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Edit Request 21 Oct 2012

The article currently states "On September 18, 2012, Bioware announced that it's Co-founders, Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuck, had officially retired and left Bioware to pursue other goals.[185] An Ex-Bioware Developer claimed that the negative fan feedback of Mass Effect 3's ending and Star Wars: The Old Republic were responsible for their retirement"

I believe its worth mentioning on September 28th, Dr. Ray Muzika stated on his twitter the following "I respect/revere fans, because they speak with deep, honest passion. Journalists speculating on ill-founded rumors should reassess approach. Good websites demand clarity and credibility – lesser ones enable ill-informed individuals to make stuff up about other people" in response to the comments made by said Ex-bioware Developer. Leading people to believe the comment about the reason for their retirement being fan backlash to be nothing more than unfounded gossip.

His tweet can be found https://twitter.com/RayMuzyka/status/251808651671642113

As well as an article by Cinema Blend. http://www.cinemablend.com/games/BioWare-Co-Founder-Ray-Muzyka-Defends-Passionate-Fans-Blasts-Gaming-Journalists-47573.html

I believe adding Dr. Muzyca's reply to a comment that spoke for him is an important addition to the controversy section of the Mass Effect 3 entry.

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Feedback is welcome

Hi Everyone,

For the past few months, I have been working on improving this article. As far as I can tell, the only section that still needs significant expansion is Reception, which I plan on tackling this weekend. However, all feedback is welcome. If anyone is willing to review the article and provide some informal takeaways, I would really appreciate it. Hopefully, we are close to a GA nomination. Thanks for your help!--Ktmartell (talk) 15:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: AdrianGamer (talk · contribs) 14:58, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]


  • where civilization is invaded by a highly advanced machine race of synthetic-organic starships - would be great if the name of these starships is given.
  • such as third-person shooter combat with an emphasis on cover - I would rephrase it to "such as cover-based third-person shooter gameplay.
  • For example, the Adept class is proficient in mental powers - mental power? What is that? Telekinesis?
  • Overall, role-playing elements in Mass Effect 3 are more intricate than those in Mass Effect 2 & While the weapon and power systems in Mass Effect 3 work similarly to those in Mass Effect 2 - The gameplay section should be self-contained and you shouldn't expect readers to know what happen in ME2. That mean you shouldn't draw comparison with it.
  • The gameplay section is very neat. Nice job.
  • Karpyshyn departed from the series after Mass Effect 2 to work on Star Wars: The Old Republic - not exactly related to this game.
  • Other major packs include From Ashes, which adds a new squad member named Javik - Should highlight that Javik is a Prothean.
  • Omega, which involves retaking the space station with Aria T'Loak - who is she?
  • Too much quotes in the reception section. They need to be paraphased.
  • GameFocus felt that the voice work and visuals in Mass Effect 3 represented some of the best in the industry - GameFocus is not a reliable source.
  • Source 7, 8, 13, 15, 24, 27, 28, 38, 68, 75, 82, 88, 90, 95, 100, 104, 106, 108, 151, 162, 165, 166 are unreliable/not recognized as eliable sources.

The reception section needs a lot of work and all the sources mentioned need to be replaced, but the article as a whole is in great shape. AdrianGamer (talk) 14:22, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First off, I want to thank you for taking the time to review the article. I really appreciate your feedback and think it has significantly improved the piece. For the most part, I changed everything that you recommended. Here are a few comments:
  • In my humble opinion, I think it is useful to know that someone of Karpyshyn's stature left the series and did not contribute to ME3. Unless you have a strong objection, could I leave that line in?
  • I tried to paraphrase the quotes in Reception as best I could. The only quotes left are single words that I feel are important in their phrasing. Please let me know if you still feel that the section needs an overhaul.
If you notice that anything else needs changing, I will try to knock it out tomorrow or Monday. If we go over seven days, could I get an extension? I feel like we are on the goal line and would hate to fail the article before we run in for a touch down.--Ktmartell (talk) 20:29, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. I won't fail a GA nomination as long as someone is working on it. Feel free to take your time. AdrianGamer (talk) 14:27, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
How does everything look now? I think I've finished everything I had on the agenda. Does anything else need expansion or revision? Thanks again!--Ktmartell (talk) 17:29, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The article looks great. Mass Effect 3 is now a GA. Congrats! AdrianGamer (talk) 14:49, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Plot

Good Afternoon Friends - In my opinion, the plot summary is in danger of becoming overly detailed. There are three clear trimming opportunities: [1] Character and lore descriptions should be moved to the "Character and setting" section. For example, the Citadel should not be described and explained within the plot summary because it is important enough to the setting to simply be in the "Character and setting" section. [2] Characters that relay information to Shepard do not need to be explicitly referenced. For example, singling out Traynor as tracking down Cerberus is not important enough to be included in a general plot summary. [3] Continual references to "Shepard and the crew" are not necessary. This is not how the summaries of ME1 and ME2 are worded. Simply saying "Shepard does this" or "Shepard does that" is usually fine, with some exceptions. Please let me know if anyone takes issue; otherwise, I will make these adjustments later in the week.--Ktmartell (talk) 17:33, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the plot section is getting a bit too long. See WP:VG/PLOT. OceanHok (talk) 19:20, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've trimmed the plot section as you have suggested. Haleth (talk) 19:45, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks friends. I've already wasted some time today tweaking other parts of the article, but will take a look at the plot summary later this week and adjust if I still see anything that could be considered excessive. Please let me know if you would rather I not.--Ktmartell (talk) 15:57, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I began making some revisions today. I tried to stick to what I mentioned above (less character and setting information, removal of references to Shepard and the crew/Normandy). I also made the difficult decision to remove the names of Victus and Linron, two characters who have almost no characterization and serve virtually no purpose otherwise than to move the plot forward. If this is controversial, let me know and I will add them back, but I am being a bit bold right now in an effort to trim this thing down. I also want to mention that I am seriously considering removing the Citadel coup paragraph, as it is only a couple of sentences long and frankly has almost no bearing on the main plot outside of introducing Kai Leng. Would be interested to hear peoples' thoughts.--Ktmartell (talk) 17:11, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I'm done. I stayed bold and removed a decent chunk of good but (IMO) ultimately unnecessary information, such as the Citadel coup, which frankly doesn't impact the main plot that much. I also noticed that character information had been moved out of Characters and into Plot, when my understanding is that it should always be the other way around (provide detailed character information in Characters so you don't need to clutter Plot). I hope that these changes helped the article and prevented it from becoming overly detailed. I think that we should all err on starting a discussion in the future if anyone wants to expand the Plot section.--Ktmartell (talk) 18:36, 9 May 2020 (UTC)  Done[reply]
I've also stayed bold and added one sentence mentioning the Cerberus coup, but removed another superfluous line about Tali's suicide, which is already covered in her own article. It is a major plot point in the narrative, but doesn't need to be detailed any further. Haleth (talk) 06:29, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for doing that. It looks great!--Ktmartell (talk) 18:24, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ending controversy

I don't think the way the section is named is bad, but I believe "Controversy" is still the most sensible name to title the section. Are there any objections to changing it back to that? --Osh33m (talk) 18:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No objections from me. Thanks for doing this!--Ktmartell (talk) 16:14, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mass Effect Trilogy

For a significant duration of time, this article opened with something along the lines of "Mass Effect 3 is the final installment of the Mass Effect Trilogy". However, there has been some recent debate as to whether this is an appropriate way to describe the trilogy, which is why the introduction now says "original trilogy" instead of "Mass Effect Trilogy". What are everyone's opinions on this matter? In my opinion, the name of the trilogy seems quite clear. For example, Electronic Arts - the game's publisher - calls it as such on their store (https://www.origin.com/usa/en-us/store/mass-effect/mass-effect-trilogy). Video game publications have also described it as such, such as GameSpot (https://www.gamespot.com/articles/mass-effect-trilogy-remastered-reportedly-coming-next-year/1100-6482629/). I am interested to hear what people think, and if anyone has an objection to me changing back to "Mass Effect Trilogy" from "original trilogy" in the introduction.--Ktmartell (talk) 02:42, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think the term "original trilogy" came into common use after Andromeda is announced and released, since the presumption according to popular opinion a few years back was that the franchise would probably have another trilogy series of games in the near future starting with Andromeda. I think what you are trying to discuss is the concept, which is not exactly the same as the example you cited. At the time of writing, what I can verify is that the "Mass Effect trilogy" is simply a marketing term by EA to conveniently refer to the bundle of three games on the Origin store. As for the rumored remastered bundle which as of writing is still unconfirmed by either EA or BioWare but somehow generated a lot of hype and coverage, I personally believe that it is in production, and it probably warrants its own standalone article one day...but I digress. My suggestion that we can keep the "original trilogy" term until the the remastered trilogy is formally announced, and once that happens, there should be a standalone article for it, which discusses the in-universe concept, the physical retail bundle released in late 2012, and the remastered bundle which should attract a lot of reviews from both a fresh and retrospective POV. Haleth (talk) 08:13, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the way we want to go for now, then it makes sense to me. I'm not a huge fan of the term "original trilogy" but it is common enough and there will be an opportunity to revisit in the next sixth months or so.--Ktmartell (talk) 02:01, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
With all honesty, I am surprised that BioWare didn't just call it Mass Effect Trilogy Remastered since they already released an actual Mass Effect Trilogy compilation. I'm curious to see whether the fifth game they mentioned being developed is intended to continue Andromeda's story. Haleth (talk) 02:33, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I just noticed that in the official remaster announcement, Casey Hudson does refer to the trilogy as the Mass Effect trilogy. Does that move the needle for anyone as far as changing the introduction back to how it was, or do we still want to wait a few more months and see what happens?--Ktmartell (talk) 18:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I opened a similar discussion under Mass Effect: Legendary Edition. With the recent influx of press, many reliable sources have released articles calling it the "Mass Effect trilogy". I was able to find this description in IGN, GameSpot, and Eurogamer articles. It may be worth following the discussion there, but unless anyone has good reason, I'll update the introduction to say either "original Mass Effect trilogy" or "Mass Effect trilogy" in the coming weeks.--Ktmartell (talk) 20:07, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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