Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Starslip Crisis

Starslip Crisis

Non-notable, fails WP:WEB and other criteria under WikiProject: Webcomics. Alexa ranking search for "www.starslip.com" yields no traffic data whatsoever even though the site has been up for two years. Furthermore many other comics on the internet have been around for more than two years without attaining notability, let alone Wikipedia's inclusion requirements. The article also includes reference to the Web Cartoonist's Choice Awards, which has been found non-notable by Wikipedia editors. Salby 06:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As noted below, the reason your Alexa search yielded no traffic data is because you searched the WRONG URL. All of the "delete" motions below that yesman this original nomination are therefore flawed. --ItsWalky! 18:36, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable, has not been covered in any news media or other non-article sources. I say this with some experience in web comics as a fan of Player Arcade. Incredulous 06:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Motion to question Incredulous' experience in webcomics, as it's Penny Arcade. If you can't even recall the correct name of the most popular webcomic on the Internet... --ItsWalky! 16:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. This is clearly a notable webcomic as its critical accolades indicate. I could also point out that exact phrase search turns up 101,000 hits on Google - this is a strip that has been much talked about, especially for a strip only a couple years old - and also that this webcomic has published three "real" books to date. Salby has not even searched for the correct url. www.starslipcrisis.com has an Alexa rank of 88,460 if you care about Alexa ranks. Balancer 08:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Even if Alexa ranking is no longer an official criteria, two related web comics Evil Inc. and Ugly Hill are either up for deletion or have been deleted. The Starslip Crisis article is full of fancruft. Also the three "real" books are print-on-demand and can be produced by anyone instantly. Incredulous 08:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- - Mild keep - and I'll point out that Evil Inc. was restored, and Ugly Hill may wind up being kept. I'll also point out that a Google search for the phrase, even after excluding wikipedia, comixpedia, wikiquote, lulu, nightsidepress, and starslipcrisis, still gets +92000 hits, with +250 of those being distinct (reviews, blog recommendations, awards, interviews with Straub, etc). Article definitely needs work, though. DS 15:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Indeed. "We're trying to delete all these other webcomics, so it's okay to delete this one too" is a circular argument. If the deletion status of "related webcomics" is at all pertinent to this discussion, then the fact that Evil Inc. was restored and Ugly Hill is likely on its way to vindication should paint this affair in the opposite manner Incredulous suggests. --ItsWalky! 18:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Ugly Hill discussion is loaded of meatpuppetry after the author linked to the AfD, so I wouldn't look to vindication there. As for Evil Inc., there have been several AfDs put forth in good faith, which indicates an issue. In its defense, its author is a newspaper cartoonist and has been published, so there are non-author-generated secondary sources. LKeith30 19:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep Notable comic with significant web traffic recorded by trusted third-party source (Project Wonderful.)Egunthry 08:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As per original. Banalzebub 09:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete, notability is questionable but it's a poor article. Probably could be Merged under Blank Label Comics or Kristofer Straub. Hammurabbi 09:57, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Here I would argue that Kristopher Straub is non-notable under WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE, and this is reason enough to open an AfD. Banalzebub 10:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Agreed, delete is appropriate. Hammurabbi 10:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this vanity/fan-written article. The comic hasn't had an impact on webcomics in general, and Straub hasn't even been invited as a guest to conventions. LKeith30 10:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no secondary sources. - Francis Tyers · 11:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Secondary sources, notability in doubt, article NPOV wrt unnecessary details, high Alexa rank StarHarbor 12:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no secondary sources at all and comixpedia:Starslip Crisis already exists. —xyzzy_n 14:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. Inkpaduta 15:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
keep the alexa rank demonstrates that this webcomic is of significant cultural significance to be preserved. as the article mentions, the webcomic also maintains notability by receiving some acclaim. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 18:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Repromancer 19:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no secondary sources, no Alexa rank for www.starslip.com, not carried by any popular media, no cultural significance. Expewikist 19:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]