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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Ali_Kasi

Graham Whelan (Irish criminal)

Hi Gronk Oz, thanks for your edits to the above article. I've added links from three other articles - is that enough for the orphan tag to be removed? Autarch (talk) 01:27, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nicely done, @Autarch: but the illustrious Ser Amantio di Nicolao beat us to it, and removed the {{orphan}} tag already.--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:54, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you expand the Award Section?

Hello

I hope you will be fine, I want you to add 2 Awards to the Awards Section please. Article... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan Ali Kasi

High Achiever of the Year 2021, Reference (https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/912594-appreciation-ceremony-in-honour-of-high-achievers-held-at-iiui) (https://pakobserver.net/appreciation-ceremony-in-honour-of-high-achievers-held-at-iiui/)

National Youth Award 2021, Reference (https://www.iiu.edu.pk/?p=51524) (https://startuppakistan.com.pk/hassan-ali-kasi-has-won-the-national-youth-award-for-representing-pakistan-in-the-international-quran-recitation-competition-2021/)

one more thing, can my Facebook verified page be added to external link (www.facebook.com/hassanalikasi)

your acceptance will be appreciated,

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khudaeidadkhan (talk • contribs) 13:48, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done Hello from Australia. If you are Hassan Ali Kasi, then I thank you for not editing the page yourself. As you can imagine, it is difficult for any person to be balanced and objective when writing about themselves, so we discourage people from doing it. In general, the best way to request somebody to edit the page is to request it on the Talk page associated with that page - see the process described at Wikipedia:Edit requests.

But in this case, I am happy to help out. Note that the pakobserver source was not usable, since all it said about the subject was "[The event] was also attended by Hassan Ali Kasi, a student of Islamic Studies at IIUI who won a world recitation competition." Simply attending an event is hardly notable, and the competition win was already in the article. Everything else has gone into the article; at first I wasn't sure about the Facebook page but I am satisfied that it meets the standards at WP:ELOFFICIAL to be an official link. I am happy to see that things are going so well for you.--Gronk Oz (talk) 00:27, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas!

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New Article creation, please check his eligibility and give your advice?

Haris Baloch, a young entrepreneur and founder of Rifiako Media...

Articles

https://nation.com.pk/20-Feb-2021/struggle-to-inspire-story-of-rifiako-media-owners-haris-baloch-and-mehran-khan

https://www.brecorder.com/news/40070706/the-way-of-living-your-life-is-to-dream-big

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2282912/dreaming-big-in-balochistan

https://www.aaj.tv/news/30243668

https://english.newstracklive.com/news/how-two-youngsters-haris-baloch-and-mehran-khan--created-digital-media-company-rifiako-media-sc17-nu293-ta293-1119376-1.html

External Accounts

https://www.instagram.com/har1sb

https://twitter.com/Harisabaloch

https://www.tiktok.com/@theharisbaloch

https://www.facebook.com/iRealHarisBaloch

if possible for article creation, please proceed for further process if not please give advice...

Thank you Hassan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khudaeidadkhan (talk • contribs) 08:21, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Khudaeidadkhan: Firstly, thank you for supplying those sources. As you probably know, Wikipedia articles live or die by the sources that support them. In this case, I am unsure. There seems to be coverage in several major news sources. However, I have some reservations about them and I have asked for another opinion at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Where_to_go_for_Notability_advice? I suggest you follow the discussion there, and if there are questions you might be able to contribute to them.--Gronk Oz (talk) 10:59, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Khudaeidadkhan: some good answers came back on the Teahouse, including from a Wikipedia Administrator. I'm sorry to tell you that most of them agreed that these sources do not show that Haris Baloch is notable (in Wikipedia's special meaning of the word). In particular, there are two problems with them:

All of the articles say the same thing, in almost the same words. This usually happens when newspapers are just repeating a press release or where a story is syndicated. They do not appear to be independent of one another, and probably not independent of the subject.
Those articles don't really say anything about what he or his company have achieved: they are just puff pieces. As one respondent said: "These guys have persuaded newspapers to describe them as 'entrepreneurs', who 'come up with solutions'. But there's no evidence that they've ever done anything useful."

My view is that it's probably too soon in their careers - Wikipedia documents what has happened after the fact; it doesn't promote businesses that are still getting established. So AFTER they have made significant achievements, which have been written about independently by reliable sources, it would be better received.--Gronk Oz (talk) 00:56, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

please add external links in my article if possible

recently you have made an edit to my article, Hassan Ali Kasi i am very thankful to your help and work.

Link to be added

External link

Twitter https://twitter.com/HassanAliKasi

Thank you again... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khudaeidadkhan (talk • contribs) 08:25, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, links to the subject's social media like those are not suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. You can read the relevant guideline at WP:ELNO.--Gronk Oz (talk) 09:01, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Heather Conley

I edited a while ago in 2015 and it was a positive experience. My new year's resolution was to add to the global commons of knowledge. Unfortnately, between 2015 and 2021 there have arisen a new form of delete trolls who edit and critique without doing their own due diligence. I respectfully find it to be a form of bullying meant to drive out new contributors. If your intention is to make this a welcoming space, support new contributors, look at the sources, do your own due diligence -- build, don't tear down. Also, if you called out the sourcing from the State Department archives on Heather Conley which came from open source, non-copyright material -- I guess I will have to escalate this pursuit. I hope this community isn't as toxic as my initial experience has been. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XhainXpert (talk • contribs) 18:11, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@XhainXpert: Can I assume your comments relate to the article on Heather Conley, rather than Hassan Ali Kasi where you posted it? I have added a heading to that effect; let me know if that is not correct.

I fully appreciate your desire to help, and I am sorry that this experience so far has been negative. Now that I check, I see that other people (nothing to do with me) deleted the article because parts of it were just copied from a copyright source. Wikipedia has a legal obligation not to violate copyright that belongs to anybody else. In this case, you plagiarized https://www.gmfus.org/news/heather-conley-named-next-gmf-president. Wikipedia has no choice - they cannot continue to host the offending material.

But all is not lost. Find some good sources, and summarize the essence of what they say in your own words. The public domain material CAN be used (but the page I linked above is not PD)..--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:28, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gronk Oz Thank you for your response. However, the individual who deleted the article in its entirety did so without seeing that most of the content was, in fact, from the State Department archives which are, indeed PD. I will do so again but the concept of proportionality and spirit of congenial community, are certainly reflected in Wikipedia's terms of service. I will edit again. My hope is that those who edit that post do so constructively, adding to the body of open source knowledge rather than disproportionately deleting articles in their entirety. I would appreciate you citing where it says the entire article must be removed since you have helpfully supported the decision.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by XhainXpert (talk • contribs) 07:51, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@XhainXpert: Check out criterion G12 "Unambiguous copyright infringement" of the Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G12. If the offending material had been added separately then most likely that change would simply have been reverted. Anyway, if you rewrite the article I suggest that you do as John B123 suggested and add the attribution template {{US government sources}}, or more specific department templates in Category:United States government attribution templates. And the article still needs additional references to reliable sources that are independent of the subject.--Gronk Oz (talk) 08:46, 9 January 2022 (UTC)-- Thanks. I am giving up on it...[reply]

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you for your help Khudaeidadkhan (talk) 13:05, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:10, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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