User talk:Istvan

Omega 3 fatty acid

Please take a look at the new image I added to omega-3 fatty acid, and let me know what you think. If you prefer any changes to it, please just let me know. It would only take a minute (literally) to create a new one with any suggestions you might have. --Ed (Edgar181) 15:36, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! the one you post is much more helpful. If I were to change it I would suggest only to make the ω symbol larger, red (to match the corresp. numbers) and put it toward the top, and make the α symbol blue (to match its corresponding numbers). Thanks for your help! This article is starting to look a lot better (it seems that the need for major cleanup is now restricted to the physiology and health benefits/risks section). Istvan 17:16, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Good suggestions. I went ahead and made the changes. One minor point is that the alpha carbon is the one next to the carbonyl (carbon 2 by chemical numbering). --Ed (Edgar181) 17:42, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

looks great! thanks! Istvan 18:08, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

chia

Should the article include all chia types used for food? The confusion for me is that the article implies that chia hispanica is the only species of chia that is used for food. Jadepearl

There is also an article for S. columbariae, golden chia under which virtually the same preparations would fit. It is very similar to s. hispanica - the main difference is that the latter is much easier to cultivate economically for various reasons. It could be noted in the text that s.columbariae is often also referred to as chia. I ran across some great stuff about chia and food - i.e. the spanish writing that the Aztecs were using chia, almonds and honey as "food bars" even. Its great stuff (both species). Istvan 05:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Off topic from Chia but are you sure that almonds were native to Mesoamerica and through the Aztec empire? Could it be another type of nut and the Spanish used the closest match in describing Chia energy bars?

Indeed, the reference is the "Florentine Codex" (Sahagun) book 9, chapter 10, where he describes bars (turrones) made of chia, almonds and honey. The observer is European, and since we know that neither almonds nor honey were present in precolumbian time (Sahagun often used "honey" to describe "syrup") we can assume they were simply improvising a description. I think sometimes early chroniclers did that on purpose because they knew their readers were European and likely unfamiliar with New World species. Istvan 14:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

pozole

Since you mention Sahagún, how reliable do you think his description is of a pozole served to Moctezuma with a human thigh? I was not sure of the reliability of the source and so did not enter it into references or various entries. --jadepearl 15:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Although Sahagun would not have witnessed this, he would most certainly have heard the story. Since we know that he often corroborated his sources (very methodical for the time), it is likely that the "story" was correct, if not the event. (the Aztecs did in fact have a taste for this type of thing) The Florentine Codex was written in Nahuatl, and translation produces some pretty stilted language, but if its there in substance, we can most likely believe it absent any contrary evidence. Istvan 23:18, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

szia

Te a magyar wikin is vagy? És ha nem, akkor miért nem? :-)) Nyikita 08:42, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Do you speak or read hungarian? If you are answer: No, you do not, then my answered will short. But if you are speak or read hungarian, then válaszolok a kérdésedre szivesen hosszan és kimerítően is :-))) Because my Englist is not very well.

Igen, beszélek. De ez az angol nyelvũ wiki, itt angolul folyik a társolgás. (pardon my French...) ;-)Istvan 16:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Posted by (^'-')^ Covington 07:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC), on behalf of the the AID Maintenance Team

Duplicate categories for Stephen I of Hungary

Hi, Duplicating categories (like using "Hungarian saints" and "Saints" for the same article) are usually not advisable, but there are a few exceptions. Here you can read a guideline on cases where duplicate categories may be useful. I think the articles of "Saints" should be moved to their individual national categories, instead of expanding the category even further – especially as it's obviously overpopulated. Adam78 00:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Too many saints? I should think not enough! ;-) I see your point - i.e. avoiding duplication however, I would urge consideration for including all of them under "saints". Firstly, it facilitates browsing the category as a whole: people might come there wanting to look up their own name, to choose a name for a child, to figure out e.g. which St. Stephen got stoned, etc. and a segregated body hinders this (remember, when you remove the "cat:Saints", then the name no longer appears there.) Secondly, nationality as an organizing principle (e.g. Hungarian Saints) doesnt fit the category: many saints' nationalities cant be described in modern terms, e.g. Martin of Tours, born in Szombathely (Hungary) long before the modern Hungarian state existed. Thirdly, nationality as a primary distinction is really a modern phenomena - they've been making saints centuries longer than any modern European (Much less American) State has existed (except Greece). Fourthly, a saint is a saint firstly and their nationality is of secondary or tertiary importance. Im not knocking the category: Hungarian Saints - it has a right to exist as such, but it should be a subcategory of "saints by nationality" which should be a subcategory of the full set of "saints", and each saint should link to each of these. (It may be interesting to build the "saints by feast day" calendar too). Anyway, if any of this makes sense to you then please go ahead and do as you wish. I leave it to your discretion. Istvan 04:59, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I understand what you mean but I still don't think overpopulating categories is a good solution. Consider films, of which there are probably much more than saints. Just imagine if all the films were put into ONE category! It would be horrible... Yet, we need to enable the user to search among them, and the solution is creating

• subcategories (see Category:Films – note that this category doesn't include the films themselves, only subcategories) and
• lists (Lists of films).

You can also look at countries and the many lists that can be made of them. As you can see, this problem has already emerged with other sets of articles and efficient ways were found to solve it.

I understand that nationality may not be the best as subcategories but you could find other aspects for saints (name, historical age, continent and whatever you want). And if you want to browse them all, the most commons means for that is lists. The closest analogy among films for what you mean for saints may be List of films: A-D and its sequels.

The ideal solution would be probably if you created several subcategories and several lists within the Category:Saints and it could help users as much as the existing subcategories and lists of films can help users in browsing. (See also: Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes.) Perhaps you can find an administrator and their robot and ask them to create a list from the category, or you can do it yourself. Adam78 14:15, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

After 1 month, Ive reverted them to category "Saints". Immediately prior, "Hungarian-" was the only national subcategory ("Coptic -" and ironically "Roman Catholic -" being the only other two ethnic ones). Whatever the merits of national subcats, its obvious that the rest of the world just isnt using them. Moreover, Imre, Erzsébet and Istvan were the only ones to ever show up, so let's just move them from their lonely ghetto back to the main pantheon Istvan 08:03, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

No, sorry, the opposite is true. The rest of the world does use them, see Category:Saints by country with 26 other categories, sorted by country. Adam78 11:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Hungarian saints

Hi, why did you empty the above category? There are no less than 26 similar categories at Category:Saints by country, what is the problem with this one?? Adam78 11:30, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Imber

My family is not from Imber, but I was brought up near Salisbury. One of my schoolteachers was a man called Austin Underwood. His daughter Ruth follows in hs footsteps. She has written a book. See [1] William Avery 07:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

1956 revolution

jó napot Istvan, how can we get more people to vote for the 56 revolution for Article Improvement?! I posted an appeal on the talk: Main Page but it just got deleted (apparently it was spam.) We have to get that article featured on 10/23!! btw don't mind my Russian username, I'm not Russian, I just speak Russian. (I'm not a Soviet saboteur or anything LOL) I've only got a tiny bit of Magyar blood but I'm Hungarian through and through! :) K. Lastochka 15:21, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I WAS basically joking about the awkwardness my Russian username :)--I've only recently found out that I'm (very little) part Magyar and all my email/internet/whatever else stuff is all Russian. I'm just multicultural, I guess. :) Anyway, there is a whole list of "Wikipedians in Hungary" that I stumbled across, maybe we can bother some of them. Only if they write back in Hungarian, they're officially YOURS to deal with....csak egy kicsit beszelék magyarul. :) K. Lastochka 21:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

We just started planning how to improve the article at HuWiki. If you're registered there, it would be good if you could help, time is really short. – Alensha  ^talk 14:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Istvan!! Have you seen the voting page lately?! We're up to 28! About seven people voted today so far, probably all thanks to Alensha putting up the link on the Hungarian Wikipedians' talk page after I messaged her about it. I think this might actually work!! K. Lastochka 16:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, that's a good idea about the Prague Spring! I would totally vote for that anyway, but an international collaboration might not be too hard to set up. :) One problem--I don't speak Czech, though I can read bits and pieces here and there. I can probably find some english-speaking Czechs on here though. Cheers! K. Lastochka 21:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Wow, up to 34, we're tied with Christianity! :) One more vote and we're leading the pack!! K. Lastochka 14:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I couldn't find a way to appeal specifically to the Czechs, so I just posted something on the generic East European Wikipedians notice board. Hope we can put aside regional rivalries...:) K. Lastochka

Yeah--we should be sure to make it clear we're talking about the FIFTY-six Revolution. :) Those elections on Oct 1 should be veeeeeeery interesting. :) K. Lastochka

Congratulations to you too! After all, it WAS your idea. :) K. Lastochka 02:51, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

köszönöm!

Awww, Istvan! Thanks for the cool barnstar--nice idea to make it the flag with the commie insignia cut out. I promise I'll actually do some outside research this week so I can help more with the article. Cheers! (how do you say "cheers" in Magyar?) K. Lastochka 15:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Change whatever you see fit with the archive and current discussion, I can't do that right now because I have a lot of stuff to do in the "real world" today. By the way, I won't be too upset if we don't get a huge influx of attention through AID, it was more a moral victory than anything else. Besides, I'd rather deal with a small, dedicated and knowledgable group of editors (Hmm, the Wikipedia Petőfi kor!) than a horde of lunatics. :) K. Lastochka 18:01, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks for the excellent barnstar! I am confident of our success. Ryanjo 16:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

1956 Hungarian Revolution

Istvan: I like your lead paragraph better than what we had before, but it would seem that Featured Articles typically have at least 2 or 3 paragraphs of a few sentences each (I looked at the past few FAs on the Wikipedia Main Page, and also some past historical FAs from Wikipedia:Featured articles). This was also a recommendation of the peer reviewer. So it might be prudent to pare down the old lead text more tightly, rather than eliminating it. Ryanjo 14:31, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

More excellent work on streamlining the Internal Political Changes section! Köszönöm! I feel slightly useless on the article lately, anything you suggest I focus my attention on? :) K. Lastochka 01:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: our new-and-improved 56 article

Very nice work! It's possible to have the template collapsed by default, but that has been reverted in the past. My personal suggestion would just be to replace it with {{portal|Cold War}}, as the portal provides the entire list of topics already.

As far as procedure, you have two options:

• Send the article to the A-Class review to get an A-Class rating from the project. This shouldn't be too tough, but will take an extra four days out of your schedule. Given that time is a major issue here, I wouldn't necessarily bother with it; there's nothing wrong with going to FAC as a B-Class, and many of our recent FAs have done just that. (The A-Class review is more useful if you're not planning on going directly to FAC, for whatever reason.)
• Send the article directly to FAC. The rating shouldn't be a factor against it, given that you've gone through the project's peer review.

Doing another peer review would probably be a waste of time at this point; I doubt the article needs any substantial changes, and minor formatting issues can be handled on FAC itself. Hope that helps! Kirill Lokshin 16:29, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

The highest three rating levels are all controlled by formal processes; whether you really want to bother with them depends on how much time you're willing to spare:

• GA-Class: article must pass through WP:GAC (no idea what the average time is here)
• A-Class: article must pass through WP:MHA (four days)
• FA-Class: article must pass through WP:FAC

Kirill Lokshin 19:16, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Szia Istvan, I don't really know what to do about those 56 photos from that site. They don't appear to be copyrighted, but I don't know what licensing tag to put on them when I upload! I don't want to get banned or anything for unintentional legal infringement--wouldn't THAT be an undignified end. K. Lastochka 19:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

File:Nuvola apps kfm home.png

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed with a tally of 91/1/4. I can't express how much it means to me to become an administrator. I'll work even more and harder to become useful for the community. If you need a helping hand, don't hesitate to contact me. NCurse work 15:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

56 article, wow!!

You've done amazing work on the 56 article, I thank you from the very bottom of my defiantly Hungarian heart. :) You are a real patriot!

Those images from hungary1956.com are a no go, btw. (Copyright issues are too fuzzy.) Otherwise I'm excited though, in just 2 weeks the bunch of us have taken an article that was a big pile of garbage and turned it into a clear, thorough, excellent piece of work! Do you think we need to do anything further, or should we submit it now for FAC? K. Lastochka 20:52, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Of course, I'll try to help you in that wonderful task. So I've contacted with some admins on IRC, and they've agreed with me about the tag: Template:CopyrightedFreeUseProvidedThat, with the exact source and an e-mail address. And we should send a new mail to the owner of that page to inform him about these images. I hope it helps. NCurse _work 06:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

First, please tell me where did you find that: "yet they state that these are made available for download to commemorate the 1956 anniversary." After that, I'll show you how to put the exact source into the template, and I'll made an example of how to upload it. NCurse _work 16:34, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Second, great! I've found a template which could be perfect for us in Commons. Template:Attribution, it says: "The copyright holder of this file allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that the copyright holder is properly attributed. Redistribution, derivative work, commercial use, and all other use is permitted.". That is! :) Please give me time, tonight I'll make the first example. NCurse _work 16:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, that's fantastic!! I'll upload some more to the commons right now! K. Lastochka 18:24, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Got some new pics up on the article. Sorry I axed the Konev pic btw, but I couldn't find where else to put the pic of the Hungarians fleeing the attack. Got a pic of the students on Stalin's boots too! There is another great picture I found, a portrait of a freedom fighter, just put it on the commons but I'm not sure if there is anywhere in the article to put it. K. Lastochka 18:51, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Hungarian revolution

The approach I would take is not use any strong words. So instead of (example) "hated police who committed many attrocities" I would say "police accused of committing human rights violations". I hope you understand where I'm going with that. Even if the hungarians felt strongly about the soviet government, I'm sure the soviets didnt feel the same way. Wikipedia is not here to take the hungarian side but just give a neutral point of view and let the reader decide which side he sides with. - Tutmosis 21:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok thanks. I'll go through the article later on tonight. - Tutmosis 21:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

what a mess

is it just me, or does the 56 article suddenly look not nearly as good as it did this morning?! Arrgh...I guess we're just having to be even pickier now that we're up for FA. It's an interesting issue raised by Tutmosis and others, about the article being too POV. I didn't think it was too POV--sometimes you have to call things what they were (a hated dictatorship, brutal crushing the revolution etc.) I am worried that the article will end up sounding too dry, detached and academic, and not convey even the slightest bit of the passion and fury that burned in the Hungarians that month in 56. What to do?! K. Lastochka 04:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I heartily agree--and I like your sentence about how it's not a species of tree frog. :) I'm off to go change my "support" to "strong support" and then rally the troops with a Kossuth-ish post on the Hungarian noticeboard (all right, more accurately a poor imitation of Kossuth...) K. Lastochka 04:45, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

It seems that Paul solved the whole thing. Anyway, I'll watch the FAC page and try to help. 4:2 now. :) NCurse _work 05:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

We'll see, what can be achieved :) Generally the Hungarian related articels are in bad shape, would need much more collaboration not just this one. But do not count much on the enthusiasm of the people, we have a lot problems and backlogs on huwiki as well... Serinde 16:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Answer to photo query is on my talk page: here.--Paul 20:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

The on-line PDF of the UN Report really does seem to be gone. We can still use those refs, but they all need to be edited to remove the url. Ugh!--Paul 00:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

As has been pointed out this was a false alarm due to a weird case of cache-itis. All is well in 268-page UN document-land.--Paul 11:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: 56

Wow, it's good to see how many support votes it has now :) Did you write to the copyright holder of the photos?

I had to remove the flower :( (see the "Signature" message on my talk page) I knew someone will ask me to remove it b/c NCurse had to remove his one too :(

– Alensha ^talk 22:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Szia Istvan, our situation on FAC seems to be improving! Any idea when the votes will be tallied and a decision reached? K. Lastochka 01:53, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Not necessarily. Consensus means no opposes. It isn’t a vote. Go back and look at Featured Article graduates over the past few months and see if you can find any with votes in opposition.--Paul 02:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

But those oppose votes are answered ones. Anyway I've replied on Matt's commons talk page. NCurse _work 08:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar, but I haven't done anything to get that. YOU deserve it as you do an enormous job on that article. The whole world will remember the revolution except that it will become a FA or not. Thank you in the name of all the communities in Hungary!

If needed, I really take all the responsibilities for the photos. I think the tag is proper regarding they statement about the Wikipedia. The article seems to be perfect for me with 126 references!! You and your co-editors (K. Lastochka) have made an absolutely great job! NCurse _work 10:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Did you see? :)) Oppose and comment votes are striked out... VICTORY! NCurse _work 18:14, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I left a message for Raul ([2]). Anyway you can request it here: Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests. Rock on! NCurse _work 18:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Beautiful job, barátaim! :)) Pezsgő is ready... I'd choose the one with the Times magazine. NCurse _work 21:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Couldn't find any pezsgő, would you settle for some fine Bikavér? :) Here's to 56! K. Lastochka 22:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Hungarian Revolution of 1956 response

I'm very sorry, I had no acess to the internet this past couple days and couldn't respond. Reading the article today I have a couple issues. First it needs a spellcheck and grammar check in some places. (ran article through spell check and a number (!) of things were found and fixed)-Paul 18:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Then some very strong statements still persist:

Opinion sentences

Should be reworded to sound more encyclopedic:

• "...working class Hungarians bore the brunt of the fighting." Now reads: "Hungarian civilians bore the brunt of the fighting." Reference is same as sentence that follows (UN General Assembly Special Committee on the Problem of Hungary (1957) Chapter V.B (The Second Soviet Military Intervention), para 200 (p. 62)) Ryanjo 22:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
• "The new Soviet troops shared no sympathy for the Hungarians; they were recruited from faraway Soviet Central Asia, and many did not speak European languages." (reworded to remove POV)-Paul 18:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
• The events in Hungary reinforced the inability of the Western alliance to roll back Soviet domination during the height of the Cold War, fearing retaliation by Warsaw Pact forces along their borders. Soviet action had clearly shown that, regardless of national ambitions of the Warsaw Pact client nations, armed force would be used to maintain regimes that reflected Soviet-style communism." I made changes in the "rollback" & "regardless of national ambitions" sentences, and provided a quote and reference. Ryanjo 20:01, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
• example of pov words: "The brutal suppression in Hungary by the Soviet forces" (Ryanjo has fixed this POV) -Paul 18:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
• "...Alexander Dubcek had learned his lesson"... (reworded to remove POV)-Paul 18:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Sources needed

• "Radical nationalisation of the economy under the Soviet model produced economic stagnation, lower standards of living and a deep malaise." (reference provided)-Paul 18:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
• "Communist Interior Minister László Rajk established the Hungarian State Security Police, later known as the ÁVH, which brutally suppressed political opposition, especially from religious, nationalist and democratic groups."
• "Religious education was denounced and church leaders were replaced by those loyal to the government."
• "Due to the strength of working class resistance, it was the industrial areas of Budapest which were primarily targeted by Soviet artillery and airstrikes." Sentence rewritten, referenced, see 1st "Opinion sentences" Ryanjo 22:52, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
• "Over 200,000 Hungarians fled Hungary, some 26,000 were put on trial by the Kádár government, and of those 13,000 were imprisoned."
• "...including Palmiro Togliatti and Giorgio Napolitano, regarded the Hungarian insurgents as counter-revolutionaries, as reported in l'Unità, the official PCI newspaper."
• "...but his dispatches were heavily censored;..." (reference provided)-Paul 18:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

There might be some I missed. Anyway, sorry again my response is so late. - Tutmosis 15:58, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

• This is an excellent list of items needing attention. I've already fixed a number of them (see above). Wouldn't it be better to have this list in a public place, for instance, the FAC page, the Hungarian Revolution Talk page, or the Hungarian Revolution peer reveiew page? That way we could keep track of the corrections and changes.--Paul 18:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates#History_of_Solidarity

I thought you may be interested in reviewing this FA candidate. Good job on the Hungarian Revolution!-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  16:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Development for FA nomination

THIS IS A DRAFT - Dont Put this up yet, but go ahead and edit as you wish

File:Hungarians inspecting a tank.jpg

The Hungarian Revolution of 1956 The Hungarian Revolution of 1956 (October 23 — November 10) was a spontaneous nationwide revolt against the authoritarian communist government of Hungary and Soviet occupation.

23 October 1956 marks the 50th anniversary of this, one of the bravest acts of the 20th century when a small country dared to overthrow its Communist government, disband its State Security Police, and expel the Soviet army. (More...)

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File:1956 Oct 23 Budapest Bem demonstration.jpg

The Hungarian Revolution of 1956 was a spontaneous nationwide revolt against the authoritarian communist government of Hungary and its Soviet imposed policies, lasting from October 23 until November 10 of 1956. It began as a student demonstration which attracted thousands as it marched through central Budapest. After demonstrators were fired upon by the State Security Police (ÁVH), disorder and violence erupted throughout the capital. The revolt spread quickly across Hungary, and the government fell. The new government formally disbanded the ÁVH, declared its intention to withdraw from the Warsaw Pact and pledged to re-establish free elections. On November 4, a large Soviet force invaded Budapest using artillery and air strikes, killing thousands of civilians. (More...)

23 October, 1956 marks the 50th anniversary of this, one of the bravest acts of the 20th century when a small country dared to overthrow its Communist government, disband its State Security Police, and expel the Soviet Army. Having this recently promoted FA on the front page on the day of the 50th anniversary is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.--Paul 20:01, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

File:Time Man of the year 1957Hunagarianfreedom fighter.jpg

TIME's "Man of the Year" for 1956 was the Hungarian Freedom Fighter

:The FA nomination for the Front Page normally uses either the lead paragraphs from an article, or a digest of same. I do not belive it is appropriate (or NPOV) to include the text about 50th anniversary and bravest acts. Although this is a once in a lifetime opportunity, and the many thousands who died and had their lives ruined deserve our recognition and gratitude; if it wasn't appropriate to include in the article, it isn't appropriate for the front page.--Paul 21:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• I made the [nomination I think is appropriate]. If any of you feel that something else should be featured (text or picture), please edit the nomination and provide an appropriate comment. Congratulations to the team for a lot of work, and the stellar results.--Paul 22:06, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Outstanding news! I think the photo and narrative are perfect. Since Istvan proposed the push for FA on 29 August, (by my count) over 800 edits by more than 60 contributors. A great effort, an excellent article and a tribute to the heroes of '56 Ryanjo 22:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

YES!!!!!

Victory!!!!!!! Figures, I was sitting in my seat at the opera when the decision must have happened--wasn't around to see it pop up on the screen. I don't care though, WE DID IT!!!!!!!! Eeeeek!!!!!! (that was a scream of delight.) :) K. Lastochka 22:14, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• I've got a single bottle of 1995 Royal Tokaji Wine Co. Tokaji Aszú Essencia. I think I'll open it next Monday evening. I can't think of a better time. I'll raise a toast to departed heros, and the living who remember.--Paul 22:55, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

And I'll cook a big, festive pot of goulash or paprikás csirke, not having any bottles of Tokaji just lying around. I too will raise a toast, albeit probably with a glass of cranberry juice, and maybe finish composing the Hungarian Rhapsody I've been putting off. Congratulations all around, and here's a toast to Hungary!! :) K. Lastochka 02:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations

Hey, I just wanted to say congralutions on Hungarian Revolution of 1956 receiving featured status. I'm very thankful that you actually cared about my comments and put out a very strong effort to satisfy my pov concerns. Anyway, good luck with what ever have planned next and hope you can get the article on the front page on the day of its anniversary. - Tutmosis 01:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm trying, trying, but it seems to be a harder job than the FAC... NCurse _work 12:51, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Harder, but evidently not impossible! The article seems to be destined for the front page on 2006-10-23! I noticed Raul's comment on his talk page, and then Istvan found it in the queue. Pretty cool!--Paul 04:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

szívesen!

you're welcome for the barnstar. Thank YOU for your compliments and appreciation! A lot of the time during this whole thing I've felt like I wasn't doing nearly enough, it's nice to know that my efforts were indeed valuable. :) I am so proud to have been part of this little "Petőfi kör"! I will be more than happy to help out with any other big Hungary-related projects (Sándor Petőfi for FA on March 15?!), but not for a few weeks--got work to do, studies and other real-life commitments piling up. :) Will still be around but not able to dive into anything huge for a little while. :) Of course it goes without saying that I will see 56 through to the very end--when we get on the main page next Monday! Hajrá Magyarország!!!!K. Lastochka 02:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

hahaha, wow, I just realized you gave me a "Szent István-király csillag" of my own. Köszönöm nagyon szépen!! (I really am learning bits of Hungarian here and there...)K. Lastochka 02:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

an idea

Szia Istvan, I've had this idea going through my head all day and wanted to run it by you. What do you think about sometime later, trying to repeat our (hopefully soon complete) 56-article success with the article on Sándor Petőfi for FA on March 15? :) K. Lastochka 20:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd be happy to write on Petőfi but I wouldnt expect quite as much interest/resonance as with 56 for several reasons, including because of its 50th anniversary this year. Istvan 05:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

1956

Thank you for the notification and congratulations! Did you see my suggestions at the bottom of the the talk page? Hopefully we can do some of that after the 23rd.
I don't know if any other Romanians contributed to the article on the Revolution, but in the spirit of reciprocity let me inform you that I have asked my compatriots to try and make an FA out of 1907 Romanian Peasants' Revolt in time for the centenary in March. If the Magyar side has material to add, we would greatly appreciate the help. Biruitorul 05:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks and congratulations - glad to help out, and more glad it will be there on the 23rd to honor their memory Ruhrfisch 11:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd be happy to lend a hand, and start with a suggestion right now - that is to put some English-language references into the bibliography. Let me know when you are underway and I will be happy to help out. Istvan 05:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Ahhhh...victory is sweet. More Tokaji anyone? :) K. Lastochka 14:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Cool! :) – Alensha ^talk 17:01, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats to all, and especially to Istvan, who started the push and guided the article to FA. Ryanjo 23:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Ryanjo, credit to you for working long ago when nobody else joined in and resurrecting the article from the mess it was months ago.Istvan 05:26, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

a magyarban nincs kedved besegíteni? még nem egészen kiemelt színvonalú... – Alensha ^talk 20:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Of course, I added it to my watchlist. Great job mates, great job! :) NCurse _work 07:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Audio clip

The clip I uploaded wasn't a RealPlayer file; it's an OGG file (search Google for "Media Player Classic" for a player I used to play it). I don't believe Real Player can play OGG files. Peter O. (Talk) 06:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

You can also play ogg files in your browser: [3] .

I don't know if you have included the Imre Nagy speech into the article, but if you haven't, I put the two ways that I know of for such inclusion.--Dami 12:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Dami, its now a jewel of the article. Istvan 21:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

'48 :)

Szia, I don't want to dive right into this one, but I just noticed that there is NO article on EnWiki about the revolution in Hungary of 1848!! Just a really bad article about "revolutions in Hapsburg areas". A project for later perhaps?! K. Lastochka 05:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

it'd be nice to make it ready by 2008, the 160th anniversary :) – Alensha ^talk 12:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

'56

Hi,

I don't know anything about this copyright stuff :( but the article is on the main page anyway, just not as a "featured article" but as a "holiday article", as a compromise :)) it's nice to see it on the enwiki mainpage too. (also check out our portal. :) – Alensha ^talk 12:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Hungarian Revolution of 1956

Hello Istvan, I still need evidence that there were indeed thousands of civilians killed by Soviets on purpose, and not thousands of violent combatants, who killed civilians and children some days before that. Because I HAVE read an article and have read lot of documents and haven't seen any evidence about massacre of Hungarian civilians. Give some facts that will prove your words or otherwise I will be forced to delete the information about thousands of killed civilians as a biased opinion of yours that do not correspond to Wikipedia's NPOV policy. mixer 21:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The Hungarian casualty figures are reported by the UN on page 68 (footnote 8 of chapter V) extrapolated from actual vs. predicted (normal) death rates, modified by age profile. The exact timing of their deaths (whether during the first or second stage of fighting) is not clear, we do know that roughly 70 Civilians died during the Parliament massacre and several ÁVH were lynched as well, but in truth, no official AND reliable figures are available - the UN reported the best info they could get. If you want to edit the statement to "perhaps thousands" then Im OK with that, but to drop it to "hundreds" is less accurate. Thanks for asking, BTW. Istvan 21:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

BTW, the statement was removed completely on Monday.--Paul 14:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Special moments of Hungary's 1956 uprising

Should be a candidate for deletion, I think.--Paul 14:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

just think of having to take *that* from its present state through AID to FAC and so on... Actually it tells some stories that Ive also heard (but couldnt find reference to) like the dishes - that was an ingenious means of keeping the russian tanks off the castle hill - someone noticed that their upsidedown dishes looked a lot like land mines, so they put them on roadways in strategic locations. Another one was "soaping" the street next to a sharp turn uphill, the tanks lost traction and couldnt proceed. There are lots of those stories. Too bad they arent referenced, they could have been useful. Istvan 15:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Why didn't you tell me it was up for deletion? I would have voted for keeping it... Was the info from this deleted article added to the revolution's article? – Alensha ^talk 22:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I didnt know it was actually put up for deletion either. I would have voted keep too, but to change the name to "anecdotes" of 56. Istvan 01:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

There was little there that could have been salavaged. None of it was sourced, and it was mostly non-encyclopedic. I can't think of a single item in the article that could have been put in the '56 Revolution article.--Paul 02:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Omega-3 fatty acid

Sorry for adding something that wasn't appropriate; I didn't read the article carefully enough before adding. Thanks for the correction! Volume1 05:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Flower :)

Hi! Thanks, but I don't think I'll use it – I change my signature quite often, and after using a fancy one it's nice to return to something simpler :) I think I'll soon change it in HuWiki too. – Alensha ^talk 14:43, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Survey Q

Have you ever been to the southern hemisphere, click here to reply.AstroBoy 01:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC) Deadline for entries is December 15th

Signature Test

this is a test to see if I can get the diacritical mark into my signature as it appears István 18:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC) Eureaka! it worked... but is it a good idea? We'll see.....

I like it! :) K. Lástocska 05:57, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Bibó

I've been away for the whole weekend, sorry for the late reply. Please take a lool at here. BTW I removed the copyvio tag. NCurse _work 19:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

De utálom az ilyet, amikor egy admin figyelmetlen. Anyway, I asked him to restore the page regarding those discussions. It must be restored soon. NCurse _work 08:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I just noticed the sudden deletion, so I put it up on Deletion Review. Hope we can get it back. K. Lastochka 19:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Anyway, the deleter's answer is here. NCurse _work 20:29, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

The best way... Please let me know when you're ready. Good work! NCurse _work 20:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Szia István, the Bibó proclamation is still up on Wikisource, seems to have no problems there. If it stays deleted from Wikipedia (and I have to admit the people endorsing deletion have made one or two valid points) we could just link straight to the Wikisource page. K. Lástocska 18:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Puskás

Szia István, I'm very glad you took the Puskás öcsi userbox. It was the least I could do to remember the poor guy. What a footballer! I'm so sad he died, but I know he was suffering a long time from Alzheimer's, so our one consolation is that now he's at peace. Viszontlátásra Ferenc, és köszönöm!!! :( K. Lastochka 15:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Renaming pages

Hi, I saw your question at the Hungary noticeboard about renaming pages; everyone can do that by clicking on the "Move" tab (next to the "History" tab) and typing the new name. The only case when it doesn't work is when there's already an article (with a history; not just a simple redirect) with that name, then you have to ask an admin to put the two page histories together. – Alensha ^talk 20:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

independence, foundation...

I've tried for a diplomatic solution to the controversy on the Hungary infobox. :) Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with your statements on the talk page (and I can think clearly today--I don't know what on earth was wrong with me yesterday, but I was a complete mess!) but as has already been shown, changing the infobox to only say the 896, 1000 AD dates will only result in a revert and charges of vandalism. Croatia has a similar section to the one I posted. What do you think? K. Lástocska 21:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Kösz! I felt a little ridiculous for my mildly incoherent posts yesterday, but I'm glad I figured something out that worked. :) I must say I always appreciate your input, you are one of the most level-headed and intelligent wikipedians I have seen here so far. :) That said, I think I'll hunker down for a while and stay away from any articles that might spark a nationalistic debate...I'm not sure I'm always cut out to be a diplomat! Cheers, and have a good day! (or night, whatever time it is where you are.) K. Lástocska 21:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you so much. I did want to tell you but it seems some people don't really like that. However, next time I will let you know. Biruitorul 22:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

My RfC

Kudos for your comment. It's nice to see I am not alone in my POV-take on that issue.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  21:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

In case you are not watching my RfC, you may want to see Responce by Ghirla to István endorsment of Biruitorul.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  16:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

This message is what the RFC is about. Piotrus, please look at your contributions and estimate how much of them are "requests for input", "Ghirlandajo said... so I search for your opinion", "I know that you have had conflicts with Ghirla, so please comments on his latest outburst...", "thanks for reporting on Ghirla's actions", etc, etc. I don't how others feel in such situations, but I regards such actions as objectionable and incivil. How many Russian editors did you ask to comment? I suspect that zero. Can you name a single instance when I acted this way? --Ghirla ^-трёп- 17:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

alcohol

thank you for that info on cetyl alcohol, I have been wondering about it forever! Rachel Ayres 01:05, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

XMAS gift

Lots of good intentions flying around, but not much in the way of useful stuff. Here is a nice template I found to organize your ever-growing collections of awards :) -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  14:41, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Salad'o'meter™
	put barnstars here (no thumb or direction)
	n00b	involved	been around	veteran	seen it all	older than the Cabal itself

Boldog Karácsonyt to you too!

...you Magyar-cabalist with the inimitable sense of humor. ;-) You're good at cheering me up.  :-) Hope you're having a good vacation, my best wishes to you! K. Lástocska 22:08, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

wikiproject hungarian culture

Szia István,

somebody on the notice board has proposed a WikiProject Hungarian Culture to clean up the lamentably poor quality of most of those articles. I'm in, how about you? :)

P.S. I notice your userpage now says that by the time Wiki is the brain of the world, you hope to have a nicer userpage--talk to Piotrus, he's an expert at userpage design. He's been trying to help me fix mine but I think I'm a lost cause. :) K. Lástocska 15:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Im happy to help, what would help is defining what is most deficient, perhaps choosing a benchmark - i.e. who is doing a very good job at "constructing" a cultural presence (perhaps Poland?) making a very do-able list of specific articles to bring up to speed (not necessarily the most deficient ones, but also those on the verge of being FA), defining "success" (not necessarily FA or GA) etc. Id better shut up about it before someone makes me team capitain. BTW, I would propose that Puskás Ferenc be brought up to FA and featured on the 1st anniversary of his death, or on 2 April, the day he would have turned 80. Its in fairly good shape now, certainly better than 56 was when we started on it. István 16:52, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Yes, I am a musician, I've done a bit of work on Bartók and Liszt but there's much to be done of course. (There was a really funny edit war on Liszt last week, some idiots were arguing over whether any recordings of his own playing existed! I wish!) I've also got some plans of my own--I'm starting to do some small-scale HuWiki-EnWiki translations, right now I'm mainly bringing over short articles on obscure violinists. :-) I'm also working on a major revamp of the article about Szigeti József (my favorite violinist, bar none) but it's sitting half-finished in my word processor.

I definitely want to see Puskás Ferenc as FA. I'm still so damn depressed that he died--it was the perfect rotten end to what was one great big sh*t of a year in Hungary --first the Danube floods BP, then even more political idiocy than usual, then the Slovaks start being mean, then a revolution breaks out and THEN on top of that it gets hijacked by rioting right-wing retards, and then, just adding insult to injury, we lose Puskás Öcsi. On the other hand, I guess things can only improve from here...but now I'm rambling. April 2 is the best date to aim for main page IMHO. K. Lástocska 20:21, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, at the very least its a focal point, and a worthy goal. Apropos of which, his first (team 3rd) goal in the fameous 6:3 win over England was shown over and over on Hungarian TV (that would be a great little clip if we could get it non-copyvio). He was a legend for sure... I ran into him once - summer of 1995 at a buffet line at a somethingorother reception in the Opera house, unbeknownst to me I was standing right behind him but I was too busy eating (he too - he liked his food) to bother him (Im really happier I didnt - he never sought fame and therefore deserved not to be bothered - and I remember the food *was* good). So he turns 80 in April - we should put him up for sure. Cant say whether or not we will get 2 April (we were very lucky to get 56 up on 23 Oct) I think to do this we should have it FA by the end of Feb so it has about a month or so in the queue with 2 April requested. István 20:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow, that's amazing! :-) I'm glad you had the dignity to not bother him--I probably would have shrieked, dropped my plate and run up to him babbling nonsense in my fractured Hungarian, probably covered in paprikás from the plate I had dropped. I take it he had a pretty good sense of humor so I might not have offended him, but still--that's the kind of stuff my nightmares are made of. ;-) BTW, the more we can get done in Jan. the better, I'm going to be flying all over the country from audition to audition all February. (Ugh!) K. Lástocska 22:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Szia again, I just thought of another project we should definitely keep in mind--the 1848 revolution!! Right now all we have is a really bad article about the revolutions "in the Hapsburg areas". I think the Hungarian war for independence was a significant enough event that it deserves its own article? I know we've got plenty to do already, but just something we should keep in mind for the future IMHO. K. Lástocska 21:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Recognition

István!!! Look!! We're famous! (anonymous, but famous nonetheless!) [4]K. Lásztocska 23:07, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Dunno, I was just surfing around the English-language magyar blogosphere (it's the only way I can keep informed about what's happening in the old country!) and came across it. It is nice knowing our hard work was recognized, isn't it? :) K. Lásztocska 04:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks like we're the new darlings of the Pestcentric blog, we made the front page! :) [5] PS I just noticed the new pic on your subpage--I didn't know you were a dad! Congratulations, the kid is adorable! :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by K. Lastochka (talk • contribs) 01:33, 9 January 2007 (UTC).

The Curse has me

...all the stuff about the Curse of Turan is starting to creep me out, not to mention depress me. Do you suppose that such a curse could really exist?? :(

Anyway, my main point is, real life is steadily creeping up on me and I need to take a long wikibreak. I'm not disappearing 100%, but will be around only sporadically for a month or so. If there is anything I can do for the Puskás article just leave me a message on my talk page--I really want to help, but I'm waiting on a book about him that seems to have evaporated from everywhere in the country. Good luck with that, the Curse and all else. And really, here's to hoping the curse is actually broken....K. Lásztocska 16:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

The curse exists only when people halfway believe in it, much as Santa Claus exists for 3-year olds. Europe's highest rates of divorce, suicide, some cancers, heart disease and a twisted love of pessimism are painfully real. István 03:51, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

You're right. It hurts to be Hungarian, and what's worse is just helplessly watching the troubles from "exile".....I'm feeling pretty gloomy today anyway, so might as well ask: have we magyars got any redeeming qualities?! K. Lásztocska 21:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, along those lines, here's an interesting article: [6] Seems a little sketchy in places but worth a read anyway, the main points are valid and interesting. It helped me get my head back on straight (or as straight as it ever is) at least.... :) K. Lásztocska 21:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

our redeeming qualities

...yeah, I'm doing a great job at this whole wikibreak thing...

Thanks very much for your message. I was in a spectacularly bad mood when I posted that "do we even have redeeming qualities" bit, also surprisingly unnerved by the Curse of Turan article. (I could have sworn I was one of the least superstitious people I know, but apparently not...) I do know all that, about our Nobel laureates, smart people, GREAT music, delicious food etc. (My perspective on the women issue is probably not entirely helpful, and I actually don't know many Hungarian men, but then again Hungary is the country of Franz Liszt... :) I know all that, and I am very proud to be a part of it in my own little külföldi way. But sometimes, when I get in rotten moods, I forget it all, so thank you very much for helping me remember. :) K. Lásztocska 02:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

re: Hungarian men, I had to stop before writing "Liszt?...do women find him romantic?" to slap my forehead (hard) {;-) Happy to help. If you are feeling this way, best to stay away from the curse for awhile. Long ago (dont ask) I had to read Draussen vor der Tür (Borchert) in college - the most depressing book ever; it sent me from the normal so-so state (the one we spend 85% of life in) to the dumps for a month. And there are some Hungarian cultural gems which put even this in the shade but we'd best not go there right now. Cheer up, madárka! (and take that break) István 04:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I know what you mean about depressing books--"The Brothers Karamazov" flung me into the existential black hole of doom after the first time I read it...granted, I was thirteen, so probably not entirely equipped to handle a dark, brooding Russian masterpiece. :)

And just what is wrong with Liszt? :) He's the epitome of the 19th-century Romantic ideal, the Artist as Hero, the poetic Genius! (not too bad-looking in his youth either...) In all seriousness though, he's a fascinating character and an often-misunderstood and underestimated figure in the history of music--it isn't an exaggeration to say that all musicians owe a great debt to him. When I get back, that's the first article I want to set my sights on for FAC. :)

So speaking of "when I get back," this really is my last post for a while--I really need to knuckle down and get to some serious work. I would just like to take this opportunity to say that if someone asked me who is my most trusted and respected colleague here on the Wiki, I would not hesitate to say: it is István. :) You've always been very nice to me ever since I first bumped into you on the AID, as well as being a generally intelligent, knowledgeable and diplomatic Wikipedian, and I really appreciate that. I've been pretty lucky in finding a good group of people here (other notables Alensha, Biruitorul and NCurse) and I look forward to our future endeavors. :)

So long for now, K. Lásztocska 01:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

You make-a me blush...since you are leaving for awhile let me say good luck on your auditions and studies! (or should that rather be "break a leg") (or kalap szar!) re: - depressing works - if Dostoyevszki had made a movie, he would have made Woody Allen's Match Point. Dark and beautiful. Be sure to avoid it. Yes, I am a dad now. My subpage rats me out. My pride overcame my reluctance to post personal information one night. Im very proud too. She's five months old and an adorable genius who has no choice but to learn Piano, ballet and swimming (all else is elective). You know, what your deal is? You are here on the wikipedia, have found that you like it, that you're pretty good at it, yet while you know you have to be a brain (and can do that just fine) but you want to be a heart too. That doesnt always fly with everyone, but you will find your niche among those that understand balance is, and that sometimes a sense of humour and perspective is the only thing that can diffuse the inevitable intractable conflicts that arise here. And besides - brain fixed 56. Heart got it up on its 50th anniversary. (we rock!) There is a balance. Take a wikibreak and for petes sake dont let this cut into your academic time because when you're out you will likely have lots of discretionary time (as I do not) in your 20s to do stuff like this, waaaaay before the publication deadline. István 04:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Aww, now you make me blush. And don't worry, I'm not actually back yet, just dropped in for a few quick edits in a rare moment of spare time. :) Give your adorable daughter a hug from me! I'm sure she will be a fantastic pianist--Hungarians just can't help being musicians. (And national traditions better not fail me tomorrow...) Over and out. K. Lásztocska 01:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Roger that, and knock 'em dead..............................................with feeling. ;-) István 03:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, so how did it go? You opening Carnegie hall this season? My daughter and I sit and bang on the keys together - her style is still more Bartók than Liszt....but she likes it, I can tell. thanks for the kind wishes and good luck on the rest of the auditions. István 06:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Great edit summary

You used here - thanks, I needed to see something intelligent, witty and somewhat pointed. I've been seeing too much muddy thinking lately. You brightened my day. KillerChihuahua^?!? 06:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I should reply "Great talk page template" - I just nicked it. One perk of having experienced visitors. Thanks! István 06:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

King of Oils

Uhh, how sweet. This figure resembles to: Oleum effusum est nomen tuum – says the bride to the bridegroom in the Bible, Book of Solomon (Song of Songs): thy name is as ointment poured forth. :o) King of Oils, Oil of Kings: Oleum rēgum, rēx oleōrum (with proper diacritics), wonderful play on words, sounds beautifully, hm? V79benno 16:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Eicosanoid Peer Review

I've asked for Peer review of Eicosanoid. Since you've helped with some of the associated pages, I'd like your input.David.Throop 23:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

You ask

Are you looking to take it to FA?

Yes, I'd like to – although I'm not sure how much work I'm biting off to do that. Before I put it up for FA, I'd really like to get reworked versions of the two illustrations in the Funk article. Funk has given me permission, but warns that Science holds the copyright. I'd like to find someone who's handy with svg to redo them, adding a little more content along the way.

As for your comment about the real world being a WIP - yeah. I was working on a section on how paracetemol inhibits COX-3 in the brain. But then last week I read a note in Andrew Sullivans blog that leads me to an article that shows that the COX-3 theory has been superceeded; the way paracetamol really works is by combining with arachadonic acid to make a cannabinoid.

One other issue I need to resolve before going for FA is on the definition of Eicosanoid. Almost all the review articles limit the term to the prostanoids and the leukotrienes. But when I read articles on lipoxens, EETs etc they all claim that these other products are eicosanoids, too. I'd like to have a section on 'Novel eicosanoids' or something. But that would be coining a phrase and thus be original research.

The endocannabinoids are even a stranger classification conundrum.David.Throop 13:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Ethnic violence in Vojvodina

Now, let see: if you want to write about ethnic violence in Vojvodina, you should start with the years 1703-1711 when Hungarian rebels commited genocide against Serb civilians in Vojvodina, then to continue with 1848-1849 when Hungarian rebels commited another genocide against Serbs civilians in Vojvodina, then to continue with 1867-1918 when Hungarian ultra-nationalists attacked Serb civilians and beated them only for speaking Serbian in public, then to continue with 1941-1944 when Hungarian fascists commited genocide against Serb, Jewish and Roma civilians, and only after all this we can come to modern events. PANONIAN (talk) 19:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

The above, properly referenced, may fit into the History of Vojvodina article. The events of the 21st century are by any standard, current and thus belong in Vojvodina. BTW the references are not just Serb-Hungarian violence but events involving many different ethnicities as documented by both Human Rights Watch and the European Parliament. They are notable not just for the violence but even moreso for the conspicuous lack of police and official response to it, even full denial of the problem. This, as Europe has learned time and again, always leads to bigger problems. You may not believe it, Panonian but I do not dislike Serbs - I like Serbs I have Serb friends and even a few Serb relatives - I find it sad the almost pariah condition the events of 1990s have led to quite good and innocent Serbs in UK and USA virtually always self-identifying as "Yugoslavians". I object when properly referenced edits made in good faith[7] and rightfully upheld by disinterested editors [8] are dismissed as nationalist POV when a careful reading of the references themselves reveal that the reverted text is quite a genteel and muted description of harsh reality. I took your specific objections under consideration[9], specifically the criminal code against hate crimes (which HRW calls unenforced), allegations of nationalist bias, and took your advise "If you want to have real story about those events, then please read the official report of European investigators" and found the corresponding resolution passed by the European Parliament. Its fair play.

However, I am still sensitive to your concern about "polluting" a page with dirty laundry (after all, the Ronald Reagan page doesnt have a picture of colon polyps) and that nobody in Europe is whiter than snow (but at least most of us are off to a good start in this millenium). But what is happening in Serb Vojvodina is a real problem with the police and certainly belongs in the wikipedia to inform those who want to know more about Vojvodina. Having "repaired" the text as per your objections, and having reverted twice I will certainly step aside for now and let the community decide on the proper treatment of this issue. István 20:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

There is only one solution for this problem: all ethnic violence, historical and modern should be moved to Ethnic groups of Vojvodina article. This is minimum of compromise that I ask for and if you still want to push your POV here be ready for long term high scale revert war (I will notify other users from Serbian Wikipedia about problems that I have here with you). Have a nice day... PANONIAN (talk) 22:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

O yes, we can also create new article named Ethnic violence in Vojvodina and move all this shit there. Which of the two options you prefer? PANONIAN (talk) 22:33, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Specifically, what is POV in the passage I added? Ive taken references from two reputable and independent organisations: Human Rights Watch and the European Parliament and summarised them accurately. I'm now copying this to Talk:Vojvodina as it has become important for that page. See more there. István 23:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Aww, István, my gallant huszár fearlessly galloping onto the front lines of the Vajdaság War to defend me (the damsel in distress, as usual.) :-) Honestly don't know what possessed me to use my little bit of spare time to make an edit to anything about Vojvodina, knowing full well I'd only incite the wrath of the self-proclaimed king of Serbia. Thanks for your help though! :)K. Lásztocska 04:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Revert

I've finished all of my exams, thanks. To be Dr. NCurse? :) I still need 2 years.

I think this kind of problem must be a temporary malfunction. Your log is clean, nobody did anything "bad" to you. We should wait and check it tomorrow again. If still doesn't work, let me know. NCurse _work 20:29, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for talk page tip

Hey, thanks for the tip on talk page editing, and the encouraging words. Good to know.