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A fact from Shakespeare and Star Trek appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 31 March 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Klingons are positively Shakespearean?

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Xover MarnetteD You may or may not think this is a good idea for an article, but WP:GNG will not be a problem, archive.org is surprisingly useful. Anyway, if you have any good ideas, please tell me or edit. Btw, Free Enterprise sounds hilarious[1]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:48, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I like it Gråbergs Gråa Sång though I'm always susceptible to things like this. My one suggestion is to list one or two specific Shakespearean performances for Shatner and Brooks. My reasoning being that most actors have been in a few of the bards plays as part of their career. Just a suggestion though. Reading the draft sure brought a number of scenes to mind. Especially Plummer's "to be or not to be" just before he gets blasted out of the heavens :-). MarnetteD|Talk 21:34, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MarnetteD I expect I'll get to that, I'm currently milking one book at a time. I wonder if you could add something nice and Oxbridge-cited about the remarkable omnipresence of Shakespeare in fiction as such, if you get my drift. I'm thinking first in "Background". I love Stewart-Picard watching Stewart-Michael Williams. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:51, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. I think Xover or maybe Bertaut will do a better job than I can fulfilling your request :-) Enjoy your ongoing research. MarnetteD|Talk 21:58, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping Michael. Ordinarily, this would be something I'd be very interested in, but even apart from the fact that I'm really busy IRL at the moment, my knowledge of Star Trek is primarily confined to Deep Space Nine, which doesn't have much in the way of Shakespeare-related content. I do know the episode "Fascination" is very loosely based on Midsummer Night's Dream, there's an episode called "Once More unto the Breach", and there are a couple of scattered references in conversations between Bashir and Garak. But apart from that, nothing else coms to mind. In a more general sense, you could check out Graham Holderness's Visual Shakespeare: Essays in Film and Television (2002), Richard Burt and Lynda E. Boose's Shakespeare, The Movie II: Popularizing the Plays on Film, TV, Video, and DVD (2003), Kenneth S. Rothwell's A History of Shakespeare on Screen: A Century of Film and Television (2004), and Richard Burt's Shakespeares After Shakespeare: An Encyclopedia of the Bard in Mass Media and Popular Culture (2006). Most are previewable on Google and/or Amazon (remember to check both Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk for previewable content - I've got a few other tricks to maximise how much you can access using previews, so if you're having trouble getting everything you need, let me know). Apologies I couldn't be of more use, but I definitely think this is a great idea for an article. Bertaut (talk) 03:33, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Bertaut, I've looked at what I could. What I so far haven't tried to mine is jstor. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:36, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Structure

My current thinking is to have the article structured in sections for TOS related stuff, TNG related stuff, etc. And to keep out primary sourced only stuff (i.e. dialog). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:57, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image

Interesting find. Someone took this head and put it on that body. I don't see why I shouldn't use it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:55, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Things I like but couldn't find a decent source for

Robot-Shakespeare [2]
Mirror-Phlox noting that "I was merely researching classical literature. I wanted to compare our major works with their counterparts in the other universe. I skimmed a few of the more celebrated narratives. The stories were similar in some respects, but their characters were weak and compassionate. With the exception of Shakespeare, of course. From what I could tell, his plays were equally grim in both universes." We can nerd-conclude from this that Phlox knew less about Shakespeare than Picard (In a Mirror, Darkly).

Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:54, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Noting also that while I've found good sources for writing about Requiem for Methuselah (and some compared Flint to Prospero), I have not found any good ones stating that Flint was/maybe was Shakespeare. Maybe he was Marlowe? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:44, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]