with my connection to Providence Office Products and not addressing any of my concerns about the editorial process at Wikipedia? I have read talk pages where people have had their pages about their best friends approved. What are the protocols if any to prevent overt or implicit bias among the editors at Wikipedia?

comment added by NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs)

NmuoMmiri, your last substantive comment is very long and I'm not going to engage with all your points, but just to pick up on a few:

• Consensus is achieved through discussion by editors who have any interest. We can't compel people to participate in discussions, though important ones are widely publicised.
• I'm not sure where you've read that Google Maps is considered reliable but Bing Maps unreliable, but I can't imagine many instances in which a map would be a useful source for article content.
• You ask if the editorial process for Wikipedia is more like a social media company or like a traditional media company. I'd say neither. It's an encyclopedia, which is different to a social media site or something like a newspaper. Nether social media or traditional media content is determined by consensus.
• In answer to "Are the qualifications for reliable sources given to a whole organization or just the part of the newspaper that are actual articles", yes, we often differentiate between news and opinion pieces from the same publication (either in terms of their reliability or whether they need to be treated as opinions rather than fact). See the various entries for Fox News at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources for an example.

I hope that answers some of your queries. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:49, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Cordless Larry Thank you for the response and clarification. Yes, these explanations are very helpful. I have a better idea now of consensus. I am making the assumption that for reviews, there is not a consensus but a decision being made by individual editors. As I am not familiar with the editorial process, I still am unaware of any protocol to prevent bias by an individual editor or the consensus of a group of editors.

As for the examples of reliable sources, I was just referring to the list of reliable and perennial sources. I understand that this topic is beyond Wikipedia, so I am not expecting a response on the reliability of sources. I am just raising the point that that traditional and emerging media sources are also subject to opinions and bias. If Wikipedia is more like an encyclopedia than social media then it is subject to review of the bias or opinions of some of the sources in the perennial sources list.

Thank you for providing the classification of Wikipedia as more of an encyclopedia than a social media platform. I am currently looking at the page of Emuzed. I am providing this as an example of a company page that appears in Wikipedia for the sole purpose of comparison and not from any knowledge of the company what so ever. I am using this example just to find out more about how the review decision is made for these entries.

Thank you for taking the time to address my concerns. You have answered many of my questions. In fact, you have answered all but one of my questions. The only question that I have remaining are what, if any, are the protocols in place to reduce implicit bias at Wikipedia?

comment added by NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs)

I'm not sure that anything can be completely free of bias, NmuoMmiri, but please see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. There's also Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias. I also meant to link to Wikipedia:Consensus above, for an explanation of how consensus is reached. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Cordless Larry That is helpful information. Wikipedia:Neutral point of view briefly discusses editorial bias but it could go into more detail about editorial bias if it provided an example of how editorial bias can occur. Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias is quite a fascinating article. Thank you for providing it. A good research project may be to see how often selection bias occurs if that information was available.

comment added by NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs)

I asked about your connection to Providence Office Products because WP:PAID or WP:COI may apply if you are being paid to create an article or have a personal connection to the topic at hand. Wikipedia asks that if either apply, that information be on your User page. Ditto for the other article for which you have created drafts. David notMD (talk) 03:05, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

David notMD Thank you for the advice. I am new to Wiki editing so I am not familiar with all the regulations. I wish I was being paid to edit wiki pages, but I am honestly not. I have created drafts on articles that I believe should be added. I am not an expert of office supply stores but I wanted to highlight a company that perservered and assisted people through the pandemic. A lot of companies were price gouging and crushing small businesses throughout the pandemic. Many small businesses went out of business. In Texas, a large percentage of the workforce rely on small businesses. If a small business is providing assistance in difficult times, is it notable?

I will be more careful about the topics that I propose at Wikipedia. But there are many topics that are just missing entirely. I read another comment that you made earlier about not letting existing pages be the standard for new pages. I think that helped in finding out why there appears to be double standards set accross many genres or topics that appear. I would still like to know more about the possibility of protocols at Wikipedia to impede double standards, systemic editorial bias, systemwide selection bias, or implicit bias at Wikipedia.  :Cordless Larry provided some assistance but I do not think that the resources provided addressed all the concerns. Thank you for the guidance on paid editors and conflicts of interest. That was helpful. comment added by NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs)

David notMD My connection to Providence Office Products is that I am a Customer of Interest. I am a happy customer of Providence Office Products because it was very difficult to purchase office supplies during the pandemic. In the United States, the major office supply chains are in takeover talks and the few office supply stores that remain are notable. I am a customer of Providence Office Products just like I am a customer of Wikipedia. I do not remember companies in my Encyclopedia Britannica. Now it appears there are more companies in Wikipedia than anything else. There should be protocols to prevent the commercialization of Wikipedia, protocols that prevent selection bias or implicit bias at Wikipedia. NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs)

Another question may be to find out the requirements for a company page to appear on Wikipedia. Is there a standard anywhere for company pages to appear on Wikipedia? Significant media coverage on companies can be misleading. Some locations may not have the same amount of media organizations as others. What if there is a large farm in a rural area that employs many people in that community. The rural area may not have the media organizations, but that does not make the large farm insignificant. NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs) — Preceding undated comment added 04:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@NmuoMmiri: The requirement, like GoingBatty said, is notability, specifically WP:NCORP. It's by no means a perfect system, but it's a system that works for our purposes. Every piece of information must be verifiable, so we rely on reliable sources to back up every bit of information. Therefore, we're offloading the editorial judgment to the writers of reliable sources because they have established authority and track record of factual reporting. This is perhaps why we have little coverage on farms but more coverage on companies. You might also want to read Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 04:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

• This discussion has moved beyond the scope of the Teahouse and probably should be closed. It's an interesting discussion in many ways, but it seems better off being continued at Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies) since that seems to be primarily what it's about. Asking general questions about Wikipedia:Notability at the Teahouse is fine; however, once things move into a more detailed theoretical discussion of a particular WP:SNG, then the discussion should be moved to the SNG's talk page because that's where any proposed changes to the guideline are going to need to be sorted out and a consensus for them established. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:40, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: Thank you for the response on the topic of notability. I understand that it is a system that works for our purposes. When you say our purposes do you mean "our" as the editors or "our" as the readers?  : @Marchjuly: I am willing to close the discussion or move it to the appropriate page. However, my original inquiry has not been answered. The original inquiry was to discover if there are protocols in place to prevent system=wide selection bias, implicit editorial bias, or overt editorial bias at Wikipedia. The discussion of the notability of companies for the purpose of identifying how companies like Providence Office Products or companies that are in rural areas can receive equal treatment as companies that are in urban cities with great media coverage, I can move to the appropriate page. I noticed there are list pages for companies that are in major cities. If there is a page to ask questions about the editorial process at Wikipedia, please provide directions. My original request was to understand the protocols to prevent systemic implicit selection bias at Wikipedia, if they exist. This discussion can be kindly closed if there is a place to identify the topic of implicit selection bias or overt selection bias and for new personnel to ask questions to seasoned editors about the editorial process. NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs)

@NmuoMmiri: There are a couple of places where you might possibly discuss this type of thing. One is at Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies) because that is the talk page for discussing things related to Wikipedia's notability guideline for organizations and companies. Another possible place might be at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countering systemic bias because that is the talk page for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias, a WikiProject whose members discuss ways to try and address issues of bias on Wikipedia. Finally, another possible place you might try is at Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab), but it might be better to try one of the other two first and see how things work out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:56, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Thank you for the suggestions. I have raised the topic in all the areas that you mentioned. I was hoping there would be assistance here to provide to new personnel about how systemic implicit selection bias is addressed. There was no intention of getting off of the topic. For someone who is very new to editing pages and wants to add a page for a notable company such as Providence Office Products, it is good to know that there are many seasoned editors willing to provide assistance. As for the topic of protocols to prevent implicit bias, it seems that it is still a point of discussion.

NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs)

@NmuoMmiri:. You probably shouldn't try to start discussions about this on all three pages since that is almost certainly going to be seen as WP:FORUMSHOPPING. Moroever, trying to discuss the same thing simultaneously on multiple pages isn't very practical since it almost always leads to a fragmented discussion and almost never helps achieve what the discussion is trying to achieve. If it's not too late, I suggest you pick one of the three (I suggest WT:NCORP) and keep everything in one place. If you want to let others know about the discussion, you can do so by providing them with a link to it as long as you do so in accordance with WP:CANVAS. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:58, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: It is not the same topic in three different places. It is three different topics in three places. One topic is the notability of notable companies like Providence Office Products. If people want to follow that discussion about how to address media coverage guidelines, they can visit Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies). Have not received a response yet, but would like to know more about companies in smaller cities or rural areas. As far as protocols for systemic implicit bias, I have asked about it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countering systemic bias and suggested protocols Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab). Have not received a response from any of those three locations. There may not be any venue for discussing notable companies like Providence Office Products or systemic implicit bias. If so, I would like directions.

NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs)

@Marchjuly: The discussion could continue on (talk).

NmuoMmiri (talk)

Would like help in editing my draft CallRail @Theroadislong

 Courtesy link: Draft:CallRail

I'm pretty new to this, so please excuse me if I'm writing this note in the wrong place. My recent article submission, CallRail, was declined by Theroadislong. I would like your help in understanding how I can improve this submission. When creating the article, I used an existing Wikipedia page as my guide. I studied their sources and how they framed up the topic with the hope that my post would not get flagged. Can you help me further understand and point me in the right direction? I can strip the copy down to sound more neutral but would like some guidance in terms of source finding, etc.

Thanks, AzumSauce07 (talk) 23:32, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, AzumSauce07. The quality of the references is all-important when writing a Wikipedia article. What is required are multiple reliable sources that are completely independent of the topic (the company in this case), and these sources must devote significant coverage to the topic. What I see are directory listings, funding announcements, promotional websites and coverage obviously generated by company press releases. It is the quality of sources that matters, not the quantity. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Reviewers take those standards seriously. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

AzumSauce07, I see that you have declared that you are a paid editor. I also see that you have a total of eight edits to date. I am curious why you think that you are qualified to write an acceptable article about a corporation with so little experience? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:52, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Not all existing articles deserve to exist. Thus, modeling on an existing article is no guarantee for success. David notMD (talk) 01:54, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

(Ed) Indeed. For structure, tone, standard headings, categories, navboxes, etc. existing articles are a great guide. But the primary hurdle of notability is a separate thing.

Having said that, on a quick glance at the article, some parts (like the lead) read as objective descriptions, but others less so. For example Conversation Intelligence was launched around the same time as Form Tracking. It works by automatically recording calls and using artificial intelligence (AI) to transcribe and analyze phone calls.. That may be true, but does it primarily tell the reader what it is? Or only indirectly? I would write something like "Conversation Intelligence" is a feature/module/whatever that records calls and uses Artificial Intelligence (AI) to transcribe and analyze phone calls. It was launched in year.[ref] And even then, is listing products and services the best way to describe what CallRail is? Our aim isn’t to sell CallRail to prospective customers.

Stylistic matters aside, the real question is "is CallRail significant enough to deserve an encyclopedia article?" Or are you just trying to improve the way you show up in Google, Alexa, and so on? There is a fundamental tension here: G, A, etc. use Wikipedia because our contents are supposedly vetted and kinda "reliable". If we were an indiscriminate listing of self-described company promos then we would be of no value to them. They could just pull their info cards straight from the official company websites. Or you could pay Google to get an ad listing at the top of the SERP.

Sorry for the rant. When it comes to sources, I would normally respect Forbes, but "5 Website Tools To Boost Your Marketing Campaigns" doesn’t sound like critical journalistic output. SearchEngineLand I would think is well-regarded. A local newspaper's local business awards might count for something but how important is that in the global scheme of things? Atlanta's not exactly a small town, but would a reader in Stuttgart or Mumbai care to whom AJC awarded a great workplace award?

— Pelagic ( messages ) – (01:09 Tue 19, AEDT) 14:09, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

It’s a Forbes "contributor" piece so useless in terms of reliability. SK2242 (talk) 01:57, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

A more accurate link is WP:FORBESCON. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

H0MARUP

I want to have an article special just for my relative. He is a translator. Can I do that? And by the way, I want to know how to make an article on Wikipedia. Thank you! H0MARUP (talk) 13:27, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi there H0MARUP, and welcome to Wikipedia. Policy strongly advices against creating an article for someone you know on Wikipedia, as it will mean you have a conflict of interest, so the article may not be written from a neutral point of view. Most people are notable; chances are, if they were someone would've already created an article about them. Wikipedia has specific guidelines on articles for people, seen at WP:NBIO. I would recomend not creating an article about your relative. However, if you believe they are notable and you can write from a neutral point of view, then H:YFA is a good place to get started. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 13:32, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

 Note: Is there a chance you are referring to Draft:Christian Bernert? — Yours, Berrely • Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 13:35, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I am talking about him. You can see my drafts? - Yours, User:H0MARUP 13:52, 18 January 2021

Trying to reply a message for user Berrely in my question. How can I do that??? H0MARUP (talk) 14:07, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

You answered successfully, HOMARUP, except that you created a new section, which is not helpful when replying to an existing section. I have removed the header, merging the two section. --ColinFine (talk) 15:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

And to answer your previous question: everything on Wikipedia is publically viewable - drafts, talk pages, sandboxes, everything. That's why the "Save" button was renamed to "Publish". But only articles in the main space are indexed by external engines such as Google. Please read about notability before doing any further work on your draft: Wikipedia is only interested in topics which have already been written about in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 15:21, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Your draft very, very, little content and no references. This cannot become an article unless there is published stuff about your relative. If there is not, then you should consider abandoning this effort. To delete your draft, at the top put db-userreq inside double curly brackets {{ }}. An Administrator will come along and delete the draft. David notMD (talk) 18:39, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, yeah there is an online newspaper for him, but I just don't know how to add. Please help! H0MARUP (talk) 11:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC)H0MARUPH0MARUP (talk) 11:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by H0MARUP (talk • contribs) 10:13, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

H0MARUP, your two other drafts are not eligible for inclusion. First, the Austrian thing has nothing to tell and has no references. Second, the anime thing is copied from a fandom site, is unencyclopedic, and has no references. Please read WP:YFA to help you understanding what articles can be made. GeraldWL 12:48, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Is marking articles as stubs considered minor edits?

Basically what the title says. I want to know if it's a minor edit to mark an article as a stub. Is it a minor edit? I would like to know. Toad64 14:25, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Toad62, if it's really a stub according to WP:STUB, then yes it's minor. GeraldWL 14:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me, I appreciate it! Stay safe. Toad64 14:31, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Toad62 I would say it's always non-minor, since it's a judgement call as to whether it's a stub or not. See WP:MINOR. Also, is there a reason you have your sig say Toad64 instead of your actual username, Toad62? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:56, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I like to change things up a bit, you know what I mean? Since the process of renaming your entire account is really long, I thought, "Hey, why don't I change my signature?". I won't change it for now, because I think the username Toad64 is nice. BUT, I may change it in the future if I get bored of the name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toad62 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I just had an idea what if I include my past signature usernames into a new section on my user page? So far, I've only changed it once, but if I change it in the future, it would be nice to know if someone was confused about the username thing. Toad64 14:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Referencing query

Could someone explain what is/does?

Thank you Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 18:52, 18 January 2021

@Maryanne Cunningham: Assuming you're talking about just [[s:]], it's a shortcut interwiki link to Wikipedia's sister project Wikisource. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:06, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you U:Tenryuu. All I want to do is continue using a referencing system in an article started by someone else, which doesn't seem to be possible. "Linking to Wikisource" means nothing to me: I don't know what it is and it doesn't seem to fulfil any of the (much publicised) need for independent verifiability, as it just takes you to another wikipedia page. Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 19:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Which article are you referring to and where are you seeing it? It's possible that it could be linked for further reading on the subject. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

The article is Vortimer. Thank you U:Tenryuu. (I don't know if this is the correct way of adding your username, I do apologise if I've got it wrong.) Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 19:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Maryanne Cunningham, I am not receiving pings from you because the software does not recognise U as a namespace. It's better to use something like {{Ping|Tenryuu}} or {{Re|Tenryuu}}. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:48, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you {{Re|Tenryuu}}. I'm slightly confused. Have you not just pinged me, using u (or was that U)? Or did I just use the wrong brackets? Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 20:12, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Tenryuu, {{Re|Tenryuu}}, {{Ping|Tenryuu}} The one with the U in it seems to work best, or didn't it ping you? Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 20:22, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Maryanne Cunningham, you were using square brackets (which create a link) instead of curly brackets (which create a template, which can be heavily customised to perform certain actions like notifying users). The two examples that I provided are meant to be copy-pasted when reading, not editing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Maryanne Cunningham: it's not a Wikipedia page, but a Wikisource page; but otherwise you're quite right: most Wikis are user-generated, and so unacceptable as sources. What goes between the <ref> and </ref> should be a citation of an external source. However, if that source happens to be available in Wikisource, then it would be acceptable to include a link to the wikisources page (which would look something like [[:s:name-of-the-work]], but I'd have to look up how you specified a particular chapter or page) within the citation, just as you can include a link to a copy Google books. But that link does not replace the citation, it supplements it. And I'm not sure whether the citation templates (which are not mandatory, but most people use them) have a parameter for an interwiki link as opposed to a URL. --ColinFine (talk) 19:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

(ec) Hi, Maryanne, Wikisource being a "sister project" to Wikipedia means that it's also hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation, but functions separately from the encyclopedia. It's a repository for free books (and other documents). One of its major functions is that scanned/photographed pages are transcribed by volunteers to produce more usable text. In this view of page 404 from Six Old English Chronicles, you can see the image of the printed page side-by-side with the transcribed text. Hope that makes sense, Pelagic ( messages ) – (07:35 Tue 19, AEDT) 20:35, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Pelagic! Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 21:21, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you ColinFine. Could you explain what <nowiki> means. Why does a reference begin with code? (the pages with advice on referencing, and there are many, all seem to advocate starting with either <ref> or some other combination of brackets and the word ref). Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 19:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

The <nowiki>something special</nowiki> code tells the software to treat its contents as plain text and not interpret any special wiki markup. Compare ''italic'' versus italic. Pelagic ( messages ) – (07:47 Tue 19, AEDT) 20:47, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Aha, thanks Pelagic Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 21:21, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

@Maryanne Cunningham: In help and discussion pages, when it discusses wikitext, it's usually intended that you copy it when reading the article. If you are in edit mode, you will see the things like <nowiki> tags and {{Tlx}} templates, which are used to format/link the code for viewing. You are meant to copy the code when viewing the page, not when editing it. For example, if I write that you should use <ref>{{Cite book|last=Smith|first=John}}</ref>, it means you should copy the code displayed when reading the page, from <ref> through </ref>, without all the <nowiki> and <code> tags and {{Tlx}} and {{=}} templates that you see when you edit this page. I hope that makes sense (it's hard to explain it without using the same techniques I'm writing about). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:27, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you AlanM1. Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 20:30, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

References

RFA

I have 2 questions, I would like to ask about requests for adminship. 1. How do neutral votes effect the RFA vote percentage? 2. What sort of Users get adminship and how should you go about it? 20th anniversary (talk) 21:05, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

20th anniversary Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would start with the underlying premise of your questions in that you don't need to be an administrator to be a productive contributor here. You can do probably 95% of things here without being an administrator. Being an administrator just means you have extra buttons or functions that would be irresponsible for every user to have(such as being able to delete pages). If you can demonstrate a need for the administrator tools, such as performing work on Articles for Deletion discussions, reporting vandalism, or other actions, the community would discuss any nomination of you and if it agrees you merit having the tools, grant them to you. While there are few hard and fast qualifications to be an administrator, it is expected that you have a lengthy edit history of productive contributions that demonstrates that you understand most Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Typically this takes years and thousands of edits to accomplish- and seeking it out doesn't always work. It usually occurs naturally when other editors notice your work. I didn't seek out the toolset, others thought I merited it.

Neutral votes are just that- neutral- and do not impact the percentage. 331dot (talk) 21:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you:)

The way to go about it involves making a large number of significant improvements to articles over a period of years. 20th anniversary, you may wish to make a start at this. -- Hoary (talk) 01:39, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Sounds good, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 20th anniversary (talk • contribs) 10:51, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Is a resubmitted AfC visible to multiple editors?

Hi Everyone, Just wondering when a reviewer declines an AfC and it is resubmitted after completing the improvements, is that resubmission visible to multiple reviewers or only the original reviewer that declined it?

My original draft was reviewed very quickly. I understand there is a backlog of AfC's but I'm just curious.

Many thanks, Midnight713 (talk) 23:55, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Midnight713. Nice work on the draft. To answer your question, any reviewer can see and make a decision on your resubmission. I've removed the br tags from your post as mediawiki already parses the whitespace. Best of luck, Zindor (talk) 01:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Zindor: Thank you very much and thank you for the formatting advice. Learning as I go, little by little... Midnight713 (talk) 07:32, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Midnight713: Given what a good job you did, posting here resulting in the draft being accepted (by me). (That is not the typical result of a post here about an AfC draft.) Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)

@Fuhghettaboutit: That's wonderful! Thank you very much indeed! I will continue to work on some other editing work outside of my article (grammar, citations etc) to get more experience. I've learned a lot from doing my first article, not least the helpfulness of the community here. Many thanks! Midnight713 (talk) 07:32, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

how to add external links

I'm editing this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Thompson_(film_director)

I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong with the reference #4 for the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. Why does the the reference keep showing the whole URL? How do I get it to have that little external link icon? Somapsyche (talk) 03:35, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Somapsyche, it's probably because you didn't add https:// before the URL. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:01, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I see you added it for me, you're super! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Somapsyche (talk • contribs) 12:30, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Iss Pyaar Ko Kya Naam Doon?

FYI

 – Separating from above. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:30, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I am AppleAKB (talk) 05:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)AppleAKBAppleAKB (talk) 05:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC). I was editing Iss Pyaar Ko Kya Naam Doon? article. Someone made comments on the page and had received -193. When I undone the edits, they undone them again. We have been going over the who is right or not. Can someone compare RYLELT7 edits and AppleAKB's. I really request you because she has made me a little nervous about being blocked. Please respond on my talk page. AppleAKB (talk) 05:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

AppleAKB, I strongly suggest you and RYLELT7 discuss this on the article's talk page, as both of you have passed three reverts in an article in 24 hours, which is a blockable offence. I also suggest you read WP:TONE, as fragments like This is the love story [...] and The 8 episode series recalls the events that are special for any Arshi (Arnav+Khushi) fan are not appropriate for Wikipedia's voice. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:39, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@AppleAKB: about your comment Someone made comments on the page and had received -193, I think that what you are referring to here is the edit history of the article where the figure "-193" appears after some of the edits. This is not a "score" or negative evaluation of the edit. It only means that each of those edits removed 193 bytes from the article. Similarly, numbers in green show the number of bytes added to the article, and are not an approval rating. More information here. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 08:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Iss pyar ka naam Raj hai. Hahaha.

On a serious note, will check out the history page.

I am new here and this is my first time posting on TeaHouse.:)

GoelDushyant (talk) 18:51, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Deleted article

Note: This regards the deletion of User:TBrehautStudio21, under WP:CSD#G5.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:50, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Deleted article

Dear Teahouse Readers,

I submitted a carefully prepared article which was verifiable and correct which was promptly sleighted for deletion. Please refer me to a good editor who can help me to resubmit my article. As each item was correct and notable. I don't understand why it was deleted.

Thank you.

Best,

Taisha 172.58.228.83 (talk) 05:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi. There's a bunch of issues here but I am dead tired and going to bed, so I leave it to others to explain more but, I just wanted to note that I was going to undelete and move the page to a draft location where you could work on it – given that much of the reason for the deletion was the unfortunate fact that the content was placed by you on your userpage, rather than in a more suitable location – but I cannot undelete it because it was a copyright violation of this site.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:00, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

To expand on what Fuhgettaboutit says above, we cannot accept text which has been published anywhere else, as a general rule. Even if it was "verifiable and correct" it would still put Wikipedia as a whole in legal jeopardy to host content which is essentially plagiarised. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 06:24, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia strongly advises against attempts at autobiography (see WP:AUTO). Also, please comment and edit only when logged in. Your account is User:TBrehautStudio21 but when you commented above while not logged in it appeared as from IP address 172.58.228.83.

1776 Commission

Hi there. The Trump administration's 1776 Commission marked Martin Luther King Day by putting out a "report" that defends the Founding Fathers for owning slaves and attacks the Civil Rights Movement. The WP article needs some help. Can anyone here help? Or point authors in the direction of → 1776 Commission? --93.211.218.85 (talk) 06:06, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

What help do you think the article needs specifically? SenatorLEVI 06:13, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

If you have suggestions for improving an article, start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 06:15, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

my miss anand

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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 122.167.70.210 (talk) 06:55, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

my miss anand too. GeraldWL 07:07, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Anand SenatorLEVI 07:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

& ← an "and" ... Pelagic ( messages ) – (18:50 Tue 19, AEDT) 07:50, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

What advice do you have for new, young editors?

I'm 17, and have only recently joined Wikipedia as an editor (though I haven't edited much – only translated a few pieces and made some minor lexical changes to articles for the sake of clarity). Most importantly, I'm interested in becoming more active and joining Wikipedia's community!

What tips and advice might you have for new and young editors like me? What are some of the best ways to integrate quickly into the community? What are some little-known tips about contributing to Wikipedia's trove of knowledge?

Thanks very much! - An interested member Lanterne.wiki (talk) 08:15, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Lanterne.wiki, everyone has their own way of getting started. The best advice is to look around and see what interests you. I personally started in counter-vandalism, however if you want you could try content creation, clearing out backlogs and many more, see WP:DASH for everything you can do. I think a lot of new users miss out how useful some scripts and gadgets are, Twinkle is a must have. Simply going through the "Gadgets" section of preferences will do you good. A good thing for new editors is the adoption program, where expereinced users mentor newer users and help them into the community, teaching them the basics for what they need to know. However, others may have a different opinion, and I'm sure others would like to reply. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 08:21, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Lanterne.wiki: Welcome to Wikipedia! You may be out of the intended age range by now, but this essay addresses our younger editors to remind them to do things like not give out personal data. If you're new to editing wikis in general, you may benefit from taking the interactive tutorial, The Wikipedia Adventure. This cheatsheet is a nice document to refer to when you want to use some of the basic formatting tools on here. I also suggest taking the time to learn how templates work, as it can help cut down time on typing out code.

As far as starting out goes, experienced editors recommend contributing to pre-existing articles (as creating a new article from scratch is one of the hardest things to do on here). If you would like ideas as to what articles to improve, you can check out the community portal's "Help out" section, or get suggestions at User:SuggestBot/Requests.

An important thing to remember is that Wikipedia is a collaborative project, and editors will have different perspectives which will clash with each other. When you get into a conflict or dispute like this, always try and discuss it first politely on the article's talk page (it can be accessed by clicking the "Talk" tab somewhere at the top of the article).

Shameless plug: If you're interested in copy editing, you may be interested in joining the Guild of Copy Editors. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 08:29, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Lanterne.wiki, we get this question relatively often, and so I've written an essay on some interesting ways to start which you can find here Also, welcome to Wikipedia! Giraffer ^{(Happy·Wikipedia Day!)} 08:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for all these responses! I'll explore the Adopt-a-user program, the Guild of Copy Editors (@Tenryuu:, thanks for the plug!), and read your essay, @Giraffer:! What a great way to be welcomed to the community! Lanterne.wiki (talk) 08:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Certification for linguistic proficiency?

Hi!

I've noticed that some people, such as @Rosguill: have certification for linguistic proficiency on their User Pages. Are these given by Wikipedia itself, do users who have these upload official certificates for approval from Oversight, or are these self-reported?

Thanks! --Lanterne.wiki (talk) 09:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC) Lanterne.wiki (talk) 09:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Userboxes indicating language skills are based on the user's self-evaluation of their proficiency. They are not certifications, and the levels in the userboxes don't correspond to any official language proficiency test scale. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 09:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Ah, good to know. Thanks very much! --Lanterne.wiki (talk) 09:29, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

It can be helpful to know that a user is proficient in a particular language, for instance if you need help evaluating whether a source is good, but mainly, these userboxes serve to give other editors a bit of information about yourself. It makes us all look less like faceless anonymous Internet strangers, without adding any information that could serve to identify the person outside Wikipedia! More information about language user boxes here. --bonadea contributions talk 09:31, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

​As an addition to Bonadea's comment, adding those userboxes to a user page also categorises them. If you're looking for someone who's a native German speaker, you can go to Category:User de-N to find an index of all the user pages that have had {{Babel|de}} added on them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:16, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Question by Techvaness

How do I successfully publish a biography of a media personality Techvaness (talk) 10:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Techvaness: I assume this refers to Draft:Abena Kyei Boakye. Unfortunally, I am not an admin and therefore cannot see the deleted revisions. In general, the steps to create a new article are as follows:

• First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our general notability guideline (GNG). Consider whether your subject clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
• Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
• Third, If you have any connection or affiliation with the subject, disclose it in accordance with our guideline on Conflict of interest. If you have been or expect to be paid for making edits, or are making them as part of your job, disclose this according to the strict rules of the Paid-contribution disclosure. This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing.
• Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
• Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
• Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draft when you think it is ready for review. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
• Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request here or at the help desk and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article.

Maybe some of the admin folks could have a look at the deleted draft and tell you more precisley. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 11:03, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Victor Schmidt mobil, their talk page shows the deletion as being a speedy G11. Giraffer ^{(Happy·Wikipedia Day!)} 11:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

The text was extremely promotional in nature, with much glowing language about the subject and no sources at all. 331dot (talk) 12:12, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

What I meant by that is that, at least IMO, still differences in content deleted under g11. Some things are the worst of the worst, while others are in a way "So, while it is promotional, one could invest a few hours recuing this. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Change.Org petition as supporting reference within the body of an article.

Change.Org Petition as additional reference? Hi there. Quick question. Say I want to edit an article about a subject that people are debating: Can a petition on Change.Org be linked to as an additional reference (to show public backing), in support of the published academic and subject expert views on the matter that precede it within the body of that article? I'm not asking whether such a petition would merit an article of its own. Many thanks in advance. Sandwidgiz (talk) 12:08, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Sandwidgiz Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It would be better to have a secondary reliable source that discusses this petition, instead of the petition itself. 331dot (talk) 12:10, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

331dot Thanks for your quick reply. I do have a published article, by a well-respected business journalist that discusses the problem in general and references the academic and expert support, but the article does not reference the petition (rather, I felt, that petition is an artefact in itself). I just felt it added some weight to the other references, as it clearly shows public support (with countless public comments akin to a newspaper article). But thanks for the advice! Much appreciated :)

Sandwidgiz, can you share the link to the article so that a more accurate comment can be made? Also, it is not required to have the petition link. It's not encouraged to, especially if the link is still active. If the petition has ended, it can maybe be included. GeraldWL 12:57, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis Thank you for your feedback. I'll leave the edit for now and see what happens in the future with further articles, etc. It's nothing major, I just wanted to know whether it was allowed. Cheers! Sandwidgiz (talk) 14:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Doraemon

After working on the article, I nominated Doraemon for WP:GAN. I just wished to ask the Teahouse editors to give their opinion on possible edits to further improve the article.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 13:35, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

MAKING A NEW PAGE ABOUT SOMEONE

Hello there, I have been trying to create pages for my son and daughter for a while and really finding it difficult. Can you help me with this please?

My Son is the current Mr World, Jack Heslewood and my daughter is a former Miss England & UK, Kirsty Heslewood.

I hope you can help. Best Wishes, Kerry Heslewood - Mum Kerry Heslewood (talk) 14:08, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Kerry Heslewood Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may not be aware of it, but you have been given some good advice on your user talk page, User talk:Kerry Heslewood, that I would recommend that you read and review the policies linked to therein(if you haven't already). The main issue I see with your draft is that you provided no independent reliable sources to support its content. A Wikipedia article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about the person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Wikipedia is not social media to merely tell about someone. Successfully writing a new Wikipedia article is the absolute hardest thing to do here, and most people fail in their first attempts, especially if they have not edited existing articles first. It's harder to do when one has a conflict of interest, as well. 331dot (talk) 14:17, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

You could take an existing article on a Mister World, such as that for Rohit Khandelwal as a template for a new article. However, as you have been advised, the main problem when writing about someone close to you is to be neutral (see WP:NPOV) and only include material in well-known reliable sources such a newspapers that are independent of the subject: which means, usually, that the source is not just based on interviews. If you can find, say, four such sources than you should be OK. The initial draft doesn't need to be long, it just needs to show that WP:NOTABILITY. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:36, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Your draft User:Kerry Heslewood/sandbox has no references, and it also has hyperlinks in the body of the draft, which are not allowed. David notMD (talk) 16:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Alexandra Aguirr (talk) 14:21, 19 January 2021 (UTC)Aprove for my draft Álvaro Coutinho Aguirre

Hi, I am creating a page for my grandfather. He was the first to create a non private reserv for animals in Brazil (!), and had no Wikipedia page. I created one in Portuguese, he is already in wikidata, and created one in Spanish, not linked, because who created the wikidata, didnt add the Spanish language, and I dont have permission to do it. And I have my draft in English waiting since september for the second revision. It is very important to disseminate his work, mainly at these times, when nature in general is not respected. I´ve been to #wikipedia-en-help, some of the volunteers took the name of the draft, but I had no answer so far. So I am writting to see if I have to complete anything, data, references, etc. I trully appreciate any help, thank you very much. Alexandra

ÞÞ Alexandra Aguirr (talk) 14:21, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Alexandra Aguirr Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Waiting since September is a long time, but there is unfortunately no way to speed up the process; drafts are reviewed by volunteers who do what they can when they can, in no particular order. Wikipedia is not concerned with disseminating your grandfather's work, but in getting the draft right. You will need to continue to be patient. 331dot (talk) 14:23, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to The Teahouse Alexandra Aguirr. It needs a complete re-write to make any sense, it looks like it has been machine translated? Theroadislong (talk) 14:26, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi 331dot thank for your message, and yes I am waiting! :) Hi Theroadislong thank you for your message here and at may gandfathers draft. I did the translation from portuguese. with the help of a distant relative from England. A complete re-write to make any sense looks a bit offensive, as it doesnt has any sense at all, what I dont believe. But anyway, thanks for your contribution, anyone is always welcome! :) Alexandra Aguirr (talk) 17:53, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Embarrassing question

I am fairly experienced on wikipedia and I have recently written a new article in Draft:Hydrogenated MDI (H12MDI). I cant remember or workout how to submit it for review - please help. GRALISTAIR (talk) 14:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello GRALISTAIR, that's not something to be embarrassed about. Next time you want to submit a draft for review just insert {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page. I have already inserted this at the top of your draft. SenatorLEVI 14:58, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

The article has been accepted and is now live. GRALISTAIR, do you need a chemical drawing for the compound? I can put an .svg file on Commons if you're not going to do that yourself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:13, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

The required code is {{subst:submit}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Thankyou very much indeed. Yes please a drawing of the chemical compound would be great thank you. GRALISTAIR (talk) 16:52, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Question

If a article consists of lines like- "This is a popular book" or "This is a popular Tv channel" then would it be violating Wikipedia's neutral point of view? 103.139.171.67 (talk) 15:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, popularity is subjective and that sort of language should be reserved for either direct quotes or statements such as "this book sold x copies in its first edition" with a source for that information. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:17, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism Revert?

Hi, I recently had an edit reverted on the friendlyjordies article, with vandalism being the reason. I presume in good faith that the reason for the revert was simply that it was tagged with "possible BLP issue or vandalism" rather than an implication of intentional wrongdoing, though I asked the editor who reverted it and haven't gotten a response. Having a look at the actual tag on Special:Tags it seems any edit on a biography of a living person with a word such as "corruption", among others, will get the tag (do I have that correct?). I redid the edit thinking it was a possible typo I made that triggered the tag/reversion, but it wasn't as the tag remains, so I do assume it was just the word "corruption".

What is the correct thing to do here? (Assuming I interpreted what happened correctly) should I just not add any edits to biographies of living persons that contain words like "corruption", "fraud", "fired", etc lest it gets instantly reverted? Thanks. Volteer1 (talk) 15:20, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Volteer1. No, you should not modify anything you are doing as a result of this. This was patently an incorrect and improper revert by the user in question, who should never have tagged your edit as "vandalism", even if there could have been some valid reason to revert you (though I can't see any). There may be a good explanation (we all make mistakes – a few weeks ago, I rolled back another user's edit with a misclick without even realizing I had done it; just postulating: maybe the user had multiple tabs open, and had a moment of confusion between your edit, and another user's addition of "fart" to our article on Beethoven; who knows). But we reserve the use of "vandalism" for edits that are obviously intended to harm. We don't use it even for incredibly poor and misplaced edits, which, though they should properly be reverted, might have been made in good faith. We all take responsibility for our own edits. This is on them, not you. Chalk this one up to the inexplicable, until you get an explanation by the user. As I have linked his or her username in this post, they will be pinged here, and maybe can explain. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:52, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

P.S. Addressing something else in your post: the fact that an automated process tagged your edit as possible vandalism to a BLP, when it was not—though it potentially prompted the ensuing revert—is no vindication of it. If that is the case, then the result should be for the user to slow down and be more careful. I think that is likely to play out here, as the user's talk page has another user complaining about a nearly identical improper revert, with the automated tag as the reason for reverting as "vandalism", as if that's at all a valid excuse.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:03, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I see, thanks Fuhghettaboutit. Definitely a little bit frustrating but it's good to know it's nothing I should be having to worry about. Volteer1 (talk) 16:29, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Volteer1: You're welcome. I'll note that upon investigating, I discovered that this was a far wider issue than it appeared at first glance – a pattern of these vandalism reverts and warnings for good faith edits was revealed. I have followed-up here.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:09, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Obtaining Advice

In the discussion following rejection of my article Draft:Direction Finding by Amplitude Comparison for the first time, it was suggested that a better introduction to the topic would help. However, a second editor, in rejecting the article, suggests the problem is more basic than that! My aim in the article is to show, specifically, how to obtain the bearing of a transmitter from the signals received by an array of microwave antennas. It was not my aim to write a general or woolly article on microwave direction finding. In any case, a general description of RF direction finding already exists. I know that the techniques described will only be of interest to a few, but even though established many years ago they are still in use today. The article does contain mathematics, but many articles already on Wiki are more complicated. Is there anything I can do to make my article acceptable to Wiki editors, or should I abandon it altogether. Please advise. D1ofBerks (talk) 15:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, D1ofBerks. I can see you've put a lot of work into that draft. What concerns me is whether it might be original research. Is each derivation present in a single one of your sources? If not, that would be Synthesis. --ColinFine (talk) 18:03, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Thank you for replying to my query. The content of the article has been well established for a number of years, so I don’t think it could be called original research. However, it is true that I refer to a number of sources, but as these cover much the same material and are not contradictory at all (they just say the same thing in slightly different ways), I don’t think its synthesis. I aim is to present the basic concepts on how a bearing value is derived in what I hope is a clear manner and give enough references for those who wish to pursue the matter further. D1ofBerks (talk) 23:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Reliable Sources (Non-Google News / Google Books)

I'm looking into improving Slidecasting, but the word "slidecast" and "slidecasting" is basically never used. I nominated the article to have it moved to "Enhanced podcast", but I was curious whether some less official sources were considered reliable or not. I mentioned some sources on Talk:Slidecasting that are from blogs and other non-news sources and I was curious how I would determine if the source is reliable. I'm pretty sure I've seen some guidelines on this, but I don't remember what they are so if you could point me in the right direction that'd be really helpful. I know I've seen people use blog posts, dictionary entries, company websites, and other less official sources but I've always been unsure about using them so I've shied away from it in the past, but I was hoping to learn how and when to use them now that I've got a bit of experience. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:25, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I also noticed that the Slidecasting article was already mostly relying on blog posts and non-news sources before I started editing it. Should I remove those sources or are they considered reliable in some way? TipsyElephant (talk) 15:34, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Pages on Other language wikis

In advanced settings we see a logo on which if we tap we get to see that article on other language wikis, but I know an article which is on other language wikipedia but is not shown in that list, Therefore how do I add that article from other language wikipedia to that list. 103.139.171.67 (talk) 15:43, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Underneath the list of Languages, it says 'edit links', click there and it'll take you to the Wikidata item where you can add other language wikipedias. --Paul ❬talk❭ 16:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I see you asked from the mobile version of Wikipedia. It doesn't appear to have a link for unregistered users. Logged in users can enable "Advanced mode" in Settings to get a "More" link on the top right of articles. This includes a "Wikidata item" link where links to other languages can be edited. Unregistered mobile users can switch to the desktop version by clicking "Desktop" at the bottom. Then you get the option Paul mentioned. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:42, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding persons or institutions

I'd like to add some people and institutions to the free fund of knowledge. How do I become a contributor? 66.191.87.58 (talk) 16:58, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@66.191.87.58: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You can, at least in theory, yust give it a go. I do need to say however, that sucessfully creating a new article is one of the hardest tasks one can start on Wikipedia. There are guides available here here or here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:29, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi! Welcome to Wikipedia!

Creating a new article is one of most difficult tasks at Wikipedia (and some users consider it the most difficult). Based on my own experience, I would strongly recommend you not to hurry. It's better to stay here for some time and read, read and once again read to grasp a feeling of what an article should contain and what it should look like. Then start doing minor fixes, updates and expansions. In the meantime talk to other users to get comments and comment yourself on what you and others are doing. And only then you may hope you're ready to write a new article from scratch successfully.

Of course you need to know about the most important rules and policies of Wikipedia, starting from Five pillars through Verifiability, Notability (with its specific subsections for people and for organizations and companies, at least), WP:COPYVIO, WP:COI & WP:PAID, and others, like WP:OWN. These, and many more, are listed at Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines.

You don't have to learn them all by heart - but you need to know they exist and remember they apply also to you.

And the simplest way to learn them is by assimilation, which requires time.

Meanwhile you can try to take the The Wikipedia Adventure to learn Wikipedia basic features.

Good luck! CiaPan (talk) 20:38, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Trying to get help creating an (English) Biography page that already exists in German

A German Wiki page exists for my grandfather Josef Fraenkel (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Fraenkel), but I wondered how I can flag this to Wiki editors that it should be in English Wiki too? The instructions for this are unbelievably complicated! And I do not speak German so I cannot even work out how to tag that article that it needs translating. Does anyone have any simple advice please? NB Josef was a British citizen from about 1940 - 1987 when he died, was published in England, and all his direct living relatives are in the UK, so it only seems logical. Thanks.

There are even a perfect categories for him... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Jews_who_immigrated_to_the_United_Kingdom_to_escape_Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_historians#F Bubbeles (talk) 17:16, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Bubbeles. Unfortunately, since Wikipedia is entirely created by volunteers who work on what they want to work on, when they choose to work on it, flagging that an article should exist often achieves nothing, unless you happen to catch the attention of an editor who might be interested. There is a formal place to request articles - requested articles - but that often seems more like a graveyard of ideas. Possibly the best place would be to try and find an appropriate WikiProject, and ask there, since the members are more likely to have some interest in the subject. You could also try looking through the category Category:Translators de-en; but that will only identify the editors who have at some time said they were available to translate. You would probably need to look at each one: at their user page, to see if they have said anything about their availability, and at their user contributions, so see if they appear to be currently active (and also to get an idea of the kinds of subject they have translated articles on). If you find some suitable candidates, you could ask on their User talk pages. I don't know a way to shorten or automate this task, though.

Looking at de:Josef Fraenkel, I see there may be a problem, in that the sources given may not be enough to satisfy en-wiki's criteria for notability. There are only two given. The Adunka appears to be a nine-page paper in a volume from Edinburgh University Press, a reliable publisher: that is almost certainly a good source; but one source is not usually enough to establish notability. The other source is an entry in a biographical handbook: that could mean anything from a two-line listing to a three page essay: the latter would work for notability, but the former would not. (The titles in the Schriften are all presumably by Fraenkel, and so cannot contribute to notability). And indeed anybody who translated should see those sources rather than just copy the citations across. --ColinFine (talk) 18:26, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Editing Wikipedia

Edit and add titles and subtitles I am responsible to update some school's Wikipedia pages. They have a huge change in the content and also their title and subtitles. I want to update them somehow that looks natural and is not violent of Wikipedia rules. Could you help me with this? Ninasaas (talk) 17:25, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Ninasaas Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. When you say you are "responsible to update", I take that to mean you work for or represent the school. If that is true, you must read the conflict of interest and paid editing policies, for information on formal disclosures you are required to make. You are welcome to propose edit requests on article talk pages, detailing changes you feel are needed, if those changes are sourced to reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 17:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ninasaas, and welcome to the Teahouse. The thing that you and the school must understand is that you do not own Wikipedia's article about your school: it should summarise only what independent sources say about it. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. . So, by all means make edit requests, but information you give will probably not be added unless it can be found in such an independent source. That is why the edits you have so far made to Nagoya International School have all been reverted: they were promotional, saying what the school wants to say, not what independent commentators have said. Your own website is the place for promotional text, not Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 18:41, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Donations Alternative

Hello. I love this website a lot and feel very bad every time I am asked or want to donate. I am still in high school and have no credit card to donate with. I know many other readers have the same problem so I thought of a solution! Wikipedia is nom-profit right? So they don't use ads to get money and depend on donation. But what if Wikipedia did make money threw sponsorships? My idea is that if reader can't donate threw credit card or other electronic currency, then Wikipedia can ask to redirect them to a different Wikipedia owned website that shows the viewer an AD or some other sort of sponsorship thing, and boom, Wikipedia now gets money there sponsorships on a different website and viewers can OPTIONALLY donate without using online currency! I think its a good idea but there are probably more things to it that you guys have to do or reasons I don't know why you can't but know that many people want to donate but can't because they have no form of online currency. Thanks! 2600:1700:4940:1E80:A045:E8AC:F252:B2F8 (talk) 18:12, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for wanting to donate: but do not worry. There is absolutely no requirement on you (or anyone) to donate; and at present, the Wikimedia Foundation is not struggling to find enough money to keep the servers running. Please continue to enjoy Wikipedia and the other wikis that the Foundation runs. If you really want to donate, there are other ways than credit cards: see WMF:Ways to Give/en. --ColinFine (talk)

Ads for Wikipedia is a perennial proposal that is usually rejected because advertising is non-neutral. I'll just be more specific in that you can mail a check to Wikipedia if you wish(and as you may not have a checking account, perhaps a parent, guardian, or other adult friend could donate for you). Again, though, donating is not required, be it now or when you are an adult with a credit card. Though Wikipedia runs on donations, and is looking to create an endowment so future donations are of reduced necessity, its finances are stable and Wikipedia is not in jeopardy. 331dot (talk) 19:07, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

"CentralAuth token expired"

I logged in and it gave me a page that can't make me go back to in red text that CentralAuth token has expired. What does that mean and am I compromised? 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 18:40, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@LightningComplexFire: it means that your central login session expired or got lost. Please check if you are blocking cookies for the wiki you are trying to login on and login.wikimedia.org. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:48, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Victor Schmidt, I don't know what that is 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 18:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@LightningComplexFire: "central login" or "central auth" refers to a feature in the software behind Wikipedia that you can login on one Wiki (for example, en.wikipedia.org) and are simultaneously logged on on other Wikis of the same Wikifarm (for example, de.wikipedia.org). For that purpose, the software behind Wikipedia uses short-lived tokens and cookies on the domain https://login.wikimedia.org. Those tokens have a limited lifetime of I think 10 seconds. The error message means that the token had expired when the software attempted to use it. There are two reasons why this message could appear: 1) network failures or 2) blocked cookies/cross-origin-scripts/etc. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:06, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Victor Schmidt, Ok, I thought someone hacked me or something 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 19:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

How to deal with a disruptive user

Hi, I'm having trouble dealing with a disruptive user: They've been reverting edits by loads of people, including myself, providing very little justification or reasoning if any at all, accusing me of vandalism even though my edits were based on a primary source included as a reference in my edits, had an edit summary explaining the changes, and had a discussion on the talk page.

When I asked them to stop behaving this way on their talk page they first deleted my comments with no response twice, and when I restored them, they basically said that unregistered users don't matter, and accused me of vandalism again.

This is not an isolated case for this user: Other people have pointed out their disruptive behaviour, and been met with similar responses: Accusations of being a bot, continued accusations of vandalism even when it is clearly not the case, more "you're not even a registered user" type comments, and deletions of entire comment threads and warnings whenever they feel like it.

The thing is, I don't think this person is a vandal, so I'm not sure if a block request would be appropriate at this stage. They do seem to want to help in some way. It's just that they're doing it very badly and being very disruptive as a result. But while things would have been fine if it was just a new user who needed guidance, this user is being very hostile towards any attempts to correct their behaviour, with warnings having no effect at all.

Despite all my explanations, and another user trying to engage them as well, the user has persevered in accusing me of vandalism, and though he has not done so yet, stated that he intends to revert my edits again. I'm really at my wit's end here, how do you deal with a user like this? 109.236.4.20 (talk) 18:50, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. When it's a content dispute, then DR tells you how to proceed. But it sounds as if it's a behavioural issue. If you have tried to discuss it with the editor in question, and they're still doing it, then WP:ANI is the place to report it. Note that 1) you should provide links to the postings/diffs that you are unhappy with; 2) you must notify the other party; and 3) admins will look into your behaviour as well: see WP:BOOMERANG. --ColinFine (talk) 19:06, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm going to point out here that users, with the exception of a few things, are allowed to remove content from their talk pages; it is considered an acknowledgement that they have read the warning. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:17, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies. I did intially consider WP:ANI but thought it to be an overreaction, at least at this point - They seem to have good intentions, it's just that they're seemingly very new and misguided.

Regarding removing content/warnings: It appears that I was mistaken, but also - What about discussions that are in progress between other parties? I replied to another user who was commenting on this person's disruptive editing, and before they could reply the person just removed the entire section from the talk page.

Also, what about when the user first replies to the warnings, saying that they don't matter because they're coming from IP users, before they remove them? They've certainly seen the warnings, but they are literally saying that they are refusing to acknowledge them.

In any case I'm currently trying to reason with them, but they're still justifying their "anti-vandal" activities with statements like "95% of my edits are responsible which is good for a beginner almost seven editors thanked me until now". Is there some guideline that I can direct them to? Someone else already requested that they see WP:VAND and WP:NOTVAND but it's seemingly had no effect. 109.236.4.20 (talk) 20:10, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

User:Oxforder has been blocked for 31 hours, but given how argumentative and disruptive this editor has been (as evidenced on talk page and what has been deleted from Talk page, including Warnings from long-time editors), I imagine once the block is over, will continue behavior. David notMD (talk) 21:30, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I had hoped that their being blocked would have convinced them to calm down and just read the guidelines, but they've now taken to accusing me of personal attacks and are just repeating the same refuted point over and over again like a broken record. And it's a very easily refuted point at that (claiming that I did not have an edit summary or source, sometimes while linking to the diff which shows that I did!). I think I will bring this up to WP:ANI after all if they keep at it.

I'd like to ask though, would I have to remain engaged in the process once it's brought up to WP:ANI? I am very tired of dealing this person and really just want to be done with it at this point. I'm really far too tired to go through if it means I have to participate in some drawn-out process.

The main thing I'm worried about, which is why I haven't just ignored them already, is how they threatened to revert my edits in the future: I don't want to have to worry about my efforts being ruined at some unforeseeable future time when I'm not looking. 109.236.4.20 (talk) 05:19, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Oxforder continues to defend behavior on own Talk page (allowed during the temporary block). You will just have to wait until the block expires to see if behavior tempered. One option an Administrator has is to block either one of you or both of you from editing a specific article. David notMD (talk) 13:00, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Table

I need help fixing the table under List of Jewish American politicians. For those who served in the Trump administration, in the Cabinet, the table is not formatted properly and Steve Mnuchin is on the outside of the table. Can someone please help format this correctly? Thank you. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 19:32, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done, Pennsylvania2. I have no idea what happened there, and I'm no table expert, but I think I've fixed it. Regards, Giraffer ^{(Happy·Wikipedia Day!)} 19:55, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much!!! Pennsylvania2 (talk) 19:58, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

No problem. Giraffer ^{(Happy·Wikipedia Day!)} 20:03, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Birthday

 73.92.16.111 (talk) 22:03, 19 January 2021 (UTC)Arthur Chagn

Do you have a question for the Teahouse? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Are you allowed to reply to discussions at ANI?

I was just wondering so I don't get in any trouble wit dicussion there. SoyokoAnis 22:40, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

SoyokoAnis, welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you are allowed to contribute to discussion at ANI even if you're not an administrator; just make sure that it's constructive. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Tenryuu, thanks! Are you also allowed to contribute to discussion on the Teahouse or only Teahouse hosts? SoyokoAnis 00:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

SoyokoAnis, if you believe you have an answer that solves whatever problem the asker has, you may add your input. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu:, okay! Thank you! SoyokoAnis 07:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi SoyokoAnis. The Teahouse tends to be a bit friendlier and more forgiving of a place than ANI; so, before posting anything at ANI, I suggest you take a careful look at WP:ANI advice. Wading into the middle of a heated ANI discussion when you're not very familiar with the process or you're not directly involved in what's being discussed might not be the best way to pass the time on Wikipedia. ANI discussions tend to be heated because ANI is usually where editors go to try and get someone else WP:BLOCKed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:03, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

And on occasion, get blocked themselves. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 08:17, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

uploading an image to an existing page

I am working on editing this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Thompson_(film_director) I have permission to use an image which I uploaded to this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lightcone.BrucePosner.jpg#filelinks How do I get that image to show on the main page? It's a picture of the person, obviously... Somapsyche (talk) 23:33, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Somapsyche: It looks like the image was deleted because the permission wasn't given properly. Please see this for info about the permission that you need to grant to Wikipedia when uploading images. A suitable license would be Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

So it looks like only the person holding the copyright is able to upload? When I read the instructions, it includes and option for my having been given permission to use the image. So I don't understand how it works. If I have permission, how do I get it on the webpage? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Somapsyche (talk • contribs) 00:05, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Somapsyche: Copyright is pretty confusing. You shouldn't upload on behalf of the copyright holder! Like what the response above says, follow the steps at WP:CONSENT, and read WP:DCM for more info.

Alternatively, we encourage media uploads to be done at Wikimedia Commons instead. Over there, there's a helpful copyright release tool at Commons:Commons:Wikimedia OTRS release generator, which streamlines the process (see Commons:Commons:OTRS for more info). The difference between uploading to the English Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons is that uploads to Commons can be used on any Wikimedia project, while uploads to the English Wikipedia can only be used on the English Wikipedia. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 01:26, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

What is going on at Carmel Convent School?

The article history looks really really weird to me, I've got no clue what to do here. Can someone more experienced take a look at it? Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Skarmory: Many school articles see a lot of vandalism from students in the school themselves. Many also contain information that is not properly sourced to reliable sources. This one's history does not look too strange for a school to me; you could improve it by looking for reliable sources yourself and editing the text for grammar, flow, etc. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 01:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Position of the Contents

How do I move the Contents below the Top Introduction? Ggae1885 (talk) 00:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Rita Asfour

@Ggae1885: The table of contents automatically appears beneath the introduction and above the first header. In your case, you have a header above your first paragraph, so the table of contents appears above that. You'll need to remove the header for it to appear where you want. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 01:06, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Ggae1885: You moved the draft to articlespace too soon, as you have not provided any references. To avoid it being deleted, you may want to move it back to draftspace and continue working on it. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Kerwin Walton Wiki Page

Can someone help with Kerwin Walton the basketball player from North Carolina wiki page he's a very humble kid but he should have a page think he's leading all time scorer at his former high school Valid773 (talk) 01:03, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Valid773: Any subject must fulfill the notability guidelines to have an article: either the general notability guideline or the basketball-specific notability guideline. In both cases, you must have sufficient reliable sources to back up any information in the article. High school/college athletes rarely hit the notability guideline, so I'd make sure you have enough sources to demonstrate notability. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 01:12, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Why would you change something back from an edit that is widely known without checking your resources that something is not correct. Chris Stirewalt was Laid of and that's all there is to it.

 162.234.162.5 (talk) 01:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Every content addition you make in articles should be accompanied with a reliable source, so the information can be verified. If you need help adding references, check out this guide. SK2242 (talk) 02:24, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Chris Stirewalt was laid of by Fox News. It is being reported by the Washington Examiner, The Los Angeles Times went as far as to say fired, The Daily Mail,The Washington Post, Fox News and many other news outlets.

FYI

 – Section merged by Tenryuu.

Chris Stirewalt was laid of by Fox News. It is being reported by the Washington Examiner, The Los Angeles Times went as far as to say fired, The Daily Mail,The Washington Post, Fox News and many other news outlets.

In response I was told

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia Yada Yada Yada. This is important information that people should know. If the student maintaining this record is hurt by this development the student should be reassigned to a new subject that the student can maintain impartially.

Otherwise this Wikipedia is the last place you will find out facts because it will be the last place to update them. 162.234.162.5 (talk) 02:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

His firing is in the article now. However, all three of your edits ([3][4][5]) were written in a very unencyclopedic tone and were rightly reverted. Wikipedia is ok with being "the last place to find out facts" because we rely on other sources to report first. We do not publish original research. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 03:59, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

The opening paragraph already said "Fox News laid him off in January 2021" with sources [6] before your edits. It was there during all your edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:38, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Cropping images

Hello could somebody please give me a step by step process of how to crop an image? Thanks. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:56, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Paul Vaurie, check out Commons:CropTool if you're interested in cropping an image on Wikimedia commons. ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 02:03, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Paul Vaurie. There are also editors who like to do this very type of thing and they can be found at here on Wikipedia and here on Commons; so, if you don't know how to do it yourself, you can always ask for help. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Thank you! Paul Vaurie (talk) 13:41, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Paul Vaurie. Note that Template:Annotated image gives instructions for using a cropped part of an existing image from Commons within an article. That allows for display of part of an image without irreversibly changing the version stored, just in case it is needed elsewhere at its full size. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

How to manage edits to a controversial article? Peer-reviewed cites being deleted as 'bullshit'.

Having personally experienced the oral health benefits of the ancient practice of Oil pulling, I wondered what Wikipedia had to say on the subject. I was disappointed to see the article appeared to have a strongly negative bias towards the matter.

Curious, I took to the internet to see if there was any peer-reviewed studies that verified the benefits I had experienced. I immediately found two: One, from The NCBI, and the other, The Indian Journal of Dental Research. I posted a small edit to the article, indicating that there were studies which show benefits to oral health, and cited my sources. It seemed a simple, yet useful contribution to the subject.

Knowing the subject is controversial, and sensing the tone of the existing content, I popped back a few hours later to see if any further discussion was taking place. Instead, what I found was that my edits had been reverted, and the reason given was "Unreliable quackery journal; far from WP:MEDRS". No attempt was made by the editor who revered the changes to discuss them with me.

I took a day or so to think about this, and did a bit of reading on how Wikipedia recommends handing such things. I feel that the article deserves to have sources cited which show demonstrated benefits. My edit simply clarified a single sentence, and provided two valid sources. I restored the edit I had made, and noted that both sources cited can hardly be considered 'unreliable quackery'.

What happened next was twofold:

1. A different editor again reverted my edit, but this time the reason given was 'Remove bullshit'
2. The following post appeared on my personal talk page:

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Oil pulling, you may be blocked from editing. Don't add content nonsense and unreliable Ayurveda quackery sources to the encyclopedia. Zefr (talk) 23:53, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

This troubled me greatly.

I'm by no means some hero-level editor. I pop in from time to time and contribute where I can. I am grateful that Wikipedia has a strong contingent of editors looking out for nonsense, but when that becomes overzealous, and a subject becomes policed by a biased mindset, we all lose.

So, I'm somewhat at a loss here, and would appreciate some advice:

• Part of me figures just drop it. It's oil pulling. The world will not end.
• Part of me, however, feels that what has happened here is something people need to stand up to, lest it drive away the very folks (namely, all of us) who make Wikipedia what it is. The additions I made to the article are not "quackery", nor are they "bullshit". If those are acceptable standards for deletion of edits, then folks, Wikipedia is kinda sunk.

Well, thanks for reading my long tale. I would appreciate any and all perspectives. Jimvanm (talk) 02:46, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Jimvanm: There could be some of Wikipedia's systemic bias coming into play here. However, your sources aren't that high quality either. The NCBI one isn't a study, but a poorly-written review of other studies. The second has a sample size of just 20. I suggest giving WP:MEDRS a read; we want to publish scientific consensus per our no original research policy. Instead of looking for individual papers, I suggest you look for reliable secondary sources covering oil pulling and its supposed benefits. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 03:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Jimvanm: It appears you are attempting to edit in good faith, and I'm sorry you didn't receive a more civil response. You explained that you updated the article, and someone reverted it. Instead of making the same edit to the article, it is generally more constructive to follow the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle and discuss your suggestions at the article talk page: Talk:Oil pulling. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Of the two references you added, the second (as noted above) was a clinical trial. This does not meet the criteria required by WP:MEDRS. And in my opinion, the first - a review - in theory meets WP:MEDRS, is too weak to justify adding the text you added that was reverted. Take to Talk of the article and start a discussion. Looking at other oil pulling reviews with PMID numbers 29085271, 27261981 and 30395784 there may be a case to be made for a carefully worded claim for possible oral hygiene benefits. David notMD (talk) 13:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I will add that the existing refs in support of oil pulling not being a valid treatment DO NOT meet MEDRS, as two are to newspaper or magazine articles. David notMD (talk) 13:41, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks everyone for your perspectives. That gives me some very useful insight.Jimvanm (talk) 14:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Help

hello everyone, can someone improve my page? you are welcome Ali banu sistani (talk) 02:50, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello Ali banu sistani, which page are you referring to? SK2242 (talk) 03:40, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Ali banu sistani, is it perhaps your userpage you are referring to? I notice you have several userboxes on there declaring userrights not associated with your account. If you have an alt-account that is part of those groups then please declare it, otherwise I'd highly recommend removing said userboxes. That would certainly be an improvement to your page. Zindor (talk) 12:54, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Reference Lists

Unsure about how to properly format the references section on a page... whenever i attempt to do it, the font too large and not indented TheExpertOnEVERYTHING22 (talk) 04:33, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@TheExpertOnEVERYTHING22: I looked through your edits and I'm not sure which page you're referring to. Take a look at Help:Footnotes for help, or look at any page with properly formatted references and try to copy that syntax. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 04:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@TheExpertOnEVERYTHING22: Help:Referencing for beginners may also be helpful. I see you've edited Caine and Playford International College - both articles have properly formatetd reference sections. GoingBatty (talk) 04:42, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

SOmething disturbing

is happening at Second impeachment of Donald Trump involving pictures. I can't figure it out, perhaps you can. Carptrash (talk) 05:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

 Fixed. Someone vandalised a template; I've reverted their changes. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Thanks, I'll sleep better tonight. Carptrash (talk) 03:43, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

An editor has removed several Basque names

The editor 2601:742:8001:2D80:E8A2:6A27:971D:6861 (contributions) has removed many Basque names in articles about locations in Spain – I believe that's what nearly all of their contributions have been so far.

I have no experience with location names in Spain, but it looked odd to me. Since I wasn't sure if there's perhaps a policy against having Basque names for some locations and since at least many (perhaps all) of the Basque names were unsourced, I didn't revert their edits.

Any suggestions on how to proceed?

Thanks! palindrome§ǝɯoɹpuᴉןɐd 06:15, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Good catch. I have checked their contributions, and you are right that IP removed several Basque names. I was thinking vandalism first, but it turns out that they seem to mostly be reverting unsourced additions by another IP. Indeed, the current IP editor seems to try making constructive edits for example here, where they kept a Basque name and just put it inside a proper lang template.

I too do not have knowledge about Basque names, and maybe someone familiar with the subject might want to take a further look. But it doesn't look like vandalism to me. --LordPeterII (talk) 14:50, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

LordPeterII, thanks for taking a look at it! Looking at the links you gave, it does seem like they were probably just reverting other unsourced changes. palindrome§ǝɯoɹpuᴉןɐd 15:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Archival databases as sources

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia and curious about using archival databases or a film archive's online catalogues as references when adding information on the location of a film print (or for info on said film). Is it enough to link to the database and provide the film id in the reference? Thanks! SacKate (talk) 08:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi SacKate it's very difficult to answer your question in the abstract, could you show us an example? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:38, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Roger (Dodger67), I'd like to use the EYE Filmmuseum's online catalogue as a source for the location of and information on some films in Luise del Zopp's filmography. Because the database doesn't have a unique link for each film in the catalogue, I can only provide the main catalogue link and the film ID for people to search with (for example, as I've started to do on her page). Just want to make sure that's an acceptable sourcing practice. Thanks! SacKate (talk) 13:36, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

SacKate that is a difficult question, beyond my skill level unfortunately, perhaps someone at the Technical Village Pump could help you. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

SacKate Could you provide a sample link? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 06:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Ok I see what you're doing at Luise del Zopp. I'd say that's acceptable: a footnote should provide enough information that someone else can access it. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 06:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you ◢  Ganbaruby! ! SacKate (talk) 08:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

My topics

Hello Everybody! I want to write articles about my hometown and villages, what do you think will it be published in Wikipedia website so that all people around the world can access it and read it ? Zaki5030 (talk) 12:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Zaki5030, welcome to the Teahouse. Populated places are generally presumed notable, so it's likely you could write such articles. Census records are a handy way of providing demographics data and verifying the existence of places. Some recommended reading would be Your First Article, What Wikipedia is Not and Referencing for Beginners. Be sure to check that the articles you'd like to create don't already exist. Regards, Zindor (talk) 12:33, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Zaki5030 There's one more thing to keep in mind. If you are writing about small villages it may be very hard to find sufficient sources that say much more than the bare basics. In that case it is common practice to write about the next level up of local government organization such as municipality, district, commune, county, etc whichever is applicable. There you can write "ABC is a municipality in DEF district. The municipal seat is "Maintown" and there are also three small villages "Village A", "Village B" and "Village C"." Then you can add a short paragraph about each village. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Becoming part of this site

How do i get to be part of this site? 204.12.85.214 (talk) 12:45, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi IP 204.12.85.214. Can you clarify what you mean by be a part of this site? Do you want information on how to edit Wikipedia? If so, try taking a look at Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia. If, on the other hand, you want information on how Wikipedia articles and what types of subject are generally OK to write about, then try looking at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

AfC

I was hoping to publish the drafts for some podcast awards so I created Draft:2019 iHeartRadio Podcast Awards, Draft:2020 iHeartRadio Podcast Awards, and Draft:2021 iHeartRadio Podcast Awards. I based these pages on 2019 iHeartRadio Music Awards and 2020 iHeartRadio Music Awards. All three of my drafts were rejected for having WP:ROUTINE coverage, but both the 2019 and 2020 podcast pages have more sources than the corresponding year for the music awards. Would it be possible to reverse the decision to decline my drafts or is there a way that I could improve the article so that they meet notability guidelines? If not then why are the music awards notable and if they aren't should I tag those for deletion as well? I asked this question at the [desk] a few days ago, but figured I might get a quicker response if I post it here as well. I'm also fairly new when it comes to publishing new articles so the Teahouse seemed appropriate.

I looked into it a little more and the Forbes articles seem to be rather lengthy and non-routine. For instance, the 2019 Forbes article contains 1,300 words and even after removing the list of winners from the article it still has over 600 words of content. Similarly, the 2020 Forbes article is 900 words without the list. And obviously any and all of the sources I cited contain more content and are more reliable than the 2019 Music Award's reference to twitter and the 2020 Music Award's reference to Instagram. In addition, the Music Awards appear to lean just as heavily on iHeartRadio and Billboard articles. TipsyElephant (talk) 14:28, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I would even argue that the awards are notable even without significant coverage. I'm not sure what the guidelines are on that, but I know some articles don't have to meet general notability guidelines such as species of animals and important lists. Would it be worth looking into these guidelines further before resubmitting these drafts? TipsyElephant (talk) 14:32, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

TipsyElephant: whether a podcast award is notable depends on whether there is a Wikipedia article about it, nothing else. You might be able to create an article about an award, by finding and citing several reliable independent published sources that discuss it at length. This is true of almost all topics. Animal and plant species, and inhabited places, are exceptions in that the standards for creating an article are lower. Maproom (talk) 17:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Umm, Maproom, I'm not sure quite what you meant to say, but it certainly wasn't that!. --ColinFine (talk) 17:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Can either of you explain why the music awards are notable while the podcast awards are not? I'm pretty sure my articles have just as much or more coverage. @Maproom: @ColinFine: TipsyElephant (talk) 18:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

No, I can't TipsyElephant, and I have tagged 2019 iHeartRadio Music Awards accordingly. It has no independent sources at all, and unless some are found, it should be deleted as non-notable. I have not interest in investigating it, so I have not looked for sources, and I have no nominated it for deletion. Your argument that "the awards are notable even without significant coverage" is wrong, by definition. See GNG. --ColinFine (talk) 21:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Unreliable Sources

I usually use sources that show up on Google News, Google Books, Newspapers, and other reliable mediums. I was curious when and how to use less reliable sources like blogs, social media posts, forums, pdf files, dictionaries, tutorial websites, and business websites. Directing me to Wikipedia guideline pages would be great or simple explanations. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:36, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi TipsyElephant! I'm not entirely sure I understand your question to the best of my ability. WP:Reliable Sources provides information on when certain sources can be used. You say "when and how", but you also say "I usually use sources" so I'm not sure if you know how to cite sources or not? WP:Proveit is a very useful gadget that you can enable in your WP:Preferences to help you cite things. Hope that helps! SnazzyInfinity (chat? • what I've done) 16:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

(ec) Welcome to the Teahouse. The general policy is given at reliable sources. Most WP:PRIMARY sources should only be used to confirm simple facts (e.g. that something happened on a given day) while WP:SECONDARY sources are much preferred. Those are the ones that review what other sources say and perhaps comment on them with some editorial independence. Note that the format (e.g. pdf) of the source is not important except that it may be easier for readers to verify. Look at some existing featured articles in areas that interest you for examples you could follow. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:47, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Renaming Page

Rename page. I want to rename 'Augusta Public Transit' to 'Augusta Transit'. I don't see the move tab on my page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusta_Public_Transit Augusta Transit (talk) 16:52, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Augusta Transit, you have added unsuitable formatting, which I have reverted. Your username is also a violation of the username policy, as it implies shared use. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 16:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

However, I have moved the article. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 16:57, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding DS/aware to my talk page for COVID

I give up. I've tried a few different guesses at topic codes, but I can't find it or figure it out.

What do I need to do to add COVID-19 to my talk page here? User talk:Jdphenix#Awareness of sanctions Jdphenix (talk) 17:15, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Jdphenix it looks like the template you're using doesn't have COVID-19 as an alert code (all the codes are listed here). I have asked at the talkpage Template talk:Ds if someone can add an alert code for COVID-19 (which could then be used to say you're aware of it). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:31, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I see you already got a response Joseph2302. I just alerted myself using the Template:Gs/alert alert template. The rules around contentious articles seem more complex than they need to be. Oh well. Thanks for the help.. Jdphenix (talk) 18:03, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Userboxes?

Hi! I was looking at some user pages and came across these little rectangular boxes. Could someone explain what these are and how to use them? Thanks! Fawnstream (talk) 17:26, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi there Fawnstream, The {{Userbox}} is a small customisable box that you can transclude to your userpage. For more info on them, see WP:Userboxes. There are thousands of userboxes, and the best way to find one that you like is through this navbox, where you can use the search function or go via category. Hope this helps! — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 17:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Berrely! Fawnstream (talk) 17:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

When's the best time to add a category?

Hi guys, I'm just about to upload my first article (woo!) but just wondered what the best time to add a category would be? Before I submit it or afterwards? Thanks in advance! Hippie Klingon (talk) 17:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Hippie Klingon. Per guidelines only articles in mainspace should be categorised. So either wait until it has been accepted and moved into mainspace or place the categories in the draft article but make sure to disable them. You can do this by adding a colon after the first brackets. [[:Category:Example]]. Zindor (talk) 17:57, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Categories for articles are not allowed in drafts because the draft would show up on the category page. You can wrap the suggested categories in Template:Draft categories to avoid this. Then it's fine to add categories at any time. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:59, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

British or American spell check in the Visual Editor

Greetings, friendly wiki-editors! I'm noticing that the visual editor keeps trying to correct the American spelling of words to British spelling. However, Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English seems to say that a given article could be in either, but each article should be consistent. What's going on? Is the Visual Editor auto-detecting what spelling each article should be and giving these suggestions for consistency, or is there a setting somewhere I should be adjusting so it gives appropriate suggestions? I couldn't find anything in the manual. I'm not sure if I should be posting here or to the visual editor maintainers, but trying here first in case I am inadvertently asking a stupid question. Benevolent human (talk) 18:14, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Benevolent human, are you 100% sure it's not your browser's dictionary? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Benevolent human, if I recall correctly, the visual editor does not have an inbuilt spell checker, and instead uses your browser's. This would mean you need to change the language in browser settings. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 18:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much! This resolved the issue. Benevolent human (talk) 18:29, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Picture Update

I would like to replace the picture with another one showing our newest buses. How can I do that? 184.95.149.120 (talk) 18:59, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

If, when logged in, you are User:Augusta Transit, then you must change your name, as it is the same as an article Augusta Transit. Second, given "our," I am guessing you are an employee of August Transit. Thus, per the rules at WP:PAID you are not allowed to edit the article directly. Instead, you must request changes on the Talk page of the article. Lastly, to your question, after you change your name and declare PAID on your User page, you may yourself take a photo of a bus, upload it to Wikipedia Commons, and then request that it be added to the article. David notMD (talk) 19:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey?

Question: I am Interested in the Contribution to the Page "WPIX". Well i only Changed to the Network's Current Callsign, so why did you send me that message? David Ass. (talk) 19:00, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Come on, how do Wikipedia Knows my name is "David Ass."? David Ass. (talk) 19:03, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Cebolitt. You'll probably get a more specific answer if you ask Mvcg66b3r directly, or raise the content issue on the talk page of the article, supported with reliables sources. It does look like your changes were good-faith so it's unclear why they were reverted as vandalism.

To stop your name from appearing, go to the preferences tab in the top right and delete your name from the signature field. Zindor (talk) 19:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Images from .gov websites

Hello, I want to upload a file for this article from inciweb.nwcg.gov, but I do not know where the website says about uploading photos to external websites. 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 20:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I can't find a copyright or licensing statement on that site, LightningComplexFire, so Wikipedia and related sites will assume it is copyright, and not allow you to upload images from it. I know that many materials published by the US Government are public domain, but it is not safe to assume they all are. See Image use policy for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 22:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

ColinFine, Well, there are some files from that site like this one, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:View_of_the_El_Dorado_Fire_from_El_Dorado_Ranch_Park_on_Saturday,_September_5,_2020.jpg and are released into public domain 🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 01:12, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

LightningComplexFile, I've told you all I know on the subject. Try WP:Copyright questions. (I suggest searching through the archives of that page, as you may find that that site has already been discussed). --ColinFine (talk) 11:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

How to add a picture

 King323232 (talk) 20:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC) Hi How do you add a picture on a page I know I'm stupid but I want to help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by King323232 (talk • contribs) 20:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

No, King323232: you are not stupid: adding images is unfortunately one of the harder things to do, mostly because of copyright. There are basically three steps: 1) determine if the copyright status of the image is suitable - most images you find on the internet are not, and you should give up there. 2) Upload the image to Wikimedia Commons, using the Upload wizard. 3) Add it to the article - its page on Commons will give you the code you need. See WP:Uploading images for the whole process. --ColinFine (talk) 22:23, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Old news

Fix your page...outdated We have a new president and vice president...let's go!

 2601:4A:C600:A210:190B:773A:3807:A39E (talk) 21:04, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

If you have a suggestion for improving an article, start a discussion on that article's talk page. Wikipedia is not a news service and does not need to be updated immediately. RudolfRed (talk) 21:27, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest Question

Hi, I'm new to the wiki community. Happy to be here! I just made an edit correcting an error related to an organization I work for but did not see a place to declare a conflict of interest. Where do I declare this? Stonestageybgf (talk) 21:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Stoneystageybgf: welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for being open about your status. COI will tell you all you need to know; but if you are editing anything related to your employer, then there are the stricter requirements in Paid editing. --ColinFine (talk) 22:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Given that your edit/correction to Marcus Shelby is supported by the ref that was already there, no biggie that you edited directly. However, going forward, PAID applies, meaning declaring on your User page and not editing articles directly, but rather on the Talk page, requesting a change to the article. David notMD (talk) 22:43, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine and David notMD, thanks for the help and clarification. I definitely want to respect the wikipedia community's conflict of interest policies. If I may ask a follow up question, there is common confusion between the organization I work for, Yerba Buena Gardens Festival , and Yerba Buena Center for the Arts , as evidenced by the Marcus Shelby correction. They are similar in name but are separate organizations. Yerba Buena Gardens Festival does not currently have an article. What is the best way to request the creation of one?Stonestageybgf (talk) 18:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

References

I am new and would like a guide.

Is their anyone willing to teach me the basics of editing? Starman237 (talk) 22:04, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Starman237, there's a lot to cover even in the basics, but if you complete The Wikipedia Adventure and still have some burning questions afterwards, we'll answer them for you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:36, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Where to ask a question

If I post something on an article's Talk page, is there any guarantee anyone will see it? How does one flag up that a question has been asked? Thanks Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 22:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC) Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 22:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Maryanne Cunningham—after initiating a discussion on an article Talk page you could then make the corresponding edit to the Article page, and in your edit summary you could mention and link to your recently initiated discussion on the Talk page. With any luck that will prompt a response. Bus stop (talk) 22:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Bus stop Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 22:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict):Hello, Maryanne Cunningham, and welcome back here. No, there is no guarantee that anybody will see it. Things you can do are:

1. Look at the history of the talk page and the article, to see how much they have been edited recently. If there is some activity on the talk page or on the article recently, it is more likely that some of the editors involved will look at it.
2. Find the usernames of some editors who have worked on the article recently, from the history, and Ping them. I use the template {{U}}, (though there are others) so I pinged you at the beginning of my answer by saying {{U|Maryanne Cunningham}}. (Note that I have entered that in a way that the displayed form shows you what you would type in the editor - don't use the 'tl' or 'tlx' that I have used.)
3. Find a relevant active WikiProject, and put a post on its talk page, linking to your post on the article talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 22:33, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine.Could you tell me why I'm not to use {{U}}? And what does (edit conflict) mean? Grateful for clarification. Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 22:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi again, Maryanne. You don't use tl or tlx because they are for quoting (and linking to) templates, not using them. You'll notice that what you wrote in your reply displays as a call to the template U, not a use of the template U. Does that make sense? As for {{ec}}: when I saved my reply, the software told me that I had an edit conflict: somebody else had already edited close to where I was editing: in fact Bus Stop's answer. At that point I had the choice of abandoning my edit, or putting it in regardless (or further editing). When I decide to go ahead with an answer in that case, I add (edit conflict) to give notice that I was already composing my answer before the other appeared, in case there is duplication between them. --ColinFine (talk) 23:00, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

: Thank you ColinFine. I'll disappear into some sandbox or other and see if I can work out the tlx bit (the (edit conflict) bit I do get). You're a star. Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 23:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Gale Storm

During the time when Gale Storm and her family lived in Houston, TX, did they ever live on Southmore Avenue? This would have most likely been during the time she was in junior or senior high school. If so, can you tell me the years she lived on this street and her address? If you don't have this information, can you tell me where I might find it? 69.115.59.188 (talk) 23:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello. This page is to ask questions about using Wikipedia; it is not a general help desk. 331dot (talk) 23:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi IP 69.115.59.188. The Wikipedia Teahouse is mainly for asking Wikipedia or Wikipedia editing: it's not really a place for asking questions like yours. Assuming that your question is about this Gale Storm, then perhaps you could try asking it at Talk:Gale Storm. Wikipedia article talk pages, however, are generally places for discussing ways to improve Wikipedia articles (e.g suggest new content be added, point out mistakes); they aren't really intended to be places for a general discussion of the subject of the article. It sound like that's type of the question you're asking which means you might have better luck asking it at Wikipedia:Reference desk. -- ~~

• 69.115.59.188—as Gale Storm was an "actress and singer", try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment. Bus stop (talk) 05:09, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Fixing table

Hello,

I am working on updating List of Jewish American politicians for Joe Biden's picks. However, under Cabinet-level positions, I have added Ron Klain, but the table is not coming out correctly. Please help.

Thank you! Pennsylvania2 (talk) 23:31, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done again, Pennsylvania2 :D. The party color was listed as 'Democrat Party (United States)' when it should have been 'Democratic Party (United States)'. Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 23:59, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Pennsylvania2 (talk) 00:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Giraffer Sorry to bother you again. Can you help with the Cabinet position table as well? Also, not formatting correctly. Thank you. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 00:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Pennsylvania2: You're missing the symbol for "new row", which is |-. You're also missing the state of residence for Avril Haines. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 00:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 02:26, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Giraffer Can I have help formatting David S. Cohen into the table on the same page? Thank you. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 18:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Well I tried it a couple of times, but show preview lied to me - when I published it it was totally different. I'll have another look a bit later. In the meantime, I would suggest reading this. Thanks, Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 22:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

How can I upload an image in my new page?

 Risery Voiple Yelty (talk) 00:12, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Risery Voiple Yelty: Head over to Commons:Special:UploadWizard. Note that generally you may only upload pictures that you own the rights to. See Wikipedia:Uploading images. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 00:51, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

See answer below to your asking the same question. David notMD (talk) 01:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

s.t

FYI

 – Ref tags removed to prevent possible technical hijinks. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

50.21.159.181 (talk) 00:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Did you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

How to make a new page?

How to make a new page in Wikipedia, and how to upload an image in it? Risery Voiple Yelty (talk) 00:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Risery Voiple Yelty: If this is about Draft:Universe, we already have an article about that. Making a new article is extremely hard to do on Wikipedia, and by your current contributions I don't think you're quite ready yet. I'd suggest you complete The Wikipedia Adventure for an introduction on how to edit. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 00:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

None of your drafts are ready to be submitted. General advice is go through the tutorial exercises, then gain experience editing existing articles before trying to create a new one. At the specific end, get an article approved through the Articles for Creation review process first, and only then consider adding an image. David notMD (talk) 01:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

New Draft sounds promotional

Hi i published >>this draft<< and it sounds promotional, any tips or suggestions on how to highlight pioneering work without sounding "promotional" or "advertising person" Raovikramnet (talk) 02:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Raovikramnet: You first have to make sure that your subject fulfills the notability guideline before writing the draft, outlined at WP:PROF. Then, you need to find sources for your draft. Wikipedia emphasizes verifiability, meaning that we want to attribute every piece of information to independent, reliable sources. Sources also help demonstrate that the subject fulfills the notability guideline to have an article written in the first place. There's a lot of preparation work involved before writing an article, so I suggest you to work on that first. As for tone, right now the only part in the draft that sounds promotional is the word "pioneered", which we consider puffery. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 03:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

I created standard sections. Up to you to add content and add references. Those have to be about him, not be him, i.e., his science journal publications do not contribute to Wikipedia's definition of notability. Normally, an academic career is not in itself notable enough. Has he won major awards in his area of research? A Nobel Prize would help. David notMD (talk) 03:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

REQUIRE HELP!!!

So I've written this article and before moving to the article space I want you guys to have a look at it and please let me know if any changes is required: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Elgi_Equipments Dankeshankar (talk) 03:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Dankeshankar. One minor thing I can see is that you've started three consecutive sentences in the lede with 'The company', so try and explore other ways of connecting and starting sentences. There's also a few cite web templates missing title parameters and one paragraph is uncited. Otherwise looks good and mainspace ready.

Outside of the article, a disambiguation hatnote at Elgi would be useful to readers. Also always be sure to provide some incoming links; i've added a wikilink to Deming Prize for instance. Regards, Zindor (talk) 10:32, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

I have no detailed knowledge of the previous concerns about paid editing, but I must advise following WP:PAID if you are financially gaining from this. IMO the current draft is a little crufty but doesn't read promotionally to an extent that concerns me. Zindor (talk) 11:12, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

In Wikipedia, there is no deadline. All of your edits in the past month have been focused on this article. My advice would be to get a little more experience in Wikipedia. You may submit the draft for review, but do not move the article to article space yourself. It already appears that you are trying to game the system in order to get that article accepted. Just leave that article alone and let it be reviewed. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:02, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

User:Dankeshankar - The draft, as currently written, is about what the company says about itself. Corporate notability is about what third parties say about the company. If you were to submit the draft for review in its current state, I would decline it as not establishing corporate notability. If you were to move it into article space, I would nominate it for deletion a second time and would request that it be create-protected, also known as salting, because you already tried to game the system once. It isn't ready for review, and it isn't ready for article space. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:19, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Inquiry on publishing rate

Hi! I want our brand to be published in Wikipedia - can you help us with the content and publishing? Our brand is Lumina Homes - a real estate company under Vista Land. Please keep in touch via my email alanray_alavarta@luminahomes.com.ph to further discuss this. Thanks Aialavarta (talk) 04:10, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Aialavarta: That's not how this works. Subjects must first fulfill the notability guideline at WP:NCORP, which asks "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject" (I found none in a brief Google search). Then, articles are written by volunteers that find the subject interesting enough to devote time and energy into it. You are strongly discouraged from creating an article yourself, as it would be considered a conflict of interest. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 04:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Aialavarta. It sounds as if you have the common misconception that Wikipedia has anything at all to do with promoting yourself or your brand: it does not, and promotion - ie., telling the world about something - is strictly forbidden. Wikipedia is only interested in subjects that the world has already been told about, and not by the people involved in them. Also note that if Wikipedia ever does have an article about your brand, the article will not belong to you, you will have no control of what it says (your involvement will be limited to suggesting edits) and it might end up saying things that you don't want said. Also, it should not contain what you want to say about your brand, but exclusively what people unconnected with you have said about your brand, good or bad. Do you see why an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing? --ColinFine (talk) 11:00, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Add a reference to an article?

I am a new contributor and just added to the logic model article. I need help adding the following reference to the page for the Progressive Outcomes Scale Logic Model.

Brown Q (2021). Racial Equity Lens Logic Model & Theory of Change: A Practical Step by Step Guide to Help Nonprofits Become More Confident in Their Ability to Demonstrate Outcomes. Farmington, MI: Independently published.ISBN-13: 979-8572721270 Humanisticcare (talk) 04:11, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Humanisticcare: See Help:Footnotes for reference formatting help. I've reverted your edits at logic model because it places undue weight on this one model. The long paragraph disproportionate places emphasis on the model, making it seem promotional. Ideally, we want to see reliable, secondary sources that review and evaluate this model; the lack of these sources is a original research issue. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 04:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

What if I shortened the paragraph?

@Humanisticcare: The problem is that your entire model is one person's theory. First look for reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject and see what they have to say about the model. Rewrite your paragraph to be more concise and incorporate those independent sources. If no such sources exist, that likely means that the model is not that noteworthy to be included in the first place. Wikipedia does not include every single theory; see WP:FRINGE for a related guideline. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 06:32, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

New page creation

I see that you have not created a page for Pyramid Spiritual Societies Movement and Brahmarishi Subash Patriji. Please create two pages for two things specified. If you need content or any information, I am here to help you. 2405:201:D003:703A:1802:3857:2DD3:279A (talk) 04:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:Requested articles. All articles are created by volunteers who find the subject interesting enough to devote time and energy into making it, so be patient if your request is not answered immediately. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 04:42, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Another Teahouse visitor

 117.98.128.44 (talk) 04:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Do you have a question about how Wikipedia operates? David notMD (talk) 10:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Complex links

Hi guys, I was wondering, how do you make a link, to another Wikipedia page, that goes to a specific point? Like when you search for something like "Llama behaviour" it will take you to that exact point in the Llama page. Thx, Scalyhawk121534 (talk) 05:01, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Scalyhawk121534, it sounds like you're talking about section linking. The general setup with wikilinking is [[Page#Section]], where clicking on the link brings you to Page and immediately to the heading Section. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:14, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Scalyhawk121534 and Tenryuu: ...and if you want to link to another language Wikipedia, use the language prefix to the link (remember the prefix itself must be prefixed with a colon). For example link [[Paris]] placed here links to enwiki article on the capital of France, and if placed at frwiki it would link to the article there. The link [[:fr:Paris]] links to the French article from each Wikipedia, and [[:fr:Paris#Histoire]] links to the section on the town's history there. --CiaPan (talk) 11:12, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

If you want a search or wikilink on "Llama behavior" to go directly to Llama#Behavior then make a redirect at Llama behavior with this code:

#REDIRECT [[Llama#Behavior]]

{{R to section}}

PrimeHunter (talk) 11:26, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for all the help! Scalyhawk121534 (talk) 17:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

How to add photos please teach me that

 GauravBharali (talk) 05:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@GauravBharali: See Help:Pictures. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 05:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Using copyrighted logo

I thought about adding the symbol that the group uses to their article at Columbine Genealogical And Historical Society. The symbol is at https://i1.wp.com/columbinegenealogy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Columbine-Logo-B-W.jpg But it's copyrighted. Is it still OK to use? Gale Peterson (talk) 05:37, 21 January 2021 (UTC) Gale Peterson (talk) 05:37, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Gale Peterson: Yes. See WP:LOGOS. Since it's a non-free work you'll have to upload locally to the English Wikipedia at Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 05:43, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: Thank you! Gale Peterson (talk) 05:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Linking to a section of another page

On the page Libertarian (Brazil), I want to link the term "new right" to the subsection 'Brazil' in the article 'New Right'. I thought all I need to do was use the syntax New Right#Brazil -- but that just gives a popup of the top of the New Right page. What am I doing wrong? TIA UClaudius (talk) 09:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

UClaudius, the syntax on the page was linked to Right-wing politics, not the New Right, so the section didn't exist and therefore it didn't jump down to it. I've fixed the link now, so it should work. Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 10:09, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

allahbad

 1.186.6.9 (talk) 10:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

The Teahouse is A friendly place where you can ask questions to get help with using and editing Wikipedia.

Do you have any questions about using or editing Wikipedia? --CiaPan (talk) 10:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

how to check a website is eligible as a reliable source?

how can I find a reliable source for a citation needed article I mean I find some of the website which talking the same thing but Wikipedia authors do not approve them as a reliable source. is there any way to check whether this website is eligible for that particular citation or a reliable source! Thanks in Advance. Tahalatif (talk) 11:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Tahalatif, and welcome to the Teahouse! We obviously can't maintain a list of all reliable sources because the world is filled with millions of books, newspapers, and websites. So, we go by certain principles, that you can read about here: Wikipedia:Reliable sources. The one you tried to use in the article Biscotti seemed to be a Wikipedia mirror (a website that copies its content from Wikipedia), and those are not considered reliable sources. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:12, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Tahalatif, a list of some of the most commonly used sources and their reliability is available at WP:RSP. If your source isn't on there, you can either try to determine yourself, or ask at WP:Reliable sources noticeboard. Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 12:14, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Tahalatif. One thing you can do when you are seeking to find a source for a particular piece of information in an article is to perform a search that tends to concentrate reliable sources. Instead of using a general Google search, for example, use Google Books or Google Scholar. Try a scholarly database like Jstor; try to find a local newspaper with archives if the subject is geographic specific; visit one of the many sources of text searchable newspaper archives I gathered together for just this purpose at Wikipedia:Free English newspaper sources; and if you have trouble with accessing a likely targeted source, e.g., you can see a blurb but the balance is behind a paywall, you can seek access at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request (WP:RX). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:08, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit: Nice collection of links! —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:29, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Change of Username

I have created a new username OliverTransit. The former username/user can be deleted 'Augusta Transit'. I also would like to replace the image on Augusta Transit's page, is that possible? Thank you. OliverTransit (talk) 13:53, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

OliverTransit Accounts cannot be deleted; you need only to never use that account again. 331dot (talk) 13:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, OliverTransit. Judging from your earlier question, it seems that you are connected with Augusta Transit. If so, you should read carefully about editing with a conflict of interest; and if you are employed or otherwise paid to do this, then you must comply with the requirements in WP:paid editing. Also, I note that Augusta Transit has been proposed for deletion as a non-notable company. You may challenge the deletion if you are reasonably certain that the company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - that is, that there are multiple reliably published sources wholly unconnected with the company which talk at length about the company. If you cannot find such sources, then please do not waste everybody's time by challenging the deletion. There is no other way in which the article could be kept. --ColinFine (talk) 14:21, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

The content of Augusta Transit appears to be near-identical to content already in Transportation in Augusta, Georgia. Given that Augusta Transit in its current form has no references and is perhaps unlikely to gain any, perhaps better to let it get deleted and work to improve the Transportation article, which has no images for any form of transit. Again, you taking photos yourself and adding to Commons far easier than using any existing website photos because of copyright issues. David notMD (talk) 14:52, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Wanted to prevent linkrot - Internet Archive bot says I'm blocked

Greetings fellow teatotalers,

so I've wanted to use the "fix dead links" option once again to pro-actively prevent linkrot in a draft I've been working on, but once I clicked "analyze page" on the Internet Archive bot site, it gives an error and declares that

Analysis error:
blocked: You have been blocked from editing.

Why is that happening? I am not aware of being blocked - is that just an error with the bot? I'd really like to continue using that feature. -- LordPeterII (talk) 14:42, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

 Sampalavi (talk) 14:49, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@LordPeterII: I'm not necessarily sure why this is happening to some users; it's happened to me twice now, too. Don't worry, you aren't blocked. This issue will simply fix itself eventually, estimated to be about a day. Panini^🥪 18:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Panini!, I suspected such. I'll heed your advice and just wait a day or two, links likely aren't gonna rot that fast ^^ --LordPeterII (talk) 18:51, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, if they brush their teeth they won't. Panini^🥪 20:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

How to create an article or page about my brands and businesses on Wikipedia ?

How to create an article or page about our brands and businesses on Wikipedia ? 93.117.176.34 (talk) 14:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

You need independent editors to do this, if your business meets the notability criteria. Regards --Devokewater (talk) 15:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

And please understand that Wikipedia is not for promotion. If Wikipedia ends up with an article about your brand, the article will not belong to you, you will not control its content (your involvement will be limited to requesting or suggesting changes), it will be based on what people unconnected with you have published about your brand, not on what you say or want to say, and it might contain material you don't want there. An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 15:46, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Sportradar

Can some experienced editors have a look at Sportradar at the moment it appears to be advertising, there is a lot of irrelevant information that should be removed. Regards --Devokewater (talk) 15:01, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Devokewater, I see you tagged it, and Theroadislong seems to be clearing it up. Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 15:14, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

question about rejection

Robert McClenon (Wikipedia) has left the reason about the rejection that there is the ambiguation with the leninist usage. There is no ambiguation in our article since “Dual Power” means AC and DC voltages in one system so that the subject might be Dual Power (AC and DC Voltages) in which the disambiguation is in AC and DC voltages.

The Dual Power Concept is developed by TREC team and all of our member do not have the significance in any conflict of interest since our intention is to spread a knowledge and introduce a new knowledge in electrical. How can we disclosure that there is no conflict of interest in our article.

Would this article still be considered to be published? Dailogian (talk) 15:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

 2601:187:4500:24E0:1CF6:ED91:71F4:D1B3 (talk) 15:06, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Dual Power ~~<~

You say you want to "introduce a new knowledge in electrical". In Wikipedia that is original research, which is not allowed. Any article needs to be based an WP:SECONDARY reliable sources, which for this topic means peer-review articles in scientific journals or significant coverage in places unconnected with the authors of the work. As the declining editor said, this seems unlikely at present. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

You are misreading Robert McClenon's comments, Dailogian. His comment about another meaning of the phrase was the only one of his comments that was not a reason for rejecting the draft. Forget that one, and look at the reasons above it: your draft is a pure piece of advertising, and completely inappropriate to Wikipedia. Please see the replies to #How to create an article or page about my brands and businesses on Wikipedia ? two sections above. --ColinFine (talk) 15:53, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, User:ColinFine.

User:Dailogian - Has any reliable source, such as a technology journal or the technology section of a newspaper, published a description of your power grid concept? If so, please orient the draft to what was already published. If not, try to get an article published. Wikipedia is not a trade publication. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

How do you find vandalism?

By meaning, I don't want to participate in vandalism. I want to find it so I can report it. SoyokoAnis 15:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC) SoyokoAnis 15:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Obvious vandalism is often caught by bots but there is also a team of users who especially look out for it. See WP:CUV for details and how to join them Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:53, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello SoyokoAnis, and thanks for your interest in counter-vandalism! You'll want to familiarize yourself with WP:Vandalism, and WP:What Is Not Vandalism. After you've read those, the easiest way to get started is to enable Twinkle on your account, and head over to Special:RecentChanges. That is a list of all the changes being made to Wikipedia. Because most changes are good, I'd recommend using a filter to filter for edits that aren't constructive. Here's one I use. When edits pop up, click on the diff icon to view the edit. If it's vandalism, you can hit 'rollback', and type 'rv vandalism' as the edit summary. Then, wait for the user's talk page to load, where you can warn them using the dropdown menu on the right of the screen.

Counter-vandalism can seem difficult at first, so I'd recommend signing up for the Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy, where you can learn how to revert vandalism correctly and efficiently. Regards, Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 15:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

como edito

(added section break Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:52, 21 January 2021 (UTC))

como edito 200.8.31.88 (talk) 15:49, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Es posible que desee ir a https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Portada —valereee (talk) 19:45, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Admins opinion on Notability

 Courtesy link: Draft:TheDadLab

Hello, I am creating a page for a person who has over 5 million followers across the social media. He is also an author of an international best-seller book. I understand that the number of followers don't matter, but I firmly believe he is notable! I had to remove many references and content because of social media sources, but many big brands like Google, LEGO, Amazon, Netflix, etc. have worked with him. He had been a special guest on News channels. And much more.

He is basically a teacher, and no average teacher has 5 million followers. The big sites haven't published about him yet, but why is this a mandatory requirement? I read that "common sense" is to be followed on Wikipedia when needed, so is there any admin that believes the guy is notable? Just asking for help :)

Also, can anyone help to improve the draft better? Callmejones (talk) 16:11, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Admins are not the final word on notability or other content disputes. That said, subscriber numbers are easily gamed (is it one person with 5 million accounts? 10 with 500,000 each?) and don't necessarily mean anything(maybe the 5 million signed up but don't watch regularly). Wikipedia is not just a collection of information, but an encyclopedia with certain standards to be included. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources say. There may be other websites with less stringent requirements for inclusion. 331dot (talk) 16:21, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

It has been declined once, you and others have done work to improve it, including removing refs the reviewer criticized, and it has been resubmitted. You can continue to work on it while waiting for a review. P.S. Teahouse hosts are question answerers, but not necessarily reviewers or Administrators. David notMD (talk) 16:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Notability is determined by policy, not opinions (not even admins opinions). Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

To Delete or not to Delete???

My contribution was flagged for deletion because it had no citations. I added one two days ago. Then the title appeared without the word, "Draft." This morning the word, "Draft" reappeared. Am I still subject to deletion? How do I get rid of the "Draft" label? Ggae1885 (talk) 17:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Ggae1885, no, it is not. What happened is that the page you created was moved from articlespace (also known as mainspace, where articles are), to draftspace, where articles are drafted. This is called draftifying, and it happens usually as a result of a deletion discussion. The article was draftified because while it was notable enough to remain on Wikipedia, it wasn't of a high enough quality to remain an article. Your draft will not be deleted unless it is not edited for a period of 6 months, after which it will be deleted for maintenance purposes. To get your draft back into mainspace (and to remove the Draft label), address the concerns issued by the banner at the top of the page by adding more citations to reliable sources. When you have finished, you can submit the draft for review where it will be checked by another editor, and if they think it is ready, it will get moved back to mainspace. Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 17:27, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

User page

How to use the user page...?. How to block others from editing our or my user page? Can it be used as practice place or demo area for editing in Wikipedia like table creating, infobox uses etc.? Shall upload my photo there? Is it safe? Can I have more than one account in Wikipedia.?. Does Wikipedia provide information about annonymous editors to the respective government on demand? Does the reliability of the indian caste related articles are believable? Impulse king (talk) 17:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Impulse king, here are some answers to your questions

1. Your userpage is a place to write a bit about your activities on Wikipedia, i.e. what you do, maybe how long you've been here.
2. In theory, anyone is free to edit anyone else's userpage, but generally people won't unless you give them permission to. If your userpage is being vandalized, you can request protection.
3. and 4. It's up to you, but I would err on the side of caution and say not to. Any image you put on your userpage is now on the internet and can be used by anyone for any purpose. It's much harder to remove all traces of personal info from Wikipedia than it is to not add it in the first place.
4. No, you cannot, unless you explicitly declare that the second account is yours. Operating more than one account without disclosing the names is known as socking, and is strictly forbidden.
5. As far as I know, Wikipedia does not provide information to governments, unless in emergencies where it is needed to secure someone's safety.
6. I'm sorry, I don't know the reliability of the articles related to the Indian Caste, but we have a lot of editors dedicated to editing about India, so I would presume they are reliable.

Regards, Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 17:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Impulse king: (edit conflict)

1. There is no definite answer for how to use the userpage, as long as it stays in line with the policy.
2. Normally, experienced users don't edit userpages unless they have a good reason. Inexperienced users are stopped by an edit filter. In case that filter is insufficient to prevent vandalism, as it is often the case with high-profile admins, the page might be protected like any other page.
3. AFAIK there is no definitive rule against it, but I would keep such things in a subpage, as your userpage is often the first thing other's see when clicking on a link in your signature, and it isn't exactly good if they need to sort through a code mess.
4. In general, you can insert a photo there, howeever, please be advised that Wikipedia is not a social network like Facebook or LinkedIn. Also, while user pages are not indexed by search engines by default (at least if they are well behaved), they are still publicitely accessable if you know where to look for it. As a general rule, don't put anything there you want to be viewable by the entire population of the earth.
5. You can have more than one account, however, there are limitations, see WP:BADSOCK for the rules.
6. Wikipedia can, in some cases, be required by law to share certain Information (mainly the IP adress and user agent) with law enforcement entities such as courts, in case of pending investigations. More info on that is in the privacy policy.
7. Indian caste is not my area of expertise, maybe someone else of the folks here can answer that. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

I believe that User:Sitush has put in a good deal of effort monitoring and emending caste articles. Perhaps the OP could get some idea of their reliability by posting to his talk page. Deor (talk) 18:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Deor, that's true although i believe Sitush is understandably taking a break from caste-related articles at the moment. The India noticeboard is probably the best place to post. Kind regards, Zindor (talk) 20:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Impulse king,
5. See also WP:VALIDALT. ... oh, it’s on the same page as BADSOCK.
6. In addition to the privacy policy, have a look at the transparency report for Jan-Jun 2020.
Pelagic ( messages ) – (10:28 Fri 22, AEDT) 23:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

uploading an image

When I click on Insert Images & Media, there are no items listed in the search tab. When I click on the Upload tab it says "you do not have permission to upload this image" But what image is it referring to? There's nothing listed? Somapsyche (talk) 17:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Somapsyche: Please answer below (you can edit this section by clicing the "edit" link in the header):

1. What image are you trying to insert
2. Where is that image located (on your computer, do you have a URL...)
3. do you know the copyright satus of the image

These answers will help us to help you more specifically. (Note to others: they appear to be using the visual editor) Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:51, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

That's the problem, it won't let me choose an image, just says I don't have permission without specifying for what? The image I would insert if I could figure out how is on this webpage: https://lightcone.org/en/filmmaker-2645-francis-thompson

But I also saved it to my computer so could upload just the image. I am in touch with the website's owners and they do not know who made the image but have given permission to use it on this Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Thompson_(film_director) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Somapsyche (talk • contribs) 19:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

I am afraid we likely cannot accpet the image then. If the website owners aren't the creator of the image, they also cannot grant you or Wikipedia the permission to use the image. The aparent subject died in 2003, and wasn't exactly young when the image was taken, so the image is not Public Domain. Therefore, the only chance to upload the image would be to upload it under fair use to the english Wikipedia. I am not an expert when it comes to clearly unfree images with unknown authors though, perhaps someone of the other teahouse hosts could answer that. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I was able to upload it to the page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Somapsyche (talk • contribs) 23:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Somapsyche. I think the image you've uploaded is probably OK since Wikipedia generally allows non-free images of deceased persons to be used for primary identification purposes per item 10 of Wikipedia:Non-free content#Images as long as it's reasonable to believe there are no free equivalents which can be created or found that can serve the same purpose as a non-free one. However, there's some other things about Wikipedia that you might not understand and that has to do with Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth.

Since you have stated you're a personal friend of Francis Thompson in one of your edit summaries, you probably shouldn't be trying to directly edit the article yourself; instead, you should follow the advice given in Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide#Steps for engagement and seek assistance from others via Wikipedia:Edit requests on the article's talk page. Pretty much all of the content you recently added to the article is not supported by any citations to reliable sources which is not in accordance with Wikipedia:Verifiability. While I'm sure the information you added is true and your intentions were only the best, Wikipedia requires that article content be verifiable and not be based simply on one's personal knowledge of the subject matter (i.e. what Wikipedia refers to as Wikipedia:No original research). So, if you are aware of any reliable sources (as defined by Wikipedia) which can be used to support the content you added, then please post about them at Talk:Francis Thompson (film director) so that they can be assessed and added to the article if they're OK to use. Any content not supported by a citation to a reliable source can be removed at any time, and this is particularly the case with respect to quoted text or claims of awards, etc.

Anyway, I've added some more information about this to your user talk page, so please take a look at it, and if you have any questions about it, please feel free to ask them below or on our user talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:33, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

More Citations

I just added two more citations and have many more to add. Do I now qualify to be editing the real thing? Ggae1885 (talk) 18:46, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

are you asking about Draft:Rita Asfour? My advice is improve it as much as possible, then submit it for review rather than moving it to mainspace by yourself. The current version is no where near ready for review yet. David notMD (talk) 19:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Ggae1885 only one of those citations (the pbs short documentary) can be counted toward proving notability; you need probably two more like that -- stories about Ms. Asfour -- or you can show notability of an artist a couple other ways. I've left more info on your user talk. —valereee (talk) 19:37, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Roger Huntman

Why is there no reference for American author and game designer Roger Huntman, with nearly 100 published credits to his name and fellow associate of Dave Arneson.

yet we have british Roger Huntman, with only a single credit mentioned. 98.146.240.246 (talk) 19:25, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

The number of "credits" is not relevant to their inclusion in Wikipedia. Please see WP:Notability (people).--Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Roger Huntman does not seem to exist. —valereee (talk) 19:42, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

General Foods stock symbol

Does anyone know what General Foods stock symbol was before Philip Morris bought it in 1985? 130.76.24.28 (talk) 19:48, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

You might try Wikipedia:Reference desk S Philbrick(Talk) 21:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Changing the name of a page

Hi!I'm a very new Wikipedia editor/writer who is only doing this in order to help an artist who is having a frustrating time updating her page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quanteisha

I think I've submitted the correct way to have an article name changed (from Quanteisha to Q-Benjamin) but I'm not actually sure if I have. Any suggestions? Or, for that matter, anybody want to help? Charleymeadows (talk) 19:58, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

You actually changed a line within the commented part of the code, which had no effect on the page itself. You should have copied that line into an appropriate place and changed it their as is advised in the comment. Ruslik_Zero 20:25, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

In addition you should provide a better explanation for the requested move. Ruslik_Zero 20:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Charleymeadows. If you are editing an article on behalf of the subject, then you have a conflict of interest, and should not be editing the article directly. Please understand that the article does not belong to the subject, and is not controlled by the subject. You are welcome to make edit requests (see that link for details) on the article's talk page, citing reliable published sources for any information you wish to add or substitute, and an uninvolved editor will look at your request and decide what to do. Note that Wikipedia articles are neutrally written summaries of what independent commentators have published about the subject, and what the subject says or wants to say has no place in them unless it has been written about by somebody unconnected. At present the article is woefully short of substantial, independent sources (and I have just tagged it appropriately) - though she does appear to meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, as a Juno winner,. --ColinFine (talk) 23:15, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I guess it is on her behalf, though it's for factual reasons and I'm in no way affiliated with her - her name is now actually Q-Benjamin, not Quanteisha, as shown by her Spotify https://open.spotify.com/artist/7jmhGlSQ51cfFoA79NT3Xc I will happily, HAPPILY not even attempt to do anything on Wikipedia again if someone could make the one change.

(UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charleymeadows (talk • contribs)

The trouble is, Charleymeadows, that I don't see a single source other than Facebook and Linkedin, that mentions "Q Benjamin": everything I have found refers to Quanteisha, and Wikipedia records what reliable sources say, not what people say on Facebook. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a news source or promotional platform: it is here for the long haul, and cares much more whether its information is reliably sourced (so that readers can in principle go and check it) than whether it is completely up to date. I appreciate that your friend wants to change her stage name; but she cannot do this via Wikipedia: she needs somebody else to take notice in a publication before Wikipedia will. --ColinFine (talk) 01:09, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Existieron las enfermedades mentales hace 3000 años?

 181.62.54.5 (talk) 20:15, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

La Wikipedia en español es aquí. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Knowledge questions can be asked at the reference desk. Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:45, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Account deletion

How to delete my old account which was banned from editing indefinitely? ( Please don't ask account name or reason).. Impulse king (talk) 20:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Impulse king, accounts can't be deleted because the edits they made have to be attributed to something. I suggest opening an unblock request from your blocked account (which presumably still has its own user talk page access), as this situation sounds like an improper use of multiple accounts. This account is possibly going to be blocked as a sock. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:42, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Impulse king:(edit conflict) accounts cannot be deleted because of the license Wikipedia content is under. If your old acocunt was banned, YOU MUST return there and appeal the block. Blocks are per person, not per account. Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Chci se stát členem

Ráda bych se stala jednou z vás jak na to? 2A02:8309:1085:3700:2848:E881:A77A:1E61 (talk) 21:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@2A02:8309:1085:3700:2848:E881:A77A:1E61: Dobrý den 2A02: 8309: 1085: 3700: 2848: E881: A77A: 1E61, můžete začít. Na WP: Task Center můžete získat nápady, jak vylepšit Wikipedii. Možná je česká Wikipedia něco pro vás? Victor Schmidt (talk) 21:51, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

user page

Hi! How do I add the little colorful rectangles that express affiliation with various groups/ideologies? ex. this user speaks Spanish, this user is rationalist, etc. Hoyboy 1 (talk) 21:27, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Hoyboy 1. It sounds like you're asking about WP:USERBOXES. Click on the blue link in the previous sentence and it will take you to a page telling you all about them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:41, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Please will someone change (or help me to change) the title of "Guild of Entrepreneurs" to "Company of Entrepreneurs"?

Well, that's it really. The Guild of Entrepreneurs became the Company of Entrepreneurs on 20th October 2020.

YamamotoEditor YamamotoEditor (talk) 21:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Done Johnbod (talk) 21:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

How do I get someone to stop adding the same unsourced piece of text to a page?

Hello, I noticed that User talk:174.45.44.195 was adding unsourced info to List of the youngest state legislators in the United States. It is a paragraph about Braxton Mitchell, who appears to be real, but I looked for a source for what he was saying about him, like "involved in Turning Point USA, and having deep connections within the Republican Party", and I found nothing. I found the templates for vandalism & disruptive editing messages, and so I posted these to his talk page, but no one answered. Anyway, he just did it again, about 17 hours ago, and I reverted it again. How can I talk to this editor about these changes when he doesn't respond? And how can I get him to stop disrupting that article? Thank you. Benicio2020 (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Benicio2020. You kind of do exactly what you've done so far per WP:BLPSOURCES except that you might want to follow up by starting a discussion about this on the article's talk page about this and inviting the other editor to participate. Sometimes disagreements like this can be better resolved through actual discussion instead of simply adding a user warning template to the other editor's user talk page. New editors (particularly IP editors) sometimes aren't looking at their user talk page, and spend all their time focusing on the article(s) they want to edit. Maybe by explaining to them what you mean by "no sources" in your edit summaries and why providing sources for article content is important per WP:V on the article's talk page, the IP editor will gain a better understanding as to why the content they're adding is being removed. One thing you have to be careful of is edit warring even if your intentions are the best. Repeatedly removing content such as this is probably OK per item 7 of WP:3RRNO, but at some point it probably would be wiser to seek administrator assistance at a place like WP:AN3 and let an administrator deal with the matter. You can be as polite and nice as possible in trying to explain things per WP:AGF and WP:BITE, but you can't force someone to discuss things if they don't want to; so, at some point WP:PACT kicks in and its best to seek administrator assistance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:06, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly. I tried a different approach. If you have 30 seconds, can you look at User talk:174.45.44.195 and let me know if this is the approach you meant? Thank you. Benicio2020 (talk) 22:37, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

That seems fine and there's not much more anyone could expect you to do. If the IP editor continues on as before, you can (1) seek assistance at WP:AN3 or (2) make a request for page protection at WP:RPP. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

answering question

This article is based on a published journal. I hope it could be taken into consideration. Title  : Performance Test of 2.5 kW DC Boost Converter for Nanogrid System Applications link  : https://ijtech.eng.ui.ac.id/article/view/2429 Source : Andreas, J., Setiawan, E.A., Halim, S., Atar, M., Shabrina, H.N., 2018. Performance Test of 2.5 kW DC Boost Converter for Nanogrid System Applications. International Journal of Technology. Volume 9(6), pp. 1285-1294 Dailogian (talk) 22:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Dailogian, I assume you intended to post this at Draft talk:Dual Power, and not here? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

There are so many things wrong with Draft:Dual Power that adding one ref will not redeem it. Respond to all the comments first. David notMD (talk) 00:26, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

how to Submit an article for publication

 Courtesy link: Draft:Saadé Family

Hello, I am glad to have been invited to the teahouse. I was wondering how I should proceed in order to submit the draft article for publication. Many thanks for your help. David196312 (talk) 23:06, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, David196312, and welcome here. I have added a header with a button that allows you to submit it for review. --ColinFine (talk) 23:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Idea?

Maybe we can get people/bots to check all pages and fix every error like I did at Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Movie. Dutch Shoe (talk) 23:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Dutch Shoe. Yes, that would be wonderful. Thank you for your edits. Do you have any questions relating to Wikipedia? Zindor (talk) 23:25, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Zindor, no, I don’t have any questions relating to Wikipedia. Dutch Shoe (talk) 23:27, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Advocacy program on wikipedia page

Hi, I've been wondering if I can make a page about the advocacy we have here in our community. It is been active since 2016 and already recognized by some organizations even media outlets. I want everyone to know about this advocacy since it already reached 9 communities. Thank you! Shin default (talk) 23:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Shin default: You first have to check if the subject fulfills our notability guideline at WP:NORG. The most important part of notability is that your organization must be "subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject". Also, since you're affiliated with the organization, please also read the conflict of interest guideline, since it would be difficult for you to stay neutral when writing. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 00:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

The other thing to note, Shin default, is that "I want everyone to know about" is called promotion, and is not allowed in Wikipedia. If we ever have an article about your group, the aarticle will not belong to you, you will have no control over its content, and it should be almost entirely based not on what you say or want to say, but on what people who have no connection with your group have chosen to publish about it. --ColinFine (talk) 00:55, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Article Submission Feedback Denial Question for Draft:Raise3D

 Courtesy link: Draft:Raise3D

Hello, I recently received denial for a page I submitted. In the feedback I was told that my version sounded like an advertisement and there was some question to my sources. I would like to try to address any issues, but I just don't fully understand how my initial submission did not comply to Wikipedia rules.

When I asked the reviewer for additional explanation to help me understand his feedback, he said it was too product-focused and he referred me here to learn more about why my draft did not comply.

Just so you can understand my logic, I thought I was remaining neutral by simply listing facts about the products I mentioned in the draft. The sources I used were independent and relevant to the 3D printing industry, which I thought complied with Wikipedia's rules. I am not entirely sure where I went wrong.

Any additional feedback you could provide would be most helpful.

Thank you! Harley.quintana Harley.quintana (talk) 23:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Harley.quintana: I agree that it reads like a sales catalog, which is not what Wikipedia is used for. Instead, we just want a summary of the company and what they make. We don't need the list of products, specs table, or the certifications. Move all that history stuff in the lead into the history section. Don't list every branch of the company, but just say "X has offices in Y and Z". There's also quite a bit of improvements that should be made to the writing itself, including grammar and flow. Wikipedia should not be used for promotion, so try to make your draft read less like an ad and more like an encyclopedia entry. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 00:41, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Troop 508

I just wanted to say that I am A scout who is part of troop 508 and I was asked to make this article because it was a place for people to learn more about the troop and I had every parents permission to use there kids name and picture in the article so can it please be published Fwishing (talk) 00:14, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Fwishing, welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia only contains articles on notable topics; often evidenced by coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. It is not a place to host information about un-notable local scout troops. Furthermore we have policies in place to safeguard the privacy of individuals, WP:LPNAME being particularly relevant here. There is zero chance of the AfC decision being reversed and the article being published. Zindor (talk) 00:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Fwishing. I appreciate that you are keen to have your troop visible on the internet for people who might be looking, but I'm afraid that Wikipedia is just compeletely the wrong place to do this. I suggest you show your leaders What Wikipedia is not, and have a look at Alternative outlets. Groups often use Facebook for this purpose. --ColinFine (talk) 01:15, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Dear Editors/Admins.

Dear Editors/Admins, Hope you and your family are safe and doing good. I am a new editor and a quick learner so I wanted to ask that can i create new articles for schools in kashmir, i have noticed that there are many major famous private schools which aren’t available on wikipedia. I have seen many school articles without any references, so i wanted to clear my doubt on how does the articles on schools work? Extremely sorry if i am asking a silly question but I don’t want to make mistakes again like i did in the past by giving incorrect references or other typing mistakes, that’s why i want to be confirm on this. And after creating the draft should i submit them to Articles for creation process or just move it to the mainspace by myself? Also after i create a draft where should i post it so that other editors can look at it and improve so that it looks good?. Thanks. Have a good day/night ahead.Hums4r.(Talk to me here) 00:29, 22 January 2021 (UTC) Hums4r.(Talk to me here) 00:29, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Hums4r. You might want to ask about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools since that's where you're likely going to find editors who are familiar with school-related articles. You might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools since those pages also contain information you may find helpful. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:41, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Hums4r—sorry that it seems that you are not getting any help, as I am the one who referred you here to the Teahouse. If no one else weighs in with other suggestions, I would consider weighing in at Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools, as has been suggested. Also, I think that you should try to make more clear what you are trying to do. Let me offer this suggestion: try to pick one school in Kashmir that you think has substantial sourcing. Pick a school that is clearly well-known and likely to have some references. It is hard to write an article if you have no sources, as that would just be original research. You will learn a lot from trying to write that article, and you will probably interact with other editors; they will provide feedback. Don't be discouraged. Bus stop (talk) 04:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Bus stopHi sir, Kindly don't say this. You're experienced to me on wikipedia and hence you're like my mentor, it's my work to go to the correct discussions, you did your correct job by asking me to post here. i appreciate your time and efforts and humbleness. i will do as you suggested. thanks very much. Hums4r.(Talk to me here) 04:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

image size for radio station infobox

I was wondering if there is a standard image size for radio station logos in the infobox. I have seen some IP user edits where the image size seems much too large, and there seems to be some disagreement between editors on this. Please help!! Box76 (talk) 00:37, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@Box76: It depends on what the logo looks like. Most logos are considered non-free content, which should be in a low resolution and only used for identification purposes. However, there's also Wikipedia:Logos#Copyright-free logos, which are not subject to these rules. Could you provide a link to the logo for us to check? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 00:44, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi {[u|Box76}}. Most infobox templates, I believe, are set up to automatically size an image to what's best for most readers, but there may be more specific information on the infobox template's documentation page. There is some general information about infobox images in WP:IBI, but you could try also asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio stations to see if its members have a specific guidance. The important thing when it comes to images is to remember that not everyone uses the same type or device to read a Wikipedia article, so image size shouldn't be catered to just one particular user or group of users. Consideration should be given to the things discussed in MOS:ACCIM to make the content as accessible to all readers as much as possible. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

How to make my page into public space?

I already have ready to publicized article, but I do not know how to make it into the public to see? Shin default (talk) 01:20, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@Shin default: You've already submitted it for review. A reviewer will eventually get to it in the backlog. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:31, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Shin default. I have deleted the draft as a blatant copyright violation. I will leave a detailed message about this at your talk page.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Publishing a notable event yet still getting rejected

 Courtesy link: Draft:The Porter (film)

Hi there, I'm hoping for some help publishing a new page on a notable event. I've included various sources, including to CNN and other major publications, yet am still having trouble publishing the page. Would love some help on source outlines and how best to show that it's a notable event. There's almost 9 pages of google results on it!

Grateful for any tips and hints.

Sincerely, Nate M. Njm3ka (talk) 01:43, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

The best thing is probably to start the article in your sandbox. That's what I did with my first article. Then when you think it's ready you can ask here for someone experienced to look it over and see if it looks ready for main space. You should see a sandbox link at the very top of the page to the right of your name. Gale Peterson (talk) 02:01, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

I goofed and missed the link you made to it. Sorry about that. Somebody else who's more experienced than me will need to check it out! Gale Peterson (talk) 02:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Kim Hyun Joong lawsuits

Pragraph removal - 2nd para under Paternity Case

Paternity case

In February 2015, a magazine reported that Kim and Choi had reunited, and that Choi was pregnant. Kim stated via a press release that he had not seen Choi since she told him that she was pregnant in January, and could not confirm if he was the father.[104]

[ From here ** ==== In May, Choi filed a lawsuit against Kim for 1.48 million USD for mental distress caused by her relationship with him, and claimed that his abuse had caused her to miscarry a previous pregnancy in 2014.[105][106] Kim later filed and won a 100 million KRW counter-suit against Choi for defamation, with the court ruling that there was circumstantial evidence that she was not pregnant in 2014.[107] Her lawsuit was dismissed, and she appealed the decision.[80]'Bold text' ==== ] should be moved

• • This paragraph should be below under 'Criminal case' against Ms Choi. In the the court hearing, it was proved she did not have a miscarriage. This is not the pregnancy that produced the child of Kim Hyun Joong. That real pregnancy happened when she followed KHJ to Jeju and ....

In December 2015, a paternity test revealed that Kim was the father of a baby that Choi had given birth to in September of that year.[106][108] Creativecaz63 (talk) 02:15, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@Creativecaz63: I gather you are referring to Kim_Hyun-joong#Paternity_case. I'm not familiar with the circumstances of this, but you can always try editing boldly, and if you are reverted, go to the talk page and start a discussion there. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

How to get started

I joined Wikipedia about a month ago, however, I don’t know exactly where to start. Is editing the sandbox a good place to start? 54nd60x (talk) 03:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@54nd60x: The sandbox is just a place to make test edits. For beginners, I suggest going to The Wikipedia Adventure, where you can get a crash course on how to edit. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 03:55, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

New page or add to disambig.?

Tabai is a surname that three people who have Wikipedia articles have, therefore it should have a disambiguation page. However, Tabai already exists. Should I create a new page, Tabai (surname), or add the three people to the already-existing disambiguation page? 777burger ^{talk contribs} 04:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@777burger: Three is pretty little: MOS:DABNAME suggests separate pages be made for 12 or more. I'd just put them at Tabai under a "People" header. Tabai (surname) should redirect to that section. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 04:38, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Editing a semi protected page

Editing a semi protected page Hi, This is Rohit from Visakhapatnam India. Actually I'd like to update information about my city, so that everyone comes to know what all developments are taking place in my city. But the page of my city looks semi protected and I'm unable to edit it. Please help me in editing it. Suggestions are also welcomed. Thank you so much. Garimellarohitkumar97 (talk) 04:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@Garimellarohitkumar97: Welcome to the Teahouse. You can submit edit requests on the article's talk page (Talk:Visakhapatnam). Just make sure you are specific about what you want to add, where you want to add it, and which reliable source you got it from. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:41, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Garimellarohitkumar97: You should make an edit request. There's a button to make one when you click "view source" at the top of the page. Be sure to make your request clear in a "change X to Y" or "add X after Y" and provide reliable sources to all of your claims. Also keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a guidebook. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 04:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

How to use section links

Hi guys, I was wondering how to make section links in visual editing, instead of source editing. Is it possible? Or do you have to do it in source editing? If you have to do it in source editing, please show me how. #sectionlinks Thx, Scalyhawk121534 (talk) 04:56, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@Scalyhawk121534: Welcome to the Teahouse. The general information for section linking (in source) is at Help:Section#Section linking, but it can be done in visual editor. It would involve selecting the linked text, clicking on the Edit button in the top-right corner of the small tooltip that pops out, and adding #Section name after the page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:00, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Making your user page more interesting

Hi guys, I was wondering how you can make you user page more creative i guess you could say, like all of the other more active users have like a counter for how many edits, or like a fancy box that shows what languages they speak, y'know that sort of thing. Like one of the leaders here set the tea house (something like garunubaby) has special boxes. I just would like to know how to do that sort of thing. Thx, Scalyhawk121534 (talk) 05:02, 22 January 2021 (UTC)