Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arthur Allsopp Shield (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to ASF National Championships. MBisanz ^talk 00:14, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Arthur Allsopp Shield

AfDs for this article:

• Articles for deletion/Arthur Allsopp Shield
• Articles for deletion/Arthur Allsopp Shield (2nd nomination)

Arthur Allsopp Shield (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

as per my previous nomination. fails WP:GNG. this is a junior competition and not an elite competition so being "national" doesn't grant automatic notability. also, coverage is limited to some small newspaper and none of the major Australian press. nothing in national broadcaster [1], or major Australian news website [2]. LibStar (talk) 02:09, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Dan arndt (talk) 04:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Dan arndt (talk) 04:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

• Delete. Minor boys trophy, not relevant to the highest national level. Fails notability on several fronts, including WP:NSPORT, WP:NEVENT, WP:SIGCOV. WWGB (talk) 05:16, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• Rediect to ASF National Championships. Minor junior competition, not independently notable, lacking significant coverage in independent reliable sources. The-Pope (talk) 05:54, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
• Keep. National level competition, the article is referenced. go back read the previous nomination. it really just seems this editor is a little to trigger happy with the nominations for deletion and attacks on anyone that opposes them. --Dan027 (talk) 11:00, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

that's WP:ADHOM, the coverage is not significant. Simply being referenced doesn't make it automatically notable. Can you find coverage in a national newspaper or tv station? LibStar (talk) 15:31, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I actually have quite a few newspaper articles from the tournament, unfortunately at the moment most of my stuff is packed in storage and i do not have access to any online newspaper archives to look them up. A couple of the tournaments i was directly involved with; Sydney in 1997 there was coverage in the Sydney Morning Herald and local radio stations, Melbourne in 2003 there was coverage in the Herald Sun and FOX fm was in attendance for 2 nights of competition, Hobart in 2004 there was daily coverage in The Mercury and WIN did a small piece at the beginning of the tournament. Also in the late 1990s ABC provided coverage in the form of a 1 hour highlights package for each of the National Championships and National League Finals. --Dan027 (talk) 07:57, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

According to Google news archives, coverage is limited to Mt Druitt Standard, Border Mail, Blacktown Advocate, Penrith Star and Blayney Chronicle. WWGB (talk) 11:13, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

One thing people on wikipedia seem unable to comprehend is; not all past newspaper content is available online, and even a 5 minute search on google news does not come up with a definitive list of what is available online. --Dan027 (talk) 13:53, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Condescension aside, I understand very well the limitations of Google News. My point is that there isn't much to work with, which possibly explains why the article is bereft of online sources. WWGB (talk) 15:07, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

---

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 09:20, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

---

• Keep: While I do not have them handy, I have read about this competition in at least two books on the history of Australian softball. (And softball in Australia does have a fair number of men playing.) A search on Newsbank pulls up 27 results, which established WP:GNG being passed. They include the list below. --LauraHale (talk) 12:31, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Collapsing this as it is taking up to much room JayJayWhat did I do? 17:52, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

1.Sports extra Redcliffe Bayside Herald (Brisbane, Australia) - March 27, 2013 Length: 854 words (Estimated printed pages: 3) Scoring state selection SOFTBALL: Redcliffe softball player Paige Delacour has been selected to compete in the Queensland Maroon Women's softball team at the 2013 Southern Cross Challenge. Delacour, from Rothwell, will travel with the state team to Redlands Softball Association from April 25-28. The Southern Cross Challenge, which is hosted by Softball Queensland and the New Zealand Canterbury Softball Association in alternate years, provides a consistent international... 2.MILL PARK - State role - lifts teen's - ball game Leader - Whittlesea Post (Melbourne, Australia) - March 13, 2013 Length: 133 words (Estimated printed pages: 1) MILL PARK A MILL Park teenager is a hit above the rest after representing the Victorian softball team. Ryan Lawrence, one of the youngest in the under-17 team, travelled to Tasmania for the January national Arthur Allsopp Shield Championships, where his team came third. He said his state selection and playing at the national championships had given him a confidence boost. ``The whole experience changed me and it has given me a whole new focus on my fitness and my... 3.Batter stacks up stats ■Kaide Risby makes Australian under-17 softball squad Campbelltown-Macarthur Advertiser (Australia) - February 27, 2013 Length: 392 words (Estimated printed pages: 2) SOFTBALLER Kaide Risby's joy at being named the best batter during last month's under-17 men's national fastpitch championship turned to ecstasy last week. The young softballer's sporting career received a bigger boost when he was selected for the Australian under-17 national squad. "It's one of the greatest achievements of my life," Kaide said. "It is something I have been... 4.Pitcher finds the success zone Penrith Star (Australia) - October 10, 2012 Length: 428 words (Estimated printed pages: 3) WHETHER he masters the bases or not, Jack Noble is truly at home on the softball diamond. The Penrith Valley Sports Foundation Junior Sportstar of the Month for September has worn all the colours he can. They include those of Glenmore Phantoms Softball Club, as well as those of the Penrith City Softball Association, NSW and Australia. He aims to play at the world championships. The 15-year-old began the trek on perfect ground by earning a spot in the... 5.From bat to golden boot Penrith Star (Australia) - September 12, 2012 Length: 243 words (Estimated printed pages: 2) HE'S an ace of two disciplines, thriving in the diamond and on the footy field. From the bat to the Steeden, Michael Robar has exceeded in both softball and rugby league over the past year, stringing together an impressive resume that's led to him being named the Penrith Valley Sports Foundation Junior Sportstar of the Month for August. Robar, 16, enjoyed a meteoric rise from the turf of the Henry Lawson Hornets Softball Club to international bases... 6.Ace in two fields Penrith Star (Australia) - September 12, 2012 Length: 427 words (Estimated printed pages: 3) HE’S an ace of two trades who’s thriving in the diamond and on the footy field. From the bat to the Steeden, Michael Robar has exceeded in both softball and rugby league over the past year and has strung together an impressive resume that’s led to him being named the Penrith Valley Sports Foundation Junior Sportstar of the Month for August. The 16-year-old enjoyed a meteoric rise from the... 7.Softball champion Liam O'Leary impresses Camden Advertiser (Australia) - March 10, 2010 Length: 388 words (Estimated printed pages: 2) CURRANS Hill softball champion Liam O'Leary could be catching out the world's best in front of a roaring Argentinian crowd in two years' time if all goes to plan. The 16-year-old, who was Southern Districts Softball Association sportsman of the year last season, has been picked in the 2010 Australian Under-19 Men's squad and if he keeps his head on straight he will compete in the 2012 ISF XI Men's World Championship in South... 8.Softball champion Liam O'Leary impresses Camden Advertiser (Australia) - March 9, 2010 Length: 363 words (Estimated printed pages: 2) CURRANS Hill softball champion Liam O'Leary could be catching out the world's best in front of a roaring Argentinian crowd in two years' time if all goes to plan. The 16-year-old, who was Southern Districts Softball Association sportsman of the year last season, has been picked in the 2010 Australian Under-19 Men's squad and if he keeps his head on straight he will compete in the 2012 ISF XI Men's World Championship in South... 9.Softballers play hard and win Macarthur Chronicle (Sydney, Australia) - February 9, 2010 Length: 167 words (Estimated printed pages: 1) CAMPBELLTOWN & District Softball Association players Dane Paterson and Taylor Martin-Woodhouse have helped NSW win the Australian under-16 softball title. The teenagers, from Macquarie Fields and Ingleburn, played integral roles in the six-day tournament for the Arthur Allsopp Shield at Blacktown Olympic Park last month. They earned the praise of association president Richard Bromley who acknowledged both players' consistency. ``They have been great... 10.Softballers grab national win Penrith Star (Australia) - February 3, 2010 Length: 262 words (Estimated printed pages: 1) TAYLAH Tsitsikronis played her part perfectly to captain the NSW Under-16 girls' team to victory at the national softball championships from Sunday, January 10, to Saturday, January 16, at Blacktown Olympic Park. The 15-year-old catcher led NSW through a week of undefeated competition before eclipsing Queensland 3-0 in the grand final and winning the Esther Deason Shield for the second year in a row. "Defending our title was definitely a driving factor and... 11.Softballers grab national win Penrith Star (Australia) - February 3, 2010 Length: 262 words (Estimated printed pages: 2) TAYLAH Tsitsikronis played her part perfectly to captain the NSW Under-16 girls' team to victory at the national softball championships from Sunday, January 10, to Saturday, January 16, at Blacktown Olympic Park. The 15-year-old catcher led NSW through a week of undefeated competition before eclipsing Queensland 3-0 in the grand final and winning the Esther Deason Shield for the second year in a row. Defending our title was definitely a... 12.Championship victory for Taylah Tsitsikronis Penrith Star (Australia) - January 27, 2010 Length: 266 words (Estimated printed pages: 2) TAYLAH Tsitsikronis played her part perfectly to captain the NSW Under 16 girls team to victory at the national softball championships from Sunday, January 10, to Saturday, January 16, at Blacktown Olympic Park. The 15-year-old catcher (right) led NSW through a week of undefeated competition before eclipsing Queensland 3-0 in the grand final and winning the Esther Deason Shield for the second year in a row. Defending our title was definitely a driving... 13.Championship victory for Taylah Tsitsikronis Penrith Star (Australia) - January 27, 2010 Length: 266 words (Estimated printed pages: 1) TAYLAH Tsitsikronis played her part perfectly to captain the NSW Under 16 girls team to victory at the national softball championships from Sunday, January 10, to Saturday, January 16, at Blacktown Olympic Park. The 15-year-old catcher (right) led NSW through a week of undefeated competition before eclipsing Queensland 3-0 in the grand final and winning the Esther Deason Shield for the second year in a row. "Defending our title was definitely a driving factor and it was... 14.NSW triumphs Mt Druitt Standard (Sydney, Australia) - January 20, 2010 Length: 59 words (Estimated printed pages: 1) IT was a state of origin showdown at the national under-16 softball championships on Saturday when the NSW boys and girls beat their Queensland rivals. The NSW girls won 3-0 to retain the Esther Deason Shield. The boys won the Arthur Allsopp Shield 7-2 in an exciting game. The games were played at Blacktown Olympic Park, Rooty... 15.Youngsters pitch in Blacktown Advocate (Sydney, Australia) - January 13, 2010 Length: 183 words (Estimated printed pages: 1) THE country's best junior softballers have converged on Blacktown Olympic Park for the Softball Australia National Under-16 Championships. The first pitch of the event was thrown on Sunday, with the week-long tournament due to end on Saturday. The championships mark the beginning of representative careers for many of these talented young boys and girls with what has so far been an action-packed few days. The NSW boys take on premiers Victoria, along with... 16.National junior softball titles head to Rooty Hill Mt Druitt Standard (Sydney, Australia) - January 6, 2010 Length: 101 words (Estimated printed pages: 1) YOUNGSTERS will be looking to hit the ball out of Blacktown Olympic Park at the Softball Australia's national under-16s championships starting this Sunday. The six-day competition will mark the start of a representative career for many of the players, who will be travelling from all over the country for the tournament. The girls will be playing for the Esther Deason Shield and the NSW boys will be hoping to claim the Arthur Allsopp Shield. Games tee off at 9.30am... 17.Grants for champs Fairfield Advance (Sydney, Australia) - May 13, 2009 Length: 186 words (Estimated printed pages: 1) WESTFIELDS Sports High School students Kayne Kajan and Bradley Sharne were each presented with $500 under the Local Sporting Champions program last week. Athletics champion Sharne, a former Fairfield Advance Junior Sports Star award nominee, represented the state in the National Multiple Event Championships in Canberra last year and bagged a silver medal for the 1500m. He said he was thrilled to receive the grant. ``I'm going to give the money to my parents... 18.Tennis aces Liverpool Champion (Australia) - January 30, 2008 Length: 190 words (Estimated printed pages: 1) South West Sydney Academy of Sport is seeking boys and girls aged 11 to 16 years who live, attend school or play for a tennis club in the Liverpool area to join its tennis program. Coaches who are seeking scholarships can also nominate for the new coaching education program. Details: swsas.org.au. Eels' trials Parramatta have two trial games sheduled before the start of the 2008 season in March. They play Penrith at Lavington Sportsground in Albury, on Friday, February... 19.Plenty of bottle but Sydney miss out Sunday Mail, The (Brisbane, Australia) - October 7, 2007 Length: 344 words (Estimated printed pages: 2) IRATE fans last night threw plastic bottles at referee Mark Shield, who needed a police escort off the ground after a controversial match against Melbourne Victory at the Sydney Football Stadium. It featured the sending-off of one of Sydney FC's favourites, Steve Corica. While defending champions Melbourne snuck home, thanks to an 81st-minute goal from striker Danny Allsopp, Shield stole the spotlight by handing out one red card and eight yellow cards. Sydney... 20.Canberra Times: ACT boys win nationals Canberra Times (Australia) - January 23, 2007 Length: 189 words (Estimated printed pages: 2) THE ACT has been awarded the U/16 Boys National Fastpitch Championship Title in softball. The team took home the Arthur Allsopp shield for the first time since 2000 and only the second time since 1992. In the competition, held in South Australia last week the ACT team was undefeated and beat NSW for the title in the grand final. The ACT U/16 Women's side competed for the Esther Deason Shield at Downey Park in Queensland. Although managing a convincing... 21.Softballers help Vics claim title Leader - Berwick Leader (Melbourne, Australia) - January 26, 2005 Length: 264 words (Estimated printed pages: 1) CASEY Softball Association is bursting with pride after successful performances by its state representatives. Kerryn Atwell (Doveton) and Carolyn and Natalie James (Berwick) were integral members of the Victorian Under 19s who captured the Elinor MacKenzie Shield at last weekend's national championships. The raging Vics crushed NSW 3-0 in a tight final at Melbourne Ball Park, Altona. The James sisters starred in the match, registering two of the... 22.Damien setting his sights high South East Advertiser (Brisbane, Australia) - March 24, 2004 Length: 140 words (Estimated printed pages: 1) INTERNATIONAL competition has Carina resident Damien Nairn's adrenalin rushing and goals in sight. Damien has already played for Australia in softball matches against Japan. He was selected for the Australian under-19 men's team. The team contested a Test series against Japan in Sydney, which wound up on February 1. Damien was one of three players to be chosen for the series from the Arthur Allsopp Shield. This secured him a win in... 23.Youths gain honours for their efforts South East Advertiser (Brisbane, Australia) - March 10, 2004 Length: 241 words (Estimated printed pages: 1) A community-minded drummer, school captain and a national softball player have been rewarded for their efforts. The trio have picked up wins in the Quest Community Newspapers' YoungStar Awards for February. Hawthorne's Dane Byrom won in the community section of the awards. The 18-year-old drummer with Raw Metal Dance Company was involved in a fundraiser to supply footwear to the homeless. Dane donated shoes as part of a Who Gives a Shoe... 24.Aston loves the hard slog, fast pace Leader - Moonee Valley Gazette (Melbourne, Australia) - September 16, 2002 Length: 251 words (Estimated printed pages: 1) AT AGE 15, Aston Edwards may be at the younger end of the sports star scale but he has been playing softball for two-thirds of his life. Edwards, a member of the Australian under-19 softball team, took up the sport at the request of his cousin more than 10 years ago, playing in a competition for youngsters. Now he has his sights set on playing with the national team in the World Series scheduled for Japan in 2004. The Ascot Vale teenager was part of the Victorian team, which... 25.Softballer named in national squad Macarthur Chronicle (Sydney, Australia) - February 26, 2002 Length: 135 words (Estimated printed pages: 1) ESCHOL Park softballer Simon Webb is following in the footsteps of another Macarthur area athlete, Mark Long, with selection in the Australian under-19 training squad. The 16-year-old was named in the squad after last month's under-16 national titles at the Olympic Softball Centre, Blacktown. Webb was part of the successful NSW team that retained the Arthur Allsopp Shield. NSW downed the ACT 2-1 in the final, Webb setting up the victory with some tight pitching in the first five... 26.Showcase for future hampions Blacktown Advocate (Sydney, Australia) - January 9, 2002 Length: 183 words (Estimated printed pages: 1) BLACKTOWN is playing host to a new breed of potential world champions this week with the staging of the 2002 Australian under-16 boys fastpitch softball championship. The venue is the NSW Softball Centre, part of the Blacktown Olympic Centre at Rooty Hill. The tournament has one of the strongest development reputations in international softball, with most of Australia's 1997 and 2001 junior men world champion players having been identified initially at this... 27.Pitching in for future Mt Druitt Standard (Sydney, Australia) - January 9, 2002 Length: 141 words (Estimated printed pages: 1) BLACKTOWN is playing host to a new breed of potential world champions this week with the staging of the 2002 Australian under-16 boys fastpitch softball championship. The venue is the NSW Softball Centre, part of the Blacktown Olympic Centre at Rooty Hill. The tournament has one of the strongest development reputations in international softball, with most of Australia's 1997 and 2001 junior men world champion players having been identified initially at this level. From...

• Comment I've reformatted the above text to ease readability. Please either link content or summerise findings in further contributions. Copy and pasting large amounts into a block of text is not entirely helpful. Funny ^Pika! 17:40, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

• Not only that, but a lot of those things you linked to made absolutely no mention of this Shield, or only suggest very trivial mentions. 27 sources in a news search doesn't do anything whatsoever for GNG. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 10:36, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

• Merge to ASF National Championships. I can only find local routine coverage for this junior championship, the sort that acts as page filler for minor newspaper back pages. Doesn't seem to be notable outside softball circles. A merge to the main championships article would be the best option. Funny ^Pika! 17:40, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
• Redirect to ASF National Championships: There's pretty much nothing to merge, as all this article is really a promotional fluffy thing for Arthur Allsopp, and a list of winners. This competition fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG pretty clearly. Being a national competition isn't a grounds for notability, nor is the fact the article is referenced (it's very, very, very badly referenced, and may actually be a copyvio in part of ref #4) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 20:28, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
• Merge. Appears to fail WP:GNG. —me_and 19:35, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.