Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 May 1

There are now multiple reliable sources referencing this airline, and I think it would be beneficial to reinstate it. ThumperOP (talk) 08:48, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've done a quick google and of the results I've seen, I don't think any would count as non-trivial coverage in a reliable independent, secondary source. Since you apparently had more luck than I did, can you point me to the best three sources which satisfy that standard (Non-trivial, independent, secondary and reliable)? -- 81.100.164.154 (talk) 10:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not totally sure what you mean by non-trivial, but I'm fairly sure most of these pass the other criteria you listed:

Official tourism websites: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]
Companies working with Air Milford: [8], [9]
News stories/interviews: [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25]
Books: [26], [27], [28], [29], [30]
Other reliable sources (reviews, info, etc.): [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36]

These are the sources I found from the Google Search, News and Books query ""Air Milford"". I am confident at least half of these sources are irrelevant to the actual writing of the article, but the original reason for its deletion was "(absence of) significant coverage in multiple reliable sources." Just from scouring Google I could find these and I'm sure someone with more experience could find more.

An important clarification is that I'm not from NZ, so I can't comment on the reliability of NZ newspapers/magazines. I don't know how reliable Stuff.co.nz is, but it gives me news.com.au vibes, which is a Murdoch owned content farm. Also on the books, there are newer versions of some of them, but they didn't provide Google Books previews so I can't be sure if Air Milford is mentioned. My main point is that there is probably a few sources in this list you can base a minimum start class article on, unlike what the deletion request says.

I'm gonna apologise in advance if there's something I've missed or misunderstood. I've been lurking for years on Wikipedia on various different accounts, but I only recently started editing so there's a lot of things I don't understand. I would write this article myself if I could, but I don't really have the confidence to yet. ThumperOP (talk) 12:22, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reopening this now I have added sources. I was writing the above reply when the request was closed (User:Sandstein). ThumperOP (talk) 12:33, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I asked for the best 3 you had meeting the basic criteria of non-trivial, independent, secondary, reliable sources to narrow it down. I don't really think it's helpful for me to get into sifting through, saying this source is bad, then you revealing another one etc. It really helps to focus if you would help if you can pick out your best ones.

The discussion pointed to NCORP, this is WP:NCORP, then sections on that page WP:SIRS helps to further defined the terms I've used. So I've said non-trivial, the wording there is "significant", which doesn't mean the source has to be solely about this, but it has to be more than passing mentions, or as one of a list of providers (say). -- 81.100.164.154 (talk) 17:12, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If I take the 2nd and third item from the tourism sites list. I'd argue that they are both trivial coverage, they don't really tell me much if anything about the company. The third which states stuff like "Or choose from our fun, friendly and exclusive Queenstown Scenic Flight tours" would indicate to me a lack of independence. The independent and non-trivial part tend to be things which articles like this suffer from it your aren't careful, many such companies are going to show up in "directory" type listings for tourist, that doesn't make them notable. Likewise they are likely to be in partnership with out tourism companies, so won't be independent. --81.100.164.154 (talk) 17:30, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sabrina Dhowre

There are multiple reliable sources for Dhowre. In fact, I was in the middle of editing this page, improving and adding to it, when @User:JBW re-deleted it, citing the above noted discussion. Here are some of the sources for Dhowre:

United Nations/IFAD: here, here and here (written by Dhowre)
news services: Reuters
well-known magazines/publications: Time Magazine, The Independent, NBC News, Vulture, Newsweek, USA Today, The Guardian, BBC News, British Vogue, Newsweek, CBS News, Some mentions in New York Times articles
Entertainment media: Ebony Magazine, Glamour magazine (possibly), People magazine, Cosmopolitan, Dujour magazine, Entertainment Tonight, GQ, Page Six, Billboard
other media/sources: Oprah Daily, CNBC, World Economic Forum, Huff Post, Vogue (france), Global Citizen, The Arts Guild, South China Morning Post (maybe) The Times, Multiple articles in Essence magazine, Bloomberg, The Way We Wed: A Global History of Wedding Fashion (a book)

I am fine with completely reconstructing the page from scratch, but I can only do that if I am sure that it won't be deleted the same day I work on it, ensuring my work goes down the drain. I would see if I could find more, but to even find these, my web browser crashed, and I almost lost ALL of the above, so I'm not going to try again, so I don't really want to try and search for more. I thought I'd at least give this a try and am only marginally hopeful this will be successful, as I've had bad experiences with AfDs before. And no, I am NOT related to ANY of the people that created this page before, I just saw it was re-created today, edited it, and then lo and behold, it was deleted again. I would think (and hope) that @User:QalasQalas and @User:Turktimex3 created these pages in good faith, as an aside. Anyway, I hope to have this matter resolved soon.Historyday01 (talk) 20:01, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]